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Digital Fight Club, or Deathmatch for the new millenium?
March 15th 2002, 10:30 CET by Duality You stand before the steel box. Clenching the small knob between your thumb and forefinger, and placing your left hand on the cold, metallic plate. But it won't be cold for long. This will be the most intense game you've ever faced. Not only is your pride on the line, but so are your nerves, and perhaps the skin on your palm. And you thought pong was easy. But you love it. At least, that's what the makers of The Painstation think you'll feel. After months of the seemingly silent disappearance of Mad Catz' BioForce Controller, the first controller to provide a player with small electronic shocks to allow feeling the game; the Painstation enters. It promises to be "the prophet of a future, not necessarily peaceful, but more-efficient-civilisation." From the description doc: The painstation is an arcade cabinet. The opponents stand facing each other. The duel is based on pong, the well known game of console tennis from the early days. The instructions are easily explained: The player's right hand uses a knob to control his pad. The left hand has to remain on the PEU (Pain-Execution-Unit), so it creates an electric circuit. The game can start. Moving the paddle vertically the ball must be subtley returned into the opponent's direction. If a player misses the ball, it's not only annoying, but also painful. This slip causes massive anguish. How massive depends on which PIS (Pain-Inflictor-Symbol) the lost ball hits: heat, lashes, or electric shocks all of different duration and torrment the left hand (the new name of 'pang' comes to the authors' minds). In case one of the competitors lifts his hand off the PEU -- either out of pain overload or he blacks out -- he loses the duel. And sorry to say, he has to bear the "loser's brunt." The winner gets it all: the respect, the booze, and the sexual attention. The next time someone urges you politely to choose the weapon, choose the painstation. Tilman Reiff, one of the inventors swears that, "for those who don't mind a bit of pain, they usually find it extremely addictive." In the same article, stating that, "When you're playing in public against a friend with people cheering you on, it's very hard to throw in the towel without putting up a good fight. I've seen people leave the table with blood on their hands and their skin completely raw because they didn't want to back down in front of an audience." Likewise, their next project is said to be a high-tech punchingbag with multiplayer applications. Is there really a chance violent gaming will take a turn for the real in the future? And will the public enjoy it? |
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I'm simply amazed at how AO's admin was being with Caldwell! That doesn't look good upon AO or BlackSnow, to be honest. uNF!
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Oh well, it's a more interesting topic. I find it interesting that Blacksnow is trying to play their litigations with one company off against another in an attempt to basically blackmail them in to caving. What I find even more interesting is they acctauly found a law firm to take the case. I can just imagine how that talk went. lawyer: So as I understand it you want to sue both Mythic Entertainment and Funcom for banning your accounts. moron: yeah that about covers it. lawyer: Ok so do you have a copy of their aup, toc, or any thing? moron: sure right here. lawyer: ok so your actions in the game where rather clear violations of these rules here, yet to still want to do this? moron: sure that's not a problem is it? lawyer: o no we'll take the case and make our firm look like a bunch of idiots, not like I enjoyed my job anyway. |
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Enough about games, back to Realdolls. Anyone remember back when Realdolls first came out, as a marketing gimmick they were selling "Booby Balls" for like $10? They were like actual Realdoll breasts, formed into the shape of a ball with a nipple. What I wouldn't give for a roomful of Booby Balls. -max
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And the weirdest thing to me about those logs was that Lee Caldwell from Blacksnow himself sent them to the site. Why on earth would he do that when the logs paint him as the bigger bad guy here? Is he just not the sharpest tool in the box...? "When I'm old, I don't want them to say of me, 'she's so charming.' I want them to say, 'be careful, I think she's armed.'" - G. Stoddart
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Didn't anyone catch the interesting part? The amount of the bribe? Maybe he wants to buy 300 dvds or... God is dead. --Nietzsche, 1883
Nietzsche is dead. --God, 1900 |
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That was weird to me too Caryn. It's the one part I don't get. Why would he openly admit to attempted bribery of a company employee? It's just stupid. Maybe he didn't realize that was in there, I don't know. |
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just more proof backing the supposition that these games are administered by children. if this Adam guy has a job at the end of day today... good lord. and these logs and "evidence" just about killed BlackSnow's chances at anything remotely resembling a victory. "Oh, yeah, we routinely violate the terms of service/code of conduct in pursuit of money. It's our RIGHT!" fuck you, fellas. hope you have to sell everything you own to pay the legal fees. - if you can laugh at it, you can live with it.
- "Hey, how 'bout this: fuck you." -LPMiller |
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and a sad aside: why is it always fan sites that break stories like these? wait. don't answer that one. i'm depressed enough already, and i think i know the answer. - if you can laugh at it, you can live with it.
- "Hey, how 'bout this: fuck you." -LPMiller |
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crash i think i know the answer I don't. Funk. |
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I thought they were all ... more or less ... fan sites? Were you expecting CNN to break the story? uNF!
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I'm not sure what is so wrong with a fan site breaking the story...and as they go, this one is pretty decent. The Suns rays are made up of many atoms.
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Duality: Were you expecting CNN to break the story? no. but aren't there gaming sites out there with people on the payroll--getting paid, y'know, like real money and shit--to do stuff like this? at least there're supposed to be. aren't there? or does the "biting the hand that feeds you" analogy apply? looking at the IGN "story" linked from the unknownplayer piece, it's hard to believe that both IGN and unknownplayer are talking about the exact same situation. isn't it? or is that just me? it's probably me. never mind. i'll go back to sleep now. and btw, netscape6.2 isn't totally crap. it's sort of weird using it since i'm so used to IE now, but it ain't too bad. not nearly as bad as i was led to believe, anyway. it does weird things with the text cursor tho. - if you can laugh at it, you can live with it.
- "Hey, how 'bout this: fuck you." -LPMiller |
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LP: nothing wrong with it at all, conceptually. it was well done. would have been nice if the logs and mails would have been formatted a bit more cleanly/legibly, but wtf, that's a quibble. - if you can laugh at it, you can live with it.
- "Hey, how 'bout this: fuck you." -LPMiller |
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Though it seems we've wandered off topic already, the PainStation idea has been used before. Anyone remember that awful Bond film, Never Say Never Again ? (bad remake of Thunderball) There was a wierd game in that which electrocuted its users. |
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and btw, netscape6.2 isn't totally crap. it's sort of weird using it since i'm so used to IE now, but it ain't too bad. not nearly as bad as i was led to believe, anyway. it does weird things with the text cursor tho. Get mozilla. It seems to be more reliable, and a better browser overall, despite netscape being based on it. I still prefer IE, but mozilla is a very close second. |
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Yes, but then there's that Bond movie where they had a game which electrocuted the players. Also, are there any neuter characters in AO? If I seem superhuman, I have been misunderstood...
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crash: Probably not you. I was being jokey with that CNN line, anyway. I guess I never really thought about the distinct role of the ... more established gaming sites. But I always assumed they were more of the ilk of magazines and not really that of a news-breaking group such as Reuters / AP, or even that of a newspaper that prints those. |
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Nova: don't have a choice. work machine; need to be able to guide customers through the damned thing. sort of telling that i've been here almost a month and just got my first question on it today tho. - if you can laugh at it, you can live with it.
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Re: Blacksnow Well atleast they are consitent. "We have every right to farm and sell items!" They weren't contesting that they used exploits, they were contesting that it was illigal to do so. And considering that Realdoll dressed up like a Dark Elf. What be worse, dressing a doll up like that or your flesh and blood girlfriend? Seeing it my way since 1979
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Oh. Well. Sucks to be you! |
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Ashiran: They weren't contesting that they used exploits, they were contesting that it was illigal to do so. i have every right to make money from killing people. so what if killing people is against the rules? can't deny me the right to make money from it. that's what's going to hang them--the fact that they used bannable exploits, cheats, and hacks. they're not simply playing the game by the rules and selling the stuff they get--they're hacking and exploiting and cheating (which is against the rules of nearly every online game, mind you) to do so. the fact that they're willing to continue to do so--even going so far as to try to BRIBE THE COPS for chrissakes--will keep them out of the games. and watch for the code of conduct or terms of service in eq and daoc and ao and any game that wants to ban this behavior change to include the following concept: Anyone found dealing in real-life cash transactions using IP from our game--either buyer or seller--will be locked out of their account and permanently banned due to the overwhelming amounts of exploiting, hacking, and blah blah blah associated with this activity which is explicitly prohibited in section 7 above. it's really very simple. just wait. Nova Z: yes, yes it does. more than you know. - if you can laugh at it, you can live with it.
- "Hey, how 'bout this: fuck you." -LPMiller |
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The darkest side of capitalism is ignoring the law to gain a profit. Doesn't stop companies/individuals from doing so. But the biggest problem is when a loophole or merely a badly handled case sends the signal that it is okay to do so. |
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Oops... guess I'll have to check more carefully next time. Ho hum |
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http://www.realdoll.com/Letters.html Lol |
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Anon... Read those. Hahahahhaha. Real Doll is great for a good laugh. On the flip side, I took the kids to go see "Ice Age" today (good if you have small ones, but nowhere close to being as good as Shrek! was), and before the movie, I saw the goodness that is the new Episode II trailer. If you haven't seen it, get it. The emphasis is less on love and more on action, and I thought in this regard it did not disappoint. It had it all- Samuel L. Jackson swinging his purple lightsaber, Senator Palaptine beginning to smooth over Anakin, and Natalie Portman in her white, Princess Leia-like white outfit wielding a blaster in an arena with the Jedi. Great, great stuff. Stay home, haters! More room for my fat ass! Arizona Diamondbacks 2001 World Series Champions
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Blacksnow making 60K a month haxx0ring the GIPs? Where do I sign up? I was bitter and cynical before it was cool.
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Yeah, really. It's incredible to me how much money there is to be made by selling junk on ebay. I met a gal a couple weeks ago who quit her management job because she was making 10k/month buying used clothes at thrift stores and selling them on auction sites. Wonder if my pocket lint collection would bring in some good dough. Who am I kidding... of COURSE it would. -max
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mozilla's okay, but it's handling of stylesheets still sometimes makes me want to pull my teeth out. If I define a <div> as 100px wide, and then give it a border of 1 pixel, and padding of 4 pixels, the total width of the <div> should still be 100px. I should just have 90px of actual working space (border, pad, space, pad, border). But in NS6/Mozilla, the <div> expands out to 110px. st0000pid. -chris |
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Wake me up when those crazy Germans invent the PleasureStation. Well, I do not know if the Germans invented it, but you can wake up now |
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#34 by Martin Then again, I am abnormal. ("Where wolf? There wolf. There castle.") Why are you talking like that? And that's Abby Normal to the rest of us. |
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Gag gift they say ... SURE SURE uNF!
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I own the Love Ewe. I'm not joking. I feel dirty. (gift from a friend when we moved to Wyoming, I SWEAR...) "When I'm old, I don't want them to say of me, 'she's so charming.' I want them to say, 'be careful, I think she's armed.'" - G. Stoddart
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Frau Blucher? *horse whinney* Ds Never argue with an idiot, theyll drag you down onto their level, then beat you with experience.
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And what, praytell, do you do with this .. Love Ewe? uNF!
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BTW, although I am still on a high from the Episode II Trailer, let me tell you, the trailer for the Scooby Doo movie shows it was an idea best left on the drawing board. I do have to admit, the CG Scooby Doo looks good, but the dialogue is nothing but pure.... Doo. Sounds like some 45 year old watched a night of WB/UPN programmming to pick up the latest lingo and peppered it in the movie, yo. You know what I'm sayin'? Arizona Diamondbacks 2001 World Series Champions
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yotsuya the trailer for the Scooby Doo movie shows it was an idea best left on the drawing board Agreed, but I'm ashamed to admit I think Matthew Lillard does a damn near perfect Shaggy.... Funk. |
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And what, praytell, do you do with this .. Love Ewe? Well, mine is named Pearl and right now I think she's deflated. But she used to sit in my cubicle at GameSpy, and I'd put her in front of the webcam when I went to lunch. Many mornings I would come in and find her on top of the nail of the giant Quake 1 symbol we had hanging in my cubicle. You really had to work to get her up there, and getting her down consisted of me throwing things at her to knock her off. I never did find out who kept putting her up there... She's anatomically correct and she has make-up and a bow on her head. "When I'm old, I don't want them to say of me, 'she's so charming.' I want them to say, 'be careful, I think she's armed.'" - G. Stoddart
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Yeah, Funk, I'll give you that but: 1) Freddie Prinze Jr.'s Fred was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off. Not only did he make Fred look like a total dork, but where's the swishy yellow scarf? C'mon!!!! 2) Daphane NEVER showed THAT MUCH CLEVAGE. If she did, I probably could have tolerated Scrappy Doo for a few more seasons (I declared jihad on Scrappy Doo at a young age). 3) Velma looked like Velma, but still... not the same. Oh well. As a dad, sometimes you have to take one for the kids. Arizona Diamondbacks 2001 World Series Champions
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And, I'm sorry Mr. John Walker, but the \"Oh shit, they really don't like Americans\" defense just doesn't cut it. You made your bed, now you have to lie in it. Arizona Diamondbacks 2001 World Series Champions
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ACHTUNG ACHTUNG: Consider the lines of taste officially CROSSED --jmc
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Tequila is one of God's greater gifts to man. Yup. |
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Or is it Thelma? Dammit, wish I could blame it on the tequila. Arizona Diamondbacks 2001 World Series Champions
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This week, Unreal II becomes Unreal: Episode II and Unreal Tournament 2 becomes Unreal Tournament 2003. Next week, who knows? Maybe someone at Infogrames. There are also plans to release UT in yearly installments now, much like EA does with its sports titles. Will this fly for an FPS? |
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JMC ACHTUNG ACHTUNG: Consider the lines of taste officially CROSSED Bwahahaha... oh Acclaim. You so stupid. These people do have a public relations dept, correct? Besides, the original Shadowman blew. I was bitter and cynical before it was cool.
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oops, apparently Tim Sweeney posted that the Unreal 2 name change is just an idea and the plan for yearly UT updates is also just that -- an idea only. My favorite part of his comment (emphasis mine) was: "The Gamespot announcement was a mix of actual news and speculation (this wasn't Gamespot's fault; we seem to have some bugs in our PR pipeline.)" |
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#99 by EricFate #34 by Martin Then again, I am abnormal. ("Where wolf? There wolf. There castle.") Why are you talking like that? Yay! A truly classical flick I must say. And that's Abby Normal to the rest of us. Didn't want to make it too easy now... 9) Nice job anyho, your reward is either an hour with Jokers wang or an hour with the Painstation. Free of charge of course (except when it comes to the Painstation I suppose... 8) -- Martin
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#113 As you can see, they don't have a PR department... or they use the shack forums as one. game designer. RTS lover. Herbert owner. Bullshit artist. Not so humble anymore.
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#107 yotsuya "(I declared jihad on Scrappy Doo at a young age)." You too? Damn, too bad we didn't live closer, we could have started our own mililtia or clan. .....Another 0l$en Approved +12 Post!
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Ergo, you stole my nik pic. Shame on you. When you look in the mirror, I'll bet you spit at the image, because YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT THE CHILDREN. Heeeeeerrrrree's DINGLEHOFFEN!!!!!
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#115 by Martin Nice job anyho, your reward is either an hour with Jokers wang or an hour with the Painstation. Free of charge of course (except when it comes to the Painstation I suppose... 8) Hmm. Would just the wang itself be shipped, or do I have to take all the crap it comes bundled with. An hour isn't much time, but it might be interesting to see how it fares in the microwave, on the bonfire, or with some liquid nitrogen. |
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