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The End of the Exclusive?
August 30th 2003, 23:18 CEST by JMCDaveL

So on Thursday pretty much every gaming site that hosts downloads banded together against Gamespy's exclusive on the Call of Duty demo. After thousands of sweating hamburger stained forum dwellers screamed "NO YUO~!!!" in unison, Activision has decided to release the demo to everyone... early at that. So, does this mean that anytime Gamespy gets special attention then the interweb militia will take up arms and cry until Gamespy has to share its toys again? Also, will the idiots who set nasty emails to Caryn over this die a horrible death involving knitting needles and a hummer?
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#133 by lwf
2003-09-02 10:57:28
Well, he did have a -HUALARGHLAHAGUAHGUHHH (mauled by Bailey)

Nothing was broken and nothin was hurt but I really probably shoulda been at work,
But if my free time was gone would you promise me this, will you please bury me with it
#134 by G-Man
2003-09-02 12:13:09
I guess he really did have a death wish.
#135 by deadlock
2003-09-02 12:15:43
http://www.deadlocked.org/
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I haven't heard that one!*

Disclaimer: I have. A hundred fucking times. Everytime Bronson's death is mentioned, in fact. I was also contend that since he died of natural causes at the age of 81, he did not, in fact, have a death wish.

"You know you are doing art when everyone has an opinion of what you're doing." - Lexx, creator of the supremely stupid Doom for Columbine mod.
#136 by deadlock
2003-09-02 12:16:32
http://www.deadlocked.org/
Oh wait, that was the joke! Sorry G-Man.

"You know you are doing art when everyone has an opinion of what you're doing." - Lexx, creator of the supremely stupid Doom for Columbine mod.
#137 by deadlock
2003-09-02 12:16:55
http://www.deadlocked.org/
Actually I'm not, because it was a shit joke.

"You know you are doing art when everyone has an opinion of what you're doing." - Lexx, creator of the supremely stupid Doom for Columbine mod.
#138 by Matt Davis
2003-09-02 12:46:12
http://looroll.com
You suck.

Troll, troll, troll your post, gently down the page...
#139 by m0nty
2003-09-02 13:30:10
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
And that's what makes deadlock awesome.
#140 by Warren Marshall
2003-09-02 14:36:40
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Eric
So what should we expect to see in Unreal Tournament 2004?

Do I REALLY have to clarify that I was talking about story driven, single player games?

Respawn Games
Open your mind, let the beatings begin.
#141 by LPMiller
2003-09-02 14:51:24
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Well, it's Eric, so you'll need to link it first.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#142 by Neale
2003-09-02 15:07:46
neale@pimurho.co.uk www.pimurho.co.uk
While wearing a skirt.

You can't derail this train of idiocy, Shadarr. Not even with a big fat cow of logic on the tracks. - Bailey
#143 by Sgt Hulka
2003-09-02 16:11:49
Hulka has been displaced.

Before anyone thinks I've been abducted by a UFO (again), I wanted to let you all know I'm knee deep in shit. Literally.

That's right.  Yesterday, the great 10" of rain backed the sewer system up and my house was flooded from the toilet and shower.  I have 3 to 4 foot of piss and shit in the lower portion of my tri-level home.  Needless to say, my computers are ruined.  We didn't have much time to get stuff out at all.

We'll, I'm off to find a place to live.

Doomed! the Movie - Videogames Turn Deadly...
#144 by LPMiller
2003-09-02 16:17:43
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Oh that sucks. Having experienced that in a place I rented many years ago, there is nothing, NOTHING worse then waking up, opening up the bedroom door and stepping right into 3 feet of body waste.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#145 by deadlock
2003-09-02 16:25:24
http://www.deadlocked.org/
Hmmm... I'm trying to commiserate with Hulka without making any bad puns. That's er... crap? no... shite? no... er... really really not nice?

Seriously though Hulka, sorry to hear that, hope you get sorted out soon.

"You know you are doing art when everyone has an opinion of what you're doing." - Lexx, creator of the supremely stupid Doom for Columbine mod.
#146 by Phayyde
2003-09-02 16:43:16
I'm buying UT2Kx sight unseen.  UT2Kx-1 was good to me.  I also want to support the ongoing development of deathmatch.  

I rarely have large blocks of time to devote to gaming.  When I do have large blocks of time, I'd rather burn it on something that will last.  Something substantial you can walk away with and pick up years later.  

So it's valuable to me to jump into a game and live a few moments of compact, high action, rapid-fire story with no arbitrary "work" required.  No commitment.  Just frags.  Laffs.  Trashtalk.  Then, back to work.  For me, this year at least, UT2Kx is a great fit.

...where x=4.

Beat to fit, paint to match.
#147 by Darkseid-D
2003-09-02 16:51:25
rogerboal@hotmail.com
Aw Hulka, sorry to hear about your misfortune.

Still, heres hoping that householders insurance will pony up for you, so you can replace what you lost and have a spiffy shiny pc, instead of the piece of shi... oh dear punning and not even meaning to :\

Anyway, so long as the family is ok, thats the important bit, things are just things and can be replaced !

Do not go gently into that good night.
Old age should burn and rage at the close of day.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
#148 by Charles
2003-09-02 16:58:13
www.bluh.org
#109 Darkseid-D
actually youre semi wrong there ..

there are several places where if you pay attention you can get flanking positions on the enemy units


Yes, I know that.  I fully explored every aspect of the map.  Those flanking positions were nice, but completely gratuitous and required no effort in order to spot and use.

#110 Warren Marshall
It's the classic problem ... do you give the player a heavily scripted game that is linear or do you let them roam freely and have less cool things to see?

No game developer wants to spend time creating content that a large portion of their players won't see.  It's just bad economics.

It's a far better use of time to give the player the best, most cinematic experience possible.  Most times, that translates into a linear style game.  Such is life.


I guess I wasn't clear enough.  I wasn't asking for non linearity in any fashion.  If you've followed my posts, you'd realize I'm the last person who'd wish for that.  However, what I meant by a more complete environment would be being able to do something like shooting through a fence in order to sneak up on the enemy.  I think the biggest failings in these games is that you can machine gun a chair, table, fence, and nothing happens.  Things like the WW2 experience have been done to death, and I've played so much of it that I need a more complete reality inside the game to continue to be totally entertained.

It's annoying to know where the enemy is, and see what could have been a potential alternate solution, if only the developers had taken the time to put a little more thought in to the level.  

While I don't specifically want a GTA3 style experience (I didn't like GTA3 btw), it WOULD be nice (and new) to have a complete area filled with enemies, and allow you to solve the issue however you wanted.  In the exact case of Call of Duty, I found the so called 'cinematic experience' to be mostly a waste anyway; since the AI required that I do absolutely everything to progress.  Their addition, because of this, became mostly superficial.  Which was probably why you could gun down your whole team for fun (except the captain who regenerates health and can't be killed), and still complete the level just fine.  

I understand the reasons for doing what they did, but I really think they sort of approached from a poor direction.

How many it had cost in the amassing, what blood and sorrow, what good ships scuttled on the deep, what brave men walking the plank blindfold, what shot of cannon, what shame and lies and cruelty, perhaps no man alive could tell.
#149 by Charles
2003-09-02 17:00:40
www.bluh.org
Well, poor direction for me anyway.  I'm pretty sure the game will be a wild success among most gamers.

How many it had cost in the amassing, what blood and sorrow, what good ships scuttled on the deep, what brave men walking the plank blindfold, what shot of cannon, what shame and lies and cruelty, perhaps no man alive could tell.
#150 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-09-02 17:09:58
erictcheng@hotmail.com
Do I REALLY have to clarify that I was talking about story driven, single player games?


Okay, Unreal 2 then?

Kilt Wearing Pixel Pushing Monkey Boy
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#151 by Warren Marshall
2003-09-02 17:11:23
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
#150 Eric T. Cheng
Do I REALLY have to clarify that I was talking about story driven, single player games?


Okay, Unreal 2 then?

So I'm to blame for Unreal2 now?

Respawn Games
Open your mind, let the beatings begin.
#152 by Matt Davis
2003-09-02 17:13:19
http://looroll.com
The sooner you learn this the better.

Troll, troll, troll your post, gently down the page...
#153 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-09-02 17:15:33
erictcheng@hotmail.com
So I'm to blame for Unreal2 now?


No, just The Wheel of Time.

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DVD Collection
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#154 by Matt Perkins
2003-09-02 17:15:43
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Things like the WW2 experience have been done to death, and I've played so much of it that I need a more complete reality inside the game to continue to be totally entertained.

This I can agree with.  The game is very locked into not only "do this objective now" sort of gameplay, but it only allows you one way to do that objective (flanking doesn't really count as another way if it's the way you are supposed to do it).

Sure, I'll follow objectives, I'll go with troops, and I'll have a good time doing it.  But I'd sure love if there were multiple ways to solve each objective.  If I could blow a hole through a wall, bring a building down with some explosives, climb over a 3 foot high fence.

Linear games have their place, just as non-linear games do.  But extreme straight lines will lose the fun factor sooner or later.


I find myself agreeing with Charles more and more.  It's like some crack I just can't give up.  Maybe underneath his general "I'm a jerk" exterior, he actually has good sense.  Who'd of thunk it.  :)  Or maybe I have same problems Chucky does...now that's scary.

"I'm an extreme programmer. I don't plan anything when I code."- Lord Nekrull
#155 by Sgt Hulka
2003-09-02 17:15:54
Thanks guys.  You'd be surprised to find out my insurance company doesn't cover floods, but since this was as sewage backup, I'll get a small fee to clean up and replace some stuff, but it's nowhere near the amount of damage.

you can read more stories about the mess in Indiana

Doomed! the Movie - Videogames Turn Deadly...
#156 by Charles
2003-09-02 17:16:22
www.bluh.org
#151 Warren Marshall
So I'm to blame for Unreal2 now?


What, you expect him to pay attention to who makes what?  How in character could that be?

How many it had cost in the amassing, what blood and sorrow, what good ships scuttled on the deep, what brave men walking the plank blindfold, what shot of cannon, what shame and lies and cruelty, perhaps no man alive could tell.
#157 by Greg
2003-09-02 17:17:26
You, sir, are not The Narrator.

We are OK in a misguided, sadist way.
We are OK in a disabled veteran's way.
We are OK.
#158 by Greg
2003-09-02 17:17:47
Bleh. #157 was for #154.

We are OK in a misguided, sadist way.
We are OK in a disabled veteran's way.
We are OK.
#159 by Matt Perkins
2003-09-02 17:18:45
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
You, sir, are not The Narrator.

If I was everyone would know it.  I can't keep a secret to save my life.

"I'm an extreme programmer. I don't plan anything when I code."- Lord Nekrull
#160 by LPMiller
2003-09-02 17:20:36
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
what the hell, Hulka? Did you get your insurance out of a Cracker Jacks box? Sucks.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#161 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-09-02 17:20:39
erictcheng@hotmail.com
What, you expect him to pay attention to who makes what?  How in character could that be?


He works for Epic, who owns the Unreal IP, and Warren works on the UnrealEd too, so indirectly he's to blame.

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#162 by LPMiller
2003-09-02 17:21:28
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
And it's your fault we don't all wear skirts.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#163 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-09-02 17:22:02
erictcheng@hotmail.com
And it's your fault we don't all wear skirts.


A quick stop to your wife's closet should fix that.

Kilt Wearing Pixel Pushing Monkey Boy
DVD Collection
GameGossip.com
#164 by Darkseid-D
2003-09-02 17:23:42
rogerboal@hotmail.com
the conspiracy deepens ! Warren USED to work for LEGEND who made WOT and UNREAL 2 !!

*GASP*
*strikes dramatic pose whilst spooky music plays*

To the Mystery machine scoob !

Do not go gently into that good night.
Old age should burn and rage at the close of day.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
#165 by Charles
2003-09-02 17:25:08
www.bluh.org
#155 Sgt Hulka
Thanks guys.  You'd be surprised to find out my insurance company doesn't cover floods, but since this was as sewage backup, I'll get a small fee to clean up and replace some stuff, but it's nowhere near the amount of damage.

you can read more stories about the mess in Indiana


Having grown up in a small town prone to floods from the river it was built around, and having been in at least 3 major floods, I can sympathise.  We couldn't get flood insurance there either, however, if it could be proven that damage was caused by sewage backup instead of flood water, the insurance companies could be forced to cover it.  Maybe you want to look in to it a little closer?  It could be different where you are, but worth checking out.  Floods are considered act of god, but apparently sewer backup isn't.

How many it had cost in the amassing, what blood and sorrow, what good ships scuttled on the deep, what brave men walking the plank blindfold, what shot of cannon, what shame and lies and cruelty, perhaps no man alive could tell.
#166 by Charles
2003-09-02 17:27:13
www.bluh.org
#161 Eric T. Cheng
What, you expect him to pay attention to who makes what?  How in character could that be?


He works for Epic, who owns the Unreal IP, and Warren works on the UnrealEd too, so indirectly he's to blame.


Oh well, I'm sure you are directly to blame for all the games you've worked on sucking.

How many it had cost in the amassing, what blood and sorrow, what good ships scuttled on the deep, what brave men walking the plank blindfold, what shot of cannon, what shame and lies and cruelty, perhaps no man alive could tell.
#167 by Warren Marshall
2003-09-02 17:27:24
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
#153 Eric T. Cheng
So I'm to blame for Unreal2 now?


No, just The Wheel of Time.

That's interesting.  Make a few levels for a game and the entire thing becomes your fault.  Oh wait, I wrote a little UnrealScript as well.  Fuck, it IS my fault!

Respawn Games
Open your mind, let the beatings begin.
#168 by Ergo
2003-09-02 17:29:41
Now you understand.

"I keep trying to read your posts, but all the letters keep morphing into "HULAHGUALGHUAALHAGH". Perhaps I can file this as a bug." --Bailey
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#169 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-09-02 17:46:08
erictcheng@hotmail.com
Oh well, I'm sure you are directly to blame for all the games you've worked on sucking.


No, Warren's to blame too.

Kilt Wearing Pixel Pushing Monkey Boy
DVD Collection
GameGossip.com
#170 by jjohnsen
2003-09-02 17:49:24
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Well, those of you paying attention knew my computer was shutting down while I tried to play Tron 2.  I kept getting errors that refered to heat and overclocking.  I took the cover off my case to see if I could cool it down.  Came back 5 minutes later and it had shut down, only this time it won't turn back on.  I gave it a reach around and felt the grill on my power supply and it's so hot I have burn marks on two of my fingers.  Wait an hour for it to cool donw, and it still won't power up, I'm guessing  the supply is dead.  Does this mean a 350w wasn't enough me and it was working too hard?  These are the times I wish I had bought a machine from Dell, then I could just ship it back instead of trying to figure it out myself.
#171 by Charles
2003-09-02 17:51:59
www.bluh.org
Could just be that your power supply fan died, and the power supply died because of it.  It's highly unlikely that a 350 watt wouldn't be enough.

How many it had cost in the amassing, what blood and sorrow, what good ships scuttled on the deep, what brave men walking the plank blindfold, what shot of cannon, what shame and lies and cruelty, perhaps no man alive could tell.
#172 by Gunp01nt
2003-09-02 17:53:56
supersimon33@hotmail.com
was your power supply some brandless thing or of a respected brand (Antec, Zalman, AOpen,...)?

"Sorry LP, I had to go to a lunch meeting and was unable to keep it real."
-Shadarr
#173 by mgns
2003-09-02 17:56:07
Surely he bought the power supply from Legend Entertainment...

At night on them banks I'd lie awake
And pull her close just to feel each breath she'd take
#174 by jjohnsen
2003-09-02 18:07:19
http://www.johnsenclan.com
If its only a power supply I'll be a happy man.  I need a way to keep better track of the heat in different areas of my case, anyone have experiance with anything that is really good at monitoring heat?
#175 by jjohnsen
2003-09-02 18:09:32
http://www.johnsenclan.com
I do believe Warren supplied my official WOT 350w power supply.  Actaully it came with the case and I can't see a brand name on it.
#176 by Bailey
2003-09-02 18:24:50
I'd take it in to a reputable shop and let them handle it. A few suggestions or links on a board will likely end up doing more harm than good for the novice technician, even considering the validity and professional status of the sources.

And by reputable, I mean not a franchise. Any place that hires technicians for just above minimum wage has some assuredly shitty technicians on-staff.

Too straight for #planetcrap.
#177 by jjohnsen
2003-09-02 18:30:07
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Really?  Is changing out a power supply difficult?  I've changed out hard drives and videocards, is it worse than that?
#178 by Darkseid-D
2003-09-02 18:35:50
rogerboal@hotmail.com
more than likely its the psu then, if youre lucky, it didnt kill your system when it died.

Ive 3 u160 Hds, 4 ide Hds, dvd and cdr (and a fanbus) running off my sparkle 350w with zero issues, but for future overhead room you may want to look at a 400w or greater.

Antec, Enermax, Sparkle are all solid brands, avoid DEER and FOXCONN like the plague.

If you want a quiet pc tho, Zalman do a nice near silent psu.

$50 + shipping will get you a decent power supply, do bear in mind that the psu is possibly the most critical component of your pc as everything else depends on it to function, why trust your whole pc to something cheap.

Do not go gently into that good night.
Old age should burn and rage at the close of day.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
#179 by Darkseid-D
2003-09-02 18:46:44
rogerboal@hotmail.com
Swapping out a PSU isnt particularly hard, the downside being it might be MORE than just a dead/blown psu.  Might not even be the psu, you could have a blown component on the motherboard that was causing the psu to overheat.

Concievably you could be looking at a dead motherboard / cpu / video card / memory / sound card and any drives you might have.

I concur with Bailey's suggestion you take it in for repair, however Frys, Circuit City, Best Buy or PC World may not be the best options as they rarely have anyone who can tell their arse from their elbow handling pc 'repair' / upgrades.

Course if you have a 2nd psu you can test with....

Do not go gently into that good night.
Old age should burn and rage at the close of day.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
#180 by Bailey
2003-09-02 19:41:45
jjohnsen

re: #179

Too straight for #planetcrap.
#181 by Hugin
2003-09-02 19:42:15
lmccain@nber.org
#143 by Sgt Hulka

That's right.  Yesterday, the great 10" of rain backed the sewer system up and my house was flooded from the toilet and shower.  I have 3 to 4 foot of piss and shit in the lower portion of my tri-level home.  Needless to say, my computers are ruined.  We didn't have much time to get stuff out at all.


Oh man, that's terrible Hulka.  Happened to me about 4 years ago, and I made the mistake of starting the cleanup with hot water.  Important safety tip:  Eventually, yes hot water will be important, but right in the beginning, the last thing you want is to turn that stuff into a steaming tea. Ugh.
#182 by """Balderama"""
2003-09-02 20:27:40
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