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Gamespy for sale
October 23rd 2003, 23:36 CEST by Quicken

Rumours are that Gamespy is on the market and there is no shortage of interested buyers.

Of course it's hardly substantiated since it seems NY Post is the only place running the story. But I can see there'd be plenty of interest and probably no better time to sell. I wouldn't even be surprised if the "unnamed major portal" was Yahoo. Would new owners bring a whole new world of grief to us or is GSI corporate enough already that no one would notice the difference. Let the Gamespy bashing begin!
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#7 by Shadarr
2003-10-23 23:44:28
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Would new owners bring a whole new world of grief to us or is GSI corporate enough already that no one would notice the difference.


That second thing.
#8 by Warren Marshall
2003-10-23 23:44:56
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
#5 Matt Perkins
Why sell?  Unless you are just tired of running the site and services, why sell?  I hear it's profitable...

Because you'll never have to work again?  Just a random guess off the top of my head...

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#9 by Your Friend
2003-10-24 00:02:34

I'll buy that for a dollar.


Sounds like you're overpaying.

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#10 by Gunp01nt
2003-10-24 00:11:57
supersimon33@hotmail.com
#9 Your Friend

I'll buy that for a dollar.


Sounds like you're overpaying.


indeed. A free leslie sounds like a much better deal.

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#11 by jafd
2003-10-24 00:39:46
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1000033180
Perhaps they're looking to sell because a dedicated server browser is, or soon will be, about as useful as an 8-track player?

I guess their choice advertising demographic will always be in demand.

"You do not truly know someone until you fight them."
#12 by None-1a
2003-10-24 00:44:33
Maybe they aren't looking to sell at all. The discussions could be all one sided or they could just be seeing what the companies would be willing to pay (both aren't exactly uncommon).
#13 by Caryn
2003-10-24 00:47:50
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
#11 jafd
Perhaps they're looking to sell because a dedicated server browser is, or soon will be, about as useful as an 8-track player?


A dedicated server browser doesn't seem to have been their driving product now for at least a year, and other services the web site offers appear to be much more profitable for them. So I'd say that they probably agree with you, but they figured that out a couple of years ago and made something else about themselves far more attractive now. Something that appears to be working well for them.

"I'll sell you the idea for $50,000 and you can go from game developer zero to game developer hero." - Leslie
#14 by jafd
2003-10-24 00:49:04
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1000033180
#13 Caryn
Something that appears to be working well for them.

I couldn't agree more!

"You do not truly know someone until you fight them."
#15 by jjohnsen
2003-10-24 00:58:20
http://www.johnsenclan.com
I don't visit the site very often, what services do they offer besides the gamespy software and downloads?
#16 by Bailey
2003-10-24 01:00:11
Generic articles about gaming, people in the industry, hottest video game character... material of substance.

Scorn is a virtue.
#17 by Caryn
2003-10-24 01:01:19
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
#15 jjohnsen
I don't visit the site very often, what services do they offer besides the gamespy software and downloads?


FilePlanet Personal Server, Founder's Club, ad removal from the site, and I think there's some more in there somewhere.

"I'll sell you the idea for $50,000 and you can go from game developer zero to game developer hero." - Leslie
#18 by Shadarr
2003-10-24 01:05:48
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Which is to say, the exact same shit everyone else is pushing.
#19 by BobJustBob
2003-10-24 01:07:51
Wow, it's a new thread. I've already looked at new posts in this topic three or four times without noticing that.

Dood.
#20 by "gamespy-employee"
2003-10-24 01:10:26
the rumors are false, gamespy is not up for sale...   isn't the ny post almost considered a tabloid?
#21 by Caryn
2003-10-24 01:13:49
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
#18 Shadarr
Which is to say, the exact same shit everyone else is pushing.


Eh, I'm not so sure. Are they? As a gamer and purely from that standpoint, GameSpy seems to have the most attractive model to me. Rather than withholding content from me and asking me to pay to get it, they're offering extra services and content in an effort to entice you to pay. And giving you more stuff to get your money is a far better model, in my opinion, than withholding it and using that to get you to pay. But I say all that not having researched all of the competing models to their fullest extent; I could be wrong.

"I'll sell you the idea for $50,000 and you can go from game developer zero to game developer hero." - Leslie
#22 by Bailey
2003-10-24 01:19:10
Caryn

Maybe you should submit a topic so we can collect feedback about various gaming website formats.

Scorn is a virtue.
#23 by Squeaky
2003-10-24 01:20:07
#22 Bailey
Caryn

Maybe you should submit a topic so we can collect feedback about various gaming website formats.

They're all stupid and horrible.

JUSTIN BAILEY
DVDs
#24 by Shadarr
2003-10-24 01:22:57
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I was referring to the content itself.  You've got previews, reviews, screenshots, downloads, features, interviews, and pointless top 50 lists.  Is any of that particularly unique?  If Gamespy were to completely disappear tomorrow, how much impact would it really have?

I can't see any reason to pay for something that I can get elsewhere for free.  When I want a review, I usually hit Gamespot first just because they at least hire literate writers, but next I go to google and type "game name review".  The shear volume of hits ought to tell you just how commoditized gaming site content has become.
#25 by Bailey
2003-10-24 01:28:26
If Gamespy were to completely disappear tomorrow, how much impact would it really have?

Someone else would have to release a bloated match-making service for Counterstrike players?

Scorn is a virtue.
#26 by Caryn
2003-10-24 01:30:34
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
#24 Shadarr
I was referring to the content itself.  You've got previews, reviews, screenshots, downloads, features, interviews, and pointless top 50 lists.  Is any of that particularly unique?  If Gamespy were to completely disappear tomorrow, how much impact would it really have?


Warning: corporate shilling up ahead.

Sure, the content is all similar. But in order for everyone to be profitable, they all have to find a way to make money with it, and the one that wins is the one that finds the best way to get money from its audience. So they're all implementing models that make some of their site unlockable content (haHA!). So it's a matter of deciding which way to get that unlockable content you prefer.

I know I'm rehashing everything we all know, but here goes anyway. Compare three sites, GameSiteX, GameSiteY and GameSpy. Both sites offer a file for download. In order to even get the file at all from GameSiteX, let's say you have to pay $4.95 a month. Period. Otherwise, you don't get to download the file from GameSiteX. GameSiteY has the file for free, no restrictions at all. GameSpy has the file for free, but if you don't want to wait in line to get it, you can pay $X per month to get it really fast, plus for that money you get other stuff: no ads on the network, first crack at special beta opportunities, etc.

GameSiteY is probably going to burn through their bandwidth and eventually have to resort to a model similar to GameSiteX's or something else. It's just a fact of living on the net, really. I suppose you could argue that new GameSiteY's will always spring up, and they will. But the average gamer doesn't go hunting these new ones down. They find ones they like and stick with it. Usually highly visible ones, like GameSpy.

GameSiteX is keeping the content from you by requiring you to pay for it at all. GameSpy is letting you download it, but you could download it faster AND get lots of perks with it. Which is the more appealing model when the most visible sites are all applying some kind of model to monetize their content? GameSpy's looks like it to me, it looks like it to the casual gamer, I'm guessing, and it looks like it to any potential buyers, and that's what we're talking about here.

"I'll sell you the idea for $50,000 and you can go from game developer zero to game developer hero." - Leslie
#27 by Caryn
2003-10-24 01:34:26
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
By the way, the previous post was just meant to reinforce the fact that while all the major game sites are trying implement models to monetize their content, GameSpy's looks like the most attractive model from the casual gamer standpoint and not when you're a jaded PlanetCrap poster.

I also admit that I might not know about a lot of GameSpot's GameSpot Complete perks that could compete with GameSpy's model, but since the article is about rumors having to do with GameSpy being nice and attractive enough to buy, that's sort of where I was going with it.

I guess I kind of lost my train of thought, really.

"I'll sell you the idea for $50,000 and you can go from game developer zero to game developer hero." - Leslie
#28 by Shadarr
2003-10-24 01:40:24
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I don't make decisions based on business models.  From a business perspective, maybe they're doing the right thing.  But from my perspective as a lazy fuck killing time on the internet, Gamespy gets a big "whatever".
#29 by Bailey
2003-10-24 01:41:24
Caryn

In keeping in tune with your claim that the casual gamer is not so discerning to dismiss Gamespy with a haughty sniff ala Crapper, do you really believe they're so carefully weighing the pros and cons of one gaming site subscription over the next? I'm sensing a double-standard in your evaluation here.

Scorn is a virtue.
#30 by Caryn
2003-10-24 01:45:44
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
#29 Bailey
In keeping in tune with your claim that the casual gamer is not so discerning to dismiss Gamespy with a haughty sniff ala Crapper, do you really believe they're so carefully weighing the pros and cons of one gaming site subscription over the next? I'm sensing a double-standard in your evaluation here.


I'm not so sure where the double standard is. Point it out to me so I'm clear and I'll address the rest.

"I'll sell you the idea for $50,000 and you can go from game developer zero to game developer hero." - Leslie
#31 by Squeaky
2003-10-24 01:48:23
Google search

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#32 by jjohnsen
2003-10-24 01:49:17
http://www.johnsenclan.com
I already subscribe to GAmespot Complete, and it sounds almost the same.  It is a good model, offer everything, but priority status or higher quality movies when you pay.  I doubt I'll renew next time it comes up because there hasn't been a demo or high-profile game movie that I haven't seen pop uo with a torrant link.
#33 by OwenButler
2003-10-24 01:49:18
http://blog.owenbutler.org/
I honestly think the only thing gamespy have to offer over other competing sites is better marketing/branding.  That is worth a lot to a potential buyer, so good on em.
#34 by Caryn
2003-10-24 01:49:37
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
I think I'm a bit slow on the uptake today. I see what you mean.

The discernment comes about when talking about the big three (and now for with 1UP) and "everyone else". Few casual gamers know about "everyone else". We at PC know about them because we are more hardcore, to use a term some people hate. But I'm betting that there is enough visibility of the big three that the casual gamer knows about them and is willing to discern among them which is the better deal when those deals mean whether or not they get something (i.e., you have to pick one).

I'm not really too tied to this idea, though, so you could probably easily argue me out of it.

"I'll sell you the idea for $50,000 and you can go from game developer zero to game developer hero." - Leslie
#35 by jjohnsen
2003-10-24 01:50:45
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Gamespy isn't even on the first page of that google search?  Thats strange.  Strange and sad when you see ign is actually at the top of the list.
#36 by Squeaky
2003-10-24 01:51:53
I just think it's funny that Happy Puppy is in the top three of all the searches for video games.

JUSTIN BAILEY
DVDs
#37 by Squeaky
2003-10-24 01:54:22
#35 jjohnsen
Gamespy isn't even on the first page of that google search?  Thats strange.  Strange and sad when you see ign is actually at the top of the list.

That's because Google has Gamespy listed as a browser and not a website.

Searching for Gamespy Search shows you that their in the Games > Internet > Browser Based > Directories category and not Games > Video Games > News and Reviews

JUSTIN BAILEY
DVDs
#38 by Squeaky
2003-10-24 01:55:22
#37 Squeaky
#35 jjohnsen
Gamespy isn't even on the first page of that google search?  Thats strange.  Strange and sad when you see ign is actually at the top of the list.

That's because Google has Gamespy listed as a browser and not a website

durr... browser based games site and not news website

JUSTIN BAILEY
DVDs
#39 by DEATH KILLER INTERNATIONAL (INTERGALACTIC DIVISION
2003-10-24 01:58:26
deathkillerint@hotmail.com
GAYmspy!! LORFL!!!

/me high-fives <insert recently deceased celebrity here>
#40 by Bailey
2003-10-24 02:05:39
I'm not really too tied to this idea, though, so you could probably easily argue me out of it.

You're on! We'll meet at the non-corporate coffee house to rail about the system and consumerism!

The way I see it, your Joe Average, undiscerning online gamer will probably subscribe to whatever site he enjoys reading. Whether that's the pre-teen pandering of IGN, the bouffant meanderings of the Gamespy crowd, or the sterile extolling of Gamespot, he doesn't want to venture too far from home base. It's like with mondo stores. Sure, I can go to the corner store for groceries, the hardware store for tools, and the sporting goods place for a cheapass gun that falls apart in my hands the first time I try to go on a rampage... OR, I can go to Walmart and get everything in one trip. Exclusive releases last about a half hour unless legally enforced, and claims of super-fast file transfers for elite, members-only service customers don't hold up too well in practice. It seems more likely that most folk will just throw down for whatever's close and convenient.

My TOOMA*, in any case.

* - The T is for theorem.

Scorn is a virtue.
#41 by Desiato
2003-10-24 02:15:00
desiato_hotblack@hotmail.com http://www.spew2.com/
Did someone say CashSpy?

I have gotten to the point where GameSpy continuing to exist doesn't grate on my nerves, they're just playing the net-marketing card like everyone else. I know where I can get news without a lot of ads, etc.. so they don't anger me like they used to.

...like the color of a tv screen tuned to a dead channel.
#42 by G-Man
2003-10-24 04:55:10
Uh Des... what's up with this page?
#43 by Greg
2003-10-24 05:04:07
The girl on the left of that page is not Happy Cow. Happy Cow may not even be female.

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We are OK.
#44 by Desiato
2003-10-24 05:06:33
desiato_hotblack@hotmail.com http://www.spew2.com/
I left it up there for m0nty, really.

Just an archive of an earlier time when cows were cows...or something.

...like the color of a tv screen tuned to a dead channel.
#45 by OwenButler
2003-10-24 05:35:01
http://blog.owenbutler.org/
#44

I went to that page, saw that you linked to OMM, clicked it for old times sake.  It seems that a lot of the old content is still there but no new updates.  I checked this article for kicks.  It's still damn funny.  I miss OMM.
#46 by Squeaky
2003-10-24 07:05:03
is that a heatsink in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?

JUSTIN BAILEY
DVDs
#47 by Squeaky
2003-10-24 07:08:36
the rest of the article
After running through all of our tests, the GeForce FX 5950 Ultra and 9800XT go head to head in most of the benchmarks and end up trading places back and forth quite a bit.  As for an overall winner there isn’t one.  ATI and Nvidia will have to share the performance crown this time around when it comes to the high end cards.  One positive thing about new video cards is that it will drive prices down on previous generations and make some cards more affordable for people who were eyeing them but also watching their wallets.


JUSTIN BAILEY
DVDs
#48 by Quicken
2003-10-24 07:14:08
gdunn@backmeup.net.au
Gamespy has a big enough recognition both online and offline that's a brand well worth buying. And while the model may be good enough to keep them going long into the future the competition is going to start getting tough. That makes now a good time to sell, get the cash, and retire happily while someone else competes with gamespot/ign for web content. Perhaps even competition for the tech provided to developers competiting with Microsoft.

Even if it's all just a rumour it's one Gamespy would be wise to pay attention to it. It's always nice to know who wants in on the market. They could become investors, buyers or competition.
#49 by Bailey
2003-10-24 09:32:25
Gamespy has a big enough recognition both online and offline that's a brand well worth buying.

Please name as least five ways people recognize Gamespy in an offline context.

Scorn is a virtue.
#50 by Squeaky
2003-10-24 09:48:43
#49 Bailey
Gamespy has a big enough recognition both online and offline that's a brand well worth buying.

Please name as least five ways people recognize Gamespy in an offline context.

Boothbabes. Fargo is hot!

JUSTIN BAILEY
DVDs
#51 by Trolly McTroll
2003-10-24 15:30:10
If I owned GameSpy I would have already killed myself in shame knowing I've ripped off many talented people in order to promote my lazy untalented ass and profit off the sweat of others.  I'd make sure to buy some cool sunglasses first though.  

How would I kill myself?  I'm not sure, but it would probably be a quick death, like shotgun to the head.

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#52 by Jibble
2003-10-24 16:26:42
Keep in mind I hate reality TV of all kinds.

New Surreal Life season includes the following people:  Eric Estrada, Ron Jeremy, and Vanilla Ice.

God hates us.

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#53 by TrodKnee
2003-10-24 17:45:28
trodknee@planetunreal.com http://www.planetunreal.com/unrealgod
I love reality shows. They are games after all. Weird, twisted social experiments, with blurry goals (the stated 'win the game' vs. fame whoring), but games nonetheless.

I finally finished Fall of Max Payne, I'm really torn on this game. Loved the story, way better than the first. Great graphics and sound and music, scored a 10 for aesthetics. Hated the combat. Other than a couple small exceptions, there was only one way to get through the game...plow straight ahead through hordes of bad guys spamming the bullet time and reloading quick saves once you have seen the layout. I'm a pretty good shooter but found the game frustratingly difficult for having only the one setting to begin with. Bullet time can be fun but not when it has to be used constantly, why not just play the entire game in slow motion. This may actually be a game that suffers from AI that is too good...

Also well into / almost finished with Gothic 2. Great game, but I'm not sure if I will be able to finish it. It hurts. I don't neccesarily mind having to run back and forth across long distances in RPG's like this one, but if you are going to make a player run long distances in your game, there is an often overlooked feature that I feel is just as important as Save Anywhere:

AUTORUN. I cannot overstate how important this feature is to me. See, I have been playing guitar for nearly 20 years now, and often suffer from Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. I know, it's not a very sympathetic medical issue, only those who suffer from it really understand how painful and dehabilitating it can be. Having to hold down the 'move forward' key constantly while playing a game is an ergonomic nightmare.

If anyone has read this far...Does anyone know of a key press utility program that allows you to toggle the up/down state instead of holding down a key constantly?

Scroll past this line:
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#54 by Bailey
2003-10-24 17:52:47
If anyone has read this far...Does anyone know of a key press utility program that allows you to toggle the up/down state instead of holding down a key constantly?

It's called a ball bearing.

Scorn is a virtue.
#55 by Matt Perkins
2003-10-24 17:53:16
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
I like some reality shows, though my wife gets into them more than I do.  That being said, the Joe Schmo show on SpikeTV is GREAT.  It's very hilarious as all of the people except a guy named Matt pretend to be contestants on the show all trying to win some money and make to the end.  They keep Fing with the guy and he keeps doing things to surprise them.  It's at the end of the show now (one last episode coming) and he still doesn't know it's a fake.

I hope he doesn't kill everyone when he finds out it's not real.  :)

#56 by Caryn
2003-10-24 17:59:55
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
Joe Shmoe is exactly everything I hate about reality TV shows. You can make the argument that anyone who goes on one of those shows deserves what they get, but ultimately all they are is broadcast humiliation. I'll admit I watched some of the first Joe Millionaire. But since then, it's just appalling to see how many people get off on watching others be humiliated on national television.

"I'll sell you the idea for $50,000 and you can go from game developer zero to game developer hero." - Leslie
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