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Cg: nVidious Plot or Graphical Revolution?
June 20th 2002, 01:55 CEST by m0nty Slipping in amongst the news of Morrowind, NWN and WarCraft 3, nVidia and Microsoft have unveiled what they claim is the strongest push yet to bring cinematic-quality real-time graphics from the movie screen to the PC. The introduction in version 9 of Microsoft's DirectX of a High-Level Shading Language (HLSL), revealed earlier in 2002 and which has just gone into beta, have been trumped by nVidia, which has announced a high-level programming language called Cg - short for "C for graphics". The common, familiar C-like syntax enables rapid development of stunning, real-time shaders and visual effects for graphics platforms, and is compatible with Microsoft's recently announced High Level Shading Language for DirectX® 9.0. With Microsoft around, you know there will always be standards issues (remember OpenGL?), and this is no different. Cg represents nVidia's latest salvo in its battle with ATI and other graphics card vendors for the hearts and minds of developers over their preferred programmable shaders and 3D APIs. The vendors have already started attacking each others' DX9 support, and Cg brings a whole new set of arguments about cross-platform implementation and proprietary technologies. Let the new standards war begin! If there is to be a war, nVidia surely have the metaphorical SoF2 briefcase camped beyond all hope of the terrorists escaping with it. In this interview with nVidia svengali David Kirk conducted by new Eurogamer offshoot Gamesindustry.biz, HLCL is even characterised as "Microsoft's own implementation of Cg", suggesting that nVidia is dictating terms to the dreaded Redmondians. Kirk fends off the inevitable question about incompatibility with non-nVidia hardware thusly: "Our compiler generates shader code and sends it to DirectX or OpenGL, and shaders are a standard, so they should run on any card that supports the shader standards, including our competitors? Besides, I think it's in our interest to make sure that Cg runs well on everything - we want people to really use this technology, and that's all about taking away their reasons not to... Making the compiler so that it didn't work well on ATI cards, for example, would be really bad for us too." Do you trust this man? Has nVidia created Cg out of the goodness of its heart, or is it really just another attack on its competitors? Does it matter, or should we just accept nVidia's dominance of the graphics card market? Will the majority of programmers choose Cg with all its supporting apps, or play it safe with the more limited HLCL? Will Cg become the new Glide - the troublesome rendering technology that was left behind when 3Dfx died? What does it mean for graphical engine makers, like id, Epic and Lithtech? What does this mean to games already in development: will they have to redo parts of their code? (Hi George B!) |
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I'd like to pretend like I didn't read the last 10 posts or so... BUT I CAN'T, I'VE BEEN HORRIBLY SCARED! Btw, when I get my NWN module finished, I'm putting special traps for all you PCers! I did not change my name...morn did.
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Are you going to have a special troll pit where they're going to think at us, complain about 3DR/DN4, complain about WoT, and badmouth Ep1? And I've yet to find the space bear OR neuter monster NPCs in the toolset! -Jon
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Please don't forget the Realm of Marketing Arizona Diamondbacks 2001 World Series Champions
"It's all about positioning! So assume the position!" JMCDaveL |
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Or Hulka's +12 Sword. |
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If you're into your British TV comedy then you owe it to yourself to buy series 1 & 2 of Spaced on DVD. It's like the televisual equivalent of a big spliff... laugh until it hurts sorta stuff. Plus it's about a computer game playing, comic book reading, Episode I hating, 20-something - so empathize dammit! And hey, it's worth it for the Resident Evil homage alone. "I'm sorry, I wasn't listening"
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Sometimes Duality, you got to get in there, roll up your sleeves, and make your own neuters by hand. Please stop using my web browser as a toilet.
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But Bailey, you're the real magical worker ... how bout I just pay you to chop the dangly bits? -Jon
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adds in further nostalgia Jamie and the magic Torch Chorlton & The Wheelies (elloooo Litul Laaady) The MooMins RentaGhost Joe 90 Ds Never argue with an idiot, theyll drag you down onto their level, then beat you with experience.
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If folks are into good DVD commentary tracks, check out Bound, the movie the Wachowski brothers made before making the Matrix. Wonderful stuff about how the movie was made, how various shots were pulled off, the brothers are funny, most of the rest of the cast shows up to comment, and hey, the movie is good too. |
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Hugin That's not a bad idea... that's one of my wife's favorite movies, mine to for the effect it had on her. :) I did not change my name...morn did.
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Hm. Hm. Considering its content, if your wife really loves Bound you're either a lucky bastard worthy of my envy or a poor bastard worthy of my sympathy. Time will tell. |
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Hugin I'd like to think a lucky bastard... Though I can't seem to influence the theory at all. The one woman she's found that she thinks she could potentially, maybe, kinda be someone she's attracted to is Angelina Jolie. Which is just plain wrong to me. Then again, she also thinks David Bowie is attractive, so your guess is as good as mine. I did not change my name...morn did.
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Mmmm, Corky ... "It's pretty common for pussies, dumbasses, and their families to blame their problems on vague influences like the media and society. The truth is, fuck you."
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Corky/Gina Gershon was insanely hot, I agree. And even Jennifer Tilly, who usually is too flaky, pulled off sort of calculating vibe her role required in the film. And of course, she was very...lush, physically. |
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Damn, now I'm going to have to go rent that again. What a great movie. Research has been shown to cause cancer in laboratory rats.
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What're you talking about, Perkins? David Bowie is a very handsome woman, for her age. Please stop using my web browser as a toilet.
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Bowie used to have cheekbones that could slice bratwurst. Now he just looks like your average Web designer. |
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He's holding up way better than say, McCartney or Jagger though. |
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Jagger can't even really be considered as possibly anywhere near holding up... he's getting old and it shows. Though I think it's extra vain that he had his video extremely touched up. I did not change my name...morn did.
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Mmmm, Corky ... Heh... having not seen "Bound", my first instinct was to assume this quote was directed at the character from "Life Goes On". Which I found somewhat... confusing. -chris |
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Lesbians are the new Downs Syndrome patients. Smashing!
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Sting is the hottest old guy ever. "My Idol is John Carmack and I just want to be a programmer like he is. So I just think that Hentai in 3D could be a great pleasure..."
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Sting is old? Christ. I need a new forum. |
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Octogenarian, really. Please stop using my web browser as a toilet.
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Bailey I'll pretend your playfully teasing me, because I know you're actually trying to twist a voodoo knife into my soul. According to imdb, he'll be 51 in October. I would have guessed he was a few years younger -- but the magic of television, make up, time machine etc. would help in that area. If 51 is the prevailing conception of "old" around here, it's no wonder I have such strong disagreements with everybody. Computers are a young business and all that. They said that more than 20 years ago too. |
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your=you're. Stupid Sting. |
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51 isn't too far behind the age of my parents, who are in their mid50s. That qualifies as old to me. Smashing!
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I'm turning 29 in 2 weeks. That's almost old, even more so when I tell my son I've been playing videogames for 23 years. Arizona Diamondbacks 2001 World Series Champions
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I'm 32. One foot in the grave and all that ... "It's pretty common for pussies, dumbasses, and their families to blame their problems on vague influences like the media and society. The truth is, fuck you."
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Then I'm 33.5 and dead. I believe I can fly......urk.
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HiredGoons I'll pretend your playfully teasing me, because I know you're actually trying to twist a voodoo knife into my soul. Indeed I am, I studied to be a boko for almost a full year. Please stop using my web browser as a toilet.
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(this sounds like a bad chatroom now) "Hi, my name is Matt, I'm 24, male, and I like soft things, who wants to be my friend?" btw, I'd say 30 something is old, but my wife is 34. Though I tease her about how old she is all the time, so maybe yer all ancient. I did not change my name...morn did.
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I turned 30 on June 7th. Shut up. All of you. Before I kill you. Now. I mean it. "I don't get mad. I get stabby."
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Haaaaaapppy birthday to you! Happy birthday to you! Haaaaaapppy birthday dear Caryn... Happy birthday to you! |
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Is Caryn old? Alles in Butter, liebe Mutter!
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She will be in ten years. A mere 1/3rd of her life. So little time left... tick, tick, tick... Please stop using my web browser as a toilet.
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Heh..... Planetcrap=PlanetThirtysomething... Arizona Diamondbacks 2001 World Series Champions
"It's all about positioning! So assume the position!" JMCDaveL |
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That's ok, Caryn. I like older women. If you'd like, I will rub Ben-Gay all over your body. Smashing!
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Haha, stop it, Nutty. I can't take it anymore, and I'm not even Caryn. To everyone who jumped all over Max Diablos: Where the hell were you when Nutty started with the creepy come-ons? |
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It's his Nutty Charms, remember. It proves he's all of 15, which is funny, because my 13 year old has better lines. Arizona Diamondbacks 2001 World Series Champions
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Bailey Indeed I am, I studied to be a boko for almost a full year. This explains my intermittent crushing eye pain. |
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Thanks for the belated birthday wishes. :) I forgot to have my turning-30 crisis. Maybe next year. "I don't get mad. I get stabby."
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well, if you're like most of the women i'm familiar with, you're going to be "turning 29" for the next 20, 30 years, so you'll have plenty of opportunity. :) Whoops, sorry, was my common sense showing again? -HoseWater
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Anal I agree about Nutty. But I've found if you ignore it, it goes away faster than if you poke at it. Caryn wasn't worrying about it, so I wasn't. Now, if you have a suggestion that won't make the problem flare out of hand....? I did not change my name...morn did.
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For you DVD-philes that have a lot of titles, check out this site. Cool little database utility that will post your stuff online for others to view. I'd post a link to mine, but their server seems to be experiencing some problems right now. "Conductor Fist says the next stop is your face! Choo! Choo!"
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Yeah I had that for a while ... Gestalt actually pointed it out to me at one point. Its a great tool to catalog my DVDs. And I would use it, I really would. Its just that I keep loaning out DVDs to people and I never seem to be able to inventory them, they're signed out so often (I don't actually have people sign out DVDs, but I'm really beginning to think I should). -Jon
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I actually use the sign-out feature in the program. It's helped me track down a couple of titles that I loaned out and forgot about. "Conductor Fist says the next stop is your face! Choo! Choo!"
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I've never even seen that! NEAT! I wouldn't mind loaning my DVDs out to people nearly as much ... if they would just rewind them before giving them back to me!! -Jon
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Yep. Check the status bar above a title's window and change the option to Loan to Custom. Pretty handy. "Conductor Fist says the next stop is your face! Choo! Choo!"
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I own exactly one DVD. Sound and Motion Vol.1 When it comes to cds I've got a few hundred. I like music. iamelectro
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