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Anarchy Online Best MMORPG of 2001?
February 12th 2002, 22:06 CET by Morn Believe it or not, but good old Anarchy Online has been awarded Best MMORPG of 2001 by PC Gamer. Hmm. Ignoring the crash problems the game had in the first months after its launch, I can honestly say that I've had more fun with AO than I've had with DAoC. Yes, DAoC has been very stable, but it lacks something AO has. Maybe allowing me to be silly? Who knows. Overall, I think MMORPGs aren't anywhere near where they could, or should be. Everquest, Asheron's Call, Dark Age of Camelot and Anarchy Online are all essentially the same game -- one of the reasons why I'm currently not subscribed to any of them. (The other is the little thing about having to play with other people. Oh, the horror.) Anyway -- should a game that was shipped in a horrible, horrible state be awarded like this, no matter if it's the most fun? Doesn't that send the wrong message to developers and publishers alike? Discuss, people! |
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Yes Flamey, it's called Windows Update. You can turn it off. THE HORROR!!! Sorry Bailey, of course one could argue that one should do work at work :P --jmc |
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*sigh*. I need to get around to getting my A+ cert. I'm applying to the Dept of Transportation soon, and no matter how useless the cert is (and how much I can pass it with nooooo problems) it still looks good. I just can't justify paying what, 300$ for both tests. |
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Cool. http://www.testvouchers.com/ has them for 25% off, if anyone else is on the low-end of the IT industry. |
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flamethrower: Word to the Irish among us, yur cops are as good as yur soldiers. Shouldn't that be 'yur cops are as "good" as our cops. But they're still not as bad as our soldiers' ? deadlock bleh |
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JMC At this job, I'd go a little nutty without PC at my fingertips. But I was reading it at home, in any case. This shitty PC couldn't handle any page with sound or graphics anyway. Literally, it's an overclocked 486 dx or somesuch dinosaur. |
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Morn, You should move #planetcrap to QuakeNet, the IRC network for today's gaming cognoscenti. Not that I'm affiliated with it in any way at all mind. No siree. |
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re: 'Lord of the Rings' I felt the first fifteen minutes of the film were phenominal. The rest of the content was true in the spirit of Tolkien. However, It ended just like...that. Strange. The Male Battle-D |
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Which is exactly how the first book ended, so it pretty much fit the bill. |
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Quote: [Which is exactly how the first book ended, so it pretty much fit the bill.] Perhaps. However, to the casual moviegoer (myself and someone else) the ending was (to put it nicely) 'anti-climatic'. The Male Battle-D |
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Battle Dwarf: However, to the casual moviegoer (myself and someone else) the ending was (to put it nicely) 'anti-climatic'. Heh, from what I heard the 'casual-moviegoer' didn't even understand a fuckin thing of the movie since the 'casual moviegoer' never read the book... |
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#75 Gunp01nt Heh, from what I heard the 'casual-moviegoer' didn't even understand a fuckin thing of the movie since the 'casual moviegoer' never read the book... I never read the book(s) and I understood the movie just fine. |
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caryn: I never read the book(s) and I understood the movie just fine. Then you're with the smart 5% that didn't read the book but understood the movie the first time they saw it. |
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Considering there's little to no closure until half-way through the third book, there's not really much the director could do about that without rewriting the whole story. Sucks for the LCD as most didn't seem to understand there's going to be two more movies, but hey, whaddya do? |
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#77 Gunp01nt caryn: I never read the book(s) and I understood the movie just fine. Then you're with the smart 5% that didn't read the book but understood the movie the first time they saw it. Whatever, man. I saw the movie with six other co-workers who never read the books who had no problems at all, and I'm not sure any of them CAN read. They're not exactly brain trusts. |
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#79 Ergo #77 Gunp01nt caryn: I never read the book(s) and I understood the movie just fine. Then you're with the smart 5% that didn't read the book but understood the movie the first time they saw it. Whatever, man. I saw the movie with six other co-workers who never read the books who had no problems at all, and I'm not sure any of them CAN read. They're not exactly brain trusts. I know other people too who saw it and understood it, and even loved it. The wife of a friend of mine is totally NOT into fantasy, never read the books, and he said that even she loved the movie and understood what was going on. |
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Wait a minute... someone who uses a handle involving the term "dwarf" who hasn't read Tolkien? That's just wrong. And probably hypocritical, but I'm not sure how. |
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I'm a bit worried that when the movie was called out at the Awards nominations, it was "Lord of the Rings", when the actual name of the film (and the first book) is The Fellowship of the Ring. Will The Two Towers be known as Lord of the Rings II? /me shudders... |
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I thought the movie ended as well as a the first chapter of a 3 volume set can, they have a major battle, Frodo sets on his journey, blah blah... works out good to me. Reminded me of Empire Strikes Back. --jmc |
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#83 JMCDaveL I thought the movie ended as well as a the first chapter of a 3 volume set can, they have a major battle, Frodo sets on his journey, blah blah... works out good to me. Reminded me of Empire Strikes Back. --jmc Agreed. It cracks me up when people say "But it ended so abruptly!" |
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Yeah, those people are crazy! Sure, the film went on and on about how the ring must be destroyed, then stopped before the task is complete without any explanation... but that's not abrupt, that's masterful storytelling! |
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Hrm... wonder if I put a copy of The Two Towers on e-bay as a "finely bound, early working edition of the second LoTR script", would it sell? |
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Bailey Hrm... wonder if I put a copy of The Two Towers on e-bay as a "finely bound, early working edition of the second LoTR script", would it sell? Like Hot & Fresh Krispy Kreme sex rings. |
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Max kindly set up a new IRC server on his machine, irc.chromag.net. irc.planetcrap.com has been CNAME'd to it, so you can use that to connect, too. The channel is still #planetcrap. Enjoy. And thanks, Max. =) - Morn |
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#86 Bailey Hrm... wonder if I put a copy of The Two Towers on e-bay as a "finely bound, early working edition of the second LoTR script", would it sell? Yes it would. ........I always give 110% +12 |
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#85 Leslie Nassar Yeah, those people are crazy! Sure, the film went on and on about how the ring must be destroyed, then stopped before the task is complete without any explanation... but that's not abrupt, that's masterful storytelling! Excellent point! We should tell Jackson that since most people are dense, he should call the next movie Episode II so he doesn't confuse them! |
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Hulka Yes it would. That's sad, but for... scientific study... I'm going to try it tonight anyway. |
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Leslie Nassar: Yeah, those people are crazy! Sure, the film went on and on about how the ring must be destroyed, then stopped before the task is complete without any explanation... but that's not abrupt, that's masterful storytelling! My sister went to it with her boyfriend last weekend and they were both bemused by the ending. She was like 'it was great until the end - when the film finished and they hadn't even destroyed the ring, it was just fucking pointless'. When I pointed out that it was the first part of a trilogy and there was probably five more hours of film to go before we see the ring actually destroyed, it dawned on her that there was a reson that it's called 'Lord of the Rings - Fellowship of the Ring'. deadlock |
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Just to get a little something off my chest here: Fucking techs. Nothing personal against any of those of you here who fall under the terminology, but the jackasses I bought my PC off of in July have forgotten all the assurances and promises they gave me at the time regarding upgrade-friendliness... i.e. discounting ram or processors if I brought the system back to them and ordered the parts through them. Now they tell me I "should be able to sell the old parts secondhand without much trouble". I should've gotten it in writing, in retrospect, but the situation regarding the forming of their business (splitting off from an older company and leaving all the sleazy business types behind, in order to form a purely geek-run operation) I took them at their word as it all seemed so very earnest. Sigh. I can't believe in anything anymore. Don't even get me started on the Santa Claus fiasco from last week. |
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#93 Bailey Just to get a little something off my chest here: Fucking techs. Sigh. I can't believe in anything anymore. Don't even get me started on the Santa Claus fiasco from last week. Don't feel alone Baileytron, I fell for the same scam a few years ago. GET IT IN WRITING is the best advice. In my experiences in life, most people will fuck you over for a buck. Sad, but true. ........I always give 110% +12 |
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#94 Sgt Hulka Don't feel alone Baileytron, I fell for the same scam a few years ago. GET IT IN WRITING is the best advice. In my experiences in life, most people will fuck you over for a buck. Sad, but true. And while your getting it in writing make sure it doesn't say "we have the right to revise this upgrade policy at any time" any where in it. |
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So, can anyone recomment a good napalm solution? I'm thinking 2 parts gasoline to 1 part detergent, but it's been a good while since I was this much a dissatisfied customer, so I might be a bit off... |
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You should forgive them. That's what Jesus would want you to do. |
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I think jesus should speak for himself -chris |
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#82 m0nty I'm a bit worried that when the movie was called out at the Awards nominations, it was "Lord of the Rings", when the actual name of the film (and the first book) is The Fellowship of the Ring. Will The Two Towers be known as Lord of the Rings II? /me shudders... Explain why it would matter, as long as it continues to not suck. Besides, it is going to be Lord of The Rings II, Electric Boogaloo, duh. |
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Look behind you. |
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"So, can anyone recomment a good napalm solution? I'm thinking 2 parts gasoline to 1 part detergent, but it's been a good while since I was this much a dissatisfied customer, so I might be a bit off..." No. But, lots of styrofoam cups and some gasoline will turn into a napalm-like jelly. Takes maybe a few days, just put some gas in a bucket, add cups and ignore until it's Jello. |
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So, I went to the AO homepage and checked out the forums...is it me, or is basically every forum for that game composed of people complaining endlessly that thier class is unfairly underpowered compared to...something, if not everything else? Sigh. Game Balance: That state in which your character doesn't magically kick every other character's ass, no matter how agressively you misspell things. I would have tried the one week trial as a Sci-fi game is more compelling to me than a fantasy one, but I didn't like that you couldn't try the demo week without putting in credit card info first, and I didn't like that they would assume you wanted to subscribe for the next month unless you cancelled before the week was up. Jeez guys, it's a game that will theoretically ensnare me for the next several months or years of my life, give me a taste before you take my credit card info...and when my week is up, just deactivate me, don't try to sneak that next month in... |
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Bailey So, can anyone recomment a good napalm solution? I'm thinking 2 parts gasoline to 1 part detergent, but it's been a good while since I was this much a dissatisfied customer, so I might be a bit off... Carnivore and Echelon are watching you now. Beware. Funk. |
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#103 by FunkDrunk Carnivore and Echelon are watching you now. Beware. Funk. Pfft. Sedition, treason, assassinate the president, Taliban, napalm, briefcase nukes, anthrax, Osama's renting my attic room, decepticons, Candyman, Candyman, Candyman, Candyman, Candyman. Pfft. I would hope our law enforcement authorities have something more important to do than investigate the 'Crap. |
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LPMiller (#99): Explain why it would matter, as long as it continues to not suck. Besides, it is going to be Lord of The Rings II, Electric Boogaloo, duh. I love it when my reply is written for me in advance. |
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Hugin Candyman, Candyman, Candyman, Candyman, Candyman But what does Derek Smart have to do with this? Funk. |
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I've seen a quite a few adaptations (comic book form, film, video games) to understand where the source material is borrowed from, as I am sure many of you have. Everyone I know who viewed the movie understood it (which isn't the issue). I still feel the movie ended...just...like...that. Since I already know what the main characters task at hand is, I'm not really that compelled to see what happens next since the film is spread very thin over_TWO_MORE_MOVIES*. ---what is this?! Back to the Future II/III Quote: [Someone who uses a handle involving the term "dwarf" who hasn't read Tolkien? That's just wrong. And probably hypocritical, but I'm not sure how.] That's BATTLE-DWARFto you! I wouldn't read too much into it! ;) The Male Battle-Dwarf *requiring two more ticket sales! |
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Hugin decepticons Oddly enough, the Decepticons were a gang in Brooklyn in the early to mid 80's. Speaking their name too loudly near police would get you stopped and frisked. So us geeks who liked the toys/comic books would speak of them only amoungst ourselves, and in hushed whispers... Funk. |
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#96 Bailey So, can anyone recomment a good napalm solution? /*a good napalm solution*/ Thanks, I'll be here all week. |
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Fuck'em |
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That's funny. I don't suppose anyone called themselves the Autobots..not evil and cool enough.. Meanwhile, Battle Dwarf, why do you say "spread thin" over two more movies? The amount of plot, subplot, reversals, new characters, etc.. they have to cram into the next two movies hurts the brain. I mean, it's not as if they had Fellowship as a stand alone book, filmed all but the last chapter, and the good "Ring into Mount Doom" stuff will be padded out lamely, there's another two whole densely written books worth of material there. It's not Peter Jackson's fault if anything but the most simplistic and direct resolution of the plot is too much for a small number (judging by the glowing reviews and the big box office) of short attention span viewers to deal with, it wasn't advertised as "Lord of The Rings, the Cliff Notes Version". |
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Hugin: So, I went to the AO homepage and checked out the forums...is it me, or is basically every forum for that game composed of people complaining endlessly that thier class is unfairly underpowered compared to...something, if not everything else? when the entire endgame is PvP, class vs. class balancing becomes extremely important. critical, in fact, since (using AO as an example) literally 3/4 of the game is PvP. sure, there are tons of whiners that want their chosen class to instantly turn every other opponent to ash, but that facet means we're back to the gold::dross slash signal::noise thing. AO is pretty poorly balanced, as those things go, even from the most casual definition--more than likely because Funcom simply doesn't have a clue how to make these types of games. but hey, PCG gave 'em game of the year, so they're doing something right. i just wonder what that particular something is. I didn't like that they would assume you wanted to subscribe for the next month unless you cancelled before the week was up. provided their byzantine billing system even recognizes the cancellation request. which, in the past, it's failed to do. on the other hand, i did get two months of free play because they "forgot" to bill me. |
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Crash, what I mean is, I see two classic ways to balance things. Either zero sum balancing, or interlocking situational balancing. That is, either the differences between classes are a matter of stylistic/gameplaying preference, and pretty much everyone is roughly equal to everyone else, they just do it differently _or_, there are major, deadly differences between classes, differences that could get you killed if you even tried to take on Class A with Class B. But Class C utterly owns Class A. So you have to make the tough choice: Completely rule Class A and fear Class B. Or Completely rule Class C and fear class A. and then, you make clever choices in allies, so people can save each other's asses from thier nemesis. What I saw were tons of people outraged that someone could beat them, interspersed with tons of people outraged that evidently everyone could beat them, somehow. Someone has to be wrong, you see? Everyone can't be screwed over and sucky, and all the other guys' can't be overpowered and cheap. It just made me fear for the game environment. |
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Leslie You should forgive them. That's what Jesus would want you to do. Who would Jesus anthrax? Funk Carnivore and Echelon are watching you now. I'll let them know I'm on their side with a little Dead Kennedy's lyric. Ahem. "Kill kill kill kill kill the poor, kill kill kill kill kill the poor, tooooonight, alright!" Bless you, Jello Biafra. crash Go read the forums on player2player.net sometime on the AO thread. Hook. Line. Sinker. They've accepted PCG's vote of confidence as the gospel. These are the ex-Lummites who know every stupid and senseless thing Funcom did in the first six months, but hell, why should that stop them? PCG says "AO is A.O-K!" (striking Buddy Christ pose) |
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, I'm not really that compelled to see what happens next since the film is spread very thin over_TWO_MORE_MOVIES*. And it's painfully obvious that you haven't read the books, if you think the next two films will be "spread very thin." |
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