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November 23rd 2002, 08:13 MSK by m0nty There mustn't be much to do in Reno, Nevada. A bunch of college kids from the local university have staged a reenactment of an episode of the Friends TV show on an online Quake 3 server. The ringleader was Joseph DeLappe, an self-proclaimed "artist" who played Ross. Before we begin, it must be said that Joseph has already, in all likelihood, been condemned to spend eternity in the fiery pits of Sheol, so we shouldn't be too harsh on him. DeLappe is a performance artist, which basically means he repurposes existing objects in attempt to create art, as in this piece involving a model train set drawing a circle. This is not the first time he has "performed" on online gaming servers - in fact, the Quake Friends piece is part of a series started last year when he logged on to a Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force server and proceeded to quote the entirety of Allen Ginsberg's poem, Howl. DeLappe has also claimed artistic status for playing Unreal, shopping on eBay, and doing his taxes. He also has a thing for the mouse, not to mention sex dolls. Of course, this is not the first time FPSs have been used for artistic purposes, with entire movies being created within FPS engines at sites like Machinima, but the Quake Friends performance was in real time, which makes it somewhat different. There was no work done in skinning the Q3A models to make them resemble the actual characters. One notable fact in the performance was that all of the actors were male, which hardly subverts the hegemonic paradigm when it comes to online gaming. In a display of good taste which brings a tear to the eye of every Friends-hatah, the other players on the Q3A server at the time took great delight in killing the "cast" multiple times. Our performers functioned as passive, neutral visitors to the game - we were constantly killed and reincarnated to continue the performance. The work is intended as a parodic mixing of popular entertainment to create a temporal occurrence of clashing inanities. Is Quake Friends a brilliant critique of the Buddhist nature of online gaming, where all the world's a stage, and the players get reincarnated continuously to serve their place on the great wheel of life? Or is DeLappe the laziest performance artist in history? Can valid art exist in an online gaming server? What next: UT2k3 Touched By An Angel? |
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While I'm at it, can anyone recommend some good NWN single-player user made campaigns? The only one I played that I really enjoyed was Sex and the Single Adventuress, but I haven't played any noew modules in a while. I'll reinstall either later today or tomorrow and check out some new ones, and I'm always up for a Crap Campaign. If copying and pasting a Friends script into Quake is art then I made playing Starcraft over Battlenet a motherfucking masterpiece by quoting the entirety of Rocky Horror Picture Show into a "KEKEKEKE 2 hour no rush!" game. Only I called it being extremely obnoxious, not artistic. It won't have any impact on DNF. Nothing really does.
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The politics goes in all directions of course, for example, there was griping in some cases about books by black or female or gay authors being taught instead of the "classics", your (stereotypical dead white usual literary suspects). That is a candidate for "Hugin's most stupid position in a conversation yet." Race isn't a factor in everything, Hugin. Are you saying that the great authors are great simply because they're white? That Oscar Wilde guy, what was his sexuality again? Keep your race card out of the literary arena. Orwell, Shakespeare, Dickens, et al are being taught because they're white? In my English Lit classes I don't think race and/or sexuality ever came up, we were too busy tearing apart and analysing their respective bodies of work. Imagine the world in a bottle. We take that bottle, smash it, and open your throat with it. I warn you, we are murderous - COIL
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MCorleone: It is an issue to the extent that boards have been trying to get more black/gay/female authors on their syllabi (?) to look more PC. Unfortunately, if you are studying English literature then there isn't as much to chose from compared to the wealth of white, male and (purportedly) straight literature coming at you from the year dot. So in order to be PC the boards were sacrificing a good slab of our literary tradition, which I think was slightly silly, but not because I object to studying black/gay/female authors. ++ plug-in baby ++
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We should probably redefine 'art' at this point. "Quit whining you haven't done anything wrong because, frankly, you haven't done much of anything."
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Why do some people feel compelled to always bitch about topics they don't like? You're not being forced to participate and the submission bin is open to all. On the subject: it's art. Dumb, waste of time art, but art. "I don't bemoan the great paste" - LPMiller
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Er, MCorleone, I simply was pointing out that it wasn't just conservatives and fundamentalists pressuring school boards and teachers to pick or not pick this or that book or text, that liberal and minority groups try to apply pressure as well, that the process has become politicised all around. The sort of mainstream, classic authors and texts that are argued over in these debates, Chaucer, Shakespeare, Hemingway, Joyce, Twain etc, are routinely referred to as "the dead white guys", it's become a sort of derisive shorthand reference, which is why I put "stereotypical" in front of it, because it lumps people of vastly different eras and political beliefs and social standings etc all together under one umbrella as if they necessarily represent a monolith when I don't feel they do. No, race isn't a factor in everything, but it for damn sure is a factor in the selection of texts for high school and college classes, as is gender and other factors, for both those who want to add diversity in what's being taught (which I think is generally a good idea), and for those who don't want to sacrifice quality of education just to make a syllabus look more plotically acceptable (which I also think is a good idea. It's just a balancing act trying to broaden and modernize while not losing an identifiable core when you have finite time and finite resources.) Which is all a long winded way of saying I think you missed my point. |
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I thought games weren't supposed to be art ... Or is Friends art? |
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I'm wondering if this isn't all just an elaborate excuse to play games in his Digital Art class. From looking at some of the photos its seems like there is quite the nice setup in there.... "Dream of me... and maybe, just maybe, this nightmare will end."
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Also MCorleone, I in no way said the art of the 20's-40's was bankrupt. Not even close. I said I think it got largely swept out of the public conciousness by WW2 and postwar social reconstruction, which meant the same ideas or lessons those artists were working on back then could show up again as if they were new 40 years later. The fundamental importance or rightness of thier ideas is precisely why they show up again in the works or later artists, I was essentially bemoaning a culture's ability to forget a whole period. |
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The only true art is porn. EOD. Dangerman has a posse.
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I agree with Bailey. ++ plug-in baby ++
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Strangely, my parents didn't share the same view when I ordered her book from Amazon. ++ plug-in baby ++
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I wouldn't say this is art whatsoever. The guy basically takes the visual element/staging from something (quake engine and levels involved), puts it with the verbal element (script) of another and puts them together doing nothing on his own except being the digital orator of this bastardized concept. What the fuck? This guy did absolutely no work at all, and I despise all people who are like him who consider things like that to be artwork... worthless fucking assholes with no idea of what innovation means, I shit on them and all of their recycled garbage. I'm like a quote out of context...
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The guy basically takes the visual element/staging from something (quake engine and levels involved), puts it with the verbal element (script) of another and puts them together doing nothing on his own except being the digital orator of this bastardized concept. So what do you think a movie director does? |
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In my mind this would qualify more as making art out of a video game. Cliche art maybe, but the cooperation is impressive at least. Especially to get the camera angles right. It won't have any impact on DNF. Nothing really does.
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Speak for yourself...I don't know enough about art to contribute meaningfully at all to the conversation, but I'm really enjoying reading the discussion discussion my left nut. There ain't no latte, there ain't no black berrets, there ain't no clove smokes, and chris ain't here. I believe I can fly......urk.
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#65 - I beleive directors actually choose most of the shots and the general theme/tempo/appearance of the film, which can be drawn from a much more diverse set of things (basically anything in the world, and with advanced CG these days truly "anything") compared to the very limited universe of Quake3. Say, for example he would have gone as far as to model all of the characters to the likeness of their TV persona and made a map of the sets of Friends (apartment and coffee bar or whatever is included) and then tried to emulate the camera angles of the show, plus done voiceovers instead of typing text (for who truly gets any emotion conveyed through text, smiley faces or no?) then maybe he could be given credit for doing something although it still would have been stupid pointless and very unoriginal. I'm like a quote out of context...
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#67 - Well thanks for contributing then.... errr... I'm like a quote out of context...
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I'm sure this was a subtle and nuanced performance, but couldn't any six drunk Crappers put on the same performance? Even *my* meager Google-fu can locate a Friends script. Personally, I prefer to see some evidence of either a) creativity or b) effort in my art If Quake Friends qualifies as art, then PlanetCrap is a virtual Guggenheim. |
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Perhaps if he created some kind of parody/satire of a Friends-like script that had some - any - context in a Quake-like setting, it'd be "art." His project is technically art, but I don't think it is too likely that this is anything more than some over-privileged wanker, wanking. He gets a B- for innovation and an F for effort. Ooh, look! This is post #71! It's art, man! I'm an artiste! I'm really conveying my heavy-duty artistic message! If only had more tags, I'd leave that Picasso chump IN THE DUST!!!1 Don't laugh -- you're next.
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Hugin: Race&Lit: I apologize. Marsh got your point, I missed it, my fault. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Art: By "lost time artistically" I read that as astistically bankrupt. If you say that's not what you meant then I guess I misinterpreted you there, too. Not my day, I'm going back to sleep. Imagine the world in a bottle. We take that bottle, smash it, and open your throat with it. I warn you, we are murderous - COIL
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I'm so happy! |
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now that's art. Still, no clove cigarettes. I believe I can fly......urk.
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Actually, LP, I've had half a dozen today. Don't laugh -- you're next.
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LP, I've put on a black turtleneck and changed my name to "Dieter" to help. Does that count? "Went to eat my breakfast the next morning, the blues started to walkin' all over my bread..." -- Sonny Boy Williamson, 23 Hours Too Long
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Atkins Dieter? Imagine the world in a bottle. We take that bottle, smash it, and open your throat with it. I warn you, we are murderous - COIL
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Dieter Law? Shudder. Alright, alright, you got a the cloves and the turtleneck. Carry on. Me, I'm going to short sheet all your beds. Assuming one can shortsheet futons. I believe I can fly......urk.
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I consider my wang to be art. Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration. "I fart in THX." - Sgt_Hulka |
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Art, fruity, what's the difference? "Siu lam gong fu hou ye... hen hou ye..."
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Wankers who think they can disregard all forms of logic because they learned how to spout the phrase "I'm an artist" annoy me to no end. There are only 10 types of people in the world - those that understand binary and those that don't.
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hmm. i guess "whatever floats your boat" applies here? |
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Gimme an F, gimme an R, gimme a U, gimme an I, gimme a T, gimme a Y, what do you get? Anthony? "Siu lam gong fu hou ye... hen hou ye..."
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You want art? Play ICO. That is the only game I ever felt was Art, with a capital A. |
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I consider my wang to be art. –Joker How intriguing. This statement causes us to re-evaluate his work in its totality. We see now, how the artist's comments on his Wang, come from a vulnerable denial of the impotence within his man-hood. The Wang now, instead of a sexual symbol of power and domination, ironically becomes a limp effigy of the artist, a modern man whose masculinity has been damaged and lost. His posts now seen from this new perspective are a cry for help, in his eternal search for his metaphysical Wang. Notice also, how his posts over time almost seem to disappear within the Grey Industry of the Crap. They become like the poor and downtrodden of society, who blend into our Concrete Jungles. Joker now embodies everyman—he is Willy Loman, made flesh. But is Joker doomed to the same fate? All it takes is for one person to notice, one person to reach out and touch the Wang... so why do we distance ourselves? Are we too in denial? Are we afraid that in helping him confront his Wang, we too shall have to confront our own? These are but a few of the questions that Joker asks of us in this truly seminal piece of performance art. |
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What about games that were art with a capital G? "Siu lam gong fu hou ye... hen hou ye..."
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Gart? |
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Gay? "Siu lam gong fu hou ye... hen hou ye..."
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The only art with a Capital G is shown during Dexter's Laboratory. "Is the internet making people less intelligent?"
"You mean like how video cameras cause thrown objects to hit men in the crotch?" |
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There's doom and there's gloom and I'm too drunk to remember what else is there, but you'll be lying in your tomb, whatever, blah, blah. "Siu lam gong fu hou ye... hen hou ye..."
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No, I'll be lying in your tomb buddy... yeah... sounds good I'm like a quote out of context...
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No, no it doesn't. Imagine the world in a bottle. We take that bottle, smash it, and open your throat with it. I warn you, we are murderous - COIL
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What? "Siu lam gong fu hou ye... hen hou ye..."
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What has the world come to, when tomb thieves can be so blatant in their threats, with no fear of recrimination? -chris |
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Marsh, What if I, not even considering myself an artist, throw bits of paint around on a canvas in a way that I find to be pretty, and in the process I just happen to produce Crows Over the Wheat Fields? Or, in writing a pulpish story about a falsely accused hero, I produce The Trial? What if a thousand monkeys typing on a thousand keyboards actually do produce Hamlet? (Imaigne also that these works are originals, of course.) Is the potency of these works changed, somehow, by my (the artist's) simplistic interpretations of them? If you buy into the infinite potential of the imagination, then the concept of a ``new'' idea--implicitly arising from some external source--is a fallacy. When you experience such ideas, inspiration, emotions, or what have you, I think you are, in fact, having personal revelations. The sensory input of a work of art, if it's involved, is merely speeding you along a dream path that you haven't yet found in your retrospective reverie. |
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I agree with LPMiller, this thread is pissing me off. "This is planetcrap, where we nuke everything from orbit." - Bailey
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Oh, also... That page is beautiful. I actually had a similar idea at one point--a series of photographs of sex, taken by the participants. It was generally agreed that it would be really interesting, and certainly much prettier than any of the typical pornographic fare. I'm sorely tempted to get her book. |
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#85 nice analysis there son, but jafd will no doubt assure you my wang is far from weak, having been receiving it for almost 2 years now, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, non stop raw power. truely illustrating the force of nature. #97 yes it is, just what my wang needed this weekend. I wonder if leslie got any ideas when he saw that site. Perhaps he'll also be releasing digital diaries of his own soon. Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
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What has the world come to, when criminals come and they, they take, they steal the phones! Imagine the world in a bottle. We take that bottle, smash it, and open your throat with it. I warn you, we are murderous - COIL
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Will you go to lunch? Go to lunch. Will you go to lunch?! "Quit whining you haven't done anything wrong because, frankly, you haven't done much of anything."
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