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Anarchy Online Best MMORPG of 2001?
February 12th 2002, 22:06 CET by Morn

Believe it or not, but good old Anarchy Online has been awarded Best MMORPG of 2001 by PC Gamer.

Hmm.

Ignoring the crash problems the game had in the first months after its launch, I can honestly say that I've had more fun with AO than I've had with DAoC. Yes, DAoC has been very stable, but it lacks something AO has. Maybe allowing me to be silly? Who knows.

Overall, I think MMORPGs aren't anywhere near where they could, or should be. Everquest, Asheron's Call, Dark Age of Camelot and Anarchy Online are all essentially the same game -- one of the reasons why I'm currently not subscribed to any of them. (The other is the little thing about having to play with other people. Oh, the horror.)

Anyway -- should a game that was shipped in a horrible, horrible state be awarded like this, no matter if it's the most fun? Doesn't that send the wrong message to developers and publishers alike? Discuss, people!
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#58 by "flamethrower"
2002-02-13 14:04:24
nopedope thnxbro
Did this specific story make it here yet?

This is the Microsoft XP licence.

GO TO page 6. Find INTERNET-BASED SERVICE COMPONENTS headline. Read it. You:

"...acknowledge and agree that Microsoft may automatically check the version of the Product and / or It's components that you are utilizing and may provide upgrades or fixes to the product that will be AUTOMATICALLY downloaded to your Workstation Computer".



IBSC, isn't that a bit like, oh I don't know, MAIL, or EXPLORER?

Doesn't this mean MS can thereafter scan your computer at-will and install any software they desire? And they're not required to inform you or anything? Just checking...
#59 by "GizmoChubs"
2002-02-13 14:53:57
gizmo@egizmokid.com
Hello,

I've been viiting this site for quite sometime, but never actually posted anything. Well, I guess its time to say something.

I've played AO and DaOC extensively, and in my opinion, DaOC is considerably better than AO. Now, I am not going to talk about stability here, because thats what we all know, inspite of all the patches etc etc, DaOC is still far more stable than AO.

Now, why is DAOC better than AO? Because, if you visit camelotherald.com often. you will see that Mythic is constantly adding new content in the form of new quests, new monster models, new spells, new sounds, new items and recently they even added a COMPLETE NEW EPIC ZONE. Moreover, according to what the Dev has said at camelotherald, they will continue to add new fresh content into the game at rgeular intervals. Shortly, they will also be adding a lowbie RvR zone and even a completely new PvP server. Improvements like these help keep a game rfresh and community alive. AO on the other hand, is STABLE, I mean.. things just happen.. things keep going on. I just find AO bland compared to DaOC. I mean, with DAOC , there is always something new to look forward to.
#60 by "Gunp01nt"
2002-02-13 14:57:08
supersimon33@hotmail.com http://planetp01nt.tmfweb.nl
flame:
Doesn't this mean MS can thereafter scan your computer at-will and install any software they desire? And they're not required to inform you or anything? Just checking...

Yes. But what else is new? Microsoft = Microsoft.
#61 by "flamethrower"
2002-02-13 15:05:50
nopedope thnxbro
Yes. But what else is new?


Gyroscooters that look like pogosticks.
#62 by "Gunp01nt"
2002-02-13 15:09:02
supersimon33@hotmail.com http://planetp01nt.tmfweb.nl
flamey:
Gyroscooters that look like pogosticks.

Really? wow... first time I've heard of it!
#63 by "Anonymous"
2002-02-13 15:29:24

#40 by Bailey

Too late, Eris. Too late by far.


Noooo... I still have more Warhammer 40k games to go before that happens!
#64 by "flamethrower"
2002-02-13 15:35:58
nopedope thnxbro
Really? wow... first time I've heard of it!


If that was intentionally funny, it was. If you don't know what I'm referring to, move right along.
#65 by "flamethrower"
2002-02-13 16:05:34
nopedope thnxbro
Word to the Irish among us, yur cops are as good as yur soldiers.
#66 by "JMCDaveL"
2002-02-13 16:12:03
rdl@muw.edu Closet Freak
Yes Flamey, it's called Windows Update. You can turn it off. THE HORROR!!!

Sorry Bailey, of course one could argue that one should do work at work :P

--jmc
#67 by "Eris"
2002-02-13 16:12:55
*sigh*. I need to get around to getting my A+ cert. I'm applying to the Dept of Transportation soon, and no matter how useless the cert is (and how much I can pass it with nooooo problems) it still looks good. I just can't justify paying what, 300$ for both tests.
#68 by "Eris"
2002-02-13 16:20:44
Cool. http://www.testvouchers.com/ has them for 25% off, if anyone else is on the low-end of the IT industry.
#69 by "deadlock"
2002-02-13 16:22:37
deadlock@eircom.net
flamethrower:
Word to the Irish among us, yur cops are as good as yur soldiers.

Shouldn't that be 'yur cops are as "good" as our cops. But they're still not as bad as our soldiers' ?

deadlock

bleh
#70 by "Bailey"
2002-02-13 17:01:35
www.ashrain.net
JMC

At this job, I'd go a little nutty without PC at my fingertips. But I was reading it at home, in any case. This shitty PC couldn't handle any page with sound or graphics anyway. Literally, it's an overclocked 486 dx or somesuch dinosaur.
#71 by "Darren Coleman"
2002-02-13 17:50:26
durzel@superficial.net http://www.superficial.net
Morn,

You should move #planetcrap to QuakeNet, the IRC network for today's gaming cognoscenti.  Not that I'm affiliated with it in any way at all mind.  No siree.
#72 by "Battle-Dwarf"
2002-02-13 17:57:56
Great GazooOO0ooO!! Where are you ?
re:  'Lord of the Rings'

I felt the first fifteen minutes of the film were phenominal. The rest of the content was true in the spirit of Tolkien.  However,

It ended just like...that. Strange.






The Male Battle-D
#73 by "Bailey"
2002-02-13 18:20:57
www.ashrain.net
Which is exactly how the first book ended, so it pretty much fit the bill.
#74 by "Battle-Dwarf"
2002-02-13 18:25:11
Great GazooOO0ooO!! Where are you ?
Quote:
[Which is exactly how the first book ended, so it pretty much fit the bill.]

Perhaps.
However, to the casual moviegoer (myself and someone else) the ending was (to put it nicely) 'anti-climatic'.



The Male Battle-D
#75 by "Gunp01nt"
2002-02-13 19:02:43
supersimon33@hotmail.com http://planetp01nt.tmfweb.nl
Battle Dwarf:
However, to the casual moviegoer (myself and someone else) the ending was (to put it nicely) 'anti-climatic'.

Heh, from what I heard the 'casual-moviegoer' didn't even understand a fuckin thing of the movie since the 'casual moviegoer' never read the book...
#76 by "Caryn Law"
2002-02-13 19:04:23
carynlaw@pacbell.net
#75 Gunp01nt

Heh, from what I heard the 'casual-moviegoer' didn't even understand a fuckin thing of the movie since the 'casual moviegoer' never read the book...


I never read the book(s) and I understood the movie just fine.
#77 by "Gunp01nt"
2002-02-13 19:12:12
supersimon33@hotmail.com http://planetp01nt.tmfweb.nl
caryn:
I never read the book(s) and I understood the movie just fine.

Then you're with the smart 5% that didn't read the book but understood the movie the first time they saw it.
#78 by "Bailey"
2002-02-13 19:13:53
www.ashrain.net
Considering there's little to no closure until half-way through the third book, there's not really much the director could do about that without rewriting the whole story. Sucks for the LCD as most didn't seem to understand there's going to be two more movies, but hey, whaddya do?
#79 by "Ergo"
2002-02-13 19:19:45
stuart_harms@mentor.com http://www.opencrap.org
#77 Gunp01nt
caryn:
I never read the book(s) and I understood the movie just fine.

Then you're with the smart 5% that didn't read the book but understood the movie the first time they saw it.


Whatever, man. I saw the movie with six other co-workers who never read the books who had no problems at all, and I'm not sure any of them CAN read. They're not exactly brain trusts.
#80 by "Caryn Law"
2002-02-13 19:22:18
carynlaw@pacbell.net
#79 Ergo
#77 Gunp01nt
caryn:
I never read the book(s) and I understood the movie just fine.

Then you're with the smart 5% that didn't read the book but understood the movie the first time they saw it.


Whatever, man. I saw the movie with six other co-workers who never read the books who had no problems at all, and I'm not sure any of them CAN read. They're not exactly brain trusts.


I know other people too who saw it and understood it, and even loved it. The wife of a friend of mine is totally NOT into fantasy, never read the books, and he said that even she loved the movie and understood what was going on.
#81 by "Bailey"
2002-02-13 19:28:57
www.ashrain.net
Wait a minute... someone who uses a handle involving the term "dwarf" who hasn't read Tolkien? That's just wrong. And probably hypocritical, but I'm not sure how.
#82 by "m0nty"
2002-02-13 19:38:27
m0nty_au@bigpond.com no fixed abode
I'm a bit worried that when the movie was called out at the Awards nominations, it was "Lord of the Rings", when the actual name of the film (and the first book) is The Fellowship of the Ring. Will The Two Towers be known as Lord of the Rings II?

/me shudders...
#83 by "JMCDaveL"
2002-02-13 19:48:41
rdl@muw.edu Closet Freak
I thought the movie ended as well as a the first chapter of a 3 volume set can, they have a major battle, Frodo sets on his journey, blah blah... works out good to me. Reminded me of Empire Strikes Back.
--jmc
#84 by "Ergo"
2002-02-13 19:51:36
stuart_harms@mentor.com http://www.opencrap.org
#83 JMCDaveL
I thought the movie ended as well as a the first chapter of a 3 volume set can, they have a major battle, Frodo sets on his journey, blah blah... works out good to me. Reminded me of Empire Strikes Back.
--jmc


Agreed. It cracks me up when people say "But it ended so abruptly!"
#85 by "Leslie Nassar"
2002-02-13 20:04:51
http://senator.you.are.no.johncarmack.com/
Yeah, those people are crazy!  Sure, the film went on and on about how the ring must be destroyed, then stopped before the task is complete without any explanation... but that's not abrupt, that's masterful storytelling!
#86 by "Bailey"
2002-02-13 20:08:59
www.ashrain.net
Hrm... wonder if I put a copy of The Two Towers on e-bay as a "finely bound, early working edition of the second LoTR script", would it sell?
#87 by "Post-It"
2002-02-13 20:13:33
- -
Bailey
Hrm... wonder if I put a copy of The Two Towers on e-bay as a "finely bound, early working edition of the second LoTR script", would it sell?


Like Hot & Fresh Krispy Kreme sex rings.
#88 by "Morn"
2002-02-13 20:13:34
hendrik@mans.de http://www.mans.de
Max kindly set up a new IRC server on his machine, irc.chromag.net. irc.planetcrap.com has been CNAME'd to it, so you can use that to connect, too. The channel is still #planetcrap. Enjoy. And thanks, Max. =)

- Morn
#89 by "Sgt Hulka"
2002-02-13 20:22:17
sgt_hulka@yahoo.com http://www.hulka.com
#86 Bailey
Hrm... wonder if I put a copy of The Two Towers on e-bay as a "finely bound, early working edition of the second LoTR script", would it sell?


Yes it would.

........I always give 110% +12
#90 by "Ergo"
2002-02-13 20:26:23
stuart_harms@mentor.com http://www.opencrap.org
#85 Leslie Nassar
Yeah, those people are crazy!  Sure, the film went on and on about how the ring must be destroyed, then stopped before the task is complete without any explanation... but that's not abrupt, that's masterful storytelling!


Excellent point! We should tell Jackson that since most people are dense, he should call the next movie Episode II so he doesn't confuse them!
#91 by "Bailey"
2002-02-13 20:35:13
www.ashrain.net
Hulka

Yes it would.

That's sad, but for... scientific study... I'm going to try it tonight anyway.
#92 by "deadlock"
2002-02-13 20:41:16
Leslie Nassar:
Yeah, those people are crazy! Sure, the film went on and on about how the ring must be destroyed, then stopped before the task is complete without any explanation... but that's not abrupt, that's masterful storytelling!

My sister went to it with her boyfriend last weekend and they were both bemused by the ending. She was like 'it was great until the end - when the film finished and they hadn't even destroyed the ring, it was just fucking pointless'. When I pointed out that it was the first part of a trilogy and there was probably five more hours of film to go before we see the ring actually destroyed, it dawned on her that there was a reson that it's called 'Lord of the Rings - Fellowship of the Ring'.

deadlock
#93 by "Bailey"
2002-02-13 20:51:49
www.ashrain.net
Just to get a little something off my chest here:

Fucking techs.

Nothing personal against any of those of you here who fall under the terminology, but the jackasses I bought my PC off of in July have forgotten all the assurances and promises they gave me at the time regarding upgrade-friendliness... i.e. discounting ram or processors if I brought the system back to them and ordered the parts through them. Now they tell me I "should be able to sell the old parts secondhand without much trouble".

I should've gotten it in writing, in retrospect, but the situation regarding the forming of their business (splitting off from an older company and leaving all the sleazy business types behind, in order to form a purely geek-run operation) I took them at their word as it all seemed so very earnest.

Sigh. I can't believe in anything anymore. Don't even get me started on the Santa Claus fiasco from last week.
#94 by "Sgt Hulka"
2002-02-13 21:00:44
sgt_hulka@yahoo.com http://www.hulka.com
#93 Bailey
Just to get a little something off my chest here:

Fucking techs.
Sigh. I can't believe in anything anymore. Don't even get me started on the Santa Claus fiasco from last week.


Don't feel alone Baileytron, I fell for the same scam a few years ago.  GET IT IN WRITING is the best advice.  In my experiences in life, most people will fuck you over for a buck.  Sad, but true.

........I always give 110% +12
#95 by "None-1a"
2002-02-13 21:05:44
http://www.opencrap.org
#94 Sgt Hulka
Don't feel alone Baileytron, I fell for the same scam a few years ago.  GET IT IN WRITING is the best advice.  In my experiences in life, most people will fuck you over for a buck.  Sad, but true.


And while your getting it in writing make sure it doesn't say "we have the right to revise this upgrade policy at any time" any where in it.
#96 by "Bailey"
2002-02-13 21:12:55
www.ashrain.net
So, can anyone recomment a good napalm solution? I'm thinking 2 parts gasoline to 1 part detergent, but it's been a good while since I was this much a dissatisfied customer, so I might be a bit off...
#97 by "Leslie Nassar"
2002-02-13 21:15:02
http://www.jesusforpresident.com/
You should forgive them.  That's what Jesus would want you to do.
#98 by "chris"
2002-02-13 21:25:40
cwb@shaithis.com http://www.shaithis.com
I think jesus should speak for himself

-chris
#99 by "LPMiller"
2002-02-13 21:29:01
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
#82 m0nty
I'm a bit worried that when the movie was called out at the Awards nominations, it was "Lord of the Rings", when the actual name of the film (and the first book) is The Fellowship of the Ring. Will The Two Towers be known as Lord of the Rings II?

/me shudders...


Explain why it would matter, as long as it continues to not suck.

Besides, it is going to be Lord of The Rings II, Electric Boogaloo, duh.
#100 by "Leslie Nassar"
2002-02-13 21:29:59
http://www.votejesus.com/
Look behind you.
#101 by "--!--"
2002-02-13 21:38:09
"So, can anyone recomment a good napalm solution? I'm thinking 2 parts gasoline to 1 part detergent, but it's been a good while since I was this much a dissatisfied customer, so I might be a bit off..."


No.


But, lots of styrofoam cups and some gasoline will turn into a napalm-like jelly. Takes maybe a few days, just put some gas in a bucket, add cups and ignore until it's Jello.
#102 by "Hugin"
2002-02-13 21:43:11
lmccain@nber.org
So, I went to the AO homepage and checked out the forums...is it me, or is basically every forum for that game composed of people complaining endlessly that thier class is unfairly underpowered compared to...something, if not everything else?  Sigh.  Game Balance: That state in which your character doesn't magically kick every other character's ass, no matter how agressively you misspell things.

I would have tried the one week trial as a Sci-fi game is more compelling to me than a fantasy one, but I didn't like that you couldn't try the demo week without putting in credit card info first, and I didn't like that they would assume you wanted to subscribe for the next month unless you cancelled before the week was up.  Jeez guys, it's a game that will theoretically ensnare me for the next several months or years of my life, give me a taste before you take my credit card info...and when my week is up, just deactivate me, don't try to sneak that next month in...
#103 by "FunkDrunk"
2002-02-13 21:46:53
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
Bailey

So, can anyone recomment a good napalm solution? I'm thinking 2 parts gasoline to 1 part detergent, but it's been a good while since I was this much a dissatisfied customer, so I might be a bit off...


Carnivore and Echelon are watching you now.

Beware.

Funk.
#104 by "Hugin"
2002-02-13 21:53:43
lmccain@nber.org
#103 by FunkDrunk

Carnivore and Echelon are watching you now.

Beware.

Funk.


Pfft.  Sedition, treason, assassinate the president, Taliban, napalm, briefcase nukes, anthrax, Osama's renting my attic room, decepticons, Candyman, Candyman, Candyman, Candyman, Candyman. Pfft.

I would hope our law enforcement authorities have something more important to do than investigate the 'Crap.
#105 by "m0nty"
2002-02-13 21:54:33
m0nty_au@bigpond.com no fixed abode
LPMiller (#99):
Explain why it would matter, as long as it continues to not suck.

Besides, it is going to be Lord of The Rings II, Electric Boogaloo, duh.

I love it when my reply is written for me in advance.
#106 by "FunkDrunk"
2002-02-13 21:59:49
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
Hugin

Candyman, Candyman, Candyman, Candyman, Candyman


But what does Derek Smart have to do with this?

Funk.
#107 by "Battle-D"
2002-02-13 22:01:47
Scooby-DoooOOoo00ooo---! Where are you?
I've seen a quite a few adaptations (comic book form, film, video games)  to understand where the source material is borrowed  from,  as I am sure many of you have.

Everyone I know who viewed the movie understood it (which isn't the issue).

I still feel the movie ended...just...like...that. Since I already know what the main characters task at hand is, I'm not really that compelled to see what happens next  since the film is spread very thin over_TWO_MORE_MOVIES*.  

---what is this?!   Back to the Future II/III






Quote:
[Someone who uses a handle involving the term "dwarf" who hasn't read Tolkien? That's just wrong. And probably hypocritical, but I'm not sure how.]

That's BATTLE-DWARFto you! I wouldn't read too much into it!  ;)



The Male Battle-Dwarf







*requiring two more ticket sales!
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