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Technology for Toddlers?
July 31st 2004, 06:53 CEST by Jibble Kids learn a lot through manipulation of our three-dimensional world. If you've ever sat down for a four-hour session of repetitive video gaming, you know what I'm getting at here. Are kids really learning anything from all of those kid-oriented web sites, or are they just learning how to jump through the right hoop and then doing it over and over without additional challenge? Do you think that the family discussed in the article is a typical example, or an exception to the norm? |
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I hate when no votes pushes a topic through. FIRST POST BITCHES Each hilarious punch line is received with a few hollow chuckles.
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Pretend I used proper grammar on the first sentence. Each hilarious punch line is received with a few hollow chuckles.
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I think kids suck. Dood.
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Let's see if we can use this thread to find the most unsuitable technology for toddlers possible. |
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Anything with a slot, generally... |
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The Food Eraser. Religion supports nobody. It has to be supported. It produces no wheat, no corn; it ploughs no land; it fells no forests. It is a perpetual mendicant. It lives on the labors of others, and then has the arrogance to pretend that it supports the giver. --- Ingersoll
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To quote an article on teenage mothers in my newspaper today: "In our parenting discussion group, some people were really proud when their kid could use a playstation at the age of four, but I think it seriously hinders their development." And I agree. People are too quick to shove their kids behind a pc or console to keep them quiet, using the same reason as with tv in the eighties, but which is now found to be nonsense: it's educational. The truth is kids learn about as much from playing Mario as they do from watching Pokemon, which is to say: nothing useful. If they're drawn into a game or TV show, their lust to discover stuff will degrade. This discovery madness is the prime thing that makes kids learn stuff. And knowing the names of all the Autobots AND the Decepticons, or being able to play through Super Mario World in one sitting aren't abilities that are incredibly useful in any way. |
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Regardless of the hordes of kids that defend playing Counter-Strike 8 hours a day but failing in school with: "But... but! You can make lots of money by winning tournaments! But you have to be really good, so I should play CS even more and don't go to school at all!" |
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Hey, look what it's done for me! /me goes back to mopping up the booth |
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Well, I'm logging off for a full month - going to visit the mountains and then the seaside. Don't throw too many donkey punches while I'm gone. "Warez non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem"
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My daughter plays on the computer, or sits on my lap while I play Spider-Man on the xbox for maybe 3-4 hours a week. She just isn't that interested, she'd rather be running around outside or reading. Owner of the Planetcrap FFL team, the Utah Teen Brides.
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Have a nice time zugly. Take some pics to show for when you come back. |
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"Young bloods can't spell but they could rock you in PlayStation You wanna know how to rhyme you better learn how to add It's mathematics" A lil' wisdom from 'da streets courtesy Mos Def Cold hearted orb that rules the night
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Heh. Guess it serves me right to think this would be a worthwhile topic. Is the "educational" value of puzzle games vastly overrated? I think it depends on the title, but I also think kids will learn more from reading a book or solving a rubiks cube than they would playing Mario and trying to figure out the secret behind killing the bad guy at the end of level 6. Myself, I plan to let my kids know what a computer is, but not to let them use it until they're old enough to handle goatse.cx. In other words, my children will never touch a computer. убийство!
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Also, I think that videogames can actually prepare children for the mindless treadmill that is the real world beyond school. убийство!
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You're pregnant? Dood.
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The earliest I got on a computer (with windows) I was eight. I learned alot by having to do things for myself (parents mostly gone) so early on I was trying to download game demos and unzip files, etc. Dealing with things directly and doing some problem solving is always helpful - however, that carried over to other aspects of my life and only in retrospect do I realize how I tried to deal with everything as having a mechanical solution. I definately learned alot more than sitting around on those old Apple GII's or whatever the hell, with the green monitors and the massive floppy disk games. That was retarded, and I remember doing it at least one full day a week in elementary school as an entire class in the 'computer lab'. I think it's cool that kids can learn to manipulate things in a '3d world' and all that jazz, but I have a really hard time thinking that same kid wouldn't benefit just as much and have alot more fun making a mess with some clay or paint. Cold hearted orb that rules the night
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Actually they'd benefit more because everything wouldn't be so black and white and broken down to simple variables. Mike Tysons Punch-Out is not a guide to life, no matter how many times you've beaten it. Cold hearted orb that rules the night
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#17 ProStyle I think it's cool that kids can learn to manipulate things in a '3d world' and all that jazz, but I have a really hard time thinking that same kid wouldn't benefit just as much and have alot more fun making a mess with some clay or paint. To clarify, the "3d world" that I was talking about in the topic is the real world. Kids learn basic skills through manipulating things like clay and paintbrushes. I also remember those lame-ass computer lab days in grade school. I used to play ASCII Oregon Trail. Boy did I ever learn how to kill the letter "o" with the letter "i". убийство!
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I think I may have even killed a "y" or OH GOD IT'S FLOODING BACK URGE TO KILL LETTERS RISING убийство!
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Hugin (#12): Have a nice time zugly. I'm glad zimbardo doesn't start with an f. |
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my kid was using a computer to draw in paintshop when she turned 1 years old. once or twice a month, she might do an all day session of gaming, tops, and she's just finished second grade reading at a 6th grade level, who plays outside with her friends and spells better than I do. I'm not worried. When LP says he's bringing Armageddon, he brings fucking Armageddon. - Caryn, 6/01/2004
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I started on computers when I was around 6, and I'm 21 now. I navigated around DOS like a pro, and learning how to use a command-line OS at that young of an age helped me learn a lot of skills that I can't see a GUI teaching. "The Square who is not Cool with the double dipping pecker!"
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I think you're focusing too much on literal physical world skills. Did killing o with i teach you anything about the real world? No, but it certainly eliminated your fear of computers, taught you that there can be other "realities" not impacting our own, such as computer games, taught you to interface with computers, use a keyboard, load programs, etc. I owe my parents a huge debt for getting me a C64 when I was about 8. Due to that I became very familiar with computers and am where I am today. Balance is the key. Alarmist luddite "COMPUTERS TEACH YOU NOTHING!!!!" is idiotic. I'm getting my progeny on computers/game-boys/PDA's as soon as they're able. To not do so puts them at a competitive disadvantage. I have walked my way since the beginning of time. Sometimes I give, sometimes I take, it is mine to know which and when!
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I'm getting my progeny on computers/game-boys/PDA's as soon as they're able. You HEATHEN! |
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well.. i dunno. games might be a good way to teach kids lessons. Take the hitmain games for instance. since placing them, i know how to kill someone with a piece of string, dispose of their body, and take their clothes, so i can infiltrate the base of the evil sheep smugglers. I mostly learned how to use computers by doing things myself. im sure my dad is fed up buying new computers when they stop working for no reason. BTW: did anyone vote for the "longest word" topic?? anybody? one person?? Computer Games are a way to escape the wives of modern society
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and i also drew my first stick man dying in paintshop Computer Games are a way to escape the wives of modern society
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That's fascinating, brokenshiftkey, but where did you place them? I have walked my way since the beginning of time. Sometimes I give, sometimes I take, it is mine to know which and when!
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oh i placed them in the convinient open manhole cover located nearby, so i wouldn't be detected by the russian guards with their ak 47s and racoon hats! The worst thing about being a man - Women and Chilren First
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My son got a Imac for his birthday. Me and his father use PC's. Logic for an Imac? Simple, the interface is rather easy to navigate but definatly dangerous to mess with. This imac has os 10.1 on it and is holding that by will of god alone. It is a original imac 266mhz with 64megs of ram. It can do basic internet and chess. My son started the chess himself, and has gotten to the point he can go about 10 moves before forgetting what he was doing. He visits pbskids and noggin, and already played them to death. His favorite part right now is the videos on noggin about the storys. He tells them with the narrator , thus improving his speach. He is capable of solving puzzles(jigzone.com) at 25 peices. He does get a tad too involved in it, and we reconize that from our own inability to pull away from the computers ourselves. He renamed it ISSC(his name is isaac) and we cannot convince him to spell his name correctly(no its issc!). The computer is "his" and he looses privilages to it if he refuses to do normal things(eating, sleeping, thinking). We also have computer off time(quite alot) and the history channel goes on for background noise(he generally doesn't watch it). We did find that because we used music to keep him calm as a small child, he must have some kind of noise on. Music/talking/me and his father playing a game- any of that is enough to allow him to feel comfortable. I regret that now. Just got a game boy, he gets that soon(need games). I know he is introverted and generally more nerdy than most kids. I will allow him some technical escapes. Someone get the chlorine, We have food fuckers amongst us! THE POOL WILL BE CLEANED!
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A computer will transform a child into a mindless monster. Our only hope is to destroy all technology. |
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Your child is [http://www.doomedthemovie.com]DOOMED![/url] |
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/urk! DOOMED! |
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I don't know if he is Doomed. We have raised him to be an adult. Not a child that is over 18. Take that as you will. Someone get the chlorine, We have food fuckers amongst us! THE POOL WILL BE CLEANED!
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Oh Rizzie, if I can call you that, I was just Razzing ya. Fo Shizzle. |
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I still Doomed! is the Duke Nukem Forever of Indie Films! That's a beautiful way to go. Shot by Yot. In more ways than one. -mgns
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In Disney's planned community of Celebration, they threw TONS of cash at educational technology for its school system. It failed miserably, and they went back to having teachers be proper teachers and computers be supplementary tools for research and aid. Pick me! Pick me!
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How is Celebration doing? I read a book about it about 6 months after it opened and it was fascinating. Owner of the Planetcrap FFL team, the Utah Teen Brides.
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The US School system should show you that more money does not equal better education. Laura Ingalls Wilder went to a school and didn't get a dime from the federal government and look at her! She grew up to marry a guy named Almanzo! Almanzo! |
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Celebration is doing fine now, with a waiting list a mile long to live there. I think a nice planned community, where you have a good idea about what/who your neighbors and whole community are is a neat idea. I'm not sure I'd want to live in Celebration, because I imagine its mostly filled with right wingers and people who make more money in an hour than I'll ever see in my lifetime. Pick me! Pick me!
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Jeet - Bought the T7700's, just put them in. Too bad it's 12:30 so I can't really test them out but they sound good. It does make a difference, especially in Painkiller. I'm looking forward to trying out different games and hearing them for the first time. I have walked my way since the beginning of time. Sometimes I give, sometimes I take, it is mine to know which and when!
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Excellent, MCorleone! I hope you have as good of an experience with them as I have. Thief 3 was a TOTALLY new game after I got the new sound card and 7.1 speakers. Pick me! Pick me!
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#40 UncleJeet I'm not sure I'd want to live in Celebration, because I imagine its mostly filled with right wingers and people who make more money in an hour than I'll ever see in my lifetime. That reminds me of this great line Christopher Lloyd delivers in the pilot episode of The Tick: Arthur, my time is worth seventeen dollars a second. I want an explanation, and I want it to cost less than fifteen hundred dollars! Go! |
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7.1? Wow... Let me ask you this, do they have a speaker that'll fit anywhere? |
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Bend over and I'll show you. Pick me! Pick me!
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Bring it to IRC Bitch! |
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You will rue the day! Pick me! Pick me!
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Thinking... Dood.
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UncleJeet (#47): You will rue the day! .. zot yoo verr effer born a Fronkenshtein! |
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Now start rueing! By the way, if signatures weren't for perverts, I'd totally sig this.
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