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Acceptable Losses
March 16th 2003, 14:32 CET by Jibble Black and White tried it with their hit-and-miss weather system. Now we see more and more prominence of Spyware in almost everything we download. Even the latest version of TurboTax wreaks all kinds of havoc on your machine. In a world where Spyware is as hated as popup ads, will the process of gathering user information ever be the same as when it was better protected? Will those few who only use people's information to provide better demographics to create better products become extinct? |
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Bailey: you're just mad we got the kill and not you. Yo mama's so fat, all the restaurants in town have signs that says: "Maximum Occupancy: 240 Patrons OR Yo Mama"
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Yes, and I'm also jealous when your schoolyard chums hold down the retarded toddlers so you can suckerpunch them. I, Complainicus
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well, I'd be happy to suckerpunch you instead, if it makes you feel better. Yo mama's so fat, all the restaurants in town have signs that says: "Maximum Occupancy: 240 Patrons OR Yo Mama"
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(waiting for Warren to say something about donkeypunching) I, Complainicus
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I have one e-mail account that I use to register for any kind of online forums, for the registration of games, or whatever purpose. And, there is almost always a blurb about "we respect your privacy, and this informaiton will not be given, or sold to third parties". Less than 48 hours later(usually) I get spam mail which says at the bottom that I opted in for this shit because I subscribed at such and such a place...even after making sure those pesky check boxes were unchecked. Thing is, the parent company I registered with, might own a bazillion other subsidiary companies which would not be considered a third party under law. I've worked in marketing in one form or another over the past 20 years, and you would be surprised at the number of companies there are out that sell information on people. Back during 93-95, I worked as the marketing manager for a small security systems dealership. During my training I was given no less than 20 phone numbers of various companies I could call and request what were known as Call Lists. I could get as specific as I wanted about the information, such as "over 60, credit score of at least X, home owner, $ minimum income, ect..ect". These lists werent cheap either, for 5000 names of people who met my criteria, and lived in my target marketing area, I could end up paying as much as $2500.00 for this list of names. These companies did their homework, and you could be certain that the information you were paying for was accurate...right down to the home phone number and street address. And, if I made just 50 appointments out of that 5000(1%), market trends at the time would guarantee me at least 7-10 sales, and the list paid for itself on sale number 2. All of the information that is collected about you is being used by someone, somewhere. Whether it be from your computer, or elsewhere. Spyware is just making it that much easier for these companies to compile LARGE databases of personal information. And, it doesnt have to be accurate information to begin with...once they have a valid address, system ID number or whatever, the race is on. And everytime another bit of information comes in about you, it's just added to the database. Given just a couple of years or so of normal, online computer use, these companies can learn an awful lot about a person. "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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Coffee is for closers? I, Complainicus
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Likely deadbeat magazine subscription leads. Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules.
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Bailey, That's "Professional Closer" if I remember the term correctly. Any monkey can be given a pitchbook and a handful of leads and get lucky once in a while. Put a young impressionable guy in a suit and promise him a 20% commission and he'll be after the sales managers job in no time...heh "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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Coffee is for closers? Put. That coffee. Down. What?
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You think I'm fucking with you? |
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I am not fucking with you. What?
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What? |
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unleash the fucking fury! Now you're up shits creek with a turd for a paddle
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Yes!!! +12 Fucking Fury Materia Bonus! Walt Whitman once said, "I see great things in baseball. It's our game, the American game. It will repair our losses and be a blessing to us." You could look it up.
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Does that Materia offer a resistance to water-based attacks? I, Complainicus
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You are all lame. Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration. "I fart in THX." - Sgt_Hulka PENETRATOR: Rise of the Wang Cuming March 19 (Wang Wednesday) |
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I can walk just fine thank you joker. (in case anyone cares I was gone because some idiot couldn't see me in a RED pullover, carrying a red and black umbrella. I am not talking mild red, think fire engine. And so they ran my ass over. There are no cross walks here so it is jump out and hope you don't get hit. Yes I am fine.) Rys "Do you happen to work for the redundant department of redundancy?" -Squeaky 2003-03-03 07:58:40
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www.fuckthatjob.com The seeming unanimity among poets makes them look suspiciously like a herd of independent minds.
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Hey hey hey: Here's the coverage of the cricket last week and, simultaneously, a bleak portrait of a web journalist having a mental breakdown. It's fucking funny; I hope they don't fire the poor bastard because I'd pay to read stuff like this. And I don't even watch cricket. |
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Your Link Fu sucks. |
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BIG WICKET! Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules.
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Cricket? Isn't that some sort of grasshopper? "Folks, you can't walk into a bar holding a porcupine, set it on fire and expect to make liquorice!" --Dana Carvey as Ross Perot
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The main diet of the Cricket Bat, no less. |
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Are you guys doing something different or have url tags been changed to launch in their own windows? I like it. Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules.
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Didn't they always do that? |
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On forum sites like PC I generally right click links and 'Open in a New Window', so I never really noticed one way or another. 2000/XP is better than Win9x in every way.
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I think they always did that, though I too tend to right-click, even if I know the links open in a new window. I, Complainicus
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Marsh, During the live World Cup coverage some journalists did the same thing to help pass the time waiting for the match to start. Its pretty funny and a nice reward for the journos to get a little freedom. <jafd> Dating an older woman is probably a lot like running Linux, really.
<jafd> Lots of maintenance, resulting in rewards, that you could have gotten a lot easier elsewhere, if only you knew how. |
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I'm a right-click-new-window addict. Really pisses me off when people wrap the links in Javascript and it causes my right-clicking to fail. 2000/XP is better than Win9x in every way.
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I never right click - If you hold down SHIFT-click it does the same thing. Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules.
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That is, opens in a new window. If I need other things from the right-click menu I will indeed RC. Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules.
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I never right click - If you hold down SHIFT-click it does the same thing. You must be some kind of closet Mac user. Freak. 2000/XP is better than Win9x in every way.
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it's all about the middle click Now you're up shits creek with a turd for a paddle
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Favourite shortcuts: WINDOWS+M = Minimize all windows (I still right click the taskbar for this one, haven't retrained yet) SHIFT-LCLICK = Open link in new browser window CTRL+MWHEELUP, MWHEELDOWN - Adjust browser fontsize up/down. WINDOWS+BREAK = System Properties - Get RAM size, hit Device Manager tab, etc. Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules.
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#85 MCorleone CTRL+MWHEELUP, MWHEELDOWN - Adjust browser fontsize up/down. This won't work on many sites that use CSS. just in case anyone gets confused. -chris |
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I always right-click and hit "open in new tab". I wish Mozilla was smart enough to open everything in a new tab rather than a new window because I hate having multiple windows. |
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This has been another exciting episode of "How I Browse the Web," I believe I can fly......urk.
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That little Windows key is a godsend. I used to wonder why it was there, and then I started hating keyboards that didn't have it. Windows-E for Explorer, Windows-F for Find, Windows-R for Run, Windows-D for Desktop and the Windows-Break for System. |
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This won't work on many sites that use CSS. just in case anyone gets confused. I've noticed that and it just screams poor design to me. IMO, you need to conform to standards and having the user be able to change their default font size has been in browsers for as long as I can remember. I hate when text is too small on a site and I try to increase it ... to no effect. That's when that URL gets filed in the round bin. Basically, you don't know what screen resolution your visitor is using, so don't make assumptions. What?
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And then I try it on this site and it doesn't work. Morn truly does hate us all. What?
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He has to cull the herd somehow. |
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#91 Warren Marshall And then I try it on this site and it doesn't work. Morn truly does hate us all. It's not Morn's fault. It's CSS's fault... and to a lesser extent, the browser companies' faults. The "adjust font size" thing in browsers is a hack. It basically overrides the HTML settings. There's no reason they can't make a similar hack for CSS... they just haven't gotten around to putting it into their rendering engines. However, because CSS is SENT BY GOD, and everyone wants to use it, more and more sites are using JavaScript to allow the user to control their own font-size. It's in our plans for the next generation of GameSpy sites for the exact reasons you mentioned: it sucks that users can't read text at whatever size they're comfortable with. -chris |
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But you can write perfectly good CSS code that lets the user override the font sizes, so I'm not sure where I see the problem. "I don't bemoan the great paste" - LPMiller
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middle click is god. Of course, this is only a minor technicality, as even when "properly elected" into office, a politician has as much chance of not having gotten there via corrupt means as Dubya has of spelling racecar backwards. --UncleJeet |
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Ned: I'm curious, how can you make stylesheets with font size definitions that allow for resizing? the standard pt. notation will keep fonts at the same size everytime. to my knowledge, only of you use <FONT SIZE="-2"> or something like that, you can have varying font sizes and still allow the user to change the overall font size. Yo mama's so fat, all the restaurants in town have signs that says: "Maximum Occupancy: 240 Patrons OR Yo Mama"
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Basically, don't specify font sizes and use percentages to change the size if you need to. Then it will work in unison with the visitors browser. What?
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Warren: You could use OpenCrap and change the CSS to your liking. ;) blah blah bleh
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Ned but in order to do that you can't use point of pixel based settings, and risk screwing up a lot of the other elements of the css (which is why most people don't do it). I'm guessing the system Chris is talking about would selected from a few css files that have been tweaked to preserve the layout while allowing for the larger text sizes (this way there's no need to worry about say the large text running outsize of the clipping box). |
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Yeah, what Warren said. You use percentages. The various browsers will display the percentages slightly differently but they're close enough in most cases to not be an issue. The <font> tag is deprecated and although I'm sure it will be around for years, "officially" it's supposed to be abandoned in favor of using CSS. "I don't bemoan the great paste" - LPMiller
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