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Shadowbane loves your money...but only in advance.
July 26th 2002, 09:39 CEST by Matt Perkins

As see on Warcry, if you don't pre-order Shadowbane, you can't play 3 of the races in the game at the launch.

Yes, the pre-order CD contain a code which will unlock restricted races (all three).

This has to be the worst marketing ploy I've heard of.  If they release a patch near the release of the game, it won't be so bad, but at release I'm going to look at the Shadowbane box and think, "Hey, they are fucking me over if I buy this box, why do I want to?".

This method of marketing may be great for counting your chickens before the launch, but it's really saying, "you aren't hardcore enough to earn our respect, so, average joe, get screwed and don't even know it".  Especially if they make you wait awhile after release.  And if they don't, there will have been no reason to pre-order.  This stinks of some marketing genius that was taking a hit off the crack pipe when they though this up.
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#112 by zarathustra
2002-07-28 04:08:17
anti_kre8er@yahoo.com
its a promo cd they sell, but the price is reduced from the game...
#113 by bago
2002-07-28 04:56:51
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
my office smells like teriyaki

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#114 by Bailey
2002-07-28 04:59:32
Having a very hard time caring about the clearing up of the SB issue.

I cannot tell if everyone in marketing is a polished, professional mormon, or just super-high on the coke dust.
#115 by LoneStar
2002-07-28 07:22:51
cwcraig64@hotmail.com
Mmmmmmm...Planetcrap t-shirts

Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one
#116 by Morn
2002-07-28 09:26:47
morn@planetcrap.com http://hmans.net
I still want to make PC T-Shirts, but I do not want to use CafePress for that. Any recommendations?

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#117 by Squeaky
2002-07-28 09:31:58
interesting

Some people have way too much time on their hands

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#118 by EricFate
2002-07-28 10:27:03
Gameskins?  They've done a few of the other webcentric shirts.
#119 by Terata
2002-07-28 10:53:51
Gameskins does really nice shirts.  Heavy and durable.
#120 by m0nty
2002-07-28 10:55:32
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Hey Morn, how about you design a T-shirt, let us download the graphics, and go through the hassle ourselves of printing our own damn T-shirts on our own damn time?

Oh wait, then you don't get any money. Forget that then.
#121 by Charles
2002-07-28 11:03:07
www.bluh.org
Morn, just make sure one of the tshirt styles is black, so it can fit in to my Bailey-Approved NuMetal look.

We're not "Whinny," either,  "Looser".
  -MCorleone
#122 by Bailey
2002-07-28 11:34:07
I have never approved of NuMetal. Or you. But mostly the NuMetal is facing disapproval.

I cannot tell if everyone in marketing is a polished, professional mormon, or just super-high on the coke dust.
#123 by chris
2002-07-28 11:40:40
cwb@shaithis.com http://www.cerebraldebris.com
I donated... and I'd buy a t-shirt if it was black or white. Though I probably wouldn't wear it, since I don't typically wear shirts with writing on them.

But I'd buy it!

-chris
#124 by Warren Marshall
2002-07-28 14:16:52
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Gameskins does really nice shirts.  Heavy and durable.

I'll throw in a vote for GameSkins as well ... Every shirt I've bought from them has been well made and lasted a long time.

"It's pretty common for pussies, dumbasses, and their families to blame their problems on vague influences like the media and society. The truth is, fuck you."
#125 by Duality
2002-07-28 14:44:07
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
GameSkins is the new newegg.

So, yes.

-Jon
The secret ingredient is evil.
#126 by Ashiran
2002-07-28 14:49:38
I want a sleaveless shirt!

"Durr, bluh, shoving mini-snickers in my mouth as fast as mom can buy them." - Bailey
#127 by jjohnsen
2002-07-28 15:25:24
http://www.johnsenclan.com
I've only bought one shirt from gameskins, but definately better than cafepress.  I know I'm in the minority here, but maybe dark blue or white?

No longer must I sweep for you, for I am not your broom.
#128 by Warren Marshall
2002-07-28 15:55:02
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Black.  Like PC's soul ...

"It's pretty common for pussies, dumbasses, and their families to blame their problems on vague influences like the media and society. The truth is, fuck you."
#129 by Greg
2002-07-28 16:32:29
Yes! PC Wifebeaters will be all the rage! Or something...

Who is driving car?! Oh my god, bear is driving car! How can that be?
#130 by Matthew Gallant
2002-07-28 17:06:08
http://www.truemeaningoflife.com
Shouldn't it be gray, you know, like the website?

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#131 by Caryn
2002-07-28 17:29:22
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
I vote for a girly T-shirt option -- the smaller shaped kind -- since men's t-shirts look terrible on me. I'd buy it!

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#132 by Sgt Hulka
2002-07-28 17:36:04
#68 Warren Marshall  "I know a guy who worked in budget software and although the deadlines are ruthless, you can make a living at it if you can keep to your schedules."


I've done freelance work for a budget software factory.  It's not pretty. This place reminded me of what it's probably like to work making dresses and slacks for Kathy Lee Gifford in Singapore sweatshops.  

Yes, these people made a living. If you can really call that living.

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#133 by Leslie Nassar
2002-07-28 18:08:34
http://departmentofinternets.com
2 SWM idea men seeking programmers, artists, level designers, and producers.

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#134 by Leslie Nassar
2002-07-28 18:10:25
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#135 by Warren Marshall
2002-07-28 19:30:33
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
A black t-shirt with the logo at the top of the page plastered on the front would quickly become my favorite shirt.

"It's pretty common for pussies, dumbasses, and their families to blame their problems on vague influences like the media and society. The truth is, fuck you."
#136 by Bailey
2002-07-28 19:31:09
Greg

I'm totally supportive of the wifebeater angle. I know I love mine. And if you give me any sass while there's still no hot dinner on the table, I'll give you five across the eyes!

Caryn

Babydoll?

I cannot tell if everyone in marketing is a polished, professional mormon, or just super-high on the coke dust.
#137 by Duality
2002-07-28 19:39:52
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
Don't you threaten anyone with fist-shaped tile!

How about ... multiple tshirts?  Yah know, because choice is a good thing.  And I'm not a fan of black shirts.  The darker grey would be cool, though no decapitated bronto.  I would like to wear the shirt to work.

A golf shirt would be cool too.  I don't have nearly enough dress casual gaming related apparel (such as the Q3 Rocket Arena polo shirt).

-Jon
The secret ingredient is evil.
#138 by jjohnsen
2002-07-28 20:19:16
http://www.johnsenclan.com
I vote for a girly T-shirt option -- the smaller shaped kind -- since men's t-shirts look terrible on me. I'd buy it!


Hell, offer a girly version and a toddler version and I'll outfit the whole family.

No longer must I sweep for you, for I am not your broom.
#139 by Darkseid-D
2002-07-28 22:25:06
rogerboal@hotmail.com
I dont mind what colour/logo is on it, as long as its available in 4xl or 5xl


Ds

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#140 by Sister Love
2002-07-28 22:25:28
corporate_misconduct@yahoo.com http://www.3drealms.com
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#141 by zarathustra
2002-07-28 22:26:40
anti_kre8er@yahoo.com
my girlfriend bought Mcgee's alice, it was shit.
#142 by Your Friend
2002-07-28 22:31:50
I liked Alice.  Quite a bit.
#143 by Your Friend
2002-07-28 22:33:44
..and I'm looking forward to "Oz" as well.
#144 by Charles
2002-07-28 22:49:30
www.bluh.org
Is that ass-fuckers oz?  Or happy go lucky golden brick road oz?

We're not "Whinny," either,  "Looser".
  -MCorleone
#145 by Bailey
2002-07-28 23:06:41
I'm hoping the for the prison sex version. It'd be a lot more edgy and visceral.

I cannot tell if everyone in marketing is a polished, professional mormon, or just super-high on the coke dust.
#146 by yotsuya
2002-07-28 23:13:50
How about ... multiple tshirts?  Yah know, because choice is a good thing.  And I'm not a fan of black shirts.  The darker grey would be cool, though no decapitated bronto.  I would like to wear the shirt to work.


So a decapitated bronto is out, but the words "PlanetCrap" is fine? Where do you work? :)

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#147 by Count DuCu
2002-07-28 23:43:20
DuCu@ez2www.com
How about planet-crap underwear... everybody does the shirts anyway, it would be very original... Underwear with a big skidmark in the middle... Morn can make them himself! You can have some of mine as well... just give me your adress I'll snail mail them to you, if I didn't yet sprinkle the local laudrette with beta versions!

T-shirts... on the site of great proud uncontrolled bowel movements! What a sham! And that way we'd be sure people in the street can't recognise us! We'd be all like undercover, of skid-marks riddled underwear!
#148 by crash
2002-07-29 00:10:01
apropos of nothing, something occurred to me earlier today: Valve has been in business for over six years, and they have produced/released exactly one game. and nobody complains about this at all.

remarkable.

carry on.

"Everyone knows the best way to live life is to troll messageboards." --Warren Marshall
#149 by Your Friend
2002-07-29 00:14:16

apropos of nothing, something occurred to me earlier today: Valve has been in business for over six years, and they have produced/released exactly one game. and nobody complains about this at all.


Can't exactly agree with this.  I've seen lots of complaints and/or jokes about the neverending Team Fortress 2 development.  In general they aren't as harsh as the Romero/Ion or Miller/3dr stuff because the Valve people tend not to make jackasses out of themselves in public forums, unlike some other folks.
#150 by Hugin
2002-07-29 00:25:37
lmccain@nber.org
I have to agree with YF.  Comparatively speaking, the Valve folks keep a low profile, don't say stupid things, and the one product they did release was a doozy.
#151 by Foodbunny
2002-07-29 00:31:34
foodbunny@attbi.com http://www.foodbunny.com
I would wear Planetcrap panties.  On my head, so that everyone can know where my online loyalties lie.

Jennie wept, "So I turning into a huge living tit?  What the hell kind of cure is this anyway?!"
#152 by Charles
2002-07-29 00:39:04
www.bluh.org
Like oolong in DBZ!

We're not "Whinny," either,  "Looser".
  -MCorleone
#153 by "Sister Love"
2002-07-29 00:40:03
corporate_misconduct@yahoo.com http://www.3drealms.com
My Planetcrap under-roos are the shiznit.  

I want Planetcrap adult diapers!
#154 by Foodbunny
2002-07-29 00:42:13
foodbunny@attbi.com http://www.foodbunny.com
Instead of the panties off a hot babe I could get panties from a manly german!  Huzzah!

Jennie wept, "So I turning into a huge living tit?  What the hell kind of cure is this anyway?!"
#155 by crash
2002-07-29 02:02:12
what i meant about "nobody complains about this" is, well, other than being badly worded, let's look at it like this:

how popular was half-life?

how many awards did it garner?

how many people still play it?

any other company, the howling for Something New™ would be... deafening. but not Valve. yeah, maybe the low profile helps a lot, but it's like... it's just curious. it's like with all the complaining about the mod treadmill and blueshift and opfor and gunman and cs and whatnot, the... it's like the pacifier for the hardcore to keep them busy and quiet. and it's working marvelously. or something. i don't know. half formed thought, honestly. thought i'd toss it out there and see what happened.

*shrug*

slow day at work today, i guess.

"Everyone knows the best way to live life is to troll messageboards." --Warren Marshall
#156 by Charles
2002-07-29 02:04:40
www.bluh.org
It could also be that valve isn't dependant on a publisher, so they aren't being forced, by the publisher, to whip shit out, so they can market it.

We're not "Whinny," either,  "Looser".
  -MCorleone
#157 by Creole Ned
2002-07-29 02:11:46
crash, I think part of it is the fact that Valve has only put out one game. They have no real history. id has the Doom/Quake games, Epic has two Unreal titles, 3D Realms has multiple Duke games and so on. With a single game to its credit, Valve really doesn't have enough out there to generate complaints of "more!" based on what they've delivered. The Half-Life franchise, ironically, has received virtually no attention at all from the public since the announcement of TF2 and the huge (and unexpected) success of Counter-Strike. You're right that the HL add-ons serve as something as a pacifier, although I would probably call Blue Shift a pacifierette.

"I don't bemoan the great paste" - LPMiller
#158 by Bailey
2002-07-29 02:43:22
The Blue Shift pacifier has thorns on it. The thorns cause Hep-C.

I cannot tell if everyone in marketing is a polished, professional mormon, or just super-high on the coke dust.
#159 by LPMiller
2002-07-29 03:15:52
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
I too would wear planetcrap panties. Proudly, dammit.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#160 by Duality
2002-07-29 03:23:35
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
So a decapitated bronto is out, but the words "PlanetCrap" is fine? Where do you work? :)

Casual dress office.  T-shirts are okay, even with logos / writing.  "Crap" I can see as being okay, but the bloodied bronto melon ... eh.  The dress code (or lack thereof) is wierd like that.

Comparatively speaking, the Valve folks keep a low profile, don't say stupid things, and the one product they did release was a doozy.

And yet 3DR has almost an entire media blackout except around E3 season.  How does that work?

I think it does go back to what diet crash said.  They keep giving a little tit to their community.

I would wear Planetcrap panties.  On my head, so that everyone can know where my online loyalties lie.

.GIF!

-Jon
The secret ingredient is evil.
#161 by m0nty
2002-07-29 03:25:18
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
I think it does go back to what diet crash said.  They keep giving a little tit to their community.


So many lines Duality, I don't know where to start.
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