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Games as a fun creative medium?
April 2nd 2004, 17:36 CEST by Eyegore It's sad to say that the only thing that really does this for me right now is 'The Sims', but I've been bored of that for a long time. Others would be 'Roller Coaster Tycoon' and 'Sim City' except that SimCity is much more micromanagement than creative. Same thing with Railroad Tycoon 3. Grand Theft Auto touches on it with it's 'emergent gameplay' where you can make your own game of trying to get across town by roof surfing cars. I'm a big fan of FPS games but I can only take so much twitch before I look elsewhere. The two games I'm looking forward to most right now are 'The Movies' which I hope will hit the nail on the head for what I'm looking for and of course 'The Sims 2', but is that all there is to look forward to? And isn't it interesting these two big creative games I mentioned (The Sims, Roller Coaster Tycoon) are among the few games that are most popular among women? |
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Adam Jones did rip off the technique for the Tool video. I was a little irritated when I found that out, having seen the Tool vids first. Regarding p2p availability, the whole DVD won't be available I'm sure, but certain individual mpg's, like SofCrocs, should be. I know it was on soulseek months ago and availability should only increase with time as more users switch to soulseek. Sealed with a curse as sharp as a knife. Doomed is your soul and damned is your life.
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Soulseek? Never heard of it. /me does search |
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I use Soulseek. It's one of those that's only designed for music, but people use it for other stuff anyway. Dood.
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Tell me more about this Soulseek, why is it good? -Jeremy
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It's not so good. The reason I tried it is because it lets you download whole folders, which makes downloading albums easy. WinMX doesn't do that and suffers for it. Soulseek seems to have a pretty decent-sized userbase. However, the client (at least the default one, don't know if there are others) is horribly buggy. There's about a 25% chance that searching/enqueuing will crash the program, and I've even had it crash while just sitting in the tray transferring. But hey, free music. Dood.
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I've never had soulseek crash on me, I love the program. It comes closer to the love that was Audiogalaxy than anything these days. It's best for dance music and obscure metal. The url is slsknet.org btw, they screwed up with their domains a number of times now, letting them expire so they had to get a new one and also update the client because it connects directly to the domain. I want a horse that ribbits and a frog that neighs... oink oink oink
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slim define "goonshow." If you have to ask... My continued existence is purely to spite any sense of fairness in the universe.
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and? Turn back now.
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Goonshow, 1950's to early 1960's radio show, broadcast by the BBC world service, with the voices of Peter Sellers, Spike Milligan, Harry Seacombe and others. Very funny, very surreal, Monty Python took their cue from them. I want to see "Shaun of the Dead", simply because Simon Pegg (et al), were extremely funny in spaced and I dig their style of comedy. Do not go gently into that good night.
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I think I made a mistake mentioning GTA as part of the creative games thing...The way it lets you play however you want without forcing you through a linear story is something I really like and want to see more of, but it's a different topic. Creative games let you build something that's your own creation. Hardly any have been made, and from the looks of things hardly any more will be made anytime soon. I played Civilization3:Conquests for about 4 hours today. That and all it's incarnations including Alpha Centauri and Colonization are creative games. To a lesser extent so are most RTS games like Command & Conquer and Dune2 but have that sense of urgency that pushes them to the brink of the twitch zone. Games like The Sims and Roller Coaster Tycoon currently rule this genre that most game developers don't seem to be aware of, but I'm hoping they will catch on soon and we see much more games that let you think and create while playing. |
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I saw Dawn of the dead. It was ok. Nothing special. Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration. "I fart in THX." - Sgt_Hulka PENETRATOR: Rise of the Wang Cuming "When it's done". |
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Soulseek crashing? There's only one reason for that and with one quick scan of the forums you could have fixed it: Let me guess, you have a hyperthread processor, right? I'm not sure if they fixed the latest client or if you still have to do this, but a workaround is to right-click the shortcut, choose properties and check "Win98 compatibility mode" - Either that or go to the task manager and set the process affinity to use one processor. It doesn't like multi-proc environments. Sealed with a curse as sharp as a knife. Doomed is your soul and damned is your life.
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Thanks MCorleone! |
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Maybe that will work. But I just remembered another terrible terrible thing about the client, and it's terrible - it doesn't save your window settings. Every time you open a new tab and every time you start up the program, everything is reset to the unchangeable defaults. It's terrible. Dood.
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Is Soulseek the best music network? I just got a Nomad, and what with the Canadian court decision and all I figure it's time I started pirating again. Arr! |
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I saw Dawn of the dead. It was ok. Nothing special. I agree. |
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downloaded ut2k4, installed it, and...... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..... UNINSTALLED Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration. "I fart in THX." - Sgt_Hulka PENETRATOR: Rise of the Wang Cuming "When it's done". |
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one less fucktard on voice chat, thanks! Patriots don't need grammar or spellings for rid the world and tyranny. - Leslie Nassar, 3/28/2004
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Yes, much thanks for not fagging up our great game. Dood.
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Joker - I'm curious. What did you expect and why didn't you like it? "Warez non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem"
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I saw Dawn of The Dead also. It was exceptionally good. I'm a big fan of the original...I saw it in the theater when it came out, and have seen it many times since. I don't hold it against the new movie that it doesn't try to be a carbon copy of the original (like a lot of people seem to do). I'm a little on the fence but leaning towards thinking that the new Dawn of the Dead is better than the original. I guess there's room in me to love them both. The new one certainly raises the bar as the new standard for coming zombie horror movies to live up to. I'm going to see Sean of the Dead too but I think that will be a step in the opposite direction. Like what scream and scary movie did to the horror movie genre. |
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What the hell? Now my ears are popping like they're clogged up. I AM BECOME A ZOMBIE, I'M SURE OF IT! I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!
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Ever since Jeet posted his recipe, I get hungry for chicken pot pie every time he posts. Fighting the war on weapons of mass destruction-related program activity.
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Bleh, I'm so sick even chicken pot pie doesn't sound good. You should try my puffed french toast some time....DELICIOUS! or maple glazed chicken....mmmmmmm I AM A CULINARY GENIUS......braaaaaaaaaaaains! dammit I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!
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I haven't had a good chicken pot pie in a long time. When I drove through Oklahoma, I almost tried one from KFC, but the urge to destroy every Oklahoma native was too high. If any of you are in Oklahoma, can you explain to me why any place I stop along I-40 is filled with the most incompetent fast food workers I've ever encountered? sunny days have funny ways of quieting the roar
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Speaking of Zombies. Resident Evil Outbreak is a cool little game, but only if you have the PS2 network adapter, as the whole game is clearly clearly made for online play. Still it is really neat in that it forces you to work with complete strangers as a team while dealing with limited communication skills and people's own wills to survive fighting the group (I.E. Do I give my ammo to someone who needs it or save it to kill zombies that threaten me.) Plus there are some cool character choices for people who aren't into straight up fighting. I have enjoyed being the mule character who can hold lots of shit and doling it out to the group as I feel they deserve it. |
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Interesting topic actually. My fiance recently threw her hands up in disgust at my game collection and asked if I had anything that was CREATIVE rather than just violent. I showed her dungeon keeper 2 and how you could put the dominatrix chicks on the rack. I don't think she really liked the idea of creating a dungeon. |
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Slappy: That would have been a great moment for the "i've got your creativity right here, baby!" line, while you grab and shake your crotch. UT2004 sucks cock. It's so.....meh. If you want a real game, play COD. That is pure gaming perfection. Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration. "I fart in THX." - Sgt_Hulka PENETRATOR: Rise of the Wang Cuming "When it's done". |
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I went to see Dawn of the Dead expecting very little. But it turned out to be great entertainment. It seems to me that what is called the horror genre is comprised of two components: horror and terror. Horror being the gore, the monsters, the shocks and loud noises, and terror being the elements that are uncanny and unsettling to the point of despair. A blend of both makes the most scary movies. Dawn of the Dead was nearly all horror, little terror. Films like Audition or The Ring would be mostly terror. Re: Dawn of the Dead SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER Did they die at the end when they reached the island? I've heard people here say they do, but I think it's inconclusive. As far as I could tell the camera gets dropped and that's it. |
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No, they didn't die. All the zombies morphed into Agent Smith, but Neo swooped down and fly everyone to safety high up in the Swiss Alps. I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!
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Also, I've never heard of Audition - please explain. I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!
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It's a great film. Watch it! But let's take The Ring as an example of terror. It has horror moments - the faces of the dead, the hand whipping up and grabbing the female lead's wrist, the gooey skull, Sadako's TV appearance, etc. - but what makes the film terrifying is the use of the bizarre, unnatural or uncanny. The video, for instance, uses no gore or sudden noises to make the audience wince or jump, but, nonetheless, it was deeply unsettling - the hairs stood on the back of my neck. Dawn of the Dead may have had a few of these moments; the video footage towards the end, or perhaps elements of the birth scene, but on the whole relied on bang! bang! splatter! horror. I'm not suggesting one is better than the other, but I'm just proposing that what are boradly classified as "horror movies" encompass very different mechanisms that can make for largely incomparable film experiences. What do people think? Do you find one of these approaches less or more effective? Do you see a distinction at all? |
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I thought the Ring relied too heavily on "OOOH LOOK THIS IS CREEPY I ASSURE YOU" imagery and a lame hook that just didn't do anything for me. Bleh to it. I thought The Others was a much better film in the "terror" genre, though it was never particularly frightening - it was just a better movie all around. I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!
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Marsh: The video, for instance, uses no gore or sudden noises to make the audience wince or jump, but, nonetheless, it was deeply unsettling - the hairs stood on the back of my neck. It sounds stupid, but on the DVD version of The Ring (the US remake - I'm an uncultured swine), there's an option in the menus to play the actual video from the movie. I swear, I was convinced that I'd be tempting fate by selecting that option. |
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Jeet: 'The Others' was fantastic. Very creepy and very atmospheric. The twist was pretty good, in that it wasn't signposted early on, but if you thought back over everything, it made sense. Much like the twist in Fight Club or Sixth Sense. |
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"Oh, I saw that coming a mile away. From just looking at the movie poster in the foyer." "If you want sperm that produces Nobel Prize winners you should be contacting people like my father, a poor immigrant tailor. What have my sperm given the world? Two guitarists!" - Biochemist George Wald, on being solicited for a semen sample by William Shockley's sperm bank for Nobel Prize-winning scientists.
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The Japanese "Ringu" was more effectively creepy then the American version. Fighting the war on weapons of mass destruction-related program activity.
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You know, I never really found The Others all that engaging; its production all seemed a little amateurish. The servants were hammy stereotypes, the lighting was crummy throughout and the plot reminded me heavily of The Turn of the Screw, without being quite as good. Christopher Ecclestone's role was intriguing but under-used and I'll admit that Nicole Kidman's performance was pretty damn good, but all in all, the film felt flouncy and... strangely smug. Like the film thought it was being more atmospheric than it was. McBain: Hm. I didn't mind the American remake, even though I expected to hate it. But it seemed to be more reliant upon horror than the Japanese version did, which I think makes it less creepy, but not necessarily less scary. Maybe it's a cultural thing. |
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Hey, the Japanese worship belongs in the other thread! Pay attention! :) I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!
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Props to an older movie called the Wicker Man for being pretty creepy whilst also crossing about twenty different genres. Would you like musical with your satanic town/dectective film? Ending makes that one too. |
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People who produce terror movies are terrorists and you guys are helping them win. For the next time you must redefine something.
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Howard The Duck I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!
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#210 deadlock Marsh: The video, for instance, uses no gore or sudden noises to make the audience wince or jump, but, nonetheless, it was deeply unsettling - the hairs stood on the back of my neck. It sounds stupid, but on the DVD version of The Ring (the US remake - I'm an uncultured swine), there's an option in the menus to play the actual video from the movie. I swear, I was convinced that I'd be tempting fate by selecting that option. I'm the same way. I can never bring myself to choose that option. "Cheap Garbage Disposal Can’t Handle Femur"
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#213 McBain The Japanese "Ringu" was more effectively creepy then the American version. Ringu was a shallow rip off of Pong. "Cheap Garbage Disposal Can’t Handle Femur"
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I love The Wicker Man. The Japanese version of the Ring DVD had the standalone video option, too, and I could never bring myself to watch it. I can't imagine renting the movie on VHS. |
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The Ring was great, and I liked it better than Ringu because while Ringu was a good movie, it veered off into Japanese mythology at times that I found interesting but as a round-eye was too divorced from to be creeped out by it so it just seemed silly in many places. One overlooked great aspect of The Ring is the sound editing. As with videogames, the difference between a good horror movie and a great one is often hidden in the sound effects and score, IMO. Comment Signature
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Ringu was much better than The Ring in many ways, the most notable of which being that it didn't have a comedic crazy horse scene that was supposed to be scary. Dood.
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I agree with the horror/terror split. Good call. One of the best horror movies that blends those two elements well was the original Nightmare on Elm Street. It had lots of gore/horror moments, but the terror element was just as strong. I'm thinking back to how I felt watching it in the theater the first time mind you...how is this guy (freddy) able to walk through the bars of a jail cell or manipulate the environment at will? How can you escape something like that? The terror the girl went through when she realized that he got you in your dreams and was all powerful in the dream world. Chugging coffee like mad trying to stay awake, knowing that if she fell asleep it was all over for her, and nobody believed her or would help. Very terrifying. I know it's hard to see it like that now when the story has been redone over and over to the point of mocking itself, but the first movie, the first time is still one of the best horror movies of all time. |
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I saw Ringu after seeing he american version. They were almost identical, but the american version was slicker with better effects, cinematography, and acting. And no subtitles. Both were just as good but I prefer the american version for those reasons. |
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Yeah I agree that Nightmare on Elm Street is one of the best horror movies of all time. I also agree it is hard to look back into the past and see this objectively considering the ridiculousness of the sequels. Comment Signature
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