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Shadowbane loves your money...but only in advance.
July 26th 2002, 09:39 CEST by Matt Perkins As see on Warcry, if you don't pre-order Shadowbane, you can't play 3 of the races in the game at the launch. Yes, the pre-order CD contain a code which will unlock restricted races (all three). This has to be the worst marketing ploy I've heard of. If they release a patch near the release of the game, it won't be so bad, but at release I'm going to look at the Shadowbane box and think, "Hey, they are fucking me over if I buy this box, why do I want to?". This method of marketing may be great for counting your chickens before the launch, but it's really saying, "you aren't hardcore enough to earn our respect, so, average joe, get screwed and don't even know it". Especially if they make you wait awhile after release. And if they don't, there will have been no reason to pre-order. This stinks of some marketing genius that was taking a hit off the crack pipe when they though this up. |
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Shouldn't it be gray, you know, like the website? Current market value of the Max Payne IP according to a comparison of the market capitalization of Take Two pre- and post- sale: approx. -$260,000,000.
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I vote for a girly T-shirt option -- the smaller shaped kind -- since men's t-shirts look terrible on me. I'd buy it! "I can't drink POSSIBLE beers! I need ACTUAL beers! Damn you quantum physics!"
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#68 Warren Marshall "I know a guy who worked in budget software and although the deadlines are ruthless, you can make a living at it if you can keep to your schedules." I've done freelance work for a budget software factory. It's not pretty. This place reminded me of what it's probably like to work making dresses and slacks for Kathy Lee Gifford in Singapore sweatshops. Yes, these people made a living. If you can really call that living. Everything I need to know about life I learned from Bon Jovi songs
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2 SWM idea men seeking programmers, artists, level designers, and producers. i like monkeys. are you a monkey?
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American McGee's Dave Taylor presents American McGee's X-Box Shooter i like monkeys. are you a monkey?
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A black t-shirt with the logo at the top of the page plastered on the front would quickly become my favorite shirt. "It's pretty common for pussies, dumbasses, and their families to blame their problems on vague influences like the media and society. The truth is, fuck you."
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Greg I'm totally supportive of the wifebeater angle. I know I love mine. And if you give me any sass while there's still no hot dinner on the table, I'll give you five across the eyes! Caryn Babydoll? I cannot tell if everyone in marketing is a polished, professional mormon, or just super-high on the coke dust.
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Don't you threaten anyone with fist-shaped tile! How about ... multiple tshirts? Yah know, because choice is a good thing. And I'm not a fan of black shirts. The darker grey would be cool, though no decapitated bronto. I would like to wear the shirt to work. A golf shirt would be cool too. I don't have nearly enough dress casual gaming related apparel (such as the Q3 Rocket Arena polo shirt). -Jon
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I vote for a girly T-shirt option -- the smaller shaped kind -- since men's t-shirts look terrible on me. I'd buy it! Hell, offer a girly version and a toddler version and I'll outfit the whole family. No longer must I sweep for you, for I am not your broom.
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I dont mind what colour/logo is on it, as long as its available in 4xl or 5xl Ds Never argue with an idiot, theyll drag you down onto their level, then beat you with experience.
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American McGee's Xbox I am all the love you'll ever need.. SUCKA!
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my girlfriend bought Mcgee's alice, it was shit. |
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I liked Alice. Quite a bit. |
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..and I'm looking forward to "Oz" as well. |
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Is that ass-fuckers oz? Or happy go lucky golden brick road oz? We're not "Whinny," either, "Looser".
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I'm hoping the for the prison sex version. It'd be a lot more edgy and visceral. I cannot tell if everyone in marketing is a polished, professional mormon, or just super-high on the coke dust.
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How about ... multiple tshirts? Yah know, because choice is a good thing. And I'm not a fan of black shirts. The darker grey would be cool, though no decapitated bronto. I would like to wear the shirt to work. So a decapitated bronto is out, but the words "PlanetCrap" is fine? Where do you work? :) Arizona Diamondbacks 2001 World Series Champions
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How about planet-crap underwear... everybody does the shirts anyway, it would be very original... Underwear with a big skidmark in the middle... Morn can make them himself! You can have some of mine as well... just give me your adress I'll snail mail them to you, if I didn't yet sprinkle the local laudrette with beta versions! T-shirts... on the site of great proud uncontrolled bowel movements! What a sham! And that way we'd be sure people in the street can't recognise us! We'd be all like undercover, of skid-marks riddled underwear! |
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apropos of nothing, something occurred to me earlier today: Valve has been in business for over six years, and they have produced/released exactly one game. and nobody complains about this at all. remarkable. carry on. "Everyone knows the best way to live life is to troll messageboards." --Warren Marshall
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apropos of nothing, something occurred to me earlier today: Valve has been in business for over six years, and they have produced/released exactly one game. and nobody complains about this at all. Can't exactly agree with this. I've seen lots of complaints and/or jokes about the neverending Team Fortress 2 development. In general they aren't as harsh as the Romero/Ion or Miller/3dr stuff because the Valve people tend not to make jackasses out of themselves in public forums, unlike some other folks. |
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I have to agree with YF. Comparatively speaking, the Valve folks keep a low profile, don't say stupid things, and the one product they did release was a doozy. |
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I would wear Planetcrap panties. On my head, so that everyone can know where my online loyalties lie. Jennie wept, "So I turning into a huge living tit? What the hell kind of cure is this anyway?!"
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Like oolong in DBZ! We're not "Whinny," either, "Looser".
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My Planetcrap under-roos are the shiznit. I want Planetcrap adult diapers! |
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Instead of the panties off a hot babe I could get panties from a manly german! Huzzah! Jennie wept, "So I turning into a huge living tit? What the hell kind of cure is this anyway?!"
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what i meant about "nobody complains about this" is, well, other than being badly worded, let's look at it like this: how popular was half-life? how many awards did it garner? how many people still play it? any other company, the howling for Something New™ would be... deafening. but not Valve. yeah, maybe the low profile helps a lot, but it's like... it's just curious. it's like with all the complaining about the mod treadmill and blueshift and opfor and gunman and cs and whatnot, the... it's like the pacifier for the hardcore to keep them busy and quiet. and it's working marvelously. or something. i don't know. half formed thought, honestly. thought i'd toss it out there and see what happened. *shrug* slow day at work today, i guess. "Everyone knows the best way to live life is to troll messageboards." --Warren Marshall
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It could also be that valve isn't dependant on a publisher, so they aren't being forced, by the publisher, to whip shit out, so they can market it. We're not "Whinny," either, "Looser".
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crash, I think part of it is the fact that Valve has only put out one game. They have no real history. id has the Doom/Quake games, Epic has two Unreal titles, 3D Realms has multiple Duke games and so on. With a single game to its credit, Valve really doesn't have enough out there to generate complaints of "more!" based on what they've delivered. The Half-Life franchise, ironically, has received virtually no attention at all from the public since the announcement of TF2 and the huge (and unexpected) success of Counter-Strike. You're right that the HL add-ons serve as something as a pacifier, although I would probably call Blue Shift a pacifierette. "I don't bemoan the great paste" - LPMiller
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The Blue Shift pacifier has thorns on it. The thorns cause Hep-C. I cannot tell if everyone in marketing is a polished, professional mormon, or just super-high on the coke dust.
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I too would wear planetcrap panties. Proudly, dammit. I believe I can fly......urk.
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So a decapitated bronto is out, but the words "PlanetCrap" is fine? Where do you work? :) Casual dress office. T-shirts are okay, even with logos / writing. "Crap" I can see as being okay, but the bloodied bronto melon ... eh. The dress code (or lack thereof) is wierd like that. Comparatively speaking, the Valve folks keep a low profile, don't say stupid things, and the one product they did release was a doozy. And yet 3DR has almost an entire media blackout except around E3 season. How does that work? I think it does go back to what diet crash said. They keep giving a little tit to their community. I would wear Planetcrap panties. On my head, so that everyone can know where my online loyalties lie. .GIF! -Jon
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I think it does go back to what diet crash said. They keep giving a little tit to their community. So many lines Duality, I don't know where to start. |
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Comparatively speaking, the Valve folks keep a low profile, don't say stupid things, and the one product they did release was a doozy. And yet 3DR has almost an entire media blackout except around E3 season. How does that work? Valve is too busy coming up with crazy internet accelerators and delivery systems to look like they're even working on a game. Is there any solid information out there that says they're still actually working on TF2? I haven't seen any, but then again I am not looking. I know absolutely nothing about this game, other than it will have an in-house created engine and some sort of spiritual connection with TF2. I've never seen a screenshot, or feature list, backstory, setting, nothing. Although, like I said, it may be out there. 3DR, on the other hand, did that E3 video. And have commented on message boards about DNF being better than the game of the month. And reminded us that Duke is the #1 male action hero in gaming. And have licensed a Duke PC title that (I read somewhere) reminds you at the end that Duke's next game is DNF. And have bragged on message boards that they play the game and it's awesome. Not exactly a media blackout. See, hype has a threshhold level. That level is enough information to create a preview. Once you cross it, you've hyped your game. You can't go back below it. After that, even popping up on VoodooExtreme or 'Shack to say "no comment" is just a re-iteration of that hype level. You're reminding people of everything they've seen about your game so far. Valve, as far as I've seen, doesn't do that. They're like a flashbulb to 3DR's variable-wattage strobe light. That invites, or rather demands, perceptions to start filling in the gaps in reality: they know you've broken your media blackout before, so you're not doing it now because _________? Guess what: nothing fits in that blank that both rings true and makes your company look good. Is it right? No, but nothing in marketing is, because it's evil to the core. Anyone who complains is analogous to a Lovecraftian cultist getting pissed off about being eaten by his patron elder god. Current market value of the Max Payne IP according to a comparison of the market capitalization of Take Two pre- and post- sale: approx. -$260,000,000.
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Valve is a self funded venture from experienced software professionals. The kind that aren't rock stars. iamelectro
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True. Rock stars usually have at least two albums before they're forgotten. I am a loud man with a very large hat. This means I am in charge!
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VH1 Presents Behind The Music: Valve Software- The Drugs (OK, Ding Dongs), The Booze (Mountain Dew), The Chicks (Moelling the Stealth Assassins after Catwoman), The Games (well, Game). Arizona Diamondbacks 2001 World Series Champions
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There are plenty of TF2 screenshots at the official site. (From 1999) "I don't bemoan the great paste" - LPMiller
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A post from Valve on the HL coding mailing list on June 16th: We certainly HAVE "denied that it's been completely canned." I wonder how many times Doug Lombardi has to say that TF2 is still being developed before it sinks in and people stop saying that Valve is neither confirming nor denying the existence of TF2. And it's also no secret that TF2 is using a new, internally developed engine. I think this interview contains the latest public statements about TF2: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/r/?http://www.computerandvideogames.com /news/news_story.php?id=48859 PS: And that's all I have to say about that. That link is here signatures are, as I've stated, for perverts
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What does this have to do with t-shirts? I am a loud man with a very large hat. This means I am in charge!
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Submit a t-shirt thread. It's sure to get posted! "I don't bemoan the great paste" - LPMiller
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I'd sooner eviscerate every man-jack last one of you, rather than submit a thread. I am a loud man with a very large hat. This means I am in charge!
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Also, thread-posting is purely at the whim of the morn, and the morn is fickle. I am a loud man with a very large hat. This means I am in charge!
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Did you know that, as part of the media blackout, over 30 sections of the Official DNF FAQ were updated ten days ago? Meanwhile, the official TF2 website has apparently spent the last year and a half trying to figure out whether that one guy on their team is named Yahn Brenner or Yahn Bernier (read the top two headlines here). Current market value of the Max Payne IP according to a comparison of the market capitalization of Take Two pre- and post- sale: approx. -$240,000,000.
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I haven't seen anybody else mention this, but the current issue of Popular Science has article about gaming and mods. It's still wierd to see gaming mentioned in kind of mainstream media. But they interviewed the two guys responsible for TFC and there was a little talk about TF2. Listen, don't try to play dumb with me, I'm the King of D- Wait... That's not gonna come out right... - Bucky (Get Fuzzy by Darby Conley)
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I remember when it was Time Magazine, I believe, had a small blurb about Unreal when it first came out. -Jon
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#173 Stop with teh funny! I like pretending I can spell.
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It's Bernier. PROBLEM SOLVED! -chris |
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Why the fuck don't you people learn to login? Every time i come here my goddamn settings are changed (posts i have read etc.). |
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Feel free to not come here... -chris |
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