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Nintendo to Metroid Fans: We Have a Surprise for You!
February 9th 2004, 05:11 CET by Charles What the fuck makes developers think they can completely change a game, partway through, and expect people to like it? I'm not going to spoil what exactly Nintendo has done with Metroid: Zero Mission, but needless to say, the game changes drastically in to something completely different. Something that is NOT Metroid. For all my fear of Nintendo dropping the ball, turns out they actually wanted to, and just wanted to surprise you with it in the worst possible way. Which is a shame, because up until fighting Motherbrain, Metroid: Zero Mission is a damn fine game, perhaps even the best 2D entry in the series. Who at Nintendo thought the extra missions were a good idea? |
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The recommendation would be to buy a console, since gamepads on the PC lick festering donkey nuts. I have no excuses, least of all for God. Like all tyrants, he is not worthy of the spit you would waste on negotiations. The deal we have is infinitely simpler - I don't call him to account, and he extends me the same courtesy.
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Sorry jafd, the adults are trying to have a conversation. |
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Because the current discussion doesn't matter to me... Did anyone see this on Discovery yet? It's a show about the most dangerous seas in our history and the things living in them. It was both the most amazing and most annoying show I've seen on Sea "Monsters" ever. The 3D modelling and CG was well above par. It was great and they showed scale and potential habits and all kinds of REALLY interesting facts about Megladons (sp?) and all kinds of other creatures that have lived in the past. Along with that, they had Nigel pretend to be in those Seas. OMG! It was utterly annoying. They turned a great show into something like he was actually travelling through time and seeing these creatures in person. They had the captain of his boat act arguments, they went through discussions about how the best way to see Megladons up close was, etc, etc, etc, etc. They took it WAY overboard and made the show like a bad B flic. The science and the CG kept me watching, but the rest of the show tried to drive me away continually. We now return you to your regulary schedule arguments "Good, good. Now, and here is where I'm going with this - I'll be fucked if I can remember how to farm."
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Charles is right, the ending of Metroid should be discovered in the privacy of your own horrified psyche. It's like zen: if the master tells you the answer, it will never be your own, dig? Deth It's not like they fucked you in the face like Neversoft did with Tony Hawk: Underground. You mean in the overall lacking quality of gameplay and design, or did they do something at the end of the game? You got nothing coming.
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'festering donkey nuts'.... Actually that sounds about right for PC gamepads. |
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Ash PoP for the PC was pie. Ofcourse, I played it with a gamepad. Don't know how bad keyboard is. I've played it with both on PC, and after a learning curve, I didn't have any issues with the keyboard controls. The quirks are annoying, but they're predictable, so unless you're one of those people who glazes off during gameplay, it shouldn't be an issue. MattP I'll check it out on the 14th. Sounds horribly interesting. I mean, horrible and interesting. You got nothing coming.
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The only sea monsters I've ever seen have come in the form of very large Texas women emerging from the surf of the beach wearing very small bikinis. I have no desire to find even more horrific things. I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!
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#80 UncleJeet The only sea monsters I've ever seen have come in the form of very large Texas women emerging from the surf of the beach wearing very small bikinis. I have no desire to find even more horrific things. *shudder* For every person that says "Man, women in Texas are HOT," there's a guy clawing his eyes out in Galveston. Winner of the prestigious "Yotsuya's Gold Star Writer of the Week" animated gif award.
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Man, women in Texas are HOT! That's a beautiful way to go. Shot by Yot. In more ways than one. -mgns
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I welcomed this newfangled relative-to-camera experience. Pretty odd at first (yeah I'm a PC gamer), but I think it makes the game more manageable. More.. easy to use. Each scene was like a prepeeled scrumptious pony, no fucking around having to press left to go right, just because the prince is running towards the camera. I realise doing that is not an impossible feat, but I think it makes it easier to just sit down and complete a sequence without having to look which way you're facing. As long as the developers desperately try and minimize the cameraswitches that crosses over so you're suddenly running back into the previous scene I'm a happy little camper. I doubt the relative-to-camera scheme works well if you have to aim and shoot or drive things though.. |
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#72 I can see that once the jumping puzzles get complex I'm going to want to hurl my monitor out the window in frustration #75 the adults are trying to have a conversation I'm confused. Does this mean you are enjoying several adult beverages, or that you're huffing glue? It's my life. It never ends.
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Yeah, Warren has the right idea. |
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Matt Perkins in #76 said: Along with that, they had Nigel pretend to be in those Seas. OMG! It was utterly annoying. They turned a great show into something like he was actually travelling through time and seeing these creatures in person. They had the captain of his boat act arguments, they went through discussions about how the best way to see Megladons up close was, etc, etc, etc, etc. They took it WAY overboard and made the show like a bad B flic. That's the Discovery channel for you. 'Science' for morons with no attention span. Walking with the Dinosaurs and all that crap. The programs are an hour long but only teach you about three pages of text worth of anything due to the slow narration and 'reenactments'. You'd be far better off reading the encyclopedia. And yet children in high schools are still being shown this crap (along with much worse) because it is 'educational'.From this week's Onion: 10th-Grade Class Watches Ben-Hur For Two Weeks This is not a joke. This happens (minus the teacher spending the whole time in the lounge). SALEM, VA—For the eighth straight world-history period, sophomores at Riverside High School watched the 1959 classic Ben-Hur Tuesday. "The chariot races were pretty cool," Michael Bower said of the 211-minute film he and classmates have been watching in 25-minute segments, between roll call and free-reading. "And when Mr. Franks got back from the teachers' lounge, he told us Jesus is in tomorrow's part." Bower said he dreads next week, when the class will break into Ben-Hur discussion groups and share their ancient-history unit journals. |
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We spent three days watching the old version of Romeo and Juliet in Junior High. My kids are going to private schools. Winner of the prestigious "Yotsuya's Gold Star Writer of the Week" animated gif award.
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Eh, this is nothing new. We watched Gandhi in my Social Studies class when I was in junior high school a hojillion years ago. I didn't learn a thing from it. Also, private schools don't completely solve that problem. I went to private school for a while and we also watched a really old Romeo and Juliet movie. But we also read the play and critically studied it, too. I don't see anything wrong with adding media to the curriculum as long as it's not a substitute and is used correctly as a supplement. For instance, watching a Romeo and Juliet movie is perfectly fine in my book...it's a way for students to compare what they see on the screen to what they read in the play and then discuss the artist's interpretation of Shakespeare's work. The Gandhi film, on the other hand, I'm pretty sure was just our teacher filling time. I am in Kyoto
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Bailey YF Also, Zero Mission is awesome (yes, even after the 'switch' part), so fuck all ya'll that are dissin on it. Thanks Bob, we value your input. Haha you called him Bob because he likes a game that you don't like, just as I often like games that you hate. It's funny, see? For the record, fuck Metroid. I played it as a kid on the NES and enjoyed it, but I don't hold it up as some mythical example of perfect gameplay. Also for the record, radical shifts in gameplay are bad. This ties in to the hatred of sneaking missions in shooters, escort missions, jumping puzzles, etc. Dood.
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#78 FormerFlyGuy 'festering donkey nuts'.... Actually that sounds about right for PC gamepads. Except for those of us intelligent enough to buy a USB PS2 controller adapter. "Cheap Garbage Disposal Can’t Handle Femur"
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I just saw the best show evar on the oceans over the weekend ... I forget the name, but it's their big ocean series. They went down miles under sea level and showed all these different creatures feasting on dead whales and such. Really interesting and well put together. "Cheap Garbage Disposal Can’t Handle Femur"
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I went to a Catholic school, and in sophomore year religion class we watched religious movies like Turner and Hooch (and others, but I forget them offhand). -DKI(ID
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G-Man You know, sometimes, entertainment is just entertainment. And those Walking with Dinosaurs shows are entertaining. Warren Blue Planet or something? You got nothing coming.
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A Spanish teacher in high school was fond of forcing Julio Igleseas videos upon us. I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!
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Blue Planet or something? Possibly ... or 'Seas of Discovery'. My TiVo is at home, otherwise I would look it up... "Cheap Garbage Disposal Can’t Handle Femur"
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We watched The Name of the Rose in my high school senior English class. What sucks that our teacher almost got fired for it (instead he got a week suspension with no pay) because there was a scene involving sex. Even though he warned us ahead of time about the scene and encouraged any students who were uncomfortable about that to leave the room. (I got my 15 seconds of fame when the local news interviewed me about it - a bunch of us from the class got together and protested his suspension.) I am in Kyoto
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Caryn- I enjoyed that book. But I'll be honest with you, he should have known better. Teachers need to be aware of school and district policy when it comes to rated R films. Let me ask you, before he showed the film, did he send home a permission slip? That's a beautiful way to go. Shot by Yot. In more ways than one. -mgns
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#88 Caryn Also, private schools don't completely solve that problem. In high school, I attended two years of private school, then two years of public school. The moment that I realized there was something wrong with the public school system was when I picked up my books for my senior level classes. The English book we were using was the same one I'd used my freshman year. Winner of the prestigious "Yotsuya's Gold Star Writer of the Week" animated gif award.
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Speaking of books... "As they shared the excitement of the venture that had brought them together so fully during the short time since the dinner with Russ Feingold, their sense of respect for each other's dedication to their effort to do something for society through their work on the university paper spilled over into an awareness that they both felt drawn to each other romantically. They explored their backgrounds, finding many similarities in experiences and enthusiasms and beliefs, discovering their plans and hopes for the future were so similar that later, as they walked back to Joan's dorm, stopping for a moment in the open park between the university library and the Historical Society building to look up at the night sky, Dave embraced Joan, kissing her for the first time, a kiss that lingered as Joan yielded to his arms. That moment sealed their sense of being a couple. Henceforward they would work as a team." Proof that education isn't everything. It's my life. It never ends.
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#97 yotsuya But I'll be honest with you, he should have known better. Teachers need to be aware of school and district policy when it comes to rated R films. Let me ask you, before he showed the film, did he send home a permission slip? Nope, he didn't. I understand your stance about policy; I simply disagree with the initial motives behind the controversy, which was that a sex scene in the movie was being shown to high school students. I am in Kyoto
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#87 Jibble We spent three days watching the old version of Romeo and Juliet in Junior High. My kids are going to private schools. We watched the newer Romeo and Juliet in school. In history class we watched Where Eagles Dare, The Great Escape, and Mel Brooks History of the World Part One. I also got to watch Blade Runner, Dr. Strangelove, Gladiator, Star Wars, and a whole whack of other great movies. Problem talk creates problems. Solution talk creates solutions.
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#99 jafd oh. my. Problem talk creates problems. Solution talk creates solutions.
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#98 Jibble Also, private schools don't completely solve that problem. In high school, I attended two years of private school, then two years of public school. The moment that I realized there was something wrong with the public school system was when I picked up my books for my senior level classes. The English book we were using was the same one I'd used my freshman year. Oh, I understand. I had the same problem. I went to private school during 8th and 9th grade, but went to a public high school. Because my private high school curriculum was accelerated, they had to jigger my courses in a very odd way. For instance, I'd started learning Latin in 8th grade and most of my 8th and 9th grade math courses were a year ahead of the public school. As a result, by my senior year I was enrolled in a half high school AP, half college curriculum with the local community college, and in my senior year our Latin teacher created a special advanced course for me and one other student since we were a year ahead there (and we wanted to continue to study it if she was willing to teach it). Private school saved my life academically, and that's no small statement given then things that were going on in my life by the time I'd reached 7th grade. As a result, I plan to work my ass off to send my kid to a private school if we have children. I am in Kyoto
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I mostly wasted the possibilities provided to me by private school. If I'd been in it from the beginning I probably would have done better, but tossing a kid from public school to private school at the beginning of his freshman year is a bad idea. Winner of the prestigious "Yotsuya's Gold Star Writer of the Week" animated gif award.
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In junor school (no idea wht the US equivalent is - we were all 9 or 10 anyway) we watched Jaws 2. Can't remember why the teacher showed it to us, but we all thought it was fantastic. In High school, as part of our history study of the American West, we watched Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, and Young Guns 1 and 2. Yes, I know they had little actual relevance, but damn they made last lesson on friday afternoons worthwhile. 9 years later you're the fat kid with his face pressed against the window of The Industry. - crash
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I think public schools would be fine if they could stop trying to bring everyone along at the same pace. I never went to private school, but I took classes outside of the regular schoolwork. They only had a program... using the term loosely... for advancing in math, but it was enough to put me a year ahead in math, and that served me well, going for college and all. What annoys me is that the program was eventually cancelled as being "elitist". They argued as if it were somehow wrong to allow kids to go faster through schoolwork than the rest of the class. As a country, the US isn't going to provide the education kids need to succeed by teaching everyone only as fast as the dumbest kid in the class can learn. This next part could be pretty offensive, I know, but I'll say it anyway. If we are willing to spend a ton of money trying to prop up special education (and I think something like 40% of our total school budget went to special education), why not be willing to spend a little money to let kids who are ahead of the curve advance? Why is it ok to throw tons of money at the bottom end of the bell curve, and somehow wrong to spend some on those at the other end? (and yes I know my grammar sometimes makes me look like I should have been funded by that 40%... so let the insults fly, hehe) |
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But...we can't leave any child behind...that would be unamerican! Winner of the prestigious "Yotsuya's Gold Star Writer of the Week" animated gif award.
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Ralack- You are right. I agree with your thought that honors and gifted students should be challenged, but I'm not sure their needs are as great as that bottom group. If one of the purposes of school is to get students ready for the world of work, that lower level needs all the help they can get. That's a beautiful way to go. Shot by Yot. In more ways than one. -mgns
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We watched The Name of the Rose in my high school senior English class. What sucks that our teacher almost got fired for it (instead he got a week suspension with no pay) because there was a scene involving sex. I had a teacher show us A Clockwork Orange to us in high school uneditied. I do not think permission slips went out and there was no controversy. |
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#108 yotsuya Ralack- You are right. I agree with your thought that honors and gifted students should be challenged, but I'm not sure their needs are as great as that bottom group. If one of the purposes of school is to get students ready for the world of work, that lower level needs all the help they can get. I agree with yot here. Gifted kids are more likely to have that drive to begin with. If not, then they wouldn't have enrolled in the honors course in the first place. You can easily challenge an honors/gifted kid by simply providing them with a higher level of learning. The kids on the bottom of the bell curve are often lacking motivation, and that's much tougher to provide. Winner of the prestigious "Yotsuya's Gold Star Writer of the Week" animated gif award.
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I agree with your thought that honors and gifted students should be challenged As someone who was one of those honors and gifted students, I disagree with your assertion that people like me should be challenged. The last fucking thing I'd have wanted in school was more work, or harder work. I liked coasting through school and getting good marks. I have no excuses, least of all for God. Like all tyrants, he is not worthy of the spit you would waste on negotiations. The deal we have is infinitely simpler - I don't call him to account, and he extends me the same courtesy.
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#111 Charles The last fucking thing I'd have wanted in school was more work, or harder work. I liked coasting through school and getting good marks. Then don't enroll in honors courses. Winner of the prestigious "Yotsuya's Gold Star Writer of the Week" animated gif award.
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We watched plenty of R-rated movies in my school without incident. In fact, I vividly remember watching an unedited "Jaws" in my third grade class. Hey, don't ask me. Fighting the war on weapons of mass destruction-related program activity.
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As someone who was one of those honors and gifted students, I disagree with your assertion that people like me should be challenged. The last fucking thing I'd have wanted in school was more work, or harder work. I liked coasting through school and getting good marks. Never thought I'd say this, but Amen, brother. I believe I can fly......urk.
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Bah! I detest pop science so much. Horizon is the worst repeat offender over here. Perhaps it has had a run on Discovery too... ? Alas it seems to have become the formula for all science and history programs. Every single episode has 55 minutes of utter dross. Any actual information you get during this period is provided in the most inane, roundabout, utterly speculative, human-interest way ("On the day of his great discovery, Newton may or may not have smoked a pipe before going out into his garden to examine his rose-bushes." Cue five minutes of Victorian re-enactment montage of people walking down a street in slow motion. Often with a blue tint.) Frequently, the science itself is not inaccurate or misrepresented, or the researchers have picked up on a colourful theory by some lunatic living in Nova Scotia, and present it to us as though it had the same merit as the most eminent of scholars. [mini rant] I watched a program on finding a real Robin Hood recently, presented by Tony Robinson (the guy who played Baldrick from Blackadder). Now, I've written a few papers on the Robin Hood tradition, and, aside from the whole purpose of the program being largely fatuous, I was enraged to see a guy being interviewed on the program who is well known in academic circles for being a total fantasist who happily fabricates sources to confirm his own barmy ideas. [/mini rant] Finally, once you've trawled through endless interviews with various unimportant people about how their "discoveries" make them "feel", and the ridiculous abstract montages, and frustratingly simplistic* or spurious explanations, you find five minutes at the end which tells you in compression everything you just heard. As such, I've taken to watching just the last five minutes of any science program that interests me. * I'm no genius, but these programs are made for people who struggle to zip up their flies. Honestly, I watched a critically lauded program on String theory recently, which I find fascinating, but the largest part of the first program was devoted to explaining what gravity is. Unk. |
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There's a difference between teaching different material and piling on homework. People like Jibble seem to think that gifted/honors should do the latter. My brother is a senior in HS now and he's been in those classes for years now and apparently his teachers also feel the same. They never take into account that every other class is giving the same large amount of work and thus my brother is always swamped with homework. At least this year they've apparently lessened the load, as getting college applications done and such take a much higher priority. -DKI(ID
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#109 CheesyPoof I had a teacher show us A Clockwork Orange to us in high school uneditied. I do not think permission slips went out and there was no controversy. You have got to be kidding me. Where did you go to school? How long ago was this? I am in Kyoto
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It was my experience going through school that 1.) I hated most of the fuckwads in my "honors/gifted/whatever" classes, most being annoying yuppie spawn, 2.) Aside from being more fun to hang out with, the kids in "regular" classes seemed to just get a lot more out of the high school experience, and 3.) The honors classes were 80% identical to the regular classes, the only real differences being preferential treatment by the teachers and an assload of lame busy work in the form of projects like making diaramas and stupid posters and models and all manner of stupid and horrible shit. Oh, and 9 out of every 10 honors students wants to be a lawyer. I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!
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My problem with the camera/directionality of the PoP controls where that the effect of your inputs would change on the fly as the camera moved cinematically. So I'd start at one end of a hallway presented in a somewhat isometric/diagonal fashion, with moving enemies I had to avoid down its length. I start moving in a sort of diagonal direction, because straight forward didn't actially move you down the corridor. Then as I move, the camera shifts, such that in order to move in a simple straight line, I had to constanly rejigger my input until I was finally moving forward (oh, and at this point the camera angle was so low, the moving spiky columns are actually obscuring my view of the prince and his position.). Bleah. |
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I confused the heck out of my headmaster at school. I'd cut a class, only to be found in the library studying text related to the same class. It took me years to really come to the realization that I loved learning but loathed school. I had deluded myself into thinking I'd liked it, because that's where so much learning happened. |
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Why on earth would you enroll in honors and gifted classes if you wanted to skate through school and get easy A's? I am in Kyoto
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#116 Greg There's a difference between teaching different material and piling on homework. People like Jibble seem to think that gifted/honors should do the latter. Funny, because I didn't say that... #110 Jibble You can easily challenge an honors/gifted kid by simply providing them with a higher level of learning. "Higher level of learning" != more homework. What I meant by that is that if you enroll in honors courses, you should be taught from an early college level textbook rather than a late high school level textbook. Thanks for putting words in my mouth, though. I do so savor them. Winner of the prestigious "Yotsuya's Gold Star Writer of the Week" animated gif award.
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I confused the heck out of my headmaster at school. I'd cut a class, only to be found in the library studying text related to the same class. It took me years to really come to the realization that I loved learning but loathed school. I had deluded myself into thinking I'd liked it, because that's where so much learning happened. Careful....you're starting to sound like me, and that can only end badly. I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!
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