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Games as a fun creative medium?
April 2nd 2004, 17:36 CEST by Eyegore

It's sad to say that the only thing that really does this for me right now is 'The Sims', but I've been bored of that for a long time. Others would be 'Roller Coaster Tycoon' and 'Sim City' except that SimCity is much more micromanagement than creative. Same thing with Railroad Tycoon 3. Grand Theft Auto touches on it with it's 'emergent gameplay' where you can make your own game of trying to get across town by roof surfing cars. I'm a big fan of FPS games but I can only take so much twitch before I look elsewhere. The two games I'm looking forward to most right now are 'The Movies' which I hope will hit the nail on the head for what I'm looking for and of course 'The Sims 2', but is that all there is to look forward to? And isn't it interesting these two big creative games I mentioned (The Sims, Roller Coaster Tycoon) are among the few games that are most popular among women?

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#187 by The_Joker
2004-04-05 00:47:06

I saw Dawn of the dead.

It was ok. Nothing special.

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#188 by MCorleone
2004-04-05 00:48:09

Soulseek crashing? There's only one reason for that and with one quick scan of the forums you could have fixed it: Let me guess, you have a hyperthread processor, right? I'm not sure if they fixed the latest client or if you still have to do this, but a workaround is to right-click the shortcut, choose properties and check "Win98 compatibility mode" - Either that or go to the task manager and set the process affinity to use one processor. It doesn't like multi-proc environments.

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#189 by OwenButler
2004-04-05 01:01:18

Thanks MCorleone!

#190 by BobJustBob
2004-04-05 01:43:35

Maybe that will work. But I just remembered another terrible terrible thing about the client, and it's terrible - it doesn't save your window settings. Every time you open a new tab and every time you start up the program, everything is reset to the unchangeable defaults. It's terrible.

Dood.

#191 by Shadarr
2004-04-05 01:54:41

Is Soulseek the best music network? I just got a Nomad, and what with the Canadian court decision and all I figure it's time I started pirating again. Arr!

#192 by Sgt Hulka
2004-04-05 02:24:18

I saw Dawn of the dead.

It was ok. Nothing special.

I agree.

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#193 by The_Joker
2004-04-05 02:48:59

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#194 by LPMiller
2004-04-05 02:51:00

one less fucktard on voice chat, thanks!

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#195 by BobJustBob
2004-04-05 02:51:59

Yes, much thanks for not fagging up our great game.

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#196 by zimbardo_ugly
2004-04-05 03:08:19

Joker - I'm curious. What did you expect and why didn't you like it?

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#197 by Eyegore
2004-04-05 04:57:59

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I saw Dawn of The Dead also. It was exceptionally good. I'm a big fan of the original...I saw it in the theater when it came out, and have seen it many times since. I don't hold it against the new movie that it doesn't try to be a carbon copy of the original (like a lot of people seem to do). I'm a little on the fence but leaning towards thinking that the new Dawn of the Dead is better than the original. I guess there's room in me to love them both. The new one certainly raises the bar as the new standard for coming zombie horror movies to live up to. I'm going to see Sean of the Dead too but I think that will be a step in the opposite direction. Like what scream and scary movie did to the horror movie genre.

#198 by UncleJeet
2004-04-05 05:01:52

What the hell? Now my ears are popping like they're clogged up. I AM BECOME A ZOMBIE, I'M SURE OF IT!

I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!

#199 by McBain
2004-04-05 05:06:30

Ever since Jeet posted his recipe, I get hungry for chicken pot pie every time he posts.

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#200 by UncleJeet
2004-04-05 05:15:25

Bleh, I'm so sick even chicken pot pie doesn't sound good.

You should try my puffed french toast some time....DELICIOUS! or maple glazed chicken....mmmmmmm

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#201 by Dethstryk
2004-04-05 07:09:14

I haven't had a good chicken pot pie in a long time. When I drove through Oklahoma, I almost tried one from KFC, but the urge to destroy every Oklahoma native was too high.

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#202 by dookieagain
2004-04-05 07:51:11

Speaking of Zombies. Resident Evil Outbreak is a cool little game, but only if you have the PS2 network adapter, as the whole game is clearly clearly made for online play. Still it is really neat in that it forces you to work with complete strangers as a team while dealing with limited communication skills and people's own wills to survive fighting the group (I.E. Do I give my ammo to someone who needs it or save it to kill zombies that threaten me.) Plus there are some cool character choices for people who aren't into straight up fighting. I have enjoyed being the mule character who can hold lots of shit and doling it out to the group as I feel they deserve it.

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#203 by "Slappy"
2004-04-05 09:10:58

Interesting topic actually. My fiance recently threw her hands up in disgust at my game collection and asked if I had anything that was CREATIVE rather than just violent.

I showed her dungeon keeper 2 and how you could put the dominatrix chicks on the rack. I don't think she really liked the idea of creating a dungeon.

#204 by The_Joker
2004-04-05 12:01:57

Slappy:

That would have been a great moment for the "i've got your creativity right here, baby!" line, while you grab and shake your crotch.

UT2004 sucks cock. It's so.....meh.

If you want a real game, play COD. That is pure gaming perfection.

#205 by Marsh Davies
2004-04-05 13:30:05

I went to see Dawn of the Dead expecting very little. But it turned out to be great entertainment.

It seems to me that what is called the horror genre is comprised of two components: horror and terror. Horror being the gore, the monsters, the shocks and loud noises, and terror being the elements that are uncanny and unsettling to the point of despair. A blend of both makes the most scary movies. Dawn of the Dead was nearly all horror, little terror. Films like Audition or The Ring would be mostly terror.

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#206 by UncleJeet
2004-04-05 14:52:39

No, they didn't die. All the zombies morphed into Agent Smith, but Neo swooped down and fly everyone to safety high up in the Swiss Alps.

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#207 by UncleJeet
2004-04-05 14:54:38

Also, I've never heard of Audition - please explain.

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#208 by Marsh Davies
2004-04-05 15:16:39

It's a great film. Watch it!

But let's take The Ring as an example of terror. It has horror moments - the faces of the dead, the hand whipping up and grabbing the female lead's wrist, the gooey skull, Sadako's TV appearance, etc. - but what makes the film terrifying is the use of the bizarre, unnatural or uncanny. The video, for instance, uses no gore or sudden noises to make the audience wince or jump, but, nonetheless, it was deeply unsettling - the hairs stood on the back of my neck. Dawn of the Dead may have had a few of these moments; the video footage towards the end, or perhaps elements of the birth scene, but on the whole relied on bang! bang! splatter! horror. I'm not suggesting one is better than the other, but I'm just proposing that what are boradly classified as "horror movies" encompass very different mechanisms that can make for largely incomparable film experiences.

What do people think? Do you find one of these approaches less or more effective? Do you see a distinction at all?

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#209 by UncleJeet
2004-04-05 15:19:43

I thought the Ring relied too heavily on "OOOH LOOK THIS IS CREEPY I ASSURE YOU" imagery and a lame hook that just didn't do anything for me. Bleh to it.

I thought The Others was a much better film in the "terror" genre, though it was never particularly frightening - it was just a better movie all around.

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#210 by deadlock
2004-04-05 15:20:32

Marsh:

The video, for instance, uses no gore or sudden noises to make the audience wince or jump, but, nonetheless, it was deeply unsettling - the hairs stood on the back of my neck.

It sounds stupid, but on the DVD version of The Ring (the US remake - I'm an uncultured swine), there's an option in the menus to play the actual video from the movie. I swear, I was convinced that I'd be tempting fate by selecting that option.

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#211 by deadlock
2004-04-05 15:22:30

Jeet:

'The Others' was fantastic. Very creepy and very atmospheric. The twist was pretty good, in that it wasn't signposted early on, but if you thought back over everything, it made sense. Much like the twist in Fight Club or Sixth Sense.

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#212 by mgns
2004-04-05 15:24:53

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#213 by McBain
2004-04-05 15:29:14

The Japanese "Ringu" was more effectively creepy then the American version.

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#214 by Marsh Davies
2004-04-05 16:01:06

You know, I never really found The Others all that engaging; its production all seemed a little amateurish. The servants were hammy stereotypes, the lighting was crummy throughout and the plot reminded me heavily of The Turn of the Screw, without being quite as good. Christopher Ecclestone's role was intriguing but under-used and I'll admit that Nicole Kidman's performance was pretty damn good, but all in all, the film felt flouncy and... strangely smug. Like the film thought it was being more atmospheric than it was.

McBain:

Hm. I didn't mind the American remake, even though I expected to hate it. But it seemed to be more reliant upon horror than the Japanese version did, which I think makes it less creepy, but not necessarily less scary. Maybe it's a cultural thing.

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#215 by UncleJeet
2004-04-05 16:08:43

Hey, the Japanese worship belongs in the other thread! Pay attention! :)

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#216 by dookieagain
2004-04-05 16:28:19

Props to an older movie called the Wicker Man for being pretty creepy whilst also crossing about twenty different genres. Would you like musical with your satanic town/dectective film? Ending makes that one too.

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#217 by lwf
2004-04-05 16:37:49

People who produce terror movies are terrorists and you guys are helping them win.

For the next time you must redefine something.

#218 by UncleJeet
2004-04-05 16:40:10

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#219 by Warren Marshall
2004-04-05 16:53:22

#210 deadlock

Marsh:

The video, for instance, uses no gore or sudden noises to make the audience wince or jump, but, nonetheless, it was deeply unsettling - the hairs stood on the back of my neck.

I'm the same way. I can never bring myself to choose that option.

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#220 by Warren Marshall
2004-04-05 16:54:09

#213 McBain

The Japanese "Ringu" was more effectively creepy then the American version.

Ringu was a shallow rip off of Pong.

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#221 by Marsh Davies
2004-04-05 16:57:46

I love The Wicker Man.

The Japanese version of the Ring DVD had the standalone video option, too, and I could never bring myself to watch it. I can't imagine renting the movie on VHS.

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#222 by Your Friend
2004-04-05 19:18:57

The Ring was great, and I liked it better than Ringu because while Ringu was a good movie, it veered off into Japanese mythology at times that I found interesting but as a round-eye was too divorced from to be creeped out by it so it just seemed silly in many places.

One overlooked great aspect of The Ring is the sound editing. As with videogames, the difference between a good horror movie and a great one is often hidden in the sound effects and score, IMO.

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#223 by BobJustBob
2004-04-05 19:37:01

Ringu was much better than The Ring in many ways, the most notable of which being that it didn't have a comedic crazy horse scene that was supposed to be scary.

Dood.

#224 by Eyegore
2004-04-05 20:16:12

I agree with the horror/terror split. Good call. One of the best horror movies that blends those two elements well was the original Nightmare on Elm Street. It had lots of gore/horror moments, but the terror element was just as strong. I'm thinking back to how I felt watching it in the theater the first time mind you...how is this guy (freddy) able to walk through the bars of a jail cell or manipulate the environment at will? How can you escape something like that? The terror the girl went through when she realized that he got you in your dreams and was all powerful in the dream world. Chugging coffee like mad trying to stay awake, knowing that if she fell asleep it was all over for her, and nobody believed her or would help. Very terrifying. I know it's hard to see it like that now when the story has been redone over and over to the point of mocking itself, but the first movie, the first time is still one of the best horror movies of all time.

#225 by Eyegore
2004-04-05 20:18:09

I saw Ringu after seeing he american version. They were almost identical, but the american version was slicker with better effects, cinematography, and acting. And no subtitles. Both were just as good but I prefer the american version for those reasons.

#226 by Your Friend
2004-04-05 20:19:35

Yeah I agree that Nightmare on Elm Street is one of the best horror movies of all time. I also agree it is hard to look back into the past and see this objectively considering the ridiculousness of the sequels.

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#227 by Shadarr
2004-04-05 20:24:01

Part 3 wasn't terrifying, but it was still a good movie.

#228 by Your Friend
2004-04-05 20:26:01

I have a fondness for Nightmare on Elm Street 3 and thought it was great when I first saw it in theaters, but having (unfortunately) watched it again recently, I must say that it is not a good movie.

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#229 by Hugin
2004-04-05 20:31:22

What's the Elm Street movie where they're making an Elm Street movie and it's all meta? Because I have no idea if it's any good, but I have to admit the scene where the prop Freddy claw goes nuts was effectively scary for me.

#230 by Shadarr
2004-04-05 20:33:54

I don't want to watch any of the stuff again that I thought was good in the 80's. Most of it probably doesn't hold up, and I'm better off remembering it fondly.

#231 by Your Friend
2004-04-05 20:35:20

What's the Elm Street movie where they're making an Elm Street movie and it's all meta?

That one was "New Nightmare", IIRC. I only saw it once. I remember it being a very interesting idea and excuted pretty well, but not particularly scary.. Of course, I was much older when I saw it than I was when I saw the first movie, so maybe that had something to do with it.

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#232 by Charles
2004-04-05 20:46:22

Freddy vs Jason wasn't scary. I laughed and laughed and laughed though.

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#233 by Warren Marshall
2004-04-05 20:47:02

#232 Charles

Freddy vs Jason wasn't scary.

Wasn't supposed to be.

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#234 by Bailey
2004-04-05 21:31:28

You want to talk about not scary scary movies, Jason X is the prime example.

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#235 by Hugin
2004-04-05 21:37:18

No, not scary at all. But I have to admit, I loved Jason X. Loved.

#236 by Bailey
2004-04-05 21:39:33

You know Hugin, your baby icon is starting to make me think you're able to crush peoples' heads with your mind. Particularly photographers.

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