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Kick the Head! KICK IT!!!
January 31st 2003, 20:40 CET by Caryn No, this isn't about censorship. No, it's not about ratings. But is about personal limits in video games. Foul Mag has posted up some video footage of Postal 2. I watched, and something occured to me that surprised me: I was actually really disgusted by what I saw. I'm one of those people that aren't bothered by violence in video games, even somewhat gratuitous violence. I'm a very vocal proponent of parental responsibility in games -- it's not the developer's job, beyond providing an option, perhaps, to turn off the gore, to police your kids. But watching the Postal 2 video really got my stomach twisted. I realized while watching it that I really DO have limits as to what I can personally take in a video game, whether it's violence or sex or any other kind of content, and that Postal 2 definitely goes beyond my own limits. I wouldn't presume to place those limits on someone else, but it did get me wondering: do any of you have limits as to how much violence or sexual content you can take in a game, or does it all fall under the umbrella of "it's just a game"? |
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Mac it means that some 18 year old keeps fucking with you as a prelude to trying to kick your ass backed by a group of his friends. Sometimes he'll fuck with you first to see how you respond, if you slap him around right away, then you won't have a problem with him or his crew, if you make an example of him no will will bother you for a couple of years. And by making an example I mean you put him in the hospital. M0nty its not a superhero thing its just a "have to do" thing. I envy Funk the fact that he never had to put up with any of this crap. Since the work of John von Neumann, "games" have been a scientific metaphor for a much wider range of human interactions in which the outcomes depend on the interactive strategies of two or more persons, who have opposed or at best mixed motives - Game Theory by Roger McCain
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Jesus, Xero. It sounded like you lived in the Israel-West Bank... Man, you should move up to Canada, where according to Michael Moore, it's paradise compared to the States! We don't even bother locking our doors even! He wasn't all that far from the truth. The only reason I bother locking my doors (this is downtown toronto), is because when I lived in Vancouver, people would occasionally just wander in to my apartment before realizing they were in the wrong place. When I lived with my parents in northern Alberta, we only ever locked the doors at night when we went to sleep, and even then it wasn't really a priority. I was amazed to find out that people lock their doors while they are at home and not sleeping in the US. "People who give John Edwards money are stupid, and you're stupid for defending them, stupid." -- Your Friend |
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Dead Alive is awesome. Was that the one with the lawnmower? "People who give John Edwards money are stupid, and you're stupid for defending them, stupid." -- Your Friend |
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Man like I said earlier Michael Moore made Canada look like paradise. I remember that when we lived in London we never locked the doors either. : ) Since the work of John von Neumann, "games" have been a scientific metaphor for a much wider range of human interactions in which the outcomes depend on the interactive strategies of two or more persons, who have opposed or at best mixed motives - Game Theory by Roger McCain
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Compared to that, Canada is paradise on Earth. Even in Vancouver, where they profess to have a gang problem, it's still a big deal when a gang member gets killed. |
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Hong Kong movies tend to make violence look more like a ballet, in a good sense. Only to have it ripped off by Reservoir Dogs (aka Chow Yun Fat's 1987's City on Fire), The Matrix and Kill Bill. |
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Man like I said earlier Michael Moore made Canada look like paradise. I remember that when we lived in London we never locked the doors either. : ) You lived in London, Ontario? Hopefully not the east end of the city... albeit it's nothing compared to New York. |
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I lock my doors when I'm home because otherwise people I know will come in without knocking, and that really pisses me off. My house, stay the fuck out till I invite you in. |
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Yeah, I remember Edmonton's 'gang problem' when I was there. 3 people killed over an entire year. Two restaurant drive-bys, and one car that got shot up with one guy killed. I was living a few blocks away from where it all happened at the time, and I still didn't feel unsafe at any point. I'm glad I never managed to get a job in the US. Very very glad. "People who give John Edwards money are stupid, and you're stupid for defending them, stupid." -- Your Friend |
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Only to have it ripped off by Reservoir Dogs (aka Chow Yun Fat's 1987's City on Fire), The Matrix and Kill Bill. it's not ripping off, it's 'cultural influence' :P "Since most elephants don't comply with the AGP 2.0 specification, we recommend that God does a product recall on all elephants"
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I envy Funk the fact that he never had to put up with any of this crap. I had my share, guy. I was robbed at gunpoint. I got my ass kicked quite a few times, around my way. My dad gave me a lead pipe and told me to go handle my problems. I had to pay the gang kid from down the street to get me some revenge. I've been slammed into a car hood by a cop who thought I looked suspicious. I made my way coming up through the bad days in the 80's by learning to make myself invisible. And it worked most of the time. Funk. An idealist is one who, on noticing that roses smell better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup. ~Henry L. Mencken
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I was amazed to find out that people lock their doors while they are at home and not sleeping in the US. That's odd because on all the American tv shows, people just walk into their friends' unlocked homes/apartments, not even bothering to knock... |
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Euri, if you can't see the difference between Dead Alive (Peter Jackson's "Braindead" everywhere else), and Postal 2, then I take pity on your soul. Dead Alive is awesome. Thanks for putting words in my mouth. I was making the point that people crave hyper-violent gorefests, which is exactly what dead alive is. I didn't say it was ANYTHING LIKE postal 2 :B Lol hi ;(
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My mom's next door neighbor is a very lonely, bitter old man. Several years ago, just after his wife died, he wandered into our house and started calling my mom his wife's name and tried to kiss her. Since then she's kept the doors locked at all times, that was just too creepy. "It's great to be known, but it's even better to be known as strange." - Takeshi Kaga
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I was robbed at gunpoint. it wasn't me, I swear... "Since most elephants don't comply with the AGP 2.0 specification, we recommend that God does a product recall on all elephants"
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I'm glad I never managed to get a job in the US. Very very glad. It's really not so bad here. As a result of the 70 drug usage, the 80's spawned drug wars, which made many places not so nice. NYC was one of those places. As the wars died down, it's gotten much better. If you look at murder statistics, in the 80's they were through the roof. They've gone down over 50%, IIRC, here, and more over the rest of the country. However, that being said, with the upcoming depression, we may roll right back into the environment that made the 80's so bad. Funk. An idealist is one who, on noticing that roses smell better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup. ~Henry L. Mencken
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On TV, people leave the keys in the ignition and the door unlocked. Not to make any sort of statement, but to avoid wasting screen time on irrelevant action. |
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it's not ripping off, it's 'cultural influence' :P Oh, like how Disney was "culturally influenced" by Osamu Tezuka's The Jungle Emperor for The Lion King? |
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Charles: I'm glad I never managed to get a job in the US. Yes, because everyone here goes on random killing sprees. Really, I doubt the US as a whole is much different than Canada with respect to crime. Big cities are different, sure. There are more big cities in the US. But small town crime isn't all that pervasive. Like people were saying earlier, I don't lock my door unless I'm leaving or going to sleep. It's all relative, and if you want to stereotype, that's your problem. BEWARE THE CTHULU MOLE!
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Well, I think it had more to do with where I'd most likely have been located. I'm not making blanket statements, it's just that it would have been likely to end up in or near a larger city. "People who give John Edwards money are stupid, and you're stupid for defending them, stupid." -- Your Friend |
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The first game that made me feel at all uncomfortable was Max Payne, not because it was particularly gory or graphic, but because the main character had absolutely no justification in what he was doing. His wife and sprog get wasted so he proceeds to wipe out several thousand mafioso, not out of revenge but because he's a batshit loony. You can argue that he's supposed to be an anti-hero or that it gets conveniently explained at the end, but it still irked me. "I'm very sorry for your loss, your mother was a terribly attractive woman"
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Eric T. Cheng: I was being sarcastic, of course. but then again, every story is always influenced or inspired by another story, both textually or visually. If you'd be really nitpicky you can tie just about any story in the world to the bible, koran or tora, or whichever holy scripture belongs with the religion of the storywriter. "Since most elephants don't comply with the AGP 2.0 specification, we recommend that God does a product recall on all elephants"
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Sounds like you guys need new personae. By day, they are mild-mannered Xero and Funkdrunk - normal, average PlanetCrap regulars whom no one would give a second glance. But when terror strikes the streets of New York, when young punks try to roll over on you, they become... CRAZY BOOK GUY AND INVISIBLE BOYEE!!!! Together, they roam the backstreets and alleyways of Hollis, fighting crime and couriering computer parts. Everyday folk can rest easy, knowing that these two fine upstanding citizens are taking names and typing flames. |
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Only to have it ripped off by Reservoir Dogs (aka Chow Yun Fat's 1987's City on Fire), The Matrix and Kill Bill. Oh, like how Disney was "culturally influenced" by Osamu Tezuka's The Jungle Emperor for The Lion King? Who wants to guess Eric's ethnicity? |
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I was being sarcastic too. But 1994 The Lion King was a direct rip off of 1965 The Jungle Emperor (which even Matthew Broderick, thought Disney was making a remake of it, when he was doing the voice for Kimba...I mean Simba). The estate for Tezuka didn't want any monetary compensation just a credit in the movie, to which Disney wouldn't even do. |
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Who wants to guess Eric's ethnicity? I'll give you a hint... I'm not Japanese. :P |
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Eric is Canadian. "Is the internet making people less intelligent?"
"You mean like how video cameras cause thrown objects to hit men in the crotch?" |
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Oh, like how Disney was "culturally influenced" by Osamu Tezuka's The Jungle Emperor for The Lion King? You know why his estate never sued over The Lion King? Osamu Tezuka was a Disney fanboi. Bambi was his favorite movie. He admitted openly and loudly that his stuff was all extremely "culturally influenced" by Disney, particularly Bambi. From the 'big eyes' to the animation style. So what goes around comes around, eh? Disney's real sin is in having a corporate line of "no, our animators never saw Kimba the White Lion". The actual act of using the influence was fine. 2000/XP is better than Win9x in every way.
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Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah Crazy Book Guy. Zap! Pow!, Crash! Remember to follow the continuing adventures of Crazy Book Guy and Invisible Boyee every thursday night on your local Westinghouse station. This is your announcer Monty Ssabmudasi signing off! Since the work of John von Neumann, "games" have been a scientific metaphor for a much wider range of human interactions in which the outcomes depend on the interactive strategies of two or more persons, who have opposed or at best mixed motives - Game Theory by Roger McCain
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Who wants to guess Eric's ethnicity? the fact that he's chinese just means he's probably been in touch with asian cinema a lot more and longer than most of us whiteys. because I have a lot of chinese friends, I also saw more HK movies than the average dutchy, and I find it really stupid that people say The Matrix was all innovative, when the exact same thing had been done a million times before. "Since most elephants don't comply with the AGP 2.0 specification, we recommend that God does a product recall on all elephants"
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Xero: Good Lord, man, you've earned my respect. I thought I'd seen some violence in my life but every so often you forget that there really are neighborhoods out there just like you see in the movies, and that there are real people being affected by them. "I felt that I was inhabiting some kind of interdimensional nexus where the sum total suck from this and all other universes crossed paths." - Terata
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because I have a lot of chinese friends, I also saw more HK movies than the average dutchy, and I find it really stupid that people say The Matrix was all innovative, when the exact same thing had been done a million times before. If you don't see it, it doesn't exist. This is how things are when it comes to mass marketing. Maybe some small HK movies had done what the Matrix did already, but since nobody saw them, who cares? A tree falling in the forest and all that. |
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Cool Caryn, I apologize for the unintentional hijack. Like Funk says its gotten a lot better since the 80's. the 80's were really bad. And my brother and his wife bought a house in a really nice neighborhood, Cherry Hill, NJ awesome place. Nope not London, Ontario but rather London, England. : ) Since the work of John von Neumann, "games" have been a scientific metaphor for a much wider range of human interactions in which the outcomes depend on the interactive strategies of two or more persons, who have opposed or at best mixed motives - Game Theory by Roger McCain
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do any of you have limits as to how much violence or sexual content you can take in a game, or does it all fall under the umbrella of "it's just a game"? There are no limits. Having said that, you know, me, personally... I've got a place in my life for urine. And emblazoned upon my monitor just isn't it. The peeing on the corpses... that's no different, not one jot, that strolling up to a shield generator in Jedi Knight 2 or a medbot in Deus Ex. It doesn't matter if the act of urination grants a game reward, as the pathetic Duke Nukem offered. Whether walking up to a corpse and pushing the space bar gives you an extra 50 health, or 50 shields, or simply an allegedly entertaining animation -- functionally identical. Now, if there's compelling gameplay, and reasonably worthy production values, hey, you've got my attention. You're well on your way to getting my dollar. If you're anally impaling animals in order to create some kind of super-weapon, that's where I have to part company. Now, I like the idea of sticking wires into my skull and shooting cyber-lightning out of nostrils. You know, that's just me. I'm not really in favor of sticking wires into the skulls of animals and then blowing them up while they scream. If the kitty was your cunning ally who asked you to smash the rifle muzzle up his ass, you know, for a cause, I could easily accept that. There's basically no place for rape in any game. I mean, unless it's really classy rape. I mean, cat rape? RAISE THE BAR, FUCKOS. There's a big leap from looking at the sun to making a hydrogen bomb. In between, you just go blind.
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Warren any word on when Epic's Bonus Pack will be released? Since the work of John von Neumann, "games" have been a scientific metaphor for a much wider range of human interactions in which the outcomes depend on the interactive strategies of two or more persons, who have opposed or at best mixed motives - Game Theory by Roger McCain
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Xero, 1. I work 5 minutes from Cherry Hill (Mount Laurel) 2. The bonus pack was just released. Check your favorite sites for it. BEWARE THE CTHULU MOLE!
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When we first came to the US, we wrote down a list of cities we'd never live in or near. One of the only decent cities left was Seattle. So, here I am! Lol hi =]
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Greg DE's bonus pack was just released. The Epic one is still in testing/development. |
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Eric, you should be happy that films like The Matrix exist--they helped a lot of folks discover Asian cinema (myself included). |
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Warren, My apologies. I didn't know there were two separate bonus packs in the works. Now I know! BEWARE THE CTHULU MOLE!
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Jafd, I agree with a lot of what you said, and that really weirds me out. |
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I would like to add that I had no problem with the killing of the virtual children. There's a big leap from looking at the sun to making a hydrogen bomb. In between, you just go blind.
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Cool I love that place, I work in Hoboken myself. The Digital Extremes pack comes out today, but Epic is also supposedly working on a Bonus Pack. Best game support for any game, evar. Since the work of John von Neumann, "games" have been a scientific metaphor for a much wider range of human interactions in which the outcomes depend on the interactive strategies of two or more persons, who have opposed or at best mixed motives - Game Theory by Roger McCain
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The difference between The Matrix and most HK cinema for me is that in The Matrix the over-the-top wire-fu works because it neatly fits into the plot of living within the machine with bendable rules. When I see similar crazy moves pulled off in movies that for all outward appearances are supposed to take place in our current known universe, it really turns me off. It worked for me in CTHD, because the direction and setting suggested an epic fantasy story. But the same sort of thing done in a modern setting? I just can't suspend my disbelief enough. 2000/XP is better than Win9x in every way.
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anally impaling animals in order to create some kind of super-weapon 'mischevious' was the only word I could find for that. "Since most elephants don't comply with the AGP 2.0 specification, we recommend that God does a product recall on all elephants"
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If you're anally impaling animals in order to create some kind of super-weapon, that's where I have to part company. Understatement of the year. The cat on the end of the gun made me bite my lower lip, it was so inappropriate I didn't even know what the hell to think. Lol hi =]
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I would like to add that I had no problem with the killing of the virtual children. Quit it! It's like you're plagarising things I haven't said yet. |
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Yeah, Warren, I'm kind of curious how you can afford to give away stuff for free. 'd offer up a brick to the back of your head boy, if I were Cain.
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I won't kill women or children even in a game. I will kill small animals though. Since the work of John von Neumann, "games" have been a scientific metaphor for a much wider range of human interactions in which the outcomes depend on the interactive strategies of two or more persons, who have opposed or at best mixed motives - Game Theory by Roger McCain
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mgns Yeah, Warren, I'm kind of curious how you can afford to give away stuff for free Don't say that too loud. They may figure out they they're not supposed to. Funk. An idealist is one who, on noticing that roses smell better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup. ~Henry L. Mencken
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