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	On Donations and other beasts February 28th 2002, 14:05 CET by Morn [topic deleted because Paypal are criminals]

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#17 by Morn
2002-02-28 16:07:47

Don't worry about it. :)

Hendrik "Morn" Mans • morn@planetcrap.com • admin/coder/kraut

#18 by JMCDaveL
2002-02-28 16:23:52

Will Eldin manage the PayPal account?

--jmc

#19 by Matt Perkins
2002-02-28 16:42:52

Morn, donations shall follow... if no other reason than I like to support labors of love... speaking of blah and not being web savy since 1997 (forever ago), can blah be used in conjunction with the rest of a site? If I use blah, does it have to look just like your site? Or can I have part of it be about the comments and the like and do the what I like with the rest of it?

Either way, blah makes me want to run a website :)

-wzrd
stupid vowels

#20 by Morn
2002-02-28 16:48:06

blah can be easily integrated into an existing site. Since blah uses normal PHP includes for its templates, you can even reference "non-blah" includes you are already using on your site.

Regarding a blah site looking and working like PlanetCrap, you can basically change everything you want to change, but of course the more you want to change, the more work it'll be. Basically, blah itself manages all the data and the "actions" (ie, "display topics", "post a comment", "list users"), but everything it actually displays comes from the templates, which it simply passes its data to.

So, well, to a certain extent a blah site will always have a topic/thread/comment/user structure, but how those are conveyed to your users is totally up to you (and your templates).

Theoretically, you could call the topics "Forums", disable the submission bin completely, post a couple of "topics" like "General Discussion", "Quake 3 Arena Discussion", "Unreal Tournament Discussion", tag them all as "semi-threaded", and use blah as a standard messageboard system.

Just an example. :) Man, I love talking about blah.

Hendrik "Morn" Mans • morn@planetcrap.com • admin/coder/kraut

#21 by Matt Perkins
2002-02-28 17:05:16

You may just be the man!

blah sounds great and I'll have to come up with a reason for me to spout my crap on a site I call my own... So very customizable, it sounds... Will it come with an easy install for us web noobs, so we can have a generic setup while we figure it out?

As for changing it around, that would be a must. I love to mess with things, learn how they work and make them work for me. :)

-wzrd
stupid vowels

#22 by Duality
2002-02-28 17:08:17

>> I ... will ... obey. *cha-ching* <<
Incoming love, Morn.

I think PayPal has other ways of payment ... not exactly sure, though.
Personally, I use my debit card. That way I can make purchases that I would otherwise need a CC, but not worrying about credit card hassles. When I'm outta money, I know I'm outta money and don't spend anything else.

-duality
... disguised as a genderless burrow owl ... 6.0!

#23 by Scrozzy
2002-02-28 17:35:40

The Blah thing sounds interesting. I might possibly use it one day, and be assured that if I do, I'll donate handsomely. =)

#24 by Morn
2002-02-28 17:42:23

Will it come with an easy install for us web noobs, so we can have a generic setup while we figure it out?

You install it by unpacking/uploading it wherever you need it to be, and you configure it by editing a little configuration include file. In order to make your site work, you only need to change the database connection settings; all other options are optional (hehe). Of course you'll probably want to change some of them (like the site title, webmaster name & email, and such). There are many, many additional options that allow you to customize almost every aspect of your blah site if you really need to fine-tune things.

Hendrik "Morn" Mans • morn@planetcrap.com • admin/coder/kraut

#25 by The_Joker
2002-02-28 19:05:41

#3 Roadkill beard:

Morn has a girlfriend??

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.

#26 by crash
2002-02-28 19:25:26

yep. you simply weren't enough for him, Joker. i think he was waiting for The Right Time to tell you.

sorry.

- if you can laugh at it, you can live with it.
- "Hey, how 'bout this: fuck you." -LPMiller

#27 by Morn
2002-02-28 19:57:44

Yes, we've been together for more than 4 years already. We're not married yet, though, so there were no wedding rings I could sell. Damn. ;)

Hendrik "Morn" Mans • morn@planetcrap.com • admin/coder/kraut

#28 by Bailey
2002-02-28 20:07:47

Sigh. All the craplinks are directing me to Chromag, which I can connect to easily but it seems no one else can. I weep for the children. Well, not really, more me than the children.

Sir, you are seriously hunting my wumpus.

#29 by m0nty
2002-02-28 20:09:11

Try eu.craplink.net.

#30 by m0nty
2002-02-28 20:11:13

Or just scroll back up to #12 where Morn explains all. ;)

#31 by Bailey
2002-02-28 20:40:32

I did try the eu! No worky!

Sir, you are seriously hunting my wumpus.

#32 by Bailey
2002-02-28 20:40:59

Never mind, third time's the charm.

Sir, you are seriously hunting my wumpus.

#33 by bluishred
2002-02-28 21:07:19

does paypal accept bowls of curry as a form of donation?

#34 by Narcopolo
2002-02-28 21:17:01

Mozilla's integrated IRC client seems to work. I don't know why this is a bit of a shock to me, it was practically painless. Oh well, I'm not keeping score anymore, I like it, I'll keep it.

#35 by Leslie Nassar
2002-02-28 21:55:38

Narcopolo, which build of Mozilla are you using? I tried the integrated IRC about a week ago and it caused an AV right off the bat.

#36 by Narcopolo
2002-02-28 23:23:23

The latest version, 0.9.8

This is the first time I've tried it since I freshly installed Windows two months ago, so that might be part of it.

#37 by Bailey
2002-02-28 23:59:01

Only you can save this site from financial ruin or cruel jokes on Fucked Company.

Sir, you are seriously hunting my wumpus.

#38 by Duality
2002-03-01 00:18:47

Would morn make it onto Fucked Company? I thought you had to be a company to do that. Unless morn's got a turd in his pocket helpin' him code, I don't think he has any company.

-duality
... disguised as a genderless burrow owl ... 6.0!

#39 by Matthew Gallant
2002-03-01 00:22:16

Well, he is German.

Marketing is a crutch for mediocrity and a handicap to excellence.

#40 by The_Joker
2002-03-01 00:25:18

#26 by crash:

Damnit!

#33 by bluishred:

LOL

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.

#41 by LPMiller
2002-03-01 00:51:29

trillian seems to work fine with crapchat.

What's the point of wearing your favorite rocketship underpants if nobody ever asks to see 'em?

#42 by Gossip
2002-03-01 10:52:39

#41

It does indeed.

Carlo "Gossip" Zottmann ·· G-Blog.net ·· Planet Jumpgate

#43 by jafd
2002-03-01 13:08:28

Unfortunately PayPal does not support neuter characters. :/

Nevertheless arrangements have been made.

I want a sub-crap with access exclusive to those who have donated non-trivial amounts. (Cash, I mean, not just content. d(:)

Thank

you!

choose any two: Cheap, Fast, Good.

#44 by Warren Marshall
2002-03-01 16:09:37

Shit, a few dollars a month is the least I can do considering the bandwidth I chew up on this site. :P

I am a magnificent three toed sloth.

#45 by Desiato
2002-03-01 17:57:38

Just so everyone knows - you can also utilize babblefish and amazon.de to donate something off of 'hendrik@mans.de' wishlist. Here are a few links....and yes, I'm doing this without any prompting.
It seems the right thing to do considering all the work morn has put into this site, and the fact that I'm constantly entertained by the IRC channel and now Blah as well.

Herr m0rn's wishlist: Here.
Bablefish: Here.
Currency Converter: Here.

Note: Don't use a comma when converting, or you might have a heart attack as it parses 61,35 as six thousand one hundred thirty five euros. For us in the USA, current rate as of this posting is 1 USD = 0.864965 Eur.

Why Amazon.de? Simple. They source it locally and ship it - not across oceans and continents.

I did it, its easy....you can even pull up the english site and go along - most of the formatting is the same.

Desiato

#46 by Desiato
2002-03-01 17:59:41

Postscript:

I meant by "pull up the english site and go along" as using the english site as a guide for what to do if you don't feel like doing all that translation....I did not mean ordering from it.

Heh.

Desiato

#47 by HoseWater
2002-03-02 01:32:09

Hmmm..... I'd like to contribute, but I am creditless.

I have a personal rule that I live on what I earn, and not a cent more. Part of that means the only creditcard I have, is work issued, and unless I could somehow convince them that planetcrap was work related, I could end up causing myself a world of pain.

How about a mailing address for one of those old antique things called cheques or money orders?

The internet needs a plan B for dealing with money, it drives me nuts that the credit companies of the world seem to have taken it over without even trying.

I need a card that I can preload with real earned cash. I wonder if such a thing exists.

#48 by None-1a
2002-03-02 01:42:36

I need a card that I can preload with real earned cash. I wonder if such a thing exists.

Yes it's called a debit card and a seperate checking account just for the card (tho it tends to not be a great idea to use them online since the protection veries from bank to bank). I also remember someone once linking to a p0rn card that was supposted to be used to pay for sites (of course not being backed by a major credit company means sites have to out of their way to support such a thing).

O and all of you people bitching about paypal not taking any thing but credit cards, sign up for an accont. That will let you do a EFT to add money to the paypal account to use to pay for the donation.

#49 by HoseWater
2002-03-02 01:47:10

Well, I have a debit card...I practically live off the damn thing...what's money look like again?

But I've yet to see a website say Visa/Mastercard/Scotiabank debit/diners.

As for those of up bitching about paypal not taking anything but ccards...the last time I checked, paypal would not work transfering cash directly from a Canadian bank account. Did that change?

#50 by jjohnsen
2002-03-02 01:51:22

Wow on the Amazon wishlist it says the Tripods show is on DVD in Germany, anyone know if it's available in the U.S.?

Coarse and violent nudity. Occasional language.

#51 by None-1a
2002-03-02 02:02:35

But I've yet to see a website say Visa/Mastercard/Scotiabank debit/diners.

That's a damn funky debit card seeing that most of them are issued by Visa/Mastercard so they can be used any where those are taken with out needing the buisness to do any thing extra.

As for those of up bitching about paypal not taking anything but ccards...the last time I checked, paypal would not work transfering cash directly from a Canadian bank account. Did that change?

Wired the only thing the site talks about is withdraws to international banks (allowed is some areas), nothing about going the other way. Hum guess the only way to find out would be to e-mail them and ask (seeing that I don't really care that much I'll leave it up to someone else)

#52 by HoseWater
2002-03-02 02:10:34

Seems we have an international banking language communication breakdown on the go here.

Time to back it up a bit so we are on the same page.

In Canada here, like every other civilized country I assume, we get cards from the bank for use in bank machines. That card, here is known locally, among other things, as our debit card. We can use it to spend money straight out of our account pretty much anywhere there's a cash register.

In Canada, this is a very, very popular way of spending money. Instead of withdrawling money from a bank machine to spend elsewhere, we just leave the money in the bank until we are ready to spend it, using the bank issued debit card which sucks money straight out of our checking accounts.

Visa/mastercard have nothing to do with the process.

What sounds funky (and exciting) to me, is that you think they have a credit companies have a debit card...this is something I am going to have to look into. (PS how do they make money off these things?)

As for paypal, I suspect nothings changed, and you still need to have an American bank account to use it without credit.

#53 by Duality
2002-03-02 02:27:42

HoseWater: You can't use it as a credit card? Every one that I've seen is supported by one of the major CC companies. My bank happens to use Visa. My parents' bank uses MasterCard.

"sometimes america confuses me when i think about it. that's why i try not to think about it too much." :crash

#54 by HoseWater
2002-03-02 02:29:59

If I had a credit card, I could use it as one...of course. But I don't.

I have a debit card. See message #52 for long winded explination of what I mean when I say that. :)

#55 by None-1a
2002-03-02 02:34:48

What sounds funky (and exciting) to me, is that you think they have a credit companies have a debit card...this is something I am going to have to look into. (PS how do they make money off these things?)

They add a small charge for it (I would assume your bank does something to the same effect when you use the card). The cards simply work with the visa/mastercard system (every thing is still done via your bank), just makes things easyer when traveling since you don't need to worry about what bank/atm system is used in the new area.

#56 by HoseWater
2002-03-02 02:41:03

Looked around, noticed I did not have a broken leg.  Decided to goto to visa's web site to see what this credit company debit card stuff was all about since no one else seemed willing to do it for me.

Seems they do have one.  Sounds like exactly what I want. To order one, they point me at my banks website, which of course have zero, nothing, nada, and zip about the issue.

Looks like I'll actually have to talk to them.  I've not been in a bank, or talked to one since the day the ATM was invented, except once to get a new debit card to replace a worn out one.  This should be interesting.  Hell, my local bank branch is like 100Km's away from me.  Never bothered to change it since I never have to actually go there.

#57 by Darkseid-D
2002-03-02 02:53:13

my fiancee`s credit union has a `credit` card that you can `precharge` with funds. Requires a minimum balance of something like $100 and you cant charge more to it than youve put funds onto it for. Something like that would do you fine, Id imagine.

Ds

Never argue with an idiot, theyll drag you down onto their level, then beat you with experience.

#58 by HoseWater
2002-03-02 03:11:38

Yep, that would do the trick. I sent the bank an email asking if they had anything like that.

#59 by Duality
2002-03-02 03:46:57

Yeah Hose. A debit card, here in the US, is exactly what you described, plus can be used as a credit card -- but instead of using a credit card account, it pulls funds directly from the checking / savings account.

I say its part of MasterCard / Visa because its either accepted as one or the other (whoever the bank has an agreement with).

Sorry if I didn't say it clearly the first time. :)

*smooches*

#60 by chris
2002-03-02 09:41:05

Now there will be much subscribing.

Also, I bet my avatar's broken... mr0n - there's no way to say "stop using an avatar" in the user prefs at the moment. =)

-chris

#61 by chris
2002-03-02 09:41:24

hm... still works. Still, it should be disable-able, no?

-chris

#62 by Bailey
2002-03-02 10:51:25

Penny Arcade geek.

Sir, you are seriously hunting my wumpus.

#63 by JMCDaveL
2002-03-03 05:00:59

He's just flaunting his gamespy whoredom :P

--jmc

#64 by Hugin
2002-03-03 07:35:59

Hosewater, what you're initially describing as a debit card is often just called an ATM card in the United States. You can get cash from cash machines with it, or pay for basic items in a lot of stores like grocery stores or pharmacies. But it has no Visa/Mastercard logo. You can't buy thing online with it. And you cant use it in a lot of cases, for high end purchases, you can't use it to say, directly buy something at...Best Buy or Home Depot. Some banks don't even bother to issue these anymore, and just immediately give all thier customers debit cards.

Debit cards, at least in my area (east coast US), are also often called check cards. They do have Visa/Mastercard logos, and you can use them to make whatever purchase you like, as long as you have the funds to cover it in the bank. You could buy a car with one, concievably, or online purchases.

And then a true credit card has the Via/Mastercard logo, but is tied to a line of credit, not your checking account, you can buy more than you currently have, and pay it off through monthly billing.

#65 by jafd
2002-03-03 11:37:58

you can buy more than you currently have, and pay it off through monthly billing.

Water, I agree with your personal rule above, I know the feeling. So I don't mean to be telling you what to do here...

but aren't you wasting time and adding extraneous unhappymaking by sticking to it so strictly? I mean, yeah, don't buy shit on credit. A sound strategem. But what's stopping you from just getting a credit card, budgeting it out, and paying everything off at the end of every month?

I mislike discussing other people's business in public, eh, but you brought it up. While I certainly respect your desire to keep temptation away... It's 2k2! Embrace the dark lords. It'll make you look cool and older.

choose any two: Cheap, Fast, Good.

#66 by None-1a
2002-03-03 12:36:48

but aren't you wasting time and adding extraneous unhappymaking by sticking to it so strictly? I mean, yeah, don't buy shit on credit. A sound strategem. But what's stopping you from just getting a credit card, budgeting it out, and paying everything off at the end of every month?

Every one should have one card they do that with. If for nothing else building a good credit rating for other crap.

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