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Shadowbane loves your money...but only in advance.
July 26th 2002, 09:39 CEST by Matt Perkins As see on Warcry, if you don't pre-order Shadowbane, you can't play 3 of the races in the game at the launch. Yes, the pre-order CD contain a code which will unlock restricted races (all three). This has to be the worst marketing ploy I've heard of. If they release a patch near the release of the game, it won't be so bad, but at release I'm going to look at the Shadowbane box and think, "Hey, they are fucking me over if I buy this box, why do I want to?". This method of marketing may be great for counting your chickens before the launch, but it's really saying, "you aren't hardcore enough to earn our respect, so, average joe, get screwed and don't even know it". Especially if they make you wait awhile after release. And if they don't, there will have been no reason to pre-order. This stinks of some marketing genius that was taking a hit off the crack pipe when they though this up. |
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I got excited for half a second there Bailey, I'd certainly love to try out a Shadowrun MMoG, if someone made one. But I assume you meant Shadowbane. |
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jafd, your new sig rocks. That is all. So there.
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http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categories/products/product.asp?pf_id=216810 Interesting, EB have started preorders for DukeNukem Forever again, interesting because theyre usually madly wrong about things, but their last couple of preorders have been bang on the money for going gold. Those being Warcraft 3 and NeverWinterNights... COULD it be ? Ds Never argue with an idiot, theyll drag you down onto their level, then beat you with experience.
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The price is obviously wrong when you compare it to WC3 and NWN, so it can't be true. Ellen Feiss is my stoned goddess
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I'd imagine it could be true. Remember, the prices for NWN and WC3 were (initially) set by the publisher, not the retailer. And both those games were put out by French publishers, those greedy bastards! Who is driving car?! Oh my god, bear is driving car! How can that be?
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You can always blame the french. iamelectro
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I'm so proud of you guys and gals...you stayed mostly on topic for 40 posts! monty would be proud. As the characters races being special or just add crap for pre-ordering: 1. They were supposed to only be characters you got when you complete Uber quests...then you would have the opportunity to create Minotaurs and the like. 2. If the class are as powerful as the creators of Shadowbane of mentioned in the past, it will make a huge difference. (if this is less coherent then usual, take my apology in advance as I worked drywall all day today and I'm dead beat) I like pretending I can spell.
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You can download the EQ client from any one of a number of sources -- S.F.W.? Is there rampant piracy of EverQuest? No. Without a valid account key, welcome to shit creek. jafd, I know I am OT, but there is rampant EQ piracy throughout many countries which ain't USA - free servers with no auth. Yeah, right, those bastards don't get the "normal" content, but 90% or more (out-of-the-ass number, but it should be around accurate) of EQ crowd in Russia still play pirate. That's true for all (that I know of) other "server-authed" games, including D2, Q3, UO, etc - there are free server variants. You can't beat the pirates :( |
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Do people sell their stuff from these hacked servers on ebay? |
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I speculate this pre-order version doesn't even actually work at all, on any machine, and the people who wanted to get in early will end up having to wait for the fully patched version to come out... a fully patched version which will then allow the players to launch the game and discover a million new bugs... You know, it's going to be the habitual MMOG-release carnival. |
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jafd, I know I am OT, but there is rampant EQ piracy throughout many countries which ain't USA - free servers with no auth. UO maybe, but I'm not aware of a fully working working server emulator for any other MMOG. I've never even heard of such a thing for EQ, AC, DAoC, etc. Link? |
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Hugin I subconsciously try to get a rise out of Nova every chance I get. re: Warezed EQ Those foreign illicit servers don't have anywhere near the capacity for population, are often rampantly abused by their hosts, and are missing approximately 1/4 of the retail content. In this case, the pirates are beaten. Why would you play an assy ripped version of an already thrice-assy game? The mind BOGGLES. I cannot tell if everyone in marketing is a polished, professional mormon, or just super-high on the coke dust.
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See, there really should be a new Shadowrun game. MMORPG or not, the world needs it. Deus Ex is really the closest we get at the moment. Which is good, but that's Deus Ex, not Shadowrun. I want a shadowrun game that captures the whole high tech and low life scenarios. I want a shadowrun game where there is a full city to explore and live in. Almost like Warren Spector's 'full city block' idea, but bigger. Maybe not quite so detailed. But it would kick ass to have to truly work behind the scenes, to make your connections. If you've ever just sat down and read the seattle sourcebook... goddamn that would kick ass. It'd be nice to see some of the emerging chat bot tech used in a game, with game relevant information. Has anyone ever read anything about people doing that kind of thing? That would rock, to have to compose and ask your questions yourself. Except, in a more friendly way, unlike the age old text games where you practically had to guess the exact old sentence. It would rock to know that there was a detailed city, and to know that there might be that black clinic you need behind that 7 Eleven... but never knowing, and knowing that to just go in and ask too many 'odd' questions can get you busted. What would be really cool is to see a developer make a shadowrun engine, which ran all the game content and whatever, but then focus on releasing new episodes of old source books. Would fucking rock to be able to build up your char, make your connections, and then as you add new add ons, maybe have your fixer route you to a johnson that says "you know about the arcology... right?". Just the thought of that kind of thing makes me giddy with delight. And it might even work, if it were sort of a NWN style deal, except, without the suck. Done in a deus ex fashion. It'll be interesting to see how far the new unreal tech (especially prefabs and stuff like that) can take the ability to quickly whip out levels. I mean, if you could just get an 'office building' prefab set, you'd be able to whip up who knows how many corporate office runs... But you'd have to add in NPC generators, and stuff like that. The ability to fill in the world. </YAMMER> Gah. It'll never happen. We're not "Whinny," either, "Looser".
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And the funniest part folks, is I started writing that before Bailey's post. We're not "Whinny," either, "Looser".
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Bailey: 1, Nova: 0 I cannot tell if everyone in marketing is a polished, professional mormon, or just super-high on the coke dust.
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Nova you've just described something close to my dream game. Add a few strippers that you can wave money at and I think you have a winner! No longer must I sweep for you, for I am not your broom.
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Neocron? I cannot tell if everyone in marketing is a polished, professional mormon, or just super-high on the coke dust.
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There cannot be a Shadowrun MMORPG. You can't have enough NPCs to populate the world in such a way as the players actually feel "underground"... the players will always outnumber the so-called masses and that breaks the enviroment entirely. Shadowrun single player, or a NWN style game with many small servers I can see. MMOG I cannot. Jennie wept, "So I turning into a huge living tit? What the hell kind of cure is this anyway?!"
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Neocron's demo was really bad. Enough to warn me off the game. I didn't expect much, though it had originally piqued my curiosity. Of course, that might have just been because of the various "It's like deus ex!" comparisons. The demo proved it was anything but. We're not "Whinny," either, "Looser".
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My blather didn't necessarily imply MMORPG Foodbunny. I think there is a possibility for an MMORPG to capture that, but it's distant. 15+ years I'd think. We're not "Whinny," either, "Looser".
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Terata, not Daoc/AO I have to admit, the older games only. I'm trying to come up with a link to EQ emulator discussion in english... |
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Terata, here's one for example (there are few used in Russia, not exactly very public since Sony prosecutes illegal servers unlike EA/UO): http://eqemu.sourceforge.net/ But, as Bailey said, it's crap of course compared to oficially supported servers... Still, does not stop people who don't have money to pay (or credit card) from playing. |
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shadowbane is old and tired, with a dated graphics engine, a too-long development time, a marginal market appeal, and will be released (if ever) behind at least two second-gen MMOGs. on top of that, it's going to be run by a company with a spotty track record and zero real-world experience in the genre. they got more problems than this bullshit, honestly. *shrug* is it stupid? sure. but at this point, they have so little to lose, it's more of a "why not" sort of deal. "Everyone knows the best way to live life is to troll messageboards." --Warren Marshall
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Ah. I'm familiar with that project, and also one located at HackersQuest. I didn't realize any of them were to the point of actually, well, doing anything useful at all. |
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From the eB website: Duke Nukem is back, and Vegas is his new playground. That is, until the aliens bust up the opening of Duke's new casino! Stupid aliens! Duke Nukem Forever brings back the king of action in a highly anticipated game set to pummel players with unprecedented interactivity, variety, realism, and Duke's special whoop-ass brand of humor. DNF will push the limits of gaming and establish new standards in interactivity, variety, and pure fun. Scott, I hope with all your "ph4t m4rk3t1ng sk1llz" that YOU didn't write this blurb. Sounds like a $9.99 ValuSoft game. Stupid aliens, er, advertisers! Arizona Diamondbacks 2001 World Series Champions
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yotsuya: Sounds like a $9.99 ValuSoft game. and 9.99 valusoft games sell how well? honestly curious because i don't know. "Everyone knows the best way to live life is to troll messageboards." --Warren Marshall
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Meanwhile, I just recieved an e-mail from Endless Ages. As a result of your feedback we are opening a new server August 5th, 2002 that has never been played on. No Beta players, no one. Be one of the first to enter the realm of Endless Ages and join others in questing with your characters to become great warriors without the fear of Beta players that have achieved high levels during the testing phase of Endless Ages. We are very pleased with our Beta testers’ commitment to the game on the “Orlando" Beta Server and it was their commitment (not losing stats) that gave us probably one of the best Beta test ever done for an online game. Beta testers worked all aspects of the game to help us strive toward a bug free environment prior to going GOLD. We could not have done it without them. The “Orlando” server is going to be renamed to “Georgia 1” for gold. We also understood, from feedback, that many players do not want to enter a server where Beta testers’ characters are too strong. We therefore offer the “California 1" game server where all players enter a leveled playing field. So join us and all the other newbie’s on August 5th where the newbie’s are the most powerful characters roaming the lands of Endless Ages. Something about being so afraid of pissing off your beta testers that you'd rather open a new server instead of resetting the current one amuses me a great deal. The only entertainment I got from the beta the whole 5 minutes I played it was jumping insanely high and being able to lean so far back while running that I appeared to just be a set of tits attached directly to the hips. My uncle assures me that there is more to the game than that but I don't trust him. Jennie wept, "So I turning into a huge living tit? What the hell kind of cure is this anyway?!"
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Ah, haha hilarity. I wonder how many of those beta accounts are going to be sold within the first month. --
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crash: and 9.99 valusoft games sell how well? honestly curious because i don't know. Neither do I, but decide for yourself if there is a huge market for $9.99 ValuSoft games. Besides, my comment has to do with the quality of the blurb, not the game itself. Arizona Diamondbacks 2001 World Series Champions
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Well, the thing is ... with value software, you don't have to have a huge market. You only get 3-4 months to make the game, it sells for under $20 and costs are minimal. I know a guy who worked in budget software and although the deadlines are ruthless, you can make a living at it if you can keep to your schedules. "It's pretty common for pussies, dumbasses, and their families to blame their problems on vague influences like the media and society. The truth is, fuck you."
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I actually came across the E3 video for DNF today. Er, the one from '98, that is. They actually had a lot of content done at that point. EB says it ships January 1, 2003. Mind you, they also say that Team Fortress 2 is shipping February 14, 2003. Must have a thing for holidays, statutory or otherwise. "I don't bemoan the great paste" - LPMiller
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Ah yes, Endless Ages... the only MMOG to be developed where the palette artists decided appropriate color and shading by doing shots of vodka and varied food dyes for an hour, then leaning over the scanner to void noisily. I cannot tell if everyone in marketing is a polished, professional mormon, or just super-high on the coke dust.
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To expand a little ... the reason is that the average American views $20 as throw away money. They'll put down $20 to try something new. And $10? That's even better. If the game sucks, it sucks. It isn't like you just spent $80 on a collectors edition game that won't let you zoom the camera out. "It's pretty common for pussies, dumbasses, and their families to blame their problems on vague influences like the media and society. The truth is, fuck you."
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New Slogan: We'll See.... About 2003! Arizona Diamondbacks 2001 World Series Champions
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Zing! "I don't bemoan the great paste" - LPMiller
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You busted my rhythm, yotsuya. Grr! Although I like your slogan. "I don't bemoan the great paste" - LPMiller
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Other slogans I should patent: Out the door.... In 2004 Still Alive... For 2005 Get Your Kicks... In 2006 Gaming Heaven.... In 2007 Just a Little Late... For 2008 Doin' Fine... For 2009 What? Again?.. Maybe 2010 Arizona Diamondbacks 2001 World Series Champions
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Probably not a good idea to piss off the hardcore gamers that will play your game first and spread the word about it. I'd be inclined to not try the game, because I don't want to feel like I have to buy it a certain way to get all the goodies. Imagine Blizzard saying "Pre-Order Warcraft 3 or you can't play Night Elves on Battle.Net until _____". Bad idea. |
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You forgot this year. How about: SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP 2002 Current market value of the Max Payne IP according to a comparison of the market capitalization of Take Two pre- and post- sale: approx. -$260,000,000.
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How about: I'm ps0ting drnuk 2002-infinity. Luksusowa sux0rz, Sobieski rulez six ways to sunday! "Please give us some face then."
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I've never pre-ordered a game and I never will. Not even for the 'gold cartridge' zelda for n64. |
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Matthew- I thought about "When it's through... In 2002". Arizona Diamondbacks 2001 World Series Champions
"It's all about positioning! So assume the position!" JMCDaveL |
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Luksusowa sux0rz, Sobieski rulez six ways to sunday! It's really saddening to see such an uncultured palate in high gear. I cannot tell if everyone in marketing is a polished, professional mormon, or just super-high on the coke dust.
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Yeah, right. I don't know about the export stuff you're getting over there in North America, but Luksusowa has never gained such a high status here in Poland. Okay, I might try it the next time, which will be around, uh, tomorrow. BTW, how strong is Luksusowa you get in America, 'cos we used to have 40%, 45% and 50%, but now all kinds of vodka are levelled out to 40% alchohol over here. "Please give us some face then."
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Oh, and about the uncultured palate: I have cultured my palate over many a shot of vodka and I still can't imagine how you can say Luksusowa is smooth. Yeugh. Possibly, the export stuff differs much from the dregs we get around here, as has been the case for many years. Damn you foreigners! I'm going to buy a bottle of Luksusowa and try it out on myself. "Please give us some face then."
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OK- Here's the winner for Most Frivilous Lawsuit AND I Can't Accept Responsibility for Myself Award: NY Man Sues, Claiming Fast Food Ruined His Health Arizona Diamondbacks 2001 World Series Champions
"It's all about positioning! So assume the position!" JMCDaveL |
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Wodka Wyborowa all the way. Stolichnaya and Grey Goose can stick each other's heads up each other's asses in a 69. anybody on
the street has murder in his eyes. You feel no pain -- Becker/Fagan, Only a Fool Would Say That |
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Well, it's not just that one guy suing about fast food. And as always, The Onion nailed it prophetically. Truth is more pathetic than fiction. anybody on
the street has murder in his eyes. You feel no pain -- Becker/Fagan, Only a Fool Would Say That |
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OK- Here's the winner for Most Frivilous Lawsuit AND I Can't Accept Responsibility for Myself Award: More like lawyer that missed out on the tobacco suits thinks he's found the next best thing. |
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So what does a fast food patch look like, a slice of cheese? |
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