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Puny Boy Follow Hulk!
May 4th 2002, 13:57 CEST by m0nty

Amongst all the claims that violence in games begets real life violence, given fresh impetus by the Erfurt killings, it is refreshing to note that one American author is arguing on the side of the media. Killing Monsters - Why Children Need Fantasy, Super Heroes, and Make-Believe Violence is by Gerard Jones, a San Francisco-based "cultural critic", comic book author and historian, Pokemon translator, and all-American defender of the oppressed gaming masses.

This excerpt from his book details his escape from a life of small-town mediocrity by a student in his mother's English class, whose passionately-written essay on Marvel Comics encouraged her to give comics to her lonely and disenfranchised son.

My mother borrowed some, thinking they'd be good for me. And so they were. But not because they preached lofty messages of benevolence. They were good for me because they were juvenile. And violent.

The character who caught me, and freed me, was the Hulk : overgendered and undersocialized, half-naked and half-witted, raging against a frightened world that misunderstood and persecuted him. Suddenly I had a fantasy self to carry my stifled rage and buried desire for power. I had a fantasy self who was a self: unafraid of his desires and the world's disapproval, unhesitating and effective in action. "Puny boy follow Hulk!" roared my fantasy self, and I followed.

His argument, which he has espoused in many media appearances (on NPR, local papers, tech sites, comic fanzines and where I read about it today, in the Melbourne Age), is that violence in video games and other media has an inoculatory effect, allowing people who are experiencing rage (whatever its cause) to exercise it, and thus exorcise it. His argument is further detailed in the excerpt: go read it.

So, is this guy the Great White Hope for gamers everywhere who don't want to see their games censored and slashed beyond all sense of realism or fun? Is his thesis that violence is sometimes healthy correct, or are we kidding ourselves? Can his arguments combat the well-researched studies into the violence, sexism and racism inherent in games like this one? Why can't I stop dreaming about that damn briefcase in the Soldier of Fortune 2 multiplayer test? Whose side are you on?
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#34 by Bailey
2002-05-05 04:13:48
You got an extra n't in that last sentence.

The world loves a bastard.
#35 by Funkdrunk
2002-05-05 04:49:28
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
jjohnsen

I saw Spider Man today, and I'm betting there is already a sequel planned.


I believe all of the major actors have been signed up for 3 films, as Foodbunny already noted, but due to the estimated sales numbers the second movie is being fasttracked.  As for the sequel, some of the name dropping was a preview, because in an interview Dunst let slip that the early plots for the next film will have 2 villans, Dr. Ock and the Lizard.

Funk.

/I saw the film today as well, and the retired fan boy comic geek I buried gushed back the surface.  I spent the rest of the day beating it into submission.
#36 by Duality
2002-05-05 04:55:35
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
Now see, I thought Halle Barry did a pretty good Storm, when compared to that of the early / mid 90s Storm.  As well as that of the X-Men cartoon of about the same timeframe.

The butter religion will spread nicely.
#37 by Martin
2002-05-05 05:38:10
http://www.mocol.nu
#34 by Bailey
You got an extra n't in that last sentence.

Amen.

"that fatty crocodile! what a glutton!"
- Kayin
#38 by Bailey
2002-05-05 05:42:52
And here I was earlier today hoping they wouldn't take Doc Ock to the big screen in any of the future movies. Oi gevalt.

The world loves a bastard.
#39 by crash
2002-05-05 06:05:55
hey, Blade 2 was fun. brainless, and way over the top, but hell i wasn't there to see a revision of The Accidental Tourist with vampires. total popcorn flick. whee!

just... weary.
#40 by Warren Marshall
2002-05-05 06:19:45
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
crash

I agree!  Blade 2 was cool once you got past the kid talking ("Yo, yo B , what up!?").  The action scenes were awesome ...

WoT?
#41 by Funkdrunk
2002-05-05 06:30:39
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
Bailey

And here I was earlier today hoping they wouldn't take Doc Ock to the big screen in any of the future movies.


Why not?

He's one of the historical Spider-enemies, and the visual effect of the arms would be great.

Funk.
#42 by AnalFissure
2002-05-05 06:37:09
He's also Roy Orbison in spandex.
#43 by Matthew Gallant
2002-05-05 06:44:13
http://www.truemeaningoflife.com
Portly men in their 50s have no need to wear green and orange. Doubly so if they have a bowl cut.

Marketing is a crutch for mediocrity and a handicap to excellence.
#44 by Funkdrunk
2002-05-05 06:45:17
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
Just as an aside, Doc Ock was in the orginal script for this movie.  One of the smartest decisions in recent movie history was to remove the character.  He would have ruined the movie.


AF

He's also Roy Orbison in spandex.


Ok, well if you put it that way.

Funk.
#45 by Hugin
2002-05-05 06:46:26
lmccain@nber.org
Spider Man has a vast array of cheesy 70's villains to cringe at the thought of trying to update...Vulture, Kraven the Hunter, Scorpion...maybe with modern FX and an updated costume Electro could work...
#46 by Hugin
2002-05-05 06:48:39
lmccain@nber.org
You could update the look of Doc Ock...new haircut, new costume..they changed the look of the X-Men and the Goblin heavily and it turned out okay.
#47 by Bailey
2002-05-05 07:22:06
Wasn't Electro the one with the 60's dinette set clock for a face mask?

The world loves a bastard.
#48 by Hugin
2002-05-05 07:26:51
lmccain@nber.org
Yeah, all of Spidey's classic enemies look goofy.
#49 by Funkdrunk
2002-05-05 07:44:31
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
Bailey

Here's [url=http://www.samruby.com/Villains/Electro/electro.htm]Electro for you.

Marvel in the 60's were responsible for some horrible costume design.  But somehow, they've moved from bad to classic.

Funk.
#50 by Leslie Nassar
2002-05-05 07:44:46
http://departmentofinternets.com
...Vulture, Kraven the Hunter

The latest issue of Spider-Man's Tangled Web focuses on Kraven, Vulture, and a mystery man at a super villains bar bitching about how Spidey ruined their week.  It's hilarious.  Vulture all pissed off that he can't get a date, Kraven bragging about all the women he's had... comedy gold.

i like monkeys.  are you a monkey?
#51 by Funkdrunk
2002-05-05 07:45:04
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
Or even

Electro

Funk
#52 by Leslie Nassar
2002-05-05 07:46:43
http://departmentofinternets.com
Spider-Man's Tangled Web #13

i like monkeys.  are you a monkey?
#53 by Terata
2002-05-05 09:02:08
I just want to see Venom in action.
#54 by Bailey
2002-05-05 10:04:33
As long as they leave out Carnage. That guy always came across as some bland attempt at extending the Venom hoopla.

The world loves a bastard.
#55 by Martin
2002-05-05 12:39:10
http://www.mocol.nu
Everything Spidey was fine and dandy until they turned the comic into "Days of our lives" and Spidey into Angstman.

- Oh no, aunt May, don't die on me! Waaah!
- Oh no, Mary Jane, don't leave me! Waaah!
- Oh no, Doc Ock, don't hit me!! Waaah!

"that fatty crocodile! what a glutton!"
- Kayin
#56 by Darkseid-D
2002-05-05 14:03:39
rogerboal@hotmail.com
money on that they have to get Ahnuld in if they want Doc Oc


Ds

Never argue with an idiot, theyll drag you down onto their level, then beat you with experience.
#57 by Funkdrunk
2002-05-05 14:05:01
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
Martin

Err... Spider-Man was always like that.

Aunt May would have a heart attack every third issue.  

His first love of his life died.  Not too long after his second replacement father did.  And did I mention that replacement father was the father of his first love (Captain Stacy, and Gwen).

It was always this way.

Unless you were reading the Spidey comics based on the Spidey character from the Electric Company.

Funk.
#58 by sepultufart
2002-05-05 14:23:07
sepultufart@yahoo.com http://www.mp3.com/sepultufart/
violence in video games and other media has an inoculatory effect, allowing people who are experiencing rage (whatever its cause) to exercise it, and thus exorcise it.

Duke3d = Rage 18
Doom3 = Rage 16
C&C = Parental Guidance
The Sims = Any Rage

Kids, don't forget to watch for the rage levels, you don't want to be cought by your parents playing under-raged! (And don't forget to the following items on your list: Napkins, Whips, Handcuffs, Chains, Leather Pants...)
#59 by Martin
2002-05-05 16:06:03
http://www.mocol.nu
Funkdrunk: Hmmm... I remember it getting worse and worse over time. It was a very long time ago since I read it though.

"that fatty crocodile! what a glutton!"
- Kayin
#60 by Foodbunny
2002-05-05 21:09:11
foodbunny@attbi.com http://www.foodbunny.com
I like how Aunt May had a really wrinkly face but had silky smooth sexy legs.  I remember first noticing this in an issue where Dr Octopus kidnapped and tried to marry Aunt May.

They're cute, they're cuddly and jam shoots out their heads.  I want 'em all!
#61 by Martin
2002-05-05 21:09:22
http://www.mocol.nu
Hello? Am I the only crapper alive?

"that fatty crocodile! what a glutton!"
- Kayin
#62 by Martin
2002-05-05 21:09:46
http://www.mocol.nu
Now that's ironic.

"that fatty crocodile! what a glutton!"
- Kayin
#63 by Matthew Gallant
2002-05-05 21:11:33
http://www.truemeaningoflife.com
Hello? Am I the only crapper alive?


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#64 by Martin
2002-05-05 21:12:34
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So? Post damnit! I need to be entertained.

"that fatty crocodile! what a glutton!"
- Kayin
#65 by None-1a
2002-05-05 21:15:53
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#66 by chris
2002-05-05 21:28:41
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#67 by mgns
2002-05-05 22:30:21
Just saw spiderman.
Nice movie - tons better than x-men. Looking forward to the sequels. And you won't catch me admitting that about many flicks these days.

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#68 by Hugin
2002-05-05 22:57:24
lmccain@nber.org
The preliminary numbers indicate it made ridiculous money this weeked..114 million dollars.
#69 by Funkdrunk
2002-05-05 23:01:22
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
Hugin

I saw that on CNN as well.  I may be wrong, but I think that makes this film the first 100 million dollar opening weekend.

I wonder if the licencing percentage Marvel will get will help to take the stock out of the trash.

Funk.
#70 by jjohnsen
2002-05-05 23:07:17
http://www.johnsenclan.com
It better make a bunch of money.  I feel like i see a spider-man commercial every five minutes.

love is good, butter brings on the love...
#71 by jjohnsen
2002-05-05 23:12:06
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Once Star Wars comes out will it make any more?  How many blockbusters can a summer  keep alive?  This summer feels like it has so many movies, that something has to go down.  Spider Man, Minority Report, Star Wars, Road to Perdition, Sum of all Fears, Austin Powers all come out.  Can they all really make money?

love is good, butter brings on the love...
#72 by Hugin
2002-05-05 23:20:02
lmccain@nber.org
Unless it's spectacular, and I'm hearing it sin't, Austin powers is toast, the joke is over. Minority Report, also toast, it'll do okay-ish Mission Impossible 2 esque numbers maybe, but no more.  Honestly, I haven;t even heard of Road to Perdition, I'm guessing toast. Sum of all fears?  Ben Affleck has yet to prove he can really carry a movie, no one gives a damn about Tom Clancy anymore, and the movie has terrorists blowing up New York.  Check please.

Star Wars will do okay no matter what, but the tricky thing is, if word of mouth is basically "Hey, this is better than Ep 1!", then it might do a nice slower burn at the box office, instead of the big one or two weeks then out thing we see.  Men in Black will also do well no matter what.

So, Star Wars, Spiderman, Men in Black 2.  Everything else will be lucky to be on top for a week, then they'll drop off sharply and go home. That's my guess.
#73 by chris
2002-05-05 23:30:29
cwb@shaithis.com http://www.cerebraldebris.com
I think hugin's got it about right.

-chris
#74 by jjohnsen
2002-05-05 23:36:16
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Road to Perdition is the new Tom Hanks movie.  He plays a mob hitman in the 50's.  I never count Tom Hanks out, even with crap like Cast Away.

love is good, butter brings on the love...
#75 by None-1a
2002-05-06 00:00:12
Once Star Wars comes out will it make any more?  How many blockbusters can a summer  keep alive?  This summer feels like it has so many movies, that something has to go down.


Since there are so many anticipated movies comming out I wouldn't be supprised if nearly all of them end up rather high on the opening weekend charts. With so many comming out people are less likly to wait to see any given movie since another one will be opening soon after. Most of them will fall off rather quickly after that first weekend (spiderman's take next weekend will be interesting).
#76 by Duality
2002-05-06 00:00:34
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
I was gonn say.  How dare you talk about summer blockbusters and not mention MiB2!

Anyone know the story behind Ep2's Thursday theatrical release?  I've never, in all of my conscious years ever heard of a movie, especially a blockbuster film, being released on any day other than Friday.  Though I don't see the 3+ month theater plays that Ep1 had.  The 'better than Ep1' word of mouth has gotten around, unfortunately there are still quite a few jaded and skeptical out there.

I'm really gonn try and get some tickets for opening night, though.

The butter religion will spread nicely.
#77 by Sgt Hulka
2002-05-06 00:07:31
#30 Warren Marshall "The crack about yellow spandex was well done too.
"


I just caught then upon a 2nd viewing yesterday and actually laughed.  Great line!

....There are only two places in the world: over here and over there.
#78 by Matthew Gallant
2002-05-06 01:09:46
http://www.truemeaningoflife.com
Ben Affleck has yet to prove he can really carry a movie,


But he was the bomb in Phantoms, yo!

Marketing is a crutch for mediocrity and a handicap to excellence.
#79 by Darkseid-D
2002-05-06 01:11:59
rogerboal@hotmail.com
saw Resident evil earlier today.

not too shabby, Mila still cant act tho.


Episode 2 is allegedly going to `rock`, but Ill go see it on the 16th and make that judgement for myself ...



OBJ off topic, Samuel L Jackson has `BMF` engraved on his lightsaber hilt.....


Ds

Never argue with an idiot, theyll drag you down onto their level, then beat you with experience.
#80 by jjohnsen
2002-05-06 01:19:49
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Anyone know the story behind Ep2's Thursday theatrical release?  I've never, in all of my conscious years ever heard of a movie, especially a blockbuster film, being released on any day other than Friday.

I think it opens Thursday at midnight.  So its really Friday right?  I'm not sure.

love is good, butter brings on the love...
#81 by Martin
2002-05-06 01:23:43
http://www.mocol.nu
Here in Sweden movies opens on wednesdays as well as fridays during summer.

"that fatty crocodile! what a glutton!"
- Kayin
#82 by Matt Perkins
2002-05-06 01:29:26
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
The rest of you can go home...with your no venom or carnage junk.  Name to other bad guys who were better?

Carnage fricking own, espicially if they start right after spiderman first gets the black suit.  Might not have a enough time to fit carnage in, but that's why there's a third one planned.  Honestly, I can think of two better bad guys than those two that he fought, they were my favorite by far...specially when Mark Bagley drew them...

"King Kong aint got nothing on me!"
#83 by Matt Perkins
2002-05-06 01:30:11
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
I'd like to mention I'm stoned and can take no responsibility for any grammar in my posts...  :D

"King Kong aint got nothing on me!"
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