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November 17th 2003, 16:55 CET by Squeaky There's going to be a new challenger in the graphics market: XGI. And they're looking to steal a piece of the graphics pie from nVidia and ATI. Tom's Hardware has a preview here. Let's look at some facts: *The company, formerly known as Xabre, was spun off from SIS graphics division *They aquired Trident's graphic subsidiary *PowerColor and Club-3D are planning to manufacture cards based on XGI's designs, and it is rumoured that Gigabyte and ABIT will be as well *They're planning a full range of products from enthusiest level right down to value level Another interesting thing is their dual-chip design. Rather than designing a more complex chip to compete with ATI and nVidia, they're slapping two chips on one PCB. You can read up on the downsides of this at Toms. Although this is a very early beta of the hardware, benchmarks do not look so promising. 3DMark and pre-recorded UT flybys are impressive. But the framerate takes a nose dive while actually playing games. As seen in both UT and Halo. The Volari Duo V8 Ultra leaves us with a very mixed first impression. Despite the prototype status of our sample and its driver, the card was able to produce some very respectable results in some areas. These highlights are clouded by the problems with texture filtering and the stark performance drop-offs in some benchmarks and games. XGI's driver team definitely has its work cut out for it. We can expect to see final boards with shipping status and WHQL drivers within the next one or two months, or so. That gives XGI's driver programmers a bit of time to iron out the kinks. So, do these guys have a chance, or will they end up dead in the water? |
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This thread exemplifies everything that is wrong with PC gaming. /me goes back to the corner Dood.
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And given the current state of 3D graphics, now's not a good time to be cutting your teeth on making 3D chipsets. I don't agree with this. With the near-extinction of the fixed graphics pipeline that we are now faced with, I think it actually opens the market up to newcomers more than it has been since 3dfx's blunders. With enough financiancing and adoption in Asia, I could see XGI being pretty successful. They won't be the choice for hardcore gamers or anything like that, but they aren't trying to be, and that market isn't even that big really (extremely vocal minority) as you can see from Nvidia's planned shift to focus more on OEM/embedded and less on the highend retail add-in cards. Comment Signature
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Not to derail the topic, exactly, but does anyone have any insight into PCI Express? Is it going to usher in a new golden era for video cards or will it just be a mild improvement over what we have now with AGP? I've poked around a few sites and haven't really gleaned much from them. "I don't bemoan the great paste" - LPMiller
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Moving to PCI Express will be a big and useful change, but it will be spread out so much that you won't notice it so much in any one specific area. In essence it will be similar to the jump from ISA to PCI, and it has a bit more to do with giving fast bus speeds to the *non*videocad devices in your system (very fast NICs, fast RAID storage, etc), which are currently starving on PCI while the graphics card gets the nice AGP bus. As far as graphics cards go, I wouldn't expect any huge noticable change above current AGP. Basically you'll be seeing "AGP16X" as opposed to the current AGP8 so extrapolate based on AGP2X->AGP4X->AGP8X differences (not much). Of course, *if* in the course of moving to PCI Express many motherboard makers start integrating good UMA (unified memory, shared between the graphics bus and CPU/system memory, ala the Xbox) support into their systems, things could improve a lot because of that. Comment Signature
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I think I'd be more interested in seeing this than the Paris Hilton video: LAS VEGAS (AP) - Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) Chairman Bill Gates has announced new junk e-mail filtering technology called SmartScreen at his keynote address at the annual Comdex trade show in Las Vegas. A humorous video was also prepared for the address, depicting Gates and chief executive Steve Ballmer in a spoof of the popular futuristic film, The Matrix. Gates took the role of spiritual guide Morpheus who gives Ballmer - playing Neo, the savior - an "innovation pill" to aid him in battling competitors. "YES!! You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games. Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
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Yeah, someone post this video already. I'm the spoon
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#31 yotsuya the Paris Hilton video: ed2k://|file|Paris.Hilton.Sex.tape.avi|351457280|2E572851959D18B5847B39108076687D|/I haven't downloaded this, but 850 sources can't be wrong. You want this for directing tips, right? "It was fucking RPGotY, fucker!"
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Well, she has to have SOME talent, right? Why else is she a "celebrity"? I think I hate the Hollywood/Entertainment Tonight Celebrity Machine as much as you do professional baseball. "YES!! You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games. Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
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Supposedly she just had some scene from her reality show cut, because she didn't want to embarass her parents. Has she reviewed her behavior, week in and week out over the past two years? |
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Paris Hilton's only real skill is in crashing parties, from what I've read. Duality [bunge shot bonus] +10G
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Crashing parties. Having inappropriate affairs. Embarassing herself in public. Etc. |
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But she has a rich daddy! She's noteworthy! <Bailey> Turnips! Potatoes! Animal husbandry! This is all I care about!
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Re: Volari: It doesn't look as bad as it could have, and I was actually surprised the company was able to produce something viable, in harsh contrast to, say, BitBoys Oi Nuttah. If they can crank out Volari Duo's at a low price, there's definitely a place for them in the budget market, IMHO. And from there, they can slowly work their way up, earn money for their R&D and eventually come up to par with Nvidia and ATI. Actually their starting status resembles ATI's position of a couple of years ago, and look where ATI got in the meantime. Just because they won't crush the competition with one swift stroke doesn't mean they can't eventually become a major player. Electroclash=love
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#36 Duality Paris Hilton's only real skill is in crashing parties, from what I've read. Her tape sucked, but Will Forte's sex tape rocks! 'Sup Warrun "..and Trolly McTroll is the best name EVER. I laugh every time I see it." - ZEP
" If i ever have a daughter, I'm going to name her Trolly. - The_Joker "Fuck are you stupid. Kiwi is a bird. Fucking moron. " - lwf |
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Well, I meant the Bill Gates video as I have no idea who Paris Hilton is. I'm the spoon
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#41 Matt Perkins Well, I meant the Bill Gates video as I have no idea who Paris Hilton is. Welcome to the Internet. Respawn Games
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hahah making fun of the internet is so funny. stupid internet. with your teeth to your lips and your head to the ground
hear the fish and they're makin' this sound sayin' "we just wanna go walkin' around, feel what it's like to fall down" |
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#43 lwf hahah making fun of the internet is so funny. stupid internet. Reading comprehension is vastly overrated. Rage against that machine, good sir! Respawn Games
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Have I mentioned Nocturne lately? I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!
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Yes, I believe you said 'shit' just yesterday. Dood.
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You make my heart sad, you know that don't you? I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!
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#45 Quickinfo: At least one of the artist from Nocturne works for 3DR now... It seems he is doing the modeling & texturing using normal mapping for DNF. *sigh*
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You got the right stuff, baby Love the way you turn me on You got the right stuff, baby You're the reason why I sing this song All that I needed was you Oh girl, you're so right Said all that I wanted was you You made all my dreams come true |
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I'd never heard of Paris Hilton before last week, and I still don't care enough to download the video. It's not like she's the sexiest woman alive or something, why would I want to see amateur porn of some rich chick? |
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#50 Shadarr I'd never heard of Paris Hilton before last week, and I still don't care enough to download the video. It's not like she's the sexiest woman alive or something, why would I want to see amateur porn of some rich chick? You are no man at all, but a facade in a skin suit. <Bailey> Turnips! Potatoes! Animal husbandry! This is all I care about!
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#50 Shadarr I'd never heard of Paris Hilton before last week, and I still don't care enough to download the video. It's not like she's the sexiest woman alive or something, why would I want to see amateur porn of some rich chick? Because you can. And besides, all the cool kids are doing it... Respawn Games
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Shadarr's words are also mine, although I have no idea what the girl looks like. Dood.
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Ok, this thread's gone to hell, so I might as well... I'm having trouble whenever I'm browsing a directory with larger files. For example, and this is right out of the blue, the season 9 folder under my Friends dir... Explorer.exe starts hogging my cpu and stops responding. Anyone know what could be the problem? Then smokestacks reachin' like the arms of god
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Install Windows XP SP1, it's a well-known problem. Electroclash=love
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She's physically doable, but I wouldn't fuck her with a stolen dick, she's a level 99 skank. with your teeth to your lips and your head to the ground
hear the fish and they're makin' this sound sayin' "we just wanna go walkin' around, feel what it's like to fall down" |
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And I think installing SP1 is the only way around it. I can't install SP1 with my particular 'version' of Win XP and Windowsupdate doesn't offer a standalone patch for the problem. Electroclash=love
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I have this problem too on some of my drives where I have a complex directory tree located on the drive. The only way I've figured out how to work around it is to use the arrow keys to navigate in Explorer instead of clicking with the mouse. It's annoying, but damn if it doesn't work. I'd say if not that, then try to simplify the dir tree on that drive a little. Making files too deep on it can cause some weird Windows issues. Otherwise, good luck. (P.S. You watch Friends ha ha ha) <Bailey> Turnips! Potatoes! Animal husbandry! This is all I care about!
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You might try re-installing direct-x. with your teeth to your lips and your head to the ground
hear the fish and they're makin' this sound sayin' "we just wanna go walkin' around, feel what it's like to fall down" |
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#57 Gunp01nt And I think installing SP1 is the only way around it. I can't install SP1 with my particular 'version' of Win XP and Windowsupdate doesn't offer a standalone patch for the problem. [Obligatory OMGWAREZ comment] <Bailey> Turnips! Potatoes! Animal husbandry! This is all I care about!
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NetLimiter rocks. Time to fire up the credit card and register my copy already, because this thing is heavenly. sunny days have funny ways of quieting the roar
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Somewhere Bill Gates sits with an empty stomach, crying because of you warez monkeys. Comment Signature
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There's apparently a hack to install SP1 on the corporate version of XP. I haven't tried it yet, on account of I'm not running XP, but I've heard it can be done. |
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I'm running sp1, but I'm gonna take a drive down update-lane and install whatever I haven't already. "E:\series\friends\season 01\s01e01 . tow it all began.avi" - how deep is too deep? Then smokestacks reachin' like the arms of god
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#39 by Gunp01nt If they can crank out Volari Duo's at a low price, there's definitely a place for them in the budget market, IMHO. And from there, they can slowly work their way up, earn money for their R&D and eventually come up to par with Nvidia and ATI. That'd be great if they where doing that but they aren't. The Duo's (the only cards they've announced a price for) are still $450 cards and from the looks performance test not quite up to what is necessary for a segment that put performance before price (add in the fact it does very well in benchmarks but fails horribly in even games based on the same engines and what that hints at isn't going to sit well with the benchmark driver hack allegations flying back and forth between ATI and Nvidia now). They could have a chance at the low end, but with a dx8 part they aren't offering anything you can't get else where right now. Rather sad since they would need great performance to beat Nividia's dx9 part (the only sub $100 dx9 part available, even if it's too slow to run dx9 games anyway). They may well have a hope at the midrange market, but I'm wondering if Valve shitfuckery with HL2 didn't dry up that market already. #57 by Gunp01nt And I think installing SP1 is the only way around it. I can't install SP1 with my particular 'version' of Win XP and Windowsupdate doesn't offer a standalone patch for the problem. You can and google is your friend belive me. |
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#50 Shadarr I'd never heard of Paris Hilton before last week, and I still don't care enough to download the video. It's not like she's the sexiest woman alive or something, why would I want to see amateur porn of some rich chick? I thought you guys were talking about a hotel... it's my onion and you can't change it!
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More people have been in Paris Hilton than the Paris Hilton. |
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None-1a You can and google is your friend belive me. w00t! thx. Electroclash=love
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They could have a chance at the low end, but with a dx8 part they aren't offering anything you can't get else where right now. Rather sad since they would need great performance to beat Nividia's dx9 part (the only sub $100 dx9 part available, even if it's too slow to run dx9 games anyway). then again, most people hardly even know what DX9 is, and you might as well stick with a DX8 card because the games that already use DX9 functions to some extent are scarce. By the time DX9 becomes widely used, most people are already up for their next video card upgrade. I don't think XGI's non-supporting DX9 yet will have much impact on sales. Do note that the Volari cards that have been tested are still beta versions, with beta drivers. Just take a look at ATI and Nvidia to see how it is possible to increase performace over time with better drivers. I think XGI definitely has a shot, but they need some time and money to develop their products. AFAIK that was the whole reason behind the splitting the graphics division away from SiS: to allow it to grow more and earn its own money. Electroclash=love
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Just take a look at ATI and Nvidia to see how it is possible to * increase performamce over time with better drivers. *dramatically Electroclash=love
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I'm thinking of getting a DVD player for my girlfriend for christmas. She's not going to need anything fancy like optical output or Dolby 10.2 surround sound, although playing VCDs might be a nice feature. So, what's a good, cheap unit? |
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#72 Shadarr I'm thinking of getting a DVD player for my girlfriend for christmas. She's not going to need anything fancy like optical output or Dolby 10.2 surround sound, although playing VCDs might be a nice feature. So, what's a good, cheap unit? This site will likely help you more than all of our advice combined. Pioneer makes great units, but if you're going for cost benefit without much worry about quailty, I'd say go with an Apex unit. You can snag one for around $50 and they play damn near everything. <Bailey> Turnips! Potatoes! Animal husbandry! This is all I care about!
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because the games that already use DX9 functions to some extent are scarce. Yeah, I continue to be amused by all the hype and webforum rants regarding whose DX9 parts do or do not suck when the issue is largely irrelevant at this time. What are you (as a gamer) going to do with good DX9 support anyway? Play Tomb Raider: AOD? Comment Signature
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I like to play Tomb Raider: AOD all the time, it's just about the only thing I ever do. with your teeth to your lips and your head to the ground
hear the fish and they're makin' this sound sayin' "we just wanna go walkin' around, feel what it's like to fall down" |
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A bit out of the ordinary per DVD players (and admittedly, probably not what your girlfriend would need), but my brother picked up this transportable DVD player a while back. And loves it. Supports pretty much every format you're looking to use from VCD1.1/2.0 to MP3 and, as far as he's seen, all DVD writable formats. Its superb if you're big into foreign formats (being region free, supports NTSC and PAL), especially if you like traveling. Even has an FM transmitter if you don't want to mess with audio cables. The only place I've seen it sold at was J-List, though. Duality [bunge shot bonus] +10G
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