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March 13th 2003, 02:27 CET by Caryn I know a while back we discussed games on cellphones and whether or not they'd take off. I believe the general consensus was that it would never fly. But I am here to shamefully admit that I, your humble author, am getting addicted to cellphone games. I recently bought a new phone and upgraded my AT&T wireless to include data and their fancy shmancy mMode service. I did it partly because I'm a wireless gadget freak, and mostly because it allows me to get my work email on my cellphone when I'm away from the office. But I find myself utterly addicted to playing with the internet access I have on my phone, which is surprisingly robust. One of the many features, of course, is games. I'm not talking about Snake and other games that come standard with your cellphone, with or without internet connections. There is a whole host -- about twenty, last time I looked -- of games you can access and play on your wireless phone, and many of them are multiplayer. There's trivia games, casino games, even games that are something like speed dating. I'm currently very into a wireless multiplayer version of Tamagotchi -- I care for my pet, and I can enter him in pet shows against other cellphone players, see their pets, etc. Many of us have probably seen ads for Tony Hawk and other color graphics games on some of the next-gen Motorola phones. So I wanted to revisit this topic and talk about a few things. Are there game concepts that you think could and possibly will fly on a cellphone? What sort of game concepts is the cellphone platform perfect for? I'd love to see what the collective Crap imagination has to offer here. And finally, has anyone else seen games in cellphones on the rise since we last talked about it? Points docked to anyone who points out how lame I am for playing games on my cellphone because I'm already aware of it. |
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I think I pushed them through. |
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Keep thinking that... blah blah bleh
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Whatever. |
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Well, I'll tell you one thing on this topic. The N-Gage sucks. The screen is way too small, has a crappy res, the 3d isn't quite playstation quality, and whoever designed the UI for it should be shot. I'm not a stupid person (or at least, I'd like to think that), but I picked up the N-Gage and it took me forever to figure out how to do anything. Mind you, this is coming from someone who's never owned a cellphone, and was approaching the device as if it were a GBA with features, rather than the reverse. FIGHTING FOR PEACE IS LIKE POSTING ON PLANETCRAP FOR INTELLIGENCE! --morn |
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I dislike almost everything about my mobile phone. The SMS spam, the disruption while reading or eating, the culture ("cn u plz msg me b4 u go") and the potential health risks. It's handy when meeting people though! With all these negatives that I associate with mobile phones, I think it'll be a while until I would want to play a game on my phone. On the other hand, I heard that one of these new fancy shmancy phones has "Bubble Bobble" as a playable game. So where do I sign up? |
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I just got my first cellphone about a week ago. I'm woefully unqualified to discuss this topic. Look at your keyboard. Do you see a "Caps Lock" button? You do? Good. Push it once. Thanks.
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a hearty "fuck you" to those people who said mobile gaming wouldn't work. right now i'm coding for the Sony/Ericsson P800. how good is it? well, let's say the Pocket PC/GBA codebase was ported to it in under 2 days. President Bush dismissed last week's worldwide antiwar protests, which some estimate were the largest in human history, and said they would have no effect. "Size of protest — it's like deciding, well, I'm going to decide policy based on a focus group."
-- Harper's Weekly Review (February 25, 2003) |
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Does that mean I can get a GBA/Phone thingy? Shit, I wait like twenty years to get a celllphone, and STILL I bought one TOO SOON. Graaagh, jafd smash. Look at your keyboard. Do you see a "Caps Lock" button? You do? Good. Push it once. Thanks.
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A friend's friend is working at a mobile games company in Montreal, and the biggest thing to happen in mobile gaming was the ability to press two buttons simultaneously. Exciting. FIGHTING FOR PEACE IS LIKE POSTING ON PLANETCRAP FOR INTELLIGENCE! --morn |
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oh dear... President Bush dismissed last week's worldwide antiwar protests, which some estimate were the largest in human history, and said they would have no effect. "Size of protest — it's like deciding, well, I'm going to decide policy based on a focus group."
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I have never owned a cell phone in my entire life. I also have no desire to get one. So I can't fathom why someone would want to play a game on their cell phone. Now you're up shits creek with a turd for a paddle
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Does that mean I can get a GBA/Phone thingy? Shit, I wait like twenty years to get a celllphone, and STILL I bought one TOO SOON. Graaagh, jafd smash. The speed at which cells/PDAs are improving, you could have gotten a P800 now and you'd still feel bummed in 3 months ;-) Anyway, this is from April last year, but it gives you an idea of where cells are at right now. President Bush dismissed last week's worldwide antiwar protests, which some estimate were the largest in human history, and said they would have no effect. "Size of protest — it's like deciding, well, I'm going to decide policy based on a focus group."
-- Harper's Weekly Review (February 25, 2003) |
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I think a pager is as close as I ever want to get to one of those cancer factories. I, Complainicus
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You get a little earphone/microphone thing, plug it into the base, and hold the phone away from your body while you talk. Jesus, Bailey, welcome to the 21st century. Look at your keyboard. Do you see a "Caps Lock" button? You do? Good. Push it once. Thanks.
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Good idea, jafd. I'd pay to see Bailey walking around talking to himself and cursing at nobody in particular. President Bush dismissed last week's worldwide antiwar protests, which some estimate were the largest in human history, and said they would have no effect. "Size of protest — it's like deciding, well, I'm going to decide policy based on a focus group."
-- Harper's Weekly Review (February 25, 2003) |
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And how! FIGHTING FOR PEACE IS LIKE POSTING ON PLANETCRAP FOR INTELLIGENCE! --morn |
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Anyone that believes that cancer crap should buy my patented snake oil. The seeming unanimity among poets makes them look suspiciously like a herd of independent minds.
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Second hand smoke kills! I swear it! "And I'm saying without a relationship with God and those strong convictions HE put in me I wouldn't be a 42 year old who hasn't had sex with anyone today."
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Second hand smoke does kill. Though I suppose me choking you to death for filling my vicinity with smoke is a little bit abstract... FIGHTING FOR PEACE IS LIKE POSTING ON PLANETCRAP FOR INTELLIGENCE! --morn |
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I just read an article in the NYT the other day about how mobile phone consumers are generally unhappy with newer mobile phones because they do a lot of things well -- gaming device, PDA, etc, but they are shitty phones the battery dies every other minute...and uh also the reception sucks because so many phone makers are using internal attennas. 2000/XP is better than Win9x in every way.
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er, because the battery dies... 2000/XP is better than Win9x in every way.
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#19 Charles Second hand smoke does kill. Though I suppose me choking you to death for filling my vicinity with smoke is a little bit abstract... So, you know that the study that everyoune uses to support that was thrown out of a federal court for being bullshit, right? "And I'm saying without a relationship with God and those strong convictions HE put in me I wouldn't be a 42 year old who hasn't had sex with anyone today."
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Okay, how about the people who actually own and use cellphones and don't consider them signs of the anti-Christ contribute useful stuff to the discussion at hand? :) YF, I read that same article. It made me glad that I chose the new Siemens S46 phone since it has a nice, sturdy external antennae. I think that the best games on cellphones are the ones that really take advantage of the wireless nature of it. For instance, one of the games advertized on my AT&T service that I actually can't seem to find is Wall Street Wizard. You get a certain amount of fictitious money and can play the stock market, and the game uses real-time real stock quotes. You play against everyone else who's playing, and the person at the end of the month with the most money wins. A very simple game, but a fun concept that anyone can enjoy. I get the chance to play against other people without actually interacting with them, which I like. Also, I've noticed that many of these games are pay-to-play, but they do it in an interesting way. I paid $0.99, immediately charged to my phone bill when I authorized it, to play a month's worth of Wireless Pets. A dollar for 30 days of play is so cheap I didn't even think twice about authorizing the purchase, especially since I can do it with a simple "ok" confirmation right on my cellphone and have it charged to my monthly bill. This is a brilliant way to offer cheap, fun games, IMO. "That's an interesting viewpoint supported by many factual references, but you failed to note that I really don't care." - Bailey
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So, you know that the study that everyoune uses to support that was thrown out of a federal court for being bullshit, right? There was a study of how often I've murdered a smoker for exhaling in my direction? Damn, and here I thought I'd end up in jail if they found out. FIGHTING FOR PEACE IS LIKE POSTING ON PLANETCRAP FOR INTELLIGENCE! --morn |
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#24 Charles There was a study of how often I've murdered a smoker for exhaling in my direction? Damn, and here I thought I'd end up in jail if they found out. That doesn't really help your "second hand smoke kills" statement. Boom, crash, bang. "And I'm saying without a relationship with God and those strong convictions HE put in me I wouldn't be a 42 year old who hasn't had sex with anyone today."
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I'm sure it does. I mean, we can all agree smoking cigarettes can cause cancer. So why not exposure to that same smoke second hand? I don't need a govenment study to prove that. Allowing the LCD to unduly influence design decisions is what leads to Gladiator winning best picture. -Shadarr
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Bye bye, cell phone gaming topic...we hardly knew ye. *sniff* "That's an interesting viewpoint supported by many factual references, but you failed to note that I really don't care." - Bailey
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So..how about that SNAKE? 2000/XP is better than Win9x in every way.
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Caryn- I love the Qix rip-off on my cellphone. And the blackjack game. Allowing the LCD to unduly influence design decisions is what leads to Gladiator winning best picture. -Shadarr
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Nutty- I got your snake RIGHT HERE! *grabs crotch Allowing the LCD to unduly influence design decisions is what leads to Gladiator winning best picture. -Shadarr
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I play video poker on my phone every day while waiting for the bus. -chris |
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I made tons of cash on my cellphone blackjack. It has a helicopter game too, but it sucks fiercely. What the hell are you starin' at?
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My phone also has a great miniature golf game and camera attachment as well Allowing the LCD to unduly influence design decisions is what leads to Gladiator winning best picture. -Shadarr
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#27 yotsuya I'm sure it does. I mean, we can all agree smoking cigarettes can cause cancer. So why not exposure to that same smoke second hand? I don't need a govenment study to prove that. Too bad science doesn't work like that, or that there isn't any science to back it up. "And I'm saying without a relationship with God and those strong convictions HE put in me I wouldn't be a 42 year old who hasn't had sex with anyone today."
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Here are some of the games that I have access to as an AT&T user. I don't have access to the color graphics ones, but if I had bought a Motorola phone I would. Rather than Tony Hawk on my phone, I'm far more interested in the simple but <i>perpetual<i> games that I can play on my cell phone. I think that's where it's real strength lies. Things I can play over time that are something I can get into and more importantly get out of quickly. Wireless Pets for instance is a Monster Rancher-type game that I can immediately log off of I have to, and that's the nature of cellphone usage. If you start having larger games on there like the full color ones, then I start to worry that, like the article YF mentioned, the phone is much less useful for actual phone useage. "That's an interesting viewpoint supported by many factual references, but you failed to note that I really don't care." - Bailey
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jafd You get a little earphone/microphone thing, plug it into the base, and hold the phone away from your body while you talk. Whatever, luddite. I don't want to look like a complete fag when I'm chatting on the phone. Caryn Okay, how about the people who actually own and use cellphones and don't consider them signs of the anti-Christ contribute useful stuff to the discussion at hand? :) DON'T REPRESS ME, FASCIST. P.S.... <i>perpetual<i> Wrong board, traitor! Anyway, cigars are the only safe second-hand smoke. And so aromatic, mmm... the smell of freedom is the smell of Coo-ba! I, Complainicus
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#37 Bailey P.S.... <i>perpetual<i> Wrong board, traitor! Yeah, I don't know what my problem is tonight. I've got a serious case of foggy brain. I don't seem able to hold up my end of a decent discussion tonight either. :) I didn't eat much at all today, maybe that's it. "That's an interesting viewpoint supported by many factual references, but you failed to note that I really don't care." - Bailey
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Sure, maybe that's it... comrade. I, Complainicus
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Java games using mobile phones is already huge, T-Mobile, Vodafone and Orange in the UK all offer large java games catalogues for their phones. Atari are at the forefront of this, having released a large amount of thier classics archive to the platform, but games like splinter cell are now being made for these phones too. I hear half of you mocking this kind of thing, but if you look carefully at the target markets, they're not aimed so much at the hardcore gamers, but at the general population who've probably never even played half of the atari classics. <jafd> Dating an older woman is probably a lot like running Linux, really.
<jafd> Lots of maintenance, resulting in rewards, that you could have gotten a lot easier elsewhere, if only you knew how. |
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Yeah, so I played Snake on my cell-phone when I was in band, in high school. My phone I have now doesn't even have any games. "And I'm saying without a relationship with God and those strong convictions HE put in me I wouldn't be a 42 year old who hasn't had sex with anyone today."
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But Splinter Cell is targetted at the hardcore! It requires too much quicksaving to be otherwise! I, Complainicus
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But quicksaving will ruin the experience the game designer had in mind! |
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WANK WANK! ALARM! One more deus ex machina alarm and I'll make you quickload, Fisher!! Haggle gaggle, I wish I knew how to make games! I, Complainicus
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Ask Warren. |
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Caryn, Here's a good read on the difficulties of the cell phone market. To add my 2c into the discussion: As of yet, the cell phone gaming has multiple obstacles to overcome. First problem is that people really need to figure out what gaming with the phones should be. Today, everyone still tried to emulate either the older classics (mostly boring) or then fit today's massive big gaming hits (splinter cell, spiderman, tony hawk) into the phone. That's just stupid. When playing Splinter Cell on the phone, you can't help comparing it against the "real" Xbox version of the game, and then you feel like playing an inferior version of the game on a massively inferior platform. The only way gaming on the phones can take off is when people start figuring out new and original content that's tailored for the phones. The examples that you've listed (Wall street broker, virtual pets) are definitely a step into the right direction. I think that gaming with the phones will (at least for the near future, say 3-5 years) stay as a passive entertainment. Sure, you might play a game while waiting for the bus, but you're not really prepared to pay for it. And if you want to play for longer periods of time, you'll need to buy a GBA anyway. |
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I don't want to look like a complete fag when I'm chatting on the phone. Then take the penis out of your mouth. Do I have to explain everything? What Caryn said about the stock market game sounds fantastic. Hook me up with some kind of railroad 18xx type deal and I'll buy a phone just to do that. At least that would prove to be a more useful purchase than a Gamecube. "You speak blasphemy, sir." "Fluently."
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What about Hyperspace Delivery Boy? I, Complainicus
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Then take the penis out of your mouth. Do I have to explain everything? I feel surprisingly unable to take advice to the debutante who gave it away to some third-rate service a mere seven days ago. I, Complainicus
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Petri Jarvilehto, You mean a game that isn't based from pong? Does such a game exist? Seriously though, what you and many other critics find boring, many of the general consumer masses get easily addicted to, look at nokias snake game as an example, who'd have thought there would be regional championships for it? <jafd> Dating an older woman is probably a lot like running Linux, really.
<jafd> Lots of maintenance, resulting in rewards, that you could have gotten a lot easier elsewhere, if only you knew how. |
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