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Doom 3 - Running scared of Valve?
July 24th 2003, 00:36 CEST by Neale Doom 3 appears to have been delayed (not pushed back - it seems to be id's decision). The cynic in me suggests two possibilities: 1) They don't want a SiN/Half-Life release situation (not that I think Doom 3 will turn out like SiN) where sales will be affected by HL2's popularity. 2) They're reworking portions of the gameplay after seeing the level of interactivity and enormous interest in HL2. Thoughts? |
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I'm with Warren on that one. Go, I can get the door. Another thing that bothers me are drivers that slow down or stop to let you cross (like in the parking lot at work). I'd rather everyone go and when the coast is clear I'll cross. |
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I'm fully aware of how English has pieced itself together through the years. My point, though, is we have the words now. Why do we have to change them? Why is "converse" being replaced with "conversate" just because it was in a rap song or fifty? I have no problems with slang. Slang is slang is slang, and is recognized as such. I have no problems with colloquialisms, either. It's when perfectly acceptable and serviceable words are ignored and replaced by non-words by some ignorant fucktard (w00t!) with the vocabulary of a house pet that I get annoyed. And thanks for explaining the logic behind "womyn" Hugin. That at least makes some sort of sense now. It's stupid and horrible, but at least now I see why it's done. I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!
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Leslie "Little i" Nassar said " i challenge anybody here to name a horror movie made in the last 20 years. " That would be Mary Shelly's Frankenstein with Robert Deniro as the monster. That was true horror in it's purest form. I challenge anyone to deny that. Putting Yours to Shame Daily!
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stolen from Shacknews which they stole from somewhere: "What better way to celebrate QuakeCon than to unveil to our fans a preview of DOOM 3 multiplayer," said Todd Hollenshead, CEO, id Software. "While everyone knows that DOOM 3 is the most terrifying and scary single player experience ever created, multiplayer delivers the intense competitive action that our fans can count on. It's a natural to debut the DOOM 3 multiplayer experience at QuakeCon, the world's preeminent fan-based multiplayer gaming event." I thought Doom 3 wasn't suppose to have multiplayer support? that it was strickly a single player game and that quake 4 was going to show off the multiplayer capabilities of the new engine. I'm I just behind on my news? maybe this is the reason for the delay? I kid cause I care.
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id always said that Doom 3 would have multiplayer. It wouldn't be the focus, and due to the engine it would have some serious limitations (4 player max, no joining during a match). Whether any of that has changed, who knows? We are OK in a misguided, sadist way.
We are OK in a disabled veteran's way. We are OK. |
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Wow. Maybe that's why it was pushed back. What the hell is going to be the point of Quake4 then? Vampire roleplayers are almost always weirder than D&D players...and that's saying something.
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I'd like to post right after Greg and feel like a retard. Sweet! Vampire roleplayers are almost always weirder than D&D players...and that's saying something.
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Quake 4 is the sequel to Quake 2. You can't derail this train of idiocy, Shadarr. Not even with a big fat cow of logic on the tracks. - Bailey
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Matt the whole being a real sequel to Quake2 thing maybe. |
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#53 TheTrunkDr. I thought Doom 3 wasn't suppose to have multiplayer support? that it was strickly a single player game and that quake 4 was going to show off the multiplayer capabilities of the new engine. I'm I just behind on my news? maybe this is the reason for the delay? Yes, the delay is in the part that's going to be playable at QuakeCon. Good catch, Columbo. "All I've ever wanted to be is a monkey of moderate intelligence that wears a suit. That's why I'm transferring to business school!"
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Hey the game I'm working on is "playable" guess we're done then. zip and ship baby!! I kid cause I care.
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John Carmack said there would be limited multiplayer in Doom 3 at last year's QuakeCon. He said it might have a maxplayers as low as 4, but it would be there. "All I've ever wanted to be is a monkey of moderate intelligence that wears a suit. That's why I'm transferring to business school!"
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Man, this thread over at Qt3 is what a Planetcrap topic used to be like. And I don't mean that in a bad way. |
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The Judge Dredd engine ? There's an engine behind this abomination ? |
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Eric: Uh huh. Kind of ironic considering the default gender is female (hence why men have nipples). So if anything the word "men' is a derivative of the word "women." Default gender? As far as I know, English doesn't have a default gender. I'm willing to be proven wrong on this with some links or such. I find it unfortunate when women can't enjoy the simple gesture of a man opening a door for them. I find it charming when a man says something like, "ladies first" and offers me a seat first or what have you. It doesn't mean I'm giving up my independence, for God's sake. Men can be men and women can be women without having to subjugate anyone. SNIKT!
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#65 Caryn Default gender? As far as I know, English doesn't have a default gender. I'm willing to be proven wrong on this with some links or such. I think he meant default biological gender, not default gender for a language. We are OK in a misguided, sadist way.
We are OK in a disabled veteran's way. We are OK. |
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I think when he says default gender he is talking about in the womb where everyone basically starts out female. |
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Default gender? As far as I know, English doesn't have a default gender. I'm willing to be proven wrong on this with some links or such. I mean "default gender" as in biologically. Wizards of the Coast uses the female pronoun (eg. she, her) as the "default gender" in the 3rd (3.5) Edition D&D books. |
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I didn't get it until all three of you said something, so thanks. |
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That 'she', 'her' stuff in game books is an abomination. I think White Wolf did this first in their books. One dumb card game got femmed up by WOTC and the editor didn't catch the original rule where 'the player with the longest beard goes first.' Really, if it's a problem, go with the impersonal ('the player', 'they' etc.). It's not as tidy, but it works and doesn't make you look like a fucknugget. |
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#67 CheesyPoof I think when he says default gender he is talking about in the womb where everyone basically starts out female. Ooooh, right. Hehe. (embarrassed look) Was fixated on language for some reason. SNIKT!
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My eyes! You can't derail this train of idiocy, Shadarr. Not even with a big fat cow of logic on the tracks. - Bailey
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I can believe that the default gender is female - but I think it goes further than the womb. There are several times in a man's life where he will suddenly be confronted with the fact that somewhere deep inside him is a fetal girl child. Case in point: Wedding planning. In my situation, since Disney is handling all of the actual wedding proceedings, it's more like Reception planning for the big to-do we're having when we get back home from the honeymoon since most everyone we know can't get to Disneyworld for the wedding itself. Anywho, there is apparently going to be a mailbox set up at the reception. I assumed it was for marital advice and whatnot, but it appears it's more for people who feel the need to give me money for having gotten married. Fine by me. The thing is, the mailbox barely resembles a mailbox at this time. It is completely covered in frilly lace, with shiny little bits here and there. Even the flag on the side is decked out in doiley-like costuming. When presented with this great shrine to girlish femininity, I was expected to be thrilled at its wonder. Instead, I found myself faced with a dilema. While the prospect of the Shrine of Lace to bring in monetary gain was alluring, it was not enough to make me overlook one unavoidable fact: If I were to get excited over the lacy craftsmanship of this fancy looking box I would not, in fact, be marrying a woman. I recognize the beauty of the object, and appreciate the effort involved. However, it's the same level of recognition and appreciation that I would give to something like Sid Meyer's Alpha Centaui. I can see that it's a good game and well made, but it does absolutely nothing for me and I didn't really like playing it. This is why men still have nipples, I think. It's enough to remind us that we do have a femynyn side (i before e, except after man?), but not so much that we fill our closets with shoes we never wear and lose all ability to cook over an open charcol flame. I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!
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Cripes! Do they have to show pictures of the dead Hussein boys on the Excite new pages? I mean sure, put the pictures out there for verification, but not at the front page. Now I see dead people and I'm all ooggied out. |
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They aren't dead. They're just burned and bloodied and sleeping. We are OK in a misguided, sadist way.
We are OK in a disabled veteran's way. We are OK. |
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When did Aquaman become a drag queen? |
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#70 by mrbloo That 'she', 'her' stuff in game books is an abomination. I think White Wolf did this first in their books. One dumb card game got femmed up by WOTC and the editor didn't catch the original rule where 'the player with the longest beard goes first.' Really, if it's a problem, go with the impersonal ('the player', 'they' etc.). It's not as tidy, but it works and doesn't make you look like a fucknugget. Why is it an abomination? Why does referring to a theoretical player as female make anyone look like a "fucknugget"? |
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The default pronoun historically is male. The genderless pronoun is "they". Using female pronouns everywhere is either done to force people to think about gender issues or just some dumbass being cute. Either way, it gets in the way of readability. |
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The photos are unimpressive. They've got nothing on rotten.com. |
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The default gender is male for stupid reasons. More than half the population is female, and if people have to think about that once in a while, then good. Acknowledging women exist isn't being cute. And it only gets in the way of readibility if your hostility to the idea of anything being associated with a female gender is so high, you can't get past it. I agree with you totally on things like (S)he and Hir and stuff like that, but otherwise, I just think it's another case of male gamers being juvenile, sexist assholes. |
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Actually, "they" is incorrect as it refers to multiple people, so replacing "he" or "she" with "they" is grammatically incorrect. SNIKT!
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Hugin, Why is it an abomination? Why does referring to a theoretical player as female make anyone look like a "fucknugget"? Because it's a political correctism gone mad. It's ugly and jarring. It doesn't match the target audience. If it's some misguided effort to make role-playing more appealing to women, then it's nothing more than a token sop. The approach Call of Cthulhu took was more balanced with a mix of male and female NPCs in their examples, rather than just a blanket assumption that all players are male or female. The horror games like Vampire and Call of Cthulhu do have a larger female audience, but I'd be stunned if it even comes close to 10% of the player base. It's only one level above using combined, made-up pronouns like 'herm' and 'hesh'. Those I really despise. Maybe it's an acceptable backlash after years of cheesecake book covers and sexist female stereotypes, but it's not a step in the right direction. |
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You think referring to NPCs or whatever in a book as "her" and "she" is ugly and jarring? Jesus. |
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I know it's gramatically incorrect, but I like "they" a lot better than either "him/her" or alternating genders. In the absense of an actual genderless pronoun, it's the defacto standard. Using the female gender exclusively as a "genderless" pronoun tells everyone who's reading that you put some thought into it, and this is the best you could come up with. Using male exclusively tells people you're either lazy or a traditionalist, and I have nothing against people being lazy. |
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Feminists segregate themselves and blame it on others. Cheesy I really hope I get to see the Uday and Qusay photos. I hope the release more than just a head shot and see the whole body. It'll be like those old gangster photos of the 30's. Rotten.com will probably be your best bet. Scotch makes you good at a lot of things, like yelling at your wife, but it’s terrible for hand-eye coordination.
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Actually, "they" is incorrect as it refers to multiple people, so replacing "he" or "she" with "they" is grammatically incorrect. While true, I think the usage on this point may increase to the point where it becomes generally accepted. "Take Two needs to STFU imo." - G30rg3 Br0uzz4rd
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I'm really looking forward to Quake4. Hopefully it does, in fact, stand as a worthy sequel to Quake 2, which is the second best multiplayer FPS of all time (after Planetside). "Take Two needs to STFU imo." - G30rg3 Br0uzz4rd
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Hugin, You think referring to NPCs or whatever in a book as "her" and "she" is ugly and jarring? Jesus. Not at all. Like I said, in Call of Cthulhu, it uses female pronouns for the female characters in the examples. It's the blanket use of 'she' in the text referring to the player that I find jarring and ugly. The game books we published used 'they' and 'their' in place of 'he' and 'his'. It's grammatically incorrect, as Caryn said, but it was a common decision and avoided any unintentional sexism. Changing all pronouns to their feminine versions is just a thoughtless sweep over to what, on the surface, looks like a less sexist game. But it isn't if you haven't applied the same criteria to all your examples, NPCs and scenarios. I agree with you about male gamers being juvenile, sexist assholes. For years, role-playing alienated female players by virtue of its target audience being teenage boys, and the hobby pandering to that by making sure that a half-naked woman riding a dragon was on the cover of every second product released. I asked a female magazine editor about it, and her quote was, "I love them, they sell magazines." |
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#86 Your Friend While true, I think the usage on this point may increase to the point where it becomes generally accepted. I've been thinking that myself, which would take some getting used to, but ultimately would solve the whole he/she issue satisfactorily. SNIKT!
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I'd be ok with it. Personally it doesn't bother me to see people using 'she'/'her', but in the end it is just as stupid as using 'he'/'him' if the usage is meant to be generic. I think it is more likely we'll see 'they'/'them' take over rather than have new words invented specifically for this purpose. "Take Two needs to STFU imo." - G30rg3 Br0uzz4rd
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There needs to be a genderless pronoun, now that we live a in a brave new world where women aren't property. All the attempts to create a new word from scrath have failed worse than Esperanto, and people are using "they" already. Personally, I think we should just use the genderless noun, "Pat". |
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The default gender is male for stupid reasons. This is kind of a silly argument, if the default gender was female it'd be for the same stupid reasons. Since there is no genderless pronoun in the english language one has to be arbitrarily chosen, that happened to be male. There's no right or wrong here, that's why shaking your fist and complaning about it is pretty silly, since it isn't any more correct to use the female pronoun for genderless nouns. Historically, and now gramatically, male pronouns are used for genderless nouns, that's the rule, I think it's the people who take issue with this that have the problem. If people want to fix this the answer is to come up with a legitimate genderless pronoun for the english language, simply replacing all the 'he' for 'she' doesn't fix the problem it just changes the bias. I kid cause I care.
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Also, two wrongs don't make a right. |
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Why the hell can't you nerds just refer to the player as "the player"? Scotch makes you good at a lot of things, like yelling at your wife, but it’s terrible for hand-eye coordination.
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Once the player has completed the player's turn, the player may not check the player's inventory or change the player's equipped weapon. |
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That's what I do if I'm writing a design doc - saves any kind of gender confusion. You can't derail this train of idiocy, Shadarr. Not even with a big fat cow of logic on the tracks. - Bailey
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Shadarr Excellent. Implement that immediately. Scotch makes you good at a lot of things, like yelling at your wife, but it’s terrible for hand-eye coordination.
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And if there happens to be more than one player, we'll refer to them as the second and third party of the player, who will henceforth be referred to as "the other player" and "the player whose smell is most overwhelming". Scotch makes you good at a lot of things, like yelling at your wife, but it’s terrible for hand-eye coordination.
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Once the player has completed the player's turn, the player may not check the player's inventory or change the player's equipped weapon. "Once the player has completed their turn, they may not check their inventory or change their equipped weapon." "Once the player has completed her turn, she may not check her inventory or change her equipped weapon." Two are genderless. One of those is bad English, my preferred one, but I think it's an acceptable change of rules. I'll put my money where my mouth is as well. This is the freeware text of our game system, written in 1994. The pronoun 'his' only exists in the examples referring to a male character. If it exists in the body text, it gets a 'or her' appended. The rest of the time it's 'their', or we explicitly state player or character. It was worth jumping through the occasional linguistic hoop to do this, rather than just use 'he' or 'she'. |
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