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Good times for VR?
January 18th 2013, 00:53 CET by TreeFrog

If you're anything like me (protip: don't be anything like me), you'll remember the short-lived VR craze with some hipster-grade ironic nostalgia, but mostly with disappointment. William Gibson had promised us digital otherworlds over a decade ago, and all we got was The Lawnmower Man. And that wasn't even a documentary, people!

But! Now some punk called Palmer Luckey, who has the temerity to be only 20 years old, is all like "hey, here's this Oculus Rift VR headset I just crapped out this morning and BTW it's the most awesome shit you peasants have ever seen" AND HE'S NOT WRONG.

AND! On top of that we have the Leap Motion guys and their millimetre-precision doodad taking a big enough crap on the Kinect that Asus are offering aforementioned doodad as an option with their PCs. We'll ignore the oh-so-90s Best Buy retail exclusivity.

Interesting times.
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#30 by Milan Brezovský
2013-01-21 10:46:50
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See, this is why I mentioned Technopoly. Technology eventually not just assist us to get from A to B, it will be dictating our every move to please the gods of Efficiency.

Parhelic Triangle is coming. Eventually.
#31 by Milan Brezovský
2013-01-21 10:55:58
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They will ban the forklifts and hire more trained monkeys. Hopefully non-zombie monkeys.

Parhelic Triangle is coming. Eventually.
#32 by None-1a
2013-01-21 14:58:48
There are still places that use a largely manual process, thus the low wages and high turnover. You also get into a situation where that process can be better setup to separate manual and powered tasks since any violation of that process can mean instant termination (with a reduced learning period you don't really have to care any more).

Also I think you're assuming the AR itself will be far more intrusive then really necessary. Following around a virtual arrow like it's some localized GPS is exactly what you don't want. You just want adaptive location labeling taking the place of normal set signage and/or object highlighting (think along the lines of how Deus Ex handles interactive objects).

Don't forget garnishes such as: Fish shaped solid waste.
#33 by Gunp01nt
2013-01-21 16:08:05
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#29 by deadlock

Useful right up to the point were someone gets impaled on a forklift blade because they (or the driver) were paying more attention to a virtual arrow on their HUD than they were to their surroundings.


Then clearly humans are the weak link here. Skynet has an easy solution to that problem.

She's probably had sex with like 4 different guys by now and has no idea who he is anymore, his face lost in a memory sea of dicks.
#34 by Shadarr
2013-01-22 07:44:25
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I'm sure the technology is different but I'm really not seeing a lot of difference between seeing 3D movies now and seeing Captain EO way back when except that the goggles are flimsy plastic instead of flimsy cardboard.

The technology may have changed but the method of creating the effect is still just polarized light putting different images on each eyeball.  Until there is a method of displaying 3D that accounts for the fact that I sometimes move my head and also want to focus on different things, it'll remain a shitty gimmick.

VR doesn't solve the problem since we already have enough lag with regular HDTVs to make games like Assassin's Creed a bitch to play.  I can only imagine how much worse it would be in 3D.

"I hope you one day decide to smarten the fuck up so I can stand to look at your posts." - gaggle
#35 by Matt Perkins
2013-01-23 01:58:44
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VR...I'll be interested when it works like lawn mower man (the total immersement, not the funky hardware).

A more interesting product is the add on for the upcoming xbox (probably) that Microsoft showed at CES. http://readwrite.com/2013/01/22/microsoft-has-a-mindblowing-display-technology.

Of course, they just throwing it out there and then refusing to talk about it...

"programmers talk from a very deep gnome cavern, full of gold mechanics" - wisdom from the ancients
#36 by None-1a
2013-01-23 06:41:39
It'd be a lot more interesting if Microsoft didn't have a nasty habit of either completely ignoring what the research guys are doing or totally screwing it up while translating it to a finished product.

Don't forget garnishes such as: Fish shaped solid waste.
#37 by bago
2013-01-23 10:46:28
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Shadarr, we've had that for years. The wedge display uses head tracking to beam a projection of a scene stereoscopically onto each of your eyeballs. This means two people can use the same screen to see private scenes in 3d.
http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/about/feature/nui.aspx

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#38 by yotsuya
2013-01-23 20:14:06
I'm going to need bifocals in like two years anyway, so 3D is like blah.

#39 by TreeFrog
2013-01-24 01:56:35
The 3D comparison doesn't work for me. The film industry resurrected that to try and get people back in cinemas. VR's back on the agenda because the tech involved has finally reached the point where it can render something that isn't just a series of boxes.

"One part disembowels me while another slowly eats its way through the gas line. As I bleed out on the floor, it reminds me that I need to buy milk." - Jibble
#40 by Gunp01nt
2013-01-24 12:04:42
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Why not? It's both consumer entertainment technology that had its day, was eventually deemed obsolete and is now back in a fundamentally unchanged form.
The fact that computer graphics have significantly improved doesn't so much impact VR specifically because it impacts a much larger range of entertainment forms. It doesn't help to make VR more attractive to consumers, compared to simply sitting on the couch with your Xbox controller, than it was 20 years ago.

Or maybe I'm not getting your angle. You are coming at it from a consumer entertainment angle, right?

She's probably had sex with like 4 different guys by now and has no idea who he is anymore, his face lost in a memory sea of dicks.
#41 by gaggle
2013-01-24 16:26:16
But tablets is an old ide too, just revamped with modern technology. So I don't know that it tells me anything that a particular idea has been tried before or not. I do think it's a valid point that 3D was a top-down profit driven decision vs VR being more of a bottoms-up grassrooty thing. Whether that will translate into anything at all I don't know, but it's a relevant difference to me.

"Roses are red, violets are blue, rubbish is dumped and so are you." : : - FML
#42 by Milan Brezovský
2013-01-24 19:55:56
http://uglycode.com
Well it all depends on if Apple will market iReality.

Or if anyone with a decent marketing will market anything decent, basically.

Parhelic Triangle is coming. Eventually.
#43 by Shadarr
2013-01-24 21:59:10
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VR basically needs a killer app.  Avatar was supposed to be that for 3D movies, but it wasn't.  Apparently the killer app for tablets was old people who can't see an iPhone.  For VR to catch on, it's needs a reason to exist beyond virtual real estate tours and slightly more immersive videogames.

"I hope you one day decide to smarten the fuck up so I can stand to look at your posts." - gaggle
#44 by TreeFrog
2013-01-24 23:38:42
What gaggle said.

"One part disembowels me while another slowly eats its way through the gas line. As I bleed out on the floor, it reminds me that I need to buy milk." - Jibble
#45 by TreeFrog
2013-01-27 23:52:25
A FOSS Rift driver for Mirror's Edge, that AaaAAaa game and others.

"One part disembowels me while another slowly eats its way through the gas line. As I bleed out on the floor, it reminds me that I need to buy milk." - Jibble
#46 by Milan Brezovský
2013-01-28 10:43:27
http://uglycode.com
Now I'm getting interested.

Parhelic Triangle is coming. Eventually.
#47 by anaqer
2013-01-28 16:05:07
Wake me up when someone does a good Descent port for it.

"Apple hates everyone now." - BJB
#48 by deadlock
2013-01-28 19:11:48
http://www.deadlocked.org/
I wonder how jarring the Uncanny Valley effect is when you're viewing games through these devices.

#49 by Milan Brezovský
2013-01-28 22:15:05
http://uglycode.com
Of course, now that PlanetCrap posts about VR, Gamasutra is all over it.

Parhelic Triangle is coming. Eventually.
#50 by Milan Brezovský
2013-02-05 13:36:23
http://uglycode.com
Talk, bitches! What TV shows are worth killing time for?

Parhelic Triangle is coming. Eventually.
#51 by deadlock
2013-02-05 15:50:38
http://www.deadlocked.org/
The first season of 'Homeland' is excellent. I enjoyed the second season but I think it's one of those YMMV things.

#52 by TreeFrog
2013-02-05 16:57:43
Apparently all it takes to make Twitter collectively wet itself is Zooey Deschanel getting kissed. I tried to watch New Girl once. Whatever it is, it's not for me.

"One part disembowels me while another slowly eats its way through the gas line. As I bleed out on the floor, it reminds me that I need to buy milk." - Jibble
#53 by Shadarr
2013-02-05 21:15:30
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If the word "adorkable" doesn't make your hands twist into arthritic rage-claws, then the show probably won't either.

"I hope you one day decide to smarten the fuck up so I can stand to look at your posts." - gaggle
#54 by Milan Brezovský
2013-02-05 21:45:48
http://uglycode.com
Wait, that's something that can be pronounced? I thought it only existed on Internet. You know, like when you take a fish out of water and it suffocates, that's what happens with Internet slang, right?

Parhelic Triangle is coming. Eventually.
#55 by Shadarr
2013-02-05 22:03:31
shadarr@gmail.com http://digital-luddite.com
What rock are you living under?  Haven't you heard anyone say "el oh el" in real life?  There is no barrier between the internet and the real world anymore, the last brick was pounded to dust when newscasters started reading Youtube comments on air.

"I hope you one day decide to smarten the fuck up so I can stand to look at your posts." - gaggle
#56 by Milan Brezovský
2013-02-06 12:27:37
http://uglycode.com
I was being facetious. I mean, both "el oh el" or "loll", while they make the least sense to be vocalized, have been with me ever since I was a teenager (and we were all more impressionable), and it's one of the things that fly under your radar, like swearing, or "she said" in novels or articles in any text, e.g.
Can you find the
the error in here?


But "adorkable" is something that you have to produce consciously, and while it's obviously a matter of taste, it feels like it should only ever said in a pretentiously ironic fashion.

Parhelic Triangle is coming. Eventually.
#57 by Milan Brezovský
2013-02-06 13:45:44
http://uglycode.com
Also, The Witcher 2 on sale on Steam for 10 EUR, go buy it for all your friends and lovers and kids and family, so we get the third game that will be more open-worldly.

Parhelic Triangle is coming. Eventually.
#58 by gaggle
2013-02-06 21:22:35
You're old by scoffing at new words. I will make an effort to use adorkable in a sentence asap.

"Roses are red, violets are blue, rubbish is dumped and so are you." : : - FML
#59 by Wudi
2013-02-07 02:01:50
*LEAVE ZOOEY ALONE [internet tears under a blanket]! ALL SHE WANTS IS SOME TOMOATO SOUP[more internet tears under the blanket]! All you people care about is posting and making money off of her. She's a human! Leave Zooey alone!!!

Whaaaaaaa!

Zep--
*I only have rabbit ears so I have no idea what that new girl show is like, but she's cute in the iPhone commercial.

w0rd up!
#60 by jjohnsen
2013-02-07 05:39:04
http://www.johnsenclan.com
New Girl is funny.  Not really because of Zooey Deschanel though.

#61 by Dumdeedum
2013-02-08 17:21:12
http://www.dumdeedum.com
New Girl started poorly but it's slowly got better, to the point it's a harmless watch over a sandwich or whatever.  As JJ said though, it's largely down to a strong supporting cast, the new girl herself doesn't actually add much.  If all else fails, Hannah Simone.

MP3 Of The Week: is this thing on?
#62 by gaggle
2013-02-09 05:13:45
Argo was really good.

"Roses are red, violets are blue, rubbish is dumped and so are you." : : - FML
#63 by Gunp01nt
2013-02-09 21:21:39
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Since we have native English speakers from various countries here it seems a good place to ask: how should the word 'width' be pronounced? Is it like 'with' or more like 'wide' with a 'th' at the end?

She's probably had sex with like 4 different guys by now and has no idea who he is anymore, his face lost in a memory sea of dicks.
#64 by deadlock
2013-02-10 00:13:37
http://www.deadlocked.org/
It's one of those words where the pronunciation varies according to region and speaker but the 'wi-' part is always pronounced as in 'with' and never as in 'wide'. Some people pronounce the 'd', but very lightly. Others pronounce it almost exactly like 'with' but with a sharper, shorter 'th' sound.

#65 by Milan Brezovský
2013-02-10 15:46:32
http://uglycode.com
I hate þorn. It's hard to get it right.

Parhelic Triangle is coming. Eventually.
#66 by TreeFrog
2013-02-10 16:18:06
#65 by Milan Brezovský
I hate þorn. It's hard to get it right.

Yeah, I have trouble pronouncing þorn.

"One part disembowels me while another slowly eats its way through the gas line. As I bleed out on the floor, it reminds me that I need to buy milk." - Jibble
#67 by Gunp01nt
2013-02-10 20:06:44
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Thanks deadlock.

She's probably had sex with like 4 different guys by now and has no idea who he is anymore, his face lost in a memory sea of dicks.
#68 by Milan Brezovský
2013-02-11 18:48:01
http://uglycode.com
Today I started Minecraft again for a few minutes and loaded a save where I was starving, so my health was decreasing an I had no food on me. I started running up the stairs, through a cave, up more stairs, armed myself with a sword just to be sure, got on the ground, jumped up to my floating glass house and opened the chest and chewed down a raw porkchop just as my health stopped decreasing on 0.5/10 hearts.

I turned around and enjoyed the sunset.

Back to programming business rule engines.

Parhelic Triangle is coming. Eventually.
#69 by TreeFrog
2013-02-21 16:24:53
Sony: what the fuck was that?

"One part disembowels me while another slowly eats its way through the gas line. As I bleed out on the floor, it reminds me that I need to buy milk." - Jibble
#70 by Dumdeedum
2013-02-21 17:22:20
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I stopped watching after five minutes, these press events always come off like glossy powerpoint presentations given by car salesmen.  They should have saved the money and instead released a couple of pages of facts and some screenshots and videos.  Y'know, a press pack.

MP3 Of The Week: is this thing on?
#71 by Gunp01nt
2013-02-21 18:06:47
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It was kind of underwhelming. How do you announce a device without showing the device? Even the Phantom had a mockup of what it was supposed to look like.

She's probably had sex with like 4 different guys by now and has no idea who he is anymore, his face lost in a memory sea of dicks.
#72 by gaggle
2013-02-21 18:59:53
Watchdogs looks neat, and the footage looks legit. Don't really care about the power in the hardware, but fun games are fine.

"Roses are red, violets are blue, rubbish is dumped and so are you." : : - FML
#73 by TreeFrog
2013-02-21 19:00:23
I never watch these things live, I just read the recaps. Sqenix announce that they're beginning to consider starting to develop a PS4 Final Fantasy game. Hold the presses!

I predict:
ludicrous launch price, again
lousy sales due to there only being 5 launch titles, 3 of which are shit, and no backwards compatibility
a massive post-Christmas price cut
still not enough uptake
Sony's creditors get nervous and stop extending credit
RIP Sony.

"One part disembowels me while another slowly eats its way through the gas line. As I bleed out on the floor, it reminds me that I need to buy milk." - Jibble
#74 by Milan Brezovský
2013-02-21 19:53:45
http://uglycode.com
You're just copy&pasting that from your post from a couple years back, aren't you?

Parhelic Triangle is coming. Eventually.
#75 by CheesyPoof
2013-02-21 20:47:22
Nah, it won't (or maybe I should say shouldn't) have a stupid high price tag. They're using x86 so that should be cheap, and the cost in BD has come down enough that the cost of that will be cheap, and everything else is a commodity. It'll get a $400 price cause it's 'new.' Anything more is stupid.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#76 by Gunp01nt
2013-02-21 22:04:07
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That's a little quick to call Sony d0med. We have yet to see what Microsoft is going to bring this round and it looks like Nintendo isn't exactly doing well so far with the Wii U.

Console makers are clearly having a hard time figuring out where to go with the new console generation, what people want at this point. When Microsoft and Sony have both shown their hands I wouldn't be surprised if someone else steps in taking advantage of the knowledge of Sony and MS' launches.

She's probably had sex with like 4 different guys by now and has no idea who he is anymore, his face lost in a memory sea of dicks.
#77 by CheesyPoof
2013-02-21 22:11:59
Thinking...

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#78 by Gunp01nt
2013-02-21 22:29:17
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Sorry, I should've quoted Treefrog.

She's probably had sex with like 4 different guys by now and has no idea who he is anymore, his face lost in a memory sea of dicks.
#79 by m0nty
2013-02-22 04:13:51
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
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