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Entertainment Journalism
April 28th 2000, 12:04 CEST by andy This story is about irresponsible journalism, or 'entertainment' journalism as it is becoming known - news reported in a deliberately provocative or distorted way, intended to 'amuse' the reader and damn the consequences. Increasingly nowadays, I think people are getting sick of bad journalism, especially opinion pieces which pose as being something else. The media can and does influence our daily lives, and individual journalists have a lot of power to affect social attitudes and sway public opinion. Specifically, I expect most Planetcrap readers dislike the way that the mainstream media has recently been trying to convince people that violent games are evil and dangerous, while the gaming press has been trying to convince them that they are just a healthy, harmless way of passing the time - neither side presenting any evidence, of course, just preaching in that high-and-mighty tone that journalists seem to be born with. As the 'Crap has been off-air for a while, and the worst of the media's witch-hunting / blind defending of games took place in that time, I'm guessing there are a lot of people out there with pent-up opinions they'd like to share. To kick things off, I'll fill you in on something that has been bugging me recently. It isn't directly games-related, but it concerns a site most of you have probably visited sometimes. Ladies and gentlemen, presenting for your entertainment today... The Register. (Cue half-hearted drum roll and apathetic fanfare.) Once you've had a quick scout around The Register, go and have a look at this story from the Observer newspaper: Where child porn lurks on the Net. Unashamedly mainstream and deliberately non-technical, that was the result of around four months of research into a British ISP, Demon Internet, and a regulatory body, the Internet Watch Foundation. I think it turned out very well. The only thing I wasn't happy about was that the article didn't go far enough, as some of the more 'shocking' information was excluded for legal reasons. Now go and have a look at how the article was covered by The Register. Fairly straight reporting (although I'd question the repeated use of the word 'allegedly' when referring to known facts) but what you won't know from reading the story is that the subheading on the site's main page dismissed the Observer article as a "scare story which goes too far". Along with terrorism, kidnapping and information that may lead to mass hysteria, I think it's fair to say that reporting about child porn and child abuse in general requires the utmost care. That care - above and beyond - was taken with the Observer article, so I think it was extremely irresponsible of The Register to dismiss it as a "scare story", especially when their own article made no attempt to explain why they described it as such. More disturbing, when I contacted the Register journalist who wrote the story, his explanation was: "It is our view at The Register that too many Net stories are scare stories." Not much of an explanation at all, really. (He even went on to say that the Observer article could be viewed as either a scare story or "fair comment", which didn't make much sense to me at the time and still doesn't.) Hoping that The Register would invest some time in more objective reporting, I explained that there was a lot of information not included in the Observer article that I would be willing to give to them - no payment, no conditions, I'd just hand over the info. I made this offer twice, to two Register journalists, and neither was interested. Neither even asked what sort of info I was talking about. Naturally, this got me thinking: What sort of journalist dismisses as a 'scare story' the reporting of a commercial conflict of interest that allows paedophiles easy access to child porn, then can't offer any decent reason for why he did so and turns down information that could have lead to an important story? Easy: an entertainment journalist. Since all of this took place, about a month ago, I've made a point of reading as many Register stories as possible, and it has become obvious that the site is pure, unadulterated entertainment news: Dull stories are written cynically with lashings of sarcasm; stories about individuals or companies include facetious insinuations about their integrity and reputation; stories about products or services pose quasi-satirical questions about their worth without explaining why. In other words, The Register journalists are taking the most tabloid of approaches to their reporting of news - they write in such a way as to provoke an emotional reaction, whatever it is and at whoever's expense. It's appalling journalism, but it pulls in the crowds like nothing else. Go and have a look through some of The Register's stories to see for yourself what I mean, but if you want to jump to the most blatant examples, here are a few recent ones that I've picked out: Metallica sues Napster. The most biased piece of writing I've seen in a long time, reporting Metallica's decision to sue Napster for "in effect, trafficking in stolen goods". After quoting drummer Lars Ulrich's comments about Metallica being sickened that their music is "being traded like a commodity rather than the art that it is", for some reason the Register journalist points out that Metallica is "as much a tight business organisation as an artistic endeavour" and then sardonically dismisses Ulrich as a 'tub thumper'. Does a 'tight business organisation' not have a right to defend its commercial interests? Is the law suit less valid because the person speaking about it is the band's drummer? This appears to be what the Register journalist is hinting at, but he doesn't actually come out and say it - if he did, at least readers would know they were reading an opinion piece. Incredibly, towards the end of the story, the journalist takes it upon himself to declare: "Napster was designed to aid the distribution of MP3 files, and MP3 has always been said by the format's proponents to be about taking the power of distribution away from the major labels and putting it back in the artists' hands. Clearly, as a band of artists, Metallica disagrees. And as an international business too, that goes double." That summary makes a HUGE leap of non-logic, saying that because Metallica doesn't want people using MP3 to steal their intellectual property, they must also disapprove of other artists using MP3 to distribute their own music. Something tells me this journalist simply doesn't approve of the law suit against Napster. (He's a bit more restrained in his Napster rapped by rapper story, but I think his bias still creeps in a little.) Name Keeper names no IP names. I'll not say too much about this because to be honest I'm not sure what I could say without risking lawyer problems, but what sort of respectable publication would run an advertorial, promoting and endorsing a commercial service, but present it as a regular news item? TV show rips off Britain's brains. Not so much entertainment journalism as just a total lack of responsibility, but that's equally bad, if not worse. The British TV station Channel Four is running a competition in which people can submit their ideas for online businesses. There's £2m available for investment in ideas that a panel of judges and venture capitalists like the sound of. Open to abuse? Yes, of course - the people running the show (one of the brightest and most promising production companies in the UK) could conceivably take your idea and use it themselves. Unlikely, but possible. The Register had so much confidence in this theory that it brazenly declared the competition a rip-off and quoted some legalese from the Terms & Conditions, translating it as: "Basically, whatever you send to us is ours. Forever." The trouble is, that isn't what the quoted clause means. It means that the show's producers retain the right to use "your name and/or likeness and/or the results of your appearance". They get to print your name and photo in promo material - they don't get to steal your idea. Being an interfering git, but a helpful one, I sent a note to the Register journalist who wrote the story and pointed out how he had misunderstood the contract. No reply. The story stayed on the site, unaltered. The next day I wrote to The Register's editor, who I've contacted several times before and always received a reply, but he didn't respond either. And to this day, the story is still on the site, accusing a highly-respected TV channel and production company of conspiring to steal people's business ideas, based entirely on a misunderstanding by someone who doesn't know how to read a legal document. Entertainment journalism is nothing new - British newspapers such as The Sun and The Sport have worked that way for years and they never pretend otherwise - but it becomes a problem when it masquerades as something more valuable. The Register is presented as a hard-hitting, serious, accurate and reliable news site, with a team of journalists that have their finger on the pulse of the IT industry and know their subjects inside and out. The truth is that the site occasionally runs decent exposés and some members of the team are bright journalists with good insider information, but apart from that it's just sensationalist tabloid trash, pandering to its audience's whims and prejudices with distorted reporting, juvenile name-calling and 'underground' news leeched shamelessly from hacking sites. One PR agent at a large British company, regularly featured on The Register, told me about a year ago how people from the site would often call his department, asking about stories that were pure fiction. Of course, the stories would be denied, but would then appear on The Register with the only proof offered being the typical between-the-lines argument of "they denied it, so it must be true". Where the anecdote turns really ugly, is that more often than not, according to this PR agent, his department would get a 'jokey' call from The Register a few days later, admitting that they now knew the story was false, yet the story would stay on the site with no form of apology or retraction. As far as irresponsible journalism goes, I think that says it all. If, as appears to be the case, The Register has a policy of never publicly admitting to its mistakes, how can anyone ever be confident that anything they read there is true? |
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<b>#23</b> "Steve Bauman" wrote... <QUOTE>They use "allegedly" exactly once in the article you linked into, but perhaps you, in haste or an attempt to "pump" up your own story and make it more punchy, said there were "repeated" uses of the word.</QUOTE> Stupidity. Not deliberate, I assure you. I'd been going to comment on how they said 'allegedly', 'claimed' and 'suggests', but somewhere between brain and keyboard they got muddled into one. My point was that the whole of the Register story was non-committal, which made me think that the person writing it didn't actually know what he was talking about. The most obvious example is in the third paragraph: "Demon, The Observer claimed, continued to carry a number of the newsgroups banned by other ISPs." That's a known fact. Demon acknowledges it. The IWF acknowledges it. Why act like there's some uncertainty? Journalists have a responsibility to their readers. The Register journalist introduced doubt where there has never been any. That's irresponsible. <QUOTE>Then there's advocacy journalism versus straight journalism. It would appear to me the Register follows the guides of the former, that is they write stories with a point of view.</QUOTE> Advocacy journalism is fine with me. My favourite journalist writes advocacy. Hell, 99% of what I've ever written myself is advocacy / opinion pieces. What's important, though, is that advocacy should never be presented as anything else. The Register acts like its dispensing facts. <QUOTE>I'd prefer something more concrete than the vague "thousands," especially when later it becomes "scores". So what is it? Thousands? Hundreds? Hundreds of thousands?</QUOTE> When I did the original research, between August and November of last year, I concentrated on one specific group. There were, on average, around 800 pictures / videos in that group each day. There are a further three groups that are also quite active, with a few hundreds posts each day. In a version of the article that I wrote myself I actually went into great detail about the number of pictures contained in the group I'd monitored, compared to the number in normal adult porn groups. I didn't write the Observer article, but I don't have a problem with the way it was phrased. <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Sorry about that last post, CrapSpy had crashed and I forgot to re-enter my details. |
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Warren, #28: <QUOTE> Requiring registration may alleviate it somewhat since most of the "First post, bitches!" posts are by anons... </QUOTE> Agreed. Morn, although this may not be a popular idea with you, it seems that the majority of PC posters are willing to put a name behind their opinions. Such a move <I>might</I> be worth it in the long run. |
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Registration is fine with me. I don't like to register for news service sites, but I don't mind if its a discussion forum. |
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The Napster/MP3 thing is just the musical incarnation of software pirating ... same excuses, same justifications, etc ... It's really nothing new. But now it's in the public eye, so it's going to get it's 15 minutes of fame. I use Napster ... but I also buy the CD's for the bands I really like ... most of which I discover by using Napster (or getting MP3's from friends). On the other hand, I don't warez games. I haven't for many years. Hmm ... |
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Man, I want to say something, but my mind is as blank as a fart. I'm just pissed that I can't go to E3 this year, oh well, there's always next year, that is unless I die in the war, or Romero gets a hold of me. I'm not afraid of Romero, but that hair frightens the living daylights out of me! |
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I bet Romero's got one <I>ugly</I> melon beneath all that hair. I remember when I got pig-shaved in Basic Training...not a pretty sight. |
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<quote>The most obvious example is in the third paragraph: "Demon, The Observer claimed, continued to carry a number of the newsgroups banned by other ISPs." That's a known fact. Demon acknowledges it. The IWF acknowledges it. Why act like there's some uncertainty? </quote> Well, they're not reporting the actual facts, they're reporting The Observer's repesentation of the facts. They're reporting on a report. If they didn't do the research, they're actually doing the right thing. It'd be like me finding a John Romero quote on Gamespot and saying, "John Romero said...", when in fact I should be saying "John Romero was quoted on Gamespot as having said..." because I do not know if the quote, indeed, was accurate or not. I'n not really defending the story, but I think it was non-commital because one journalistic entity covering another is a minefield of potential litigation... if one fucks up a single word when covering the other, you know they'll be all over it with lawyers in tow... <quote>What's important, though, is that advocacy should never be presented as anything else. The Register acts like its dispensing facts. </quote> That I would agree with. Not necessarily about the Register itself (because I'm neither a reader, nor do I really care about it), but the sentiment. It's really bad when it's subtle; when coveirng a trial or something, instead of saying "Fred stood in the corner awaiting his fate," you could say, "Fred stood menacingly in the corner awaiting his fate" or "Fred stood solemnly in the corner awaiting his fate" and really change the way a reader perceives the story or the people within them. Death to adjectives and adverbs in straight news! (Ugh... want some water to make that less DRY) <quote>In a version of the article that I wrote myself I actually went into great detail about the number of pictures contained in the group I'd monitored, compared to the number in normal adult porn groups. I didn't write the Observer article, but I don't have a problem with the way it was phrased. </quote> Based on your numbers, I'd say they exaggerated a tiny bit for effect. Enough to deserve someone else pointing it out as a scare piece? No, probably not. |
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hrm ... Dr Dre is banging on about Napster stealing. anyone else find it BLOODY ironic that hes under legal challenge for using an unauthrorised sample from another artist. anyone want to explain to me where precisely the difference is? Oh and Lars _is_ little more than a danish ex tennis star turned pro tub thumper. The fact that he blathers complete shite in most interviews fully upholds the registers sniffy dismissial. After all drummers arent noted for being the most intelligent guys around (Keith moon anyone?) Ironic .... seeing as Roger Taylor of Queen had more than one degree. Bill Ward of Black Sabbath likewise .. Mike Bordin ex Faith No More .. oh and Id hard class myself as dim .. and I play drums too :) Ds |
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<quote> -You can't properly educate them (public) without giving them the information. -You can't give them ALL the information without making the situation worse. </quote> I ran into this problem when I started to work on a story about Warez and the Web. I thought it would be interesting to try to figure out who owns these warez sites (I suspect they're marketing vehicles for porno sites), why they do it, etc. But it may actually promote the sites; I was trying to figure out how to rename all the sites (becuase most are also the URLs) and do all sorts of things to try to keep the article focused. I may revisit the idea, but I had to drop it and move on to other things. |
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<b>#37</b> "Steve Bauman" wrote... <QUOTE>Well, they're not reporting the actual facts, they're reporting The Observer's repesentation of the facts.</QUOTE> The bit about Demon carrying groups that other ISP's don't carry was presented by The Observer as a straight fact, not a 'representation'. For The Register to cover it as a 'claim' suggests that it may, possibly, not be true. If we'd said something explosive like, for example, "in 1996 Demon recognised the commercial value of child porn newsgroups and launched a new dial-up service in the Netherlands", then THAT should be reported as a claim. But when the company itself acknowledges that something is true, and has even been using it as a PR vote winner for the last eight years, there's no excuse for a reporter clouding the issue. That's not journalistic duty, it's either ignorance or malice. <b>#37</b> "Steve Bauman" wrote... <QUOTE>Based on your numbers, I'd say they exaggerated a tiny bit for effect.</QUOTE> It's possible to download 2,000+ unique child porn pics from Demon's news server within most 24 hour periods, so I don't think there was any exaggeration. |
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SiliconVortex: God I hate LA local news, why is it they use the term 'Southland' in every sentence? ;) Plus what's up with 15 minutes of Hollywood news EVERYDAY! (ahhh!!!!) It's bad enough I have to live here, without seeing it on the news every night... Anyhoo, back to the topic at hand..if want 'NEWS' in its purest form, just read the yahoo biz wire... (http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/) Otherwise, pick a site with news personalities you enjoy reading, and stick with them :-) |
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<b>Steve:</b> <quote>Death to adjectives and adverbs in straight news!</quote> Absolutely. That was one of the things that drove me mad when I was in the States last summer - the way the US media treats news as a commodity, rather than a straight supply of information. One report that springs to mind was an oil-pipe explosion in Bellingham, in which two young boys were killed, just before I got back to Seattle; the local paper that I read treated the damn thing like a short story, starting their front-page report, no less, with something like 'It was a normal day in Bellingham for little Jimmy Doe - little did he suspect that he would end it in hospital with third-degree burns to his entire body,' or some such fluff. I haven't been able to swiftly track down any British reports on it, but I would imagine that, say, the BBC may have said something like this: 'In Bellingham, in Washington, today, two children were killed in an oil pipeline explosion...' You can see the difference. Admittedly sports reports over here do tend towards the prosaic side of writing, but, at the end of the day, what's more important - that you're fully aware of all available facts concerning a football match, or that you have the same awareness concerning an explosion resulting in a major fire and two childrens' deaths? It really does irk me. Look over the BBC News website, and you'll see how news should be presented - read almost any US newspaper, and you'll see pointless fluff written by journalists trying to prove how big their vocabulary is. |
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<quote>Anyhoo, back to the topic at hand..if want 'NEWS' in its purest form, just read the yahoo biz wire... (http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/)</quote> Actually, it's easier and more complete to use Business Wire themselves instead of Yahoo's feed for it. Why wait for Yahoo's ads and slow loading servers with no sorting by industry? http://www.businesswire.com/ is the way to go if you want press releases.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Yeah, obviously this whole slanted journalism thing works better than we thought. Why else does everyone continue referring to mp3 files as though they were synonymous with music piracy? If this is logical why don't we talk about software piracy and zip files in the same breath? Perhaps it's because the only context mp3s are mentioned in the press is in relation to piracy. Swimming in rising <a href=http://www.hoovers.com/industry/description/0,2205,6240,00.html>profits</a>, the recording industry isn't addressing issues critical to them <i>now</i>, they are trying to secure their control over the music business of the <i>future</i>. What will protect the music production/publishing industry when they aren't able to rely on exclusionary distribution networks? Then there's the whole artist-victim angle... a snowjob. I hope the irony of an ever-expanding, multi-billion dollar a year monster with a well-known appetite for the blood of musicians isn't lost on someone besides myself. I certainly won't lose sleep over their "plight"; I don't, in general, fret too much over bullshit. |
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<quote>The bit about Demon carrying groups that other ISP's don't carry was presented by The Observer as a straight fact, not a 'representation'. For The Register to cover it as a 'claim' suggests that it may, possibly, not be true. </quote> OK, let's say I wrote that story for the Register. You did the legwork, so you know everything in it is absolutely statements of fact. I, however, do not. I have to base everything I know about it on what you're reporting, and if I print what you say as absolute fact and it proves to be wrong, I'm fucked. OK, let's say you write an article "the sky is blue." That's a fact. Then I write one saying "the sky is blue," based on your factual account. But let's say it turns out you were wrong, that you hadn't realized you're colorblind, and the sky is really neon pink. Your article is wrong, your facts are wrong, and guess what, so is mine. This is how news organizations pass on false stories; they go by someone else's reporting, trusting it to be entirely true, and do not, for whatever reason, verify its facts. However, if I said in my article "Andy reports the sky is blue", I've solved that problem (though I'm ethically bound to report your fuck up). Does it add doubt to your own story? Sure it does, it adds the possibility it's not true. But you know what? It has to, and if someone wants more information, they need to track down the original source. But unless I have firsthand knowledge of something, that I've seen the proof with my own eyes, it's absolutely reckless for me to report it as absolute fact. <quote>But when the company itself acknowledges that something is true, and has even been using it as a PR vote winner for the last eight years, there's no excuse for a reporter clouding the issue. That's not journalistic duty, it's either ignorance or malice. </quote> Well, it would require some work for a reporter to look all of that up, so I'd say it's probably neither ignorance nor malice; instead, it's laziness. Laziness is usually the source of most bad journalism... |
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<quote>Look over the BBC News website I get most of my "hard" news from AP and the BBC, mostly through Yahoo. |
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<b>#27</b> "Chango" wrote... <QUOTE>I am against piracy of any kind, so much so I've been known to grass on people I've seen pocketing items at my local Game store, but I also download MP3's quite regularly. This doesn't seem to bother me, adn I think the reason for this is the legal vagueness of MP3's, emulators, etc... whereas walking into a shop and walking out with the latest Metallica CD without paying for it would set alarm bells ringing in my head (due to it being illegal, rather than me wanting a CD by Metallica).</QUOTE> Is it possible that this is because on the net, there are no other people who may see you "steal"? Or rather, that 99.9% of the people around are actually doing the same? Don't get me wrong -- I have a nice little MP3 collection myself (well, compared to what some people I know have collected, it really <i>is</i> tiny), although I do buy most music I like on CD -- not because I want to be honest, but because I just like having the CD around for when I'm not using the computer, or using the computer for something where I can't play MP3s at the same time. It's just that, in my opinion, getting high-quality MP3s is, essentially, the same thing as stealing a music CD, and we're basically just little kids trying to find out how far we can go. Anyway -- whenever someone mentions his "huge ass 25 GB mp3 collection", I just think: why did the guy bother with downloading so much <b>crap</b>? He could just have bought the music he liked for less of the money he's put into downloading all that stuff. Same thing with Napster really -- I'd care more about its legal issues if it wasn't such an utter piece of horse poo. And right now there's a Vengaboys remix playing in the radio, and it seriously makes me wonder why we're bothering with music these days, anyway. :/ - Morn, swinging to the Vengaboys <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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I download Metallica MP3's and immediately delete them, just in spite of those silly overgrown outcasts known as Metallica. Lars is such a wanker. |
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I prefer to buy my music anyway- not least because you get the nice, shiny case and inlay. There are times that I want to get mp3s though:- A significant chunk of my music is on vinyl, and my turntable is in no fit condition to play anything, quite apart from the effort of setting it up through my PC. However, having mp3s of music that I've <b>already</b> got is legal isn't it? Not wishing to seem naive or anything. Not that it particularly matters at the moment anyway. It's not like I can even find any Ned's Atomic Dustbin or Wonder Stuff mp3s. Sigh.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Oops. Crapspy lost my details. #49 was me.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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actually, this is the site i like best off yahoo for entertainment news: <a href="http://biz.yahoo.com/news/entertainment.html" target="_blank">entertainment news</a> yes, this is how i like my news -- clickable headlines in chronological order. and woo does it load fast. updates all the time, too, and the archives just rock. they might have one for straight biz, too, but since this is my industry, this is all i care about. :) and in response to the dailyradar and next-gen thread... well. for obvious reasons, i'll just skip that one. :) i will say this, though: i already miss PCXL. |
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I don't find Business Wire to be a "pure" news source at all - press releases are some of the worst sort of self-congratulation and spin-doctoring. My own company's press releases, while generally containing a few grains of real news, are otherwise complete tripe, window dressing to make a product announcement sound like a major event. Older media types, feeling the pressure from the increasing reliance on online media, are succumbing to the same problems that make online media such a hit-or-miss proposition. Because so much of a website's popularity (and thus revenue stream) is based on the public perception of them being "first with the news", I find most news extremely suspect. This is particularly true in games media. Andy has gone off on online games media before, detailing the ease with which publishers can generate revenue by manipulation of online "journalists" hungry for a few more hits. I find his concerns to be more and more applicable to so-called mainstream media as well. The examples sited by various folks in this thread of television news sensationalism, radio advertising, and etc., are all part and parcel. The point of all this rambling is the same thing I always say when the subject is media - one has to be real careful in deciding who to believe. Motive must always be suspect. Some journalists are just better at hiding their motives than others. :) |
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crash: PCXL is Daily Radar now :-) |
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I'm just posting to try out crapspy for craig <b>#53</b> "Apache" wrote... <QUOTE> crash: PCXL is Daily Radar now :-) </QUOTE> hehehe <b>IGNORE THIS POST PLEASE</b> <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Regarding Napster and the entire MP3 issue: <a href="http://www.msnbc.com/msn/400956.asp">http://www.msnbc.com/msn/400956.asp</a> - Morn <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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'Incredibly, towards the end of the story, the journalist takes it upon himself to declare: "Napster was designed to aid the distribution of MP3 files, and MP3 has always been said by the format's proponents to be about taking the power of distribution away from the major labels and putting it back in the artists' hands. Clearly, as a band of artists, Metallica disagrees. And as an international business too, that goes double."' heh, call me strange, but wouldn't this suit be exactly about Metallica taking the power of distribution back into their own hands, rather than having it in the hands of all of the Napster users out there? A band that's been around for about 20 years and pretty consistantly sold a decent number of CDs/albums each time they put something out most likely has a decent amount of control over their distribution, assuming they didn't sign some screwed up contract in the beginning. Where mp3s and programs like Napster help is when the bands first start out, it allows them to get their music out there and have a wide audience fairly quickly. Also of note is that sales of CDs increased last year, despite the increase in use of programs like Napster to distribute mp3 files illegally. I think it could be said that perhaps people trading mp3 files is increasing sales, because people can hear bands that may not get much radio play, or get a better sampling of what a CD has to offer before buying it. As for the on-topic portion, good luck getting rid of this type of journalism, at the least it appeals to the public by not taking up their time with petty things like proof, examples, and evidence. |
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MSNBC is one of, if not the largest misinformation location on the web. You can't trust a single thing they say. |
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well, the whole 2 CDs I bothered to use the mp3.com beamit software to get access to still work, and yes, this fractional T1 still sucks so bad I can barely listen to them on the 'low quality' setting. I'll just have to take the time to rip the CDs and burn the mp3s to CDs again so I can bring 1 CD to work with 10+ CDs worth of music on it, rather than bringing all of those damned CDs in to get 8 hours of music in my life. Too bad it takes a good hour to do all of that. Would've been nice if that msnbc article had some information, other than just stating that a court ruled mp3.com broke a law and infringed on someone's copyrights. bleh. |
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Apache says: <i>crash: PCXL is Daily Radar now :-)</i> that's what they'd like you to think, but no, it isn't. only Salmon and Osborne went to Radar--Rob Smith went to PCG, and i don't know where the rest of 'em went. that's like sayin since Jimmy Page played with Black Crowes, we should start calling them Led Zeppelin. and besides, PCXL is a magazine. DR is a web site. there <i>is</i> a difference, in both format and attitude. and i <i>really</i> can't comment on it any further than that. ;) |
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oh, and btw, <a href="http://www.ukresistance.com/" target="_blank">this site</a> cracks me up. :) |
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crash: I am aware of the difference in format, I happen to work at a game magazine website :o oh, here's an interesting piece of lore my friend from Software Etc told me, for every 50 issues of Incite they sell, 48 are returned for refund/exchange. Yikes! |
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<b>#61</b> "Apache" wrote... <QUOTE>...my friend from Software Etc told me, for every 50 issues of Incite they sell, 48 are returned for refund/exchange. Yikes!</QUOTE> I'm not surprised one bit. If I were to take a tour of the Incite offices, I'd probably see about 9 <A HREF="http://www.somethingawful.com/jeffk">jeffk</A>-like kids, a leetspeak/english translator, and about twenty five hundred advertising sales reps. Ugh. A typical day at Incite: <B>Jeffk #1:</B> uNF THIS gAEM IS NoT 3r33T iT DOSE NOT AHVE QUEALITY! <B>Copy Editor:</B> This game is not good because it does not have quality. <B>Jeffk #4:</B> BECASUE IT SUX0RZZZS <B>Copy Editor:</B> It applies a lip-lock on phalluses! Hah! <B>Sales Rep:</B> Ha Ha, we have suckered Activision into buying half the magazine's ad spots! Remember now, give all of their games five stars! And so forth. |
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Perfect Game Magazine 1.0: The front 80 pages of Next Generation + A dash of the humor and hotties of PCXL + The balls of every Incite employee roasted and toasted |
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Jeff K. wouldn't be caught dead working for Incite Magazine. Believe me. -Lowtax |
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/me vomits after reading Andy's story. I have to wonder why independant news reporting even exists when this is how a social disease is treated by 'the press'. During the Persian Gulf conflict the United States made 'propaganda runs' over Iraq, dropping millions of shards of paper featuring illustrations of how Saddam was hurting them, why they should revolt against him, if they surrendered they would be given food and shelter, things they weren't being given as Saddam's employees - and the kicker, their government is <s>controlling their media</s>. Deviants want what they know they're not supposed to have, the *second* they commit that crime, their privacy should be taken away from them. Showing a total disregard for a very real issue is the antithesis of having independant news. It's a sad, sad world when privacy is more of an issue than pedophelia.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Apache: <i>crash: I am aware of the difference in format, I happen to work at a game magazine website.</i> now, now, do we really wanna go there? ;) |
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<b>#64</b> "Lowtax" wrote... <QUOTE> Jeff K. wouldn't be caught dead working for Incite Magazine. Believe me. </QUOTE> And if there is anyone to really believe about that, it's Lowtax. Nice to see you at PC, bro. -- Dethstryk Damage Gaming<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>#64</b> "Lowtax" wrote... <QUOTE> Jeff K. wouldn't be caught dead working for Incite Magazine. Believe me. </QUOTE> LOL...good. I prefer him where he is. Maybe I'm just goofed up on Mountain Dew, but I think the whole JeffK thing is one of the funnier humor products out there....<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>#65</b> "Seth Krieg" wrote... <QUOTE> During the Persian Gulf conflict the United States made 'propaganda runs' over Iraq, dropping millions of shards of paper featuring illustrations of how Saddam was hurting them, why they should revolt against him, if they surrendered they would be given food and shelter, things they weren't being given as Saddam's employees - and the kicker, their government is controlling their media. </QUOTE> I actually have a couple of those leaflets (I should dig 'em up and scan them). One depicts two frames: in the first, an Iraqi soldier runs from his burning tank and is safe because he surrendered...in the second, a skeletal Iraqi soldier burns in his ruined tank because he fought the Coalition. Fascinating stuff, especially when you find it stuck in some concertina wire around your HQ one morning. But I digress...<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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deadboat : <quote>A dash of the humor and hotties of PCXL </quote> Personally, I prefer my gaming news on a more mature level than PCXL. If I want to look at hotties, there's lot of other places I can do that. But that's just me ... |
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<b>#64</b> "Lowtax" wrote... <QUOTE> Jeff K. wouldn't be caught dead working for Incite Magazine. Believe me. -Lowtax </QUOTE> You <i>following<i> me? -Chango<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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I'm not that familiar with the UK press, but human nature rarely respects large bodies of water which separate nations. Journalists, like all the rest of us, are people who are greedy, evil and stupid. At least some of the time. In the US, there is a licensing requirement for a number of professions: doctors, lawyers, engineers, teachers, et al. Beauticians have to certified, even. None of that is required to be a journalist. So, we know that regulated professions (ie doctors et al.), make big mistakes. Sometimes they are even outright crooks. Why should we be surprised when an unregulated profession has similar problems? Everything you read or hear, needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt. A few recent examples-- 1. A reporter for Salon (salon.com), Jonathan Broder, was fired for plagiarism. He plagiarized from the Chicago Tribune. 2. Salon's problems were reported by The Weekly Standard. The Weekly Standard also has settled a lawsuit brought by Deepak Chopra for libel. 3. The Weekly Standard's problems were reported by CNN. CNN had some libel problems of its own regarding Richard Jewell/Atlanta-Olympics bombings. 4. CNN's libel problems were reported by Tom Brokaw (NBC TV anchor). 5. Brokaw had his own problems with Jewell and libel. 6. Brokaw and CNN's difficulties with libel were reported by the Wall Street Journal. 7. The Wall Street Journal lost a $223 million libel suit against MMAR Group, Inc. (a medical supply complany) Every news organization in the world has problems being truthful. Some more than most, sure, and its not like they are getting bits of trivia wrong or failing to follow-up on a few loose threads. The take home message: read from as many sources as possible, and even then be a little skeptical. |
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PCXL is dead. Requiescat En Pace. The magazine sucked. Sorry to burst those of you who thought different's bubble, but there's a reason that it died. The "Reviews" read like they were written by five-year-olds and whoever they employed as a tech editor probably buys stock Packard Bells off the shelf at Best Buy. Drastically dropping in quality is MaxPCMag too. I think they're looking to target a new demographic: The computer newbie. The only bastion of quality information on the newsstand should now be right next to PCFlamer. The only timely enough to be worth anything is found on the web. Print (in the computer industry anyways) is dead. Re PCXL: Want nudies? Buy a Playboy. Want pix found in PCXL? Buy Details. Want game/computer info? Read a website. |
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And I might add, PCXL's death is testament to my summary above. |
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<b>#28</b> "Warren Marshall" wrote... <quote><b><i>Requiring registration may alleviate it somewhat since most of the "First post, bitches!" posts are by anons... </i></b></quote> most of these threads have well over 100 posts. what's the big deal? Seems like there are many more worthy things to get worked up about.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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This is pretty damn off topic, but what the hell.. Does anyone have any idea why so few people ever post messages on Bluesnews.com? I mean the site must get at least 50,000 hits a day and almost all the fps developers and fanboys read it religiously, so why the sparsity of opinion. Can it really be because it requires users to login? Something to think about when asking Morn to do the same for PC. - [g.man] |
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<b>#76</b> "G-Man" wrote... <QUOTE>I mean the site must get at least 50,000 hits a day and almost all the fps developers and fanboys read it religiously, so why the sparsity of opinion. Can it really be because it requires users to login?</QUOTE> Well, I think the <i>main</i> reason is the nature of the news updates... there's really not much to discuss about new screenshots and stuff, if you know what I mean. Add that "threads" (news items) will disappear forever into the stomach of Blammo!, there's not really much of a point to start a discussion on Blue's News, or any other "high speed" news site really... IMO. - Morn <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Regarding PCXL and Incite "Gaming" Magazine... it's survival of the fattest. The marketing wizards at Incite saw a market for horny, Lara Croft addicted butter children, and they moved in aggressively and stole it from PCXL. Incite had a *very* aggressive marketing campaign, with their $1.99 price tag, free promo mags left and right, and publisher ad deals. I think PCXL was caught off gaurd, and had been getting lazy sitting atop the "tits and guns" market for so long, and Incite swept in and stole their audience with the sheer marketing blitz they created. It was a good move on their part, because all it requires is a huge initial investment to crush the competition, then they can make up the money with their 900-pages-of-ads every issue. Speaking of "900-pages-of-ads", I find it interesting that the PCXL guys moved on to jobs at Daily Radar, where it's next to impossible to actually find traces of content between their orgy of ads on every page. -Lowtax PS: I don't know what the term "butter children" means, but I'm coining it. |
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Regarding Bluesnews' lack of comments: I speak for myself when I say that I think their script is messed. I tried to register twice, two different systems, both using stock IE5, and it hung indefinitely until I loaded a different address. Blues is my start page but I'm not about to re-register. I'm a grammar and spellcheck nazi, and I must give "props" to Blues for being one of the most comprehensive and consistent as far as quality of writing goes. I'd say Kudos but I have a severe hatred of the word, so good job Blue and Loony. |
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