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July 14th 2001, 10:55 CEST by Morn <img src="/images/misc/gamespy_banner.jpg"> |
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The big ads don't load if you don't stay on the page long enough, which is easier said that done with a fast connection!! The ads in articles are worse, how many times can we look at Alone in the Dark adverts slap bang in the middle of a article?? |
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Milamber: Nope didn't get it. Just one of those weeny wireless cam adverts in another window. |
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Chet, #52: #51 ahahahahahahahaahaahaahaha gotta love a browser that doesn't work. Huh? The bit on that page is about a new feature being added (popup-allowing on a per-site basis), but don't let that spoil your fun. Mozilla's getting pretty good, so long as you're using a browser that just embeds the renderer so you don't need to deal with the silly XUL interface. |
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Flash doesn't tell you where a link goes, that is reason enough to nix it in the age of comp-u-geek. --jmc |
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Milamber (#60): On the topic of fruity ads, I was browsing this this deus ex 2 preview on IGN and about halfway through a huge fucking animated Planet of the Apes ad popped up over what I was trying to read, and flashed a bit, when I clicked close it just minimised and sat over where I wanted to read, I couldn't work out how to close it. I just refreshed the page and the ad didn't seem to appear. Do other people get it? Yeah, I got the same thing but for some other ad ... I was viewing the screenshots at the time. I had to go back to the previous site I was at and then reload the preview to get by it. Blokey (#61): The ads in articles are worse, how many times can we look at Alone in the Dark adverts slap bang in the middle of a article?? I really hate those. You're trying to read the article and all the while there's this thing in the middle of the text, flashing and bouncing around ... |
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crash, #44: i knew what i was getting into when i chose to purchase the game. i was and am an informed consumer, intimately familiar with this genre, these launches, and the amount of work and sweat it takes to get and keep these things running. Understood. I still find it odd that, as an informed individual, you would knowingly put yourself through so much frustration. :) that's what bothers me the most about it. it glosses over a number of serious, serious issues--game-breakers, show-stoppers, whatever--to paint a rosy picture of "what if"s and "what might be"s. i was under the impression that a review was an unjaundiced critique of a game's features, stability, playability, and overall fun. i guess, as usual, i was wrong. When the review rates a game with admitted showstopper bugs and severe framerate and lag problems as "good", the reviewer and, by extension, the site/magazine behind the review, have lost all credibility. But hey, it's the Internet, so it's no big whoop, right? Hooray Gamespot! |
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Anyone remember www.dailyradar.com? They kept having more and more advertisements. And then one day, they announced they were closing down. |
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Jaso (#67): Anyone remember www.dailyradar.com? They kept having more and more advertisements. And then one day, they announced they were closing down. Well, it seems like common sense to me that if something isn't working (i.e. advertisements), the answer isn't to do MORE of that thing but rather to find another way to make money. |
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Warren Marshall: This new gamespy thing is different, though. The biggest problem with net advertising is that most net users have become numbed to the banner ads. This annoying McDonald's ads are very obvious now, but don't be surprised if people just click around them too. The sites that will suceed are those which think 2 years ahead of the curve. Right now, these McDonald's ads are the curve, so what's going to happen 2 years from now? It has to be subscriptions. or intro advertisements(when you enter the site it shows some ad). If it's intro advertisements, those can pay quite well, i would imagine. But, if the economy continues to be amBushed, (which is better than Gored, but nevertheless), companies are not going to have the money to spend on advertising. People with less money are going to be less willing to subscribe. So most sites are going to go out of business. The ones that will survive will eventually do very well when the economy picks up once again. It's just the name of the game. The whole "free website" idea was great, but it's not a way to run a business. Anyone know how tv ads are doing these days? I've heard they are struggling too. - Paul |
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Creole Ned: Understood. I still find it odd that, as an informed individual, you would knowingly put yourself through so much frustration. :) "Welllll," he admitted shamefacedly, and a bit guiltily, "It really is that much fun to play, when it works. For me, anyway." lots of stuff to do, really involved character customization (both skills and appearance), easy, painless leveling--of the "big four", AO has by far the fastest, easiest leveling, and the advancement rate (so far) is fairly flat, not geometric like AC or EQ--so i can do what i want instead of mindlessly powerleveling, and the world is a pretty big place. since i'm an explorer, this appeals to me. and let's not forget the single-player missions. :) but if i were to review it on a 1-10 for public consumption, i wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror in the morning if i gave it higher than a 5. |
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Gestalt, 48: To be fair, the beta ran just fine on my old P3-600, 192Mb RAM, 32Mb GeForce 2 GTS, except in the crowded cities. Of course, things could have got worse since it launched to the public. to be fair, the beta ran fine on my machine as well. better, in fact, than it does now, even after almost 3 weeks of patches. in cities--crowded or not--my p3-933, 768mb RAM, Radeon 64DDR, optimized and tweaked, peaks at 10-15fps. given the way the game gives me info after i enter the city for the first time, the hitchiness and stutteriness, and the way you can't even improve the framerate if you look straight down, i've become convinced of a couple of things: 1. the architecture in cities, missions, and overland (outside cities) is comprised of mostly entities. 2. there is no LoD work being done, either client side or server side. if there is, it's not working very well. 3. there is no backplane culling or any sort of z- calculations being done. by this, i mean that every character in your zone is being drawn and rendered without checking to see if you can actually see it or not. these, of course, are just guesses based on performance and what i've seen of the game. but then, i have seen quite a few 3D maps and i kinda understand how they work, and i know what makes them slow, so i'm applying that info to this since even though the engines are different, the basic conceptual functionality is the same. :) |
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#69 The sites that will suceed are those which think 2 years ahead of the curve. Right now, these McDonald's ads are the curve, so what's going to happen 2 years from now? It has to be subscriptions. or intro advertisements(when you enter the site it shows some ad). We go through this with television and movies so why not the internet. When you type in www.planetcrap.com have it first take you to a 5-10 second sight that is just an advertisment for planetcrap t-shirts and then take you to the front page. |
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#69 "Paul" wrote... It's just the name of the game. The whole "free website" idea was great, but it's not a way to run a business. Anyone know how tv ads are doing these days? I've heard they are struggling too. If the TV thing is true the 'free website' idea is still a way to run a business. If advertising is down across the board the newest media is going to see the bigest thrashing untill it comes back up. #69 "Paul" wrote... If it's intro advertisements, those can pay quite well, i would imagine. But, if the economy continues to be amBushed, (which is better than Gored, but nevertheless), companies are not going to have the money to spend on advertising. Acctauly advertising usualy works inverse to the normal economy. When the economy drops people stop spending, you increse advertising to try and get them to spend more. The odd thing this time is that despite the fact that the 'experts' are saying the signs are pointing to a problem, people are still spending money (thus less reason to run new campains). |
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A site that makes me wait ala the Shareware Registration's of yore is a site I won't grace with a second visit. Those ads in the middle of the page? After awhile my mind mentally blocks them out just like regular banners. Go ahead, make them more annoying, make them dance and shake and take up my entire screen, I won't be back. Especially if they try to fill the entire screen or do away with the X button, I won't go there again, and neither will anyone in my circle of friends. Entire site in Flash? I won't miss you either. Required registration to get in, ala New York Times Online, sorry, you won't have my information to sell. So please, put up your giant ad banners, interstitials, and monkey punching, cause I know I could stand to whittle a few sites down from my daily browsing. Give me content worth paying for, like Lum's, or Something Awful, or even this site, and you'll have my dollar. --jmc ~you think you're evil but you're not still sucking life from the mainstream~ |
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#69 "Paul" wrote... if the economy continues to be amBushed, (which is better than Gored, but nevertheless) Bush has not effected our economy in any real way, and even Clinton's effect wasn't too significant. Greenspan and the National Reserve are more important but they still get their marching orders from indicators. Politicians take credit for the economy, but with a few exceptions the economy is affected mainly by private sector events (i.e. venture capitalists losing a lot of money and suddenly getting gunshy recently, followed by a bullish stock market). This is why the government had such trouble getting the US out of the depression, depsite FDR's unprecedented level of government involvement, until World War II got everything going again. It's not easy to imagine either Bush or Gore being able to really do much to the economy in the current political climate. Maybe if Gore pushed the Kyoto treaty through the Senate he could manage to wreck the economy, but otherwise the government just moves too slowly. Anyone know how tv ads are doing these days? I've heard they are struggling too. Not so hot. All regions of the advertising sector are down, because the economy is down. Things were gangbusters before the "dot com crash" that everyone loves talking about. Since then, the Internet sector (what's left of it) went from being one of the biggest consumers of advertising space to for all intents and purposes nothing, and with the declining economy there isn't anyone else with a lot of extra cash to spend. TV networks are having a harder time selling their ads, but unlike Internet sites and (most) magazines, their problems are compounded by the fact that they are steadily losing viewers as the inexorable fragmentation of TV viewing continues. However, TV networks can deal with lean times a lot better than magazines, newspapers, and Internet sites. |
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The real question in my mind is how much did it cost for the X10 people to buy the Internet? |
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#76: Ask the 1000000 people who bought the cam to spy on their wives. And now for something completely different! INFOGRAMES ROCKS MY WORLD! Please, if there is any justice in the world, please make a video of this song with ClifferyB dancing with his big medallion. I beg of you. EpicBoy, make it so. --jmc |
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None-1a: That's interesting that ads do better in down falls, but I assume that's short term down falls. Talion: With how our government officials work nowadays, you are right, the economy isn't closely affected by our president or congress in the short term. But, policies, like welfare reform, can make gigantic differences now, and in the long term. Alan Greenspan of course is the one who guards the lion's gate. But, if he did his job more successfully(that is get the hell out of the economy, and stop trying to prevent a recession by raising interest rates because of foreign threats) we would have much better long term success. In the short term we may be a little worse off, but over time we would be in better hands. He should take small steps to decrease inflation possibilities. But, inflation is higher in the long term whenever the government steps in. The reason Bush is less evil than Gore is that Bush doesn't completely feel the government should control everything. But, he is ambushing us by allowing government to still grow slightly over inflation. I am extremely disapointed he didn't work for a much larger tax cut. And he's so innate in his speaking ability, he can't convince the american public a larger tax cut is in our best interests. - Paul |
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In #57, clambert stated: was thinking...it'd be technologically possible to determine which viewers were using ad blocker software. If they are, stick a session cookie on them, make pages load at half speed (stick a sleep(2) at the bottom) and then replace the ad banner with text that explains what's going on. That's probably technically possible, although I could see it being a big pain in the butt to implement. Uniquely identifying users is hard - IP won't work, because of Name Address Translation issues [AOL users would show up on only a handful of IP addresses (relative to their actual number), to give you an idea. If people don't have session cookies enabled, you may not be able to identify users that way. You also add a layer of complexity to what is arguably your most mission-critical system - displaying adverts, since that's about the only thing for which you are paid; this is especially true if you host your banners on a different box to your content - you have to worry about integrating the two]. Finally, adding a sleep() call to a webserver thread is likely to really cut down on server efficiency overall because that thread couldn't be culled/reused, and most webservers have a [relatively low] maximum thread pool size. Then again, I've seen some ad proxies that actually send requests for ad images, and perform substitution based upon image size [banners are pretty predictable in this respect]. These are the evil ones, since they use the advertiser's bandwidth without actually displaying the ad.... and a system such as you described would make this variety more popular! |
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Talion: I don't know, but i've considered buying the package a few times to put outside my front door and all over my apartment just for fun. But i'm into tech things like that. - Paul |
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#78 "Paul" said: The reason Bush is less evil than Gore is that Bush doesn't completely feel the government should control everything. But, he is ambushing us by allowing government to still grow slightly over inflation. I am extremely disapointed he didn't work for a much larger tax cut. And he's so innate in his speaking ability, he can't convince the american public a larger tax cut is in our best interests. You have half right about Bush not wanting government to control everything. Ladies and Gentlement, lets get something straight: conservatives believe in laissez faire hands off in terms of economics, but for social issues its just the opposite. Liberals belive in increased economic control by federal government, but hands off socially. And regarding the tax cut, its not necesarily due to his speech impediments that it was not larger, but that the Senate and House was becoming increasingly liberal and his intended tax cut was reduced 25% for that reason. |
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Joker - you think your "Pedophiliac Philosopher" tag is funny? Do you know that a large portion of my job is trying to fix the carnage that results from sexually abused children? If you spent one day with the things I hear and see, you'd no longer mock the sick idea. Just some food for thought, funny man. |
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The reason Bush is less evil than Gore is that Bush doesn't completely feel the government should control everything Yeah, he thinks corporations should control everything instead. At least the government is somewhat accountable for its actions. |
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Dingle, whats a matter, were you sexually abused as a small child? ;) Lighten up, we all know you are a prick, but even a prick can laugh at times? The world is too oversensitive. --jmc ~kikeniggerspicwophonkey~ |
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Todd G.: OH I completely agree. Bush loves to be your bedroom more than you do(and not in the Clinton way). There are very few republicans left who believe personal choices are ideal. Instead we have become this "idealistic" society who believes we all know what's best for everyone else. Condit certainly did when he screwed the interns. But of course, he wanted to put the 10 commandments into our schools. Last time I checked, the commandments didn't encourage having sex with another while married It's not that I'm against it, but I'm against someone telling me how to live, and then breaking his or her own rules. At least with people like Hatch, he follows his morals. Hatch wrong to impose, but he at least follows his preaching. But the American people put up with this pathetic attempt at governing. And until the American people get pissed enough, we will be forced to tolerate this crap. szcx: Why are corporations so evil? They provide tons of people of jobs, pay a ton in taxes, and are accountable for their actions. Our government provides tons of jobs, pays no taxes, and is rarely accountable for their actions. Sure sometimes they go to far in trying to gain profits. But that's why we have courts. You can only sue a state if the state essentially let's you. And with how government agencies are set up, they have nearly no accountability. - Paul |
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#78 "Paul" wrote... That's interesting that ads do better in down falls, but I assume that's short term down falls. Depends on what the companies are expecting mostly. Usualy a sort term thing will have companies jumping to run new ads to help get over it, with a long term down fall their more likly to hold off and cut the budget for a while untill they appsolutly have to get more buinsess in. In the end tho they usualy end up running heavy with ads at some point, makes since as they do get more people in the just going with the flow no matter what's happening. That's why the new guy is geting beat up worse then other forms, thanks to the screwy marketing that was going on online over the past few years (which wasn't effective, making the whole idea look non-effective). #78 "Paul" wrote... I am extremely disapointed he didn't work for a much larger tax cut. And he's so innate in his speaking ability, he can't convince the american public a larger tax cut is in our best interests. I don't think he could have worked out a larger cut. The money really isn't there for even what he did manage (the the clinton era bugets that showed the surplus where all created with the assumption that spending would decrese, even tho it in fact didn't the budget still went down as if it had been). |
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That's just it, JMC: I'd laugh if it were funny. Let me tell you something about the teens I worked with during the summer, then tell me it's funny: 1)One teen was sodomized four times then tied to a water-well rope and hung there for a half-hour. His father then untied him, raped him again, and tied him to the back of an old bus for two days. 2)One teen was raped on a regular basis between the ages of 3 and ten - by the stepfather. He just came into lockdown for stabbing his brother. He's been thrown out of every high school he attended. 3)Another teen was molested several times by an elementary teacher. He's now sixteen and sodomized his baby brother. I could go on and on. Like the character in a Dickens novel, you're ignorant of "need and hunger." You're nothing: and I'd rather be a prick five times over than live with the mindset that could plug that type of response. |
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#54 by Martin Yeah, god forbid that the web content evolves beyond HTML 1.0! Down with CSS! Down with Javascript! Down with any other color than gray, black, blue and purple!! me because Java, flash movies, background music, and layers are a blight on good HTML. You'll notice that I never included JavaScript or CSS in my tirade against gay web design. JavaScript is very useful for graphic hacks and form validation, and CSS makes coloring and typesetting web pages trivially easy. What I did say, however, is that Java is the satan-spawn of Sun Microsystems. I have nothing against it's use other than the fact that it is a shitty, bloated language and deserves to be shot into space along with everything else produced by Sun. I also said that I despise layers. They are frequently abused by Frontpage ninnies who are too dull to comprehend the proper use of tables. And finally, I included background music because it is the hallmark of someone who should, in a perfect society, be prohibited from ever owning a byte of space on a machine running a web server. I urge you to read more closely into things said by people that you yourself have quoted. I admit I may have been a little vague, and in the future will be more detailed in my tirades. |
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Re: #79 No need to worry about your ad blocker being blocked, at least, in Windows. Just open up C:\WINDOWS\HOSTS, add "127.0.0.1 ads.x10.com" and so forth (e.g. ads.gamespy.com, ad.doubleclick.net, etc.), and you'll end up with a "page not found" the size of the ad. Still saves some of your time and bandwidth, and stops you from seeing some ads. |
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Yes - must block ads - must bitch more when sites need to do more for revenue - all sites suck - they should be run for free. yes. Killer logic for the stupid. Dinglehoffen Lighten up. Everyone has something in their life that is unfunny to them. You are not some hero because you have one - everyone does. But if everyone went around demanding people not cross that line all the web would be one big white page, and then someone would bitch about no black pages - THEN WHERE WOULD BE? |
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We - we We We WE - where would we be? Why did I not use the preview? |
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First of all, yes I am a hero for the work that I do and the position I take on the subject. Second, I demanded nothing. I merely stated that it was not funny. Third, if everyone went around on the net in some watered-down, dishrag neutrality, then WHERE WOULD WE BE? If a person can advertise himself as a pedophiliac and laugh - in other words, if a person can advertise their lack of a "moral line" - then why can't one advertise their presence of one without you getting upset? Is it because you're so immersed in the lack of value that you no longer recognize or appreciate it in yourself? Taking a stand on against pedophilia upset you; why didn't the former upset you, eh? Sad. |
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Sczx, That ad is a fucking classic! Bwahahahahaha The Hulkathon Rocked today. I've got some shots of Bruce Campbell playing PainKeep Arena! I'll post them when I get them developed. |
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First of all, yes I am a hero for the work that I do and the position I take on the subject. Aren't we the humble one. Your self-promotion is rather disturbing, it is people like you that make people like me disgusted, you twist what I and others say into what you want to present as evidence against our character. Not once, did anyone say that child molestation is a good thing, in fact pedophilia is a bit more general than just child molestation, right now, at the ripe old age of 20, I could go to jail for having consensual sex with a 17 year old in some states, I would technically, be a pedophile. For 10 years I lived with my parents while they worked in group homes for the mentally retarded, I probably know more about MR than anyone on this forum, but I still say "retard" as slang a lot. Hell, retards call each other retard. Just ask Chet! :P Although I have sympathy for those who work with MR people now, I don't get all high and mighty when someone generates a stereotypical Down's syndrome image of a drooling, incapable, waste of a person as a putdown on someone. If you truly feel that you know a great deal more about pedophilia than we do, then grin and bear it, and feel content in knowing that most of us won't have to bear the discomfort that you see. If we all just sit and cry about the worlds problems then we will never get anywhere. I have close friends who were molested as children, but I still snicker at the occasional "Chester the Molester" joke, you know why? Because the world's a pretty fucking cruel place, and sometimes laughter makes it livable. Go ahead and pick apart my post, piece by piece, take things out of context if you will, have fun; after all, we are all entertainers at heart. --jmc ~Now is the time/ Get on the right side~ |
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I hereby proclaim this message board closed. And don't bother responding. After all, no matter what you say, it's going to offend someone, somewhere, and that's just a big naughty no-no. -Whisp |
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TheToadWarrior #15: Ads are getting gayer and gayer. I'll never click on one of the new ones. Supporting them is like supporting ball cancer. Please support ball cancer, my testicles beg you. |
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"For 10 years I lived with my parents while they worked in group homes for the mentally retarded, I probably know more about MR than anyone on this forum, but I still say "retard" as slang a lot. Hell, retards call each other retard. Just ask Chet! :P Although I have sympathy for those who work with MR people now, I don't get all high and mighty when someone generates a stereotypical Down's syndrome image of a drooling, incapable, waste of a person as a putdown on someone." Aren't we the humble one. Your self-aggrandization is rather disturbing. It's people like you who, under the guise of good humor, must write long treatises on how you "really don't live up" to anything you say, and use rationalization as justification for your light-hearted abuse taunts. And we're certainly all not entertainers at heart; I doubt the Jews felt entertained as they watched their children walk into the showers. Neither do innocent children feel entertained as their own father bends them over their beds next to their Mickey Mouse nightlight and fuck them up the ass. " If we all just sit and cry about the worlds problems then we will never get anywhere." No, just the opposite. Stating an opinion isn't "crying" about anything; having a moral discussion isn't "crying" either. Maybe the company you keep lack the ethical perspective to see that, and you've sunk into the miasma like a stack of bricks in hot shit? |
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Much like when your younger brother used to pester you, if you leave him alone he will go away. Zoo patrons, please don't feed the troll. |
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Witt, if the dilemma is so far over your head, it's better to remain quiet than label depth as something trivial. |
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You're mistaken Witt. Planetcrap is about smothering the trolls in, well, shit. :) Choke on your self-rightesousness dinglehoffen. |
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"Choke on your self-rightesousness dinglehoffen." Oh the wit. Oh the heights of the most Karmic thoughts. Oh the gift of intellect! What bountiful gems of wisdom usher forth from the imaginative realm of the human mind. What glory, what splendor! If I were to live a thousand years, never would I behold such verbal dexterity, nor loftiness of thought. Pffft. |
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#82 "Dinglehoffen" wrote... Do you know that a large portion of my job is trying to fix the carnage that results from sexually abused children? What is your job? |
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1)One teen was sodomized four times then tied to a water-well rope and hung there for a half-hour. His father then untied him, raped him again, and tied him to the back of an old bus for two days. That father deserves to be tortured, slowly and painfully, his balls cut off, and his head bashed in with a pipe wrench. Cocksuckers like that deserve death. No jury, no judge, just a summary execution. |
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#103 "Glock" wrote... Cocksuckers like that deserve death. No jury, no judge, just a summary execution. Provided of course that it's all true. Oh wait, we need a jury, and a judge to make that call. Ooops. |
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The father killed the mother and is in jail. The molestation was completely undershadowed. The neighbors witnessed many other acts that I won't even mention but they were afraid to call the police for fear of their lives. I'll leave the discussion here. I've made my point. Pedophilia is one - if not THE most - of the most life-ruining, hate-engendering crimes on this planet. It's not a "funny tag". That's all. |
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#87 Dinglehoffen wrote... I could go on and on. Like the character in a Dickens novel, you're ignorant of "need and hunger." You're nothing: and I'd rather be a prick five times over than live with the mindset that could plug that type of response. 1. #479 Graeme Devine to save AO... I also read the Warren Marshall interview at the other gaming site, and the whole thing could be narrowed down to this: 1)I'm Warren Marshall. Wheel of Time rocked. But it flopped because of the most pathetic spell interface ever conceived in the game genre. 2)I do design stuff for Epic. We're making some dopey Uneal Warfare mod that'll most likely die as quickly as WoT, but that's a secret. 3)All my ideas that are flops come out of my imagination. 2. #480 Graeme Devine to save AO... Ya know, where's Andy? Why would the "substitute" or whomever is running this site continaully spam it with stupid AO shit that no one cares about? 3. #539 Graeme Devine to save AO... Man, and I thought my nip-and-tuck posts were lame. I never realized until now how utterly pathetic flamethrower is. Poor dude's trashy life must be irredeemable. Suggestion: get rid of your computer for one month. Watch what happens. 4. #550 Graeme Devine to save AO... I come here and post just to goof off. Now and again, when I have time to waste, I enjoy just posting penny-ante stuff just for the sake of entertainment. But when I see how much time and effort you guys invest into typing gobbledygook about the most ridiculous topics - topics that don't go anywhere, but disappear into the nothingness of the archives - I'm blown away at how you can justify your lack of productivity! Don't you guys have jobs? 5. #55 C-Shirts coming soon! Oh, how wonderful. How original. How thought-provoking. A T-shirt that says "Planet CRAP". You'll be the talk of the town; you'll fit right in; your mother will hug you; your friends will be jealous; your children will look up to you as a fine example of taste and quality. By all means, get 'em while they're hot. |
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#105 "Dinglehoffen" wrote... The father killed the mother and is in jail. The molestation was completely undershadowed. The neighbors witnessed many other acts that I won't even mention but they were afraid to call the police for fear of their lives. I'll leave the discussion here. I've made my point. Pedophilia is one - if not THE most - of the most life-ruining, hate-engendering crimes on this planet. It's not a "funny tag". That's all. Not to split hairs too much here, but I'm thinking the crime you really hate, specifically, is incest. Pedophilia to me, is a legal term which has changed over the years, and varies by country. |
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You left many out. I post nothing but gobbledygood here, but pedophilia isn't something I consider humorous. So...what's your point? |
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"Not to split hairs too much here, but I'm thinking the crime you really hate, specifically, is incest. Pedophilia to me, is a legal term which has changed over the years, and varies by country." I understand the difference between incest and pedophilia. Read the other two cases I listed. I'm sorry but I couldn't resist the response. |
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Dinglehoffen (#101): "Choke on your self-rightesousness dinglehoffen." Oh the wit. Oh the heights of the most Karmic thoughts. Oh the gift of intellect! What bountiful gems of wisdom usher forth from the imaginative realm of the human mind. What glory, what splendor! If I were to live a thousand years, never would I behold such verbal dexterity, nor loftiness of thought. Pffft. Were you abused as a child or something? Whisp (#106): *applause* |
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