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UT2K4 Onslaught vs. Planetside
February 13th 2004, 04:02 CET by Hugin

The first thing I thought after a few rounds of Onslaught was "Boy, this feels like Planetside on amphetamines."

The next thing I thought was...does Epic's explicit "sporting competition" model for the UT games offer advantages over a game like Planetside, which is attempting to model and simulate a "real" (albeit imaginary) conflict?  In Onslaught, both sides have access to the same weapons and vehicles, which makes an intuitive sense in the sports context, and neatly avoids most of the endless complaining about faction balance in Planetside. The critical network nodes are quite exposed, which makes no "real world" defensive sense, but allows for some furious open battling, instead of the sometimes unsatisfying attritional meatgrinder corridor and stairway battles in Planetside.  Overall, by not having to adhere to so many background story/worldbuilding elements to justify the gameplay conventions, is a better game created?  Is the loss of the deeper meaning written into the background story of Planetside and other fictional conflicts, or recreations of historical events like WW2 worth the tighter gameplay? Is the preservation of a planet or a species or a social philosophy, the defeat of evil, etc (even these people and factions are entirely fictitious) a more compelling goal than winning the Space Superbowl?

  Would it be impossible to hook players into the MMOG, subscription format if it were merely an elaborate sports league?  Is this all really more about the smaller team sizes more than anything else?  Epic or Sony, who's got the smarter sci-fi war?

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#155 by haplo
2004-02-13 20:30:28

Point taken.

<@jafd> Anyway, Darth, your name is stupid. sry.
<@Ashiran> So no more darthnugget?
<@haplo> darthnugget has left the building

#156 by Phayyde
2004-02-13 20:31:42

a) MyDoom, et alii
b) ASN.1
c) Win2K source code in the hands of the blackhats.
d) Gartner Group says Microsoft security sucks.

Our Free Market has an autoimmune disorder called MS.

Beat to fit, paint to match.

#157 by haplo
2004-02-13 20:32:10

Caryn:

I base it all on my own semi-informed position and nothing more. So in line with what both you and Matt said...I guess we just don't know what really happened.

<@jafd> Anyway, Darth, your name is stupid. sry.
<@Ashiran> So no more darthnugget?
<@haplo> darthnugget has left the building

#158 by Marsh Davies
2004-02-13 20:37:48

Trunks:

Marsh, I also have a GeForce4 Ti 4200 and I'm having no issues. Sounds like you have some sort of resource conflict on your system.

No... no. God just hates me.

*sobs*

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#159 by Hugin
2004-02-13 20:42:23

#157 by haplo

I guess we just don't know what really happened.

My guess is that MS looked at the market and decided it wasn't likely to deliver profits worth the remaining development time and ongoing support resources. But I'm crazy like that.

#160 by Phayyde
2004-02-13 20:43:12

'body got some jumper cables? My MS rant just died on me.

Beat to fit, paint to match.

#161 by Darkseid-D
2004-02-13 20:43:57

re: 4200

Go into the bios and turn off fast writes and sidebanding on the agp, and lower the aperture to 128mbs.

Also, ensure you have the latest Via / Nvidia motherboard drivers, as there have been updated AGP Garts released.

Do not go gently into that good night.
Old age should burn and rage at the close of day.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

#162 by Marsh Davies
2004-02-13 20:46:16

Apropos of nothing, but perhaps entertaining for Irish/British denizens of the board, this week's Private Eye mentions how a young QC Hutton represented the soldiers implicated in the Bloody Sunday massacre over 30 years ago. The coroner concluded that the soldiers shot indiscriminately and effectively committed "sheer, unadulterated murder". Hutton responded by saying, "It is not for you or the jury to express such wide-ranging views, particularly when a most eminent judge has spent 20 days hearing evidence and come to a very different conclusion."

Of course, because as we all know from the recent Hutton report, eminent judges can never utterly bastardise the clear and obvious truth.

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#163 by Marsh Davies
2004-02-13 20:47:17

I love you ds. You're my favourite pro.

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#164 by Trunks
2004-02-13 20:48:08

Yes, new motherboard drivers is a must these days. Though be careful with the VIA ones, as the older VIA boards with the AMD Northbridge need you to install all the VIA 4-1 drivers EXCEPT the AGP miniport driver, in which case you install the latest AMD AGP miniport driver.

Warren - With the 64-bit Athlons out and 64-bit WinXP on the horizon, what's the word on 64-bit UT2K4 support? Some coworkers around the office were also wondering about any SMP or HT support as well.

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#165 by Ergo
2004-02-13 20:50:49

"It is not for you or the jury to express such wide-ranging views, particularly when a most eminent judge has spent 20 days hearing evidence and come to a very different conclusion."

Wow. I mean, just wow. The arrogance of that statement is truly incredible.

MY FATE KEEPS INTERFERING WITH MY DESTINY. THAT IS KARMA.
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#166 by Marsh Davies
2004-02-13 20:54:15

You can see why the government wanted him to review their situation reguarding the "sexing up" of intelligence.

He a fink for da man.

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#167 by Caryn
2004-02-13 20:57:33

#159 Hugin

My guess is that MS looked at the market and decided it wasn't likely to deliver profits worth the remaining development time and ongoing support resources. But I'm crazy like that.

Well, especially since that's exactly what they said was behind the decision. And pretty much everyone can look at the market and say, "yeah. Yeah, that's about right."

"For those who have come to grow, the whole world is a garden. For those who have come to learn, the whole world is a university. For those who have come to know God, the whole world is a prayer mat." - M. R. Bawa Muhaiyadeen

#168 by Charles
2004-02-13 21:08:15

I don't see a conspiracy. I just think this game had a lot of promise, and a large public following. The reasons said something about an "oversaturated market". While I agree with that statement, I think its wierd that a popular game would be canned so suddenly.

1000 people on a forum might seem like a large public following, but it isn't really. What is or isn't popular is pretty ephemereal when viewing from the net. I'm sure that MS has better ways of gauging popularity.

I have no excuses, least of all for God. Like all tyrants, he is not worthy of the spit you would waste on negotiations. The deal we have is infinitely simpler - I don't call him to account, and he extends me the same courtesy.

#169 by Hugin
2004-02-13 21:10:02

That was the joke I was making Caryn. :)

#170 by Caryn
2004-02-13 21:14:31

Well, surely a little clumsy trampling won't hurt it, now will it, Hugin?

#171 by haplo
2004-02-13 21:15:48

Well ok I guess I am just sad because I was really looking forward to Mythica...

But here is a question I am sure you all can answer.

A friend of mine who was obsessive about Mythica think there is a chance another publishing company could pick up the game and finish release it. This interview seems to support that in a way. What are the chances of this happening?

<@jafd> Anyway, Darth, your name is stupid. sry.
<@Ashiran> So no more darthnugget?
<@haplo> darthnugget has left the building

#172 by Squeaky
2004-02-13 21:16:09

#148 LPMiller

They canceled it because of the Doom 3 co-op RPG module Caryn is testing out now.

But you can only get full enjoyment out of that by linking up 4 GBAs smothered in cheese.

Problem talk creates problems. Solution talk creates solutions.
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#173 by Squeaky
2004-02-13 21:19:23

What's Mythica?

Problem talk creates problems. Solution talk creates solutions.
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#174 by Hugin
2004-02-13 21:21:26

#173 by Squeaky

What's Mythica?

A game company of course. They make Dark Age of Camelot. I hear that's coming out with some kind of new Norse expansion any time now.

#175 by CheesyPoof
2004-02-13 21:21:32

Maybe MS canceled Mythica because of that infringment lawsuit.

#176 by Charles
2004-02-13 21:22:12

What are the chances of this happening?

Probably none. If MS doesn't think it'll make money, what on earth would make any other company think they COULD make money off it?

#177 by None-1a
2004-02-13 21:23:09

haplo with it being an internally developed game I'd say near zero chance of it being sold off to another publisher.

#178 by haplo
2004-02-13 21:25:20

Probably none. If MS doesn't think it'll make money, what on earth would make any other company think they COULD make money off it?

Well I agree with that, just trying to make my friend happy.

Maybe MS canceled Mythica because of that infringment lawsuit.

GameSpy: Did the Mythic lawsuit have any bearing at all on the decision?
Chris Lye: Absolutely not. The timing is purely coincidental. We were in discussions with Mythic about the issue, but they are now moot.

<@jafd> Anyway, Darth, your name is stupid. sry.
<@Ashiran> So no more darthnugget?
<@haplo> darthnugget has left the building

#179 by CheesyPoof
2004-02-13 21:30:42

LIES! Don't believe what the talking heads say.

#180 by haplo
2004-02-13 21:31:37

Well the entire interview seems like scripted responses to me anyway.

<@jafd> Anyway, Darth, your name is stupid. sry.
<@Ashiran> So no more darthnugget?
<@haplo> darthnugget has left the building

#181 by crash
2004-02-13 21:38:46

haplo:

Do all you "in the know" people think the Mythica cancelling is rather sudden and fishy?

I'm not "in the know," but this wasn't a surprise to me. MS sells the license to both AC games back to Turbine, sees the expansion pack coming from AC, EQ2 and WoW are gettin' real close, and MEO--another licensing juggernaut waiting to drop onto the genre--is about a year and a half out, more or less. Maybe less.

Lotta big guns competing for the space, and Mythica doesn't have what it takes to outmuscle the big ones. They'd be fighting for scraps, and they know it--and after the clusterfuck that was AC2, maybe someone up top decided to not trust MS' design decisions any more.

No big loss, at any rate.

By this time tomorrow we can be doing BODY SHOTS off HOOKERS in some MEXICAN HELLHOLE

#182 by crash
2004-02-13 21:39:52

Missed the followup:

A friend of mine who was obsessive about Mythica think there is a chance another publishing company could pick up the game and finish release it. This interview seems to support that in a way. What are the chances of this happening?

Slim to none.

By this time tomorrow we can be doing BODY SHOTS off HOOKERS in some MEXICAN HELLHOLE

#183 by Trolly McTroll
2004-02-13 21:40:55

#176 Charles

What are the chances of this happening?

Probably none. If MS doesn't think it'll make money, what on earth would make any other company think they COULD make money off it?

Because they're the same company that said nobody would ever need more than 64k of ram.

fuckers

You Know You Envy the soul of Trolly McTroll

#184 by Ashiran
2004-02-13 21:48:23

what on earth would make any other company think they COULD make money off it?

A good "consultant" combined with dimwitted company managment should be sufficient.

"Someday, someone will best me. But it won't be today, and it won't be you."

#185 by Marsh Davies
2004-02-13 21:48:26

DS -

Hrm... No such thing as sidebanding on the AGP. Aperture was already 128, but I turned off fast writes.

I've determined that I have an Epox mainboard. As far as I know I only have an AMD chipset - but the Epox downloads page offers VIA all-in-one updates for my board as well as regular AMD ones, saying assuredly

You have a hybrid chipset VIA southbridge and AMD northbridge, for that reason you need to install the VIA all in one drivers for correct functionality

How can they know? Anyway, any advice on which I should get, and how I can determine whether I have a VIA or AMD and VIA?

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#186 by Squeaky
2004-02-13 21:52:02

#174 Hugin

#173 by Squeaky

What's Mythica?

A game company of course. They make Dark Age of Camelot. I hear that's coming out with some kind of new Norse expansion any time now.

i thought mythic created daoc?

Problem talk creates problems. Solution talk creates solutions.
dvds

#187 by Hugin
2004-02-13 21:53:34

Clearly, this is not the day for the subtle humor.

#188 by Matt Perkins
2004-02-13 21:54:44

Clearly, this is not the day for the subtle humor.

Or even not so subtle humor.

"Good, good. Now, and here is where I'm going with this - I'll be fucked if I can remember how to farm."
- LP

#189 by Squeaky
2004-02-13 21:54:59

#187 Hugin

Clearly, this is not the day for the subtle humor.

I wouldn't recognise subtlety if it were a 16 ton weight being dropped on my head.

Problem talk creates problems. Solution talk creates solutions.
dvds

#190 by CheesyPoof
2004-02-13 21:56:50

Obviously the suit against MS wasn't frivolous.

#191 by Chunkstyle
2004-02-13 22:02:34

i thought mythic created daoc?

That's a myth.

Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering - and it's all over much too soon.
-Woody Allen

#192 by BobJustBob
2004-02-13 22:10:21

Myth! Myth!

Yes?

Dood.

#193 by McBain
2004-02-13 22:10:44

i thought mythic created daoc?

And with that the claims made by Mythic against Microsoft are proven.

Fighting the war on weapons of mass destruction-related program activity.

#194 by Darkseid-D
2004-02-13 22:11:59

What model Epox?

Amd havent made chipsets since the slot A boards, so its probably a reasonably fair bet its a via based board.

Do not go gently into that good night.
Old age should burn and rage at the close of day.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

#195 by UncleJeet
2004-02-13 22:12:17

So Valve hired the guy who wrote BitTorrent? Could this mean that we can look forward to a future of bandwidth parasitic games? Rock on!

I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!

#196 by UncleJeet
2004-02-13 22:14:28

Surely you've done the simplest trial and error approaches to your problem, like shutting down all but your absolutely vital processes to make sure your dancing stripper whore taskbar buddy isn't causing any sort of confusion.

I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!

#197 by Shadarr
2004-02-13 22:15:26

So Valve hired the guy who wrote BitTorrent? Could this mean that we can look forward to a future of bandwidth parasitic games? Rock on!

That's already inevitable. At least this way Steam might actually work.

#198 by Duality
2004-02-13 22:16:18

#187 Hugin

Clearly, this is not the day for the subtle humor.

I thought it was hilarious, Hugin. But I said nothing because I'm not Ds.

#199 by Charles
2004-02-13 22:20:51

What? The people who made Myth turned in to a company named Mythica who then made DAoC? I think I have it straight now!

#200 by Greg
2004-02-13 22:21:46

I guess MS could've countersued since they own Bungie, huh?

-DKI(ID

#201 by Charles
2004-02-13 22:22:49

Microsoft made DAoC? Who knew!

#202 by Bailey
2004-02-13 22:24:37

jafd

My package, you say?

You got nothing coming.

#203 by Bailey
2004-02-13 22:27:47

In regards to the whole saturated MMOG market, I really wish people would grow some spines and start cancelling the accounts for games they only keep so they can chat with friends and cyber with a manimal. These things need to die on occasion, or else crappy, bug-ridden messes will always be the order of the day. Also, it's incredibly difficult to introduce a new competitor in the market, as no one wants to give up their "progress" from all those wasted hours.

You got nothing coming.

#204 by UncleJeet
2004-02-13 22:29:27

I'll take Whoopi for the win.

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