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Please stop it, my head is hurting!
July 4th 2001, 00:47 CEST by Morn <table align="right" border="0" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="0" width="199"><tr><td><img src="/images/misc/shaminos_friend.jpg" width="197" height="213" border="1"></td></tr><tr><td align="center" class="imagetext">We love this guy! If he only wasn't so horribly evil...</td></tr></table>Three of you emailed me little stories about a well-known (not for quality, although it's not as much of a waste of time as this place here) gaming news & commentary site which isn't going to get any further free Sierra games anymore because its virtuous Editor In Chief did something that's not really much worse than any of the other crap he's been doing for a while now. No, I'm not going to post any of them. Just ignore the idiot. He's just a poor, lonely American. You should be glad he doesn't walk around shooting people between the eyes. One of you even wrote: "Personally, I think [the site] should be put out of business." You fool. Do you think you're any better than him when you say something like that? From the AO department: people are now <a href="http://community.mystics.de/board/view/?C=1&B=1&E=0&L=994151408&P=0&O=0&M=994196960-19164">complaining</a> about not being able to find their friends (who they just started to play with) in the "newbie zone". If you know AO, you'll at least giggle now. I did my taxes today. I hate the world. |
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What, no mention of the word "fagot" in the subject line?!? |
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#11 Ryslin: could we talk about something else... diablo 2 exp? Is it any good? I've surprised myself by digging out Diablo 2 and playing mroe recently. Mostly because I was curious what the recent patches did. Wasn't too thrilled when I found out my spearazon was nerfed but I'll live. |
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#14 "crash" wrote... anyone done a tracert on it yet? Someone please say where to ping to.? #8 "Jafd2k" wrote... I don't understand any of this. Oh, okay, I do now, duhhhh. You know I think I really am about to grow into the old cliche, that perhaps I am getting to be smart enough to know just how dumb I really am. "As the sphere of knowledge grows, the surface area of ignorance gets bigger. There's no way around that." Seems like a simple straw and a big enough camel. That mouthy ghit has been playing off the line for his own gain for so long, this time he stepped too far, and now he's getting it back. Who's going to carry a torch for him? All ten of the bots he programs to fluff his forums? ================ I am a prototype for a much bigger idiot. |
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Who's this Editor and Chief you're talking about? My brain is broke tonight. :( |
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ToadWarrior: EvilAvatar.com, ran by Philip "Evil Avatar" Hansen. Morn, PLEASE post an article about it! Damnit, I need to bitch about Evil somewhere other than his boards. :P |
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Or you could just not bitch about him, since all he is is some guy who runs a website, and whose thoughts, actions and opinions matter no more than anyone else's in the grand scheme of things. ie: squat. -shai |
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#24 "shaithis" wrote... Or you could just not bitch about him, since all he is is some guy who runs a website, and whose thoughts, actions and opinions matter no more than anyone else's in the grand scheme of things. ie: squat. -shai If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd have to question, the subtle support being shown here, and where it's comming from since EA has recently started promoting gamespy products for a few days a week on the front of his page, while at the same time sending UGO packing, but I'm not into that sort of thing, so I won't even say it. Even if it were true, there's nothing wrong with that. :) |
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Jafd2k, 21: Someone please say where to ping to.? here's from my hosts file, taken from numerous places on the AO boards: 216.74.158.11 lh.d1.funcom.com 216.74.158.23 download.anarchy-online.com 216.74.158.24 downloads.anarchy-online.com 216.74.158.11 dimensions.anarchy-online.com lh.d1/dimensions is your inbound door. download and downloads are self explanatory. alternately, you could be lazy and get AOTron, a handy little TSR that polls like that UO util used to, or bookmark this page, which does pretty much the same thing. |
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shaithis, 24: Or you could just not bitch about him, since all he is is some guy who runs a website, and whose thoughts, actions and opinions matter no more than anyone else's in the grand scheme of things. ie: squat. so if no one else's opinions mean squat, bitching about it won't harm anything, will it? won't matter, right? i mean, in the grand scheme of things. just wanted to clarify. :-p |
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BarneyQue - If I thought you were a conspiracy theorist I'd have to point out that I despise Avatar's site, always have, and am glad to see him getting what he very definitely deserves. I'd also point out that there are several people here who'll vouch for the fact that who I work for doesn't influence my personal opinions, and that in issues that I feel are a conflict of interest, I'd prefer to say nothing at all than to get involved in the discussion. But I don't... so I won't even say it. ;) -shai |
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crash - It's one thing to do stories about a company. Funcom, GameSpy... go nuts. It's another thing entirely to run an article that is, essentially, laughing at some guy's failings. It'd be like running an article (circa last year) with the title: "Ha Ha Apache! Way to piss of 3DR, Jackass!" You're free to think what you want, but begging Morn to post an article "so I can bitch about him someplace other than his forums" seemed tacky to me. -shai |
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piss <i>off</i>. ...and the capitalization in that article is wacked. :P -shai |
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Thinking... |
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Quietly Weeping... |
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That shaithis guy always was a spammer! |
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That shaithis guy always was a real spammer. |
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#28 "shaithis" wrote... BarneyQue - If I thought you were a conspiracy theorist I'd have to point out that I despise Avatar's site, always have, and am glad to see him getting what he very definitely deserves. I'd also point out that there are several people here who'll vouch for the fact that who I work for doesn't influence my personal opinions, and that in issues that I feel are a conflict of interest, I'd prefer to say nothing at all than to get involved in the discussion. But I don't... so I won't even say it. ;) -shai All things considered then, it's just as well that I did not say anything then. I don't really know you so I'll take your word for it, and Evil certainly would not buy me a beer if we met up in a bar, he's tossed me more than once from his site as it is, so I'd hate to start any trouble. Overall, I don't think he said what people are claiming he said. And of course, I've said nothing so far. :) |
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shaithis: You're free to think what you want, but begging Morn to post an article "so I can bitch about him someplace other than his forums" seemed tacky to me. woo you take this stuff too seriously man. was just yankin your chain. :) but this: Quietly Weeping... ...was a classic. wish we still had quote of the nanosecond. that would rule. |
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For those who still don't know what Morn's talking about, here's a link. Just another example of how immature sections of the industry are: specifically the psycho fanzine element and (more surprisingly) the PR departments of major publishers. The holes both Evil Avatar and Adam Kahn are digging are so deep that they should rename the thread "Journey to the Centre of the Earth". On a broader question, why is it that the amateur site operators seem to have not had their nappies changed for weeks, and are reduced to waggling their baby rattles at each other and squalling even more than normal? My money is on fiscal nervousness, after the rash of site closures. Those flashing UGO non-banners are giving everyone the heebie-jeebies. We have been told they're the result of broken scripts, but they may actually be subtle yet desperate calls-to-action to find anyone with a marketing budget to "CONTACT UGO IMMEDIATELY!" |
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From EA article/rant thingy I'm not the one who pirated the game, I just suggested that it might not be such a bad thing for word to get out ahead of time about a bad game. I try to put the consumer needs above that of the publisher - which I guess isn't allowed. Wait I thought that was what a review was supposted to tell me. #37 "m0nty" wrote... On a broader question, why is it that the amateur site operators seem to have not had their nappies changed for weeks, and are reduced to waggling their baby rattles at each other and squalling even more than normal? My money is on fiscal nervousness, after the rash of site closures. It'd say it just from having to many sites covering the same material in the exact same way. Sure when the ad dollors where good the site could have a happy go lucky attitude toward each other now that the money isn't around it's an all out rivaly for those ad dollors. This isn't really a bad thing since the stronger sites will stick to their guns and stay around and make out quite good when/if things turn around. In the mean time expect the crap to continue and ignore it (well for the most part we could get some good topics out of this). |
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There's no doubt that Piracy is good for the average ethicless gamer assuming that most people pirate. There are two arguments here: 1) It's stealing, it's wrong, don't do it. 2) If no one pirated, games would be much cheaper. I won't take on the first argument. But the second is what I have always liked to focus on. I've heard estimates that computer games typically cost between 1.5 and 2x as much due to the lack of revenue from pirating. If this was the case, let's assume the average game could be $25 or $20 on sale as opposed to $50 or $35 on sale. $20 for a poor game is a lot better than $35 for a poor game. But, should we believe that companies would actually charge these lesser rates if pirating didn't exist? Probably not. So in short, pirating can be effectively used provided you don't mind stealing from other people. On the other hand, how many of you who pirate would walk into a store and steal the same game off the shelf? Does the assumption that you have a much higher chance of getting caught when you steal in the store affect your decision to pirate, but not shoplift? - Paul |
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#39 "Paul" wrote... $20 for a poor game is a lot better than $35 for a poor game. But, should we believe that companies would actually charge these lesser rates if pirating didn't exist? Probably not. So in short, pirating can be effectively used provided you don't mind stealing from other people. The problem here is exactly how much of the game do you really need to play before finding out it's a bad game. 10, 40, 80 100% of the game? Most people would be less willing to fork over the $35 for a game if they've already finished it (considering replay value isn't to high in many games), but in order to know if there isn't a show stoper on the last level you really do need to play all of the game. Also even if the prices didn't fall there'd still be benifets to lower piracy rates. Higher profits mean publishers could hold releases longer for more testing, you also see more publishers willing to take chances on unknowns or inovative games. |
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m0nty, 37: For those who still don't know what Morn's talking about, here's a link. thanks. now i see what all the fuss is about. looking at it from an "i don't really care" standpoint--because, y'know, i don't really care--it's one of two reasons. or both; why be choosy? 1. EA can't write for shit. 2. He's advocating piracy in a really clumsy, stupid way. either way, it doesn't matter. Sierra yanks him off the distro list. that's their prerogative. remember, kiddies, "being a media writer" != "w00p i don't have to shop at EBX any more". well, okay, it shouldn't. hell, i think i bought more games while i worked at gamecenter than i did when i didn't. being a gaming journalist isn't a ticket to the Free Boxed Product buffet, like way, way too many folks "in the industry" seem to think it is. but that's a whole 'nother thread, believe me. On a broader question, why is it that the amateur site operators seem to have not had their nappies changed for weeks, and are reduced to waggling their baby rattles at each other and squalling even more than normal? because, objectively speaking, there is really very little that differentiates one from another in a real, objective, value-added kind of way. (it certainly isn't the quality of the editorial, but, again, that's a whole 'nother thread.) think of all the gaming content sites you go to each day (or check your bookmarks). now, if you had to pick one, which one would it be? the fact that you can pick one is why. doesn't matter which one it is, but it's hectic because all these sites know this as well as you do. and they're all trying to be that one. None-1a, 38: Wait I thought that was what a review was supposted to tell me. good reviews do tell you that. |
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None-1a: That's true. Companies may be more willing to hold off game releases if revenues were better. But, then again, if customers don't complain enough about all these patches, I can't imagine there will be much of a change. I'm not sure if there are any real solutions to pirating. If someone had one, they would be an instant millionare. - Paul |
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I agree with shaitis here . I know this is PlanetCrap and all but why the need to rag on the guy. I've only been to EA's site a couple of times and have no real opinion on him so I actually don't care, I just find it strange that anyone wants to spend time and energy dissin' the dude. If you want to dis someone who is more likely to deserve dissin' try out Slobodan Milosevic. He says that the Hague tribunal is "an illegal organ" and that he has no need to defend himself because no matter what they say it's all illegal. More here. He refuses to cooperate and accept any legal help (although he might have changed his mind now, not sure). Or perhaps it's the Hague tribunal that needs a dissin'? Are they doing NATO's dirty work as Milosevic says? |
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I got banned from posting to the EA forums (true story). |
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#43 "Martin" wrote... I know this is PlanetCrap and all but why the need to rag on the guy. It's not really a desire to rag on the guy directly, it's just that he tends to take every thing that's currently wrong with internet game media and multipliys it 100 times. Any topic involving this would have quickly went into what's wrong with that media, piracy, or banner fall out (look all of those have started already). #42 "Paul" wrote... That's true. Companies may be more willing to hold off game releases if revenues were better. But, then again, if customers don't complain enough about all these patches, I can't imagine there will be much of a change. I don't know it's hard to tell what the suits making those desisions would do considering the only info we have comes from the PR guys in why piracy is bad releases. It'd be inetresting to see a direct polls of them about where they'd rank what route they'd like to see the company make if casual piracy suddenly stoped and profit margins shot up(your know 1-5 for each on if they'd want lower price, longer testing cycles, or taking on more risky games/developers). Considering what it'd require to do that I'm not exactly going to start holding my breath waiting for it. I'm not sure if there are any real solutions to pirating. If someone had one, they would be an instant millionare. Well you can almost totaly ignore the hardcore pirates since it's not like any thing you'd try would have any effect there. The best focus would probably be to try to curb what they're doing filtering down into the casual area. People wouldn't like it since that'd mean coming down on the one stop crack sites. |
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Drug news. Ten years ago Sir Keith Morris, the British ambassador to Colombia, was a firm believer in the war on drugs being waged by the US with the support of Europe against the drug barons of Latin America. Ten years on he has concluded the war, which still continues, "is unwinnable, costly and counter-productive". The Guardian's editorial on the above. |
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Obviously Evil Avatar is correct in saying that gamers are better off knowing what not to buy, regardless of how he came by knowledge of a particular game. God knows, they won't find out by reading Game Spy or any of the other pr tripe that passes for journalism in the gaming media. His remark, in fact, is a classic faux pas; it's not that he said something false or incorrect, just the opposite. The response of the game publisher is akin to a petulant advertiser pulling an ad from a newspaper that has had the temerity to bite the hand that feeds it. And the response of moralizing critics is terribly amusing -- one wonders how many of them intend to buy the game now that they've heard it's widely considered a stinker. Chop chop, all the rest of you sanctimonious game sites. Time to get some sycophantic Sierra coverage out on the double, before your feedbag is yanked, too! |
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Got to love this: In the UK its about 37% of all games related software is pirated..... & the age old rhetoric about those same pirates affecting the R&D side of gaming development is crap! Things are changing. No longer will piracy be so hard. In fact most of us know its very very easy. FadeŽ didnt work nor does digital signing. They gotta accept that the pirates are one step ahead. Besides freedom of speech/choice/expression are paramount to any democratic society. Hehe. Long live those that do that sort of thing. That was from my ISP's newsgroups. |
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It's almost impossible to buy the complete Total Annihilation these days. To play the game, you need the CD in. Putting the CD in makes it wear out. The game I bought, and still want to play, I cannot. I paid for that game, it's being played online now and I can't join. And what do game developers reckon? Tough fucking luck, buy another game instead, cunt. Well tough fucking luck to you instead. Fuck copy protection. From this day forward I pledge never to play for any game with copy protection. From this day forth I promise to priate every single game I ever own. Too many years of paying for game and too little to show for it. Fuck you and goodnight. |
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Using a no-cd crack is perfectly acceptable, in my opinion. I do it with almost all the games I buy. Piracy is different matter entirely. |
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Oh yeah- how do you propose to priate every single game I ever own. ?If you own them, how are you going to pirate them? |
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Martin: milosevic is no better than a hitler reincarnate, but I don't disagree with his position. Crimes against Humanity is an absolute assault on what the UN stands for. Why? Because it's a pick and choose type system. If it's politically ok to prosecute, they do, if it's not, they don't. That's not right. I'm all for hold politicians responsible for murder, but I'm for holding all politicians by a similar standard. I'm still waiting for stalin to be dragged through the mud. He had his hand in killing more than Hitler. But he was on the winning team. I don't care if he's dead, stalin deserves to be exposed for the crooked de evolved crap he was. Flamethrower: The Drug War won't end because people are idiots. People have always been idiots. And I sometimes wonder if America should go back to a system where we test people to see if they are smart enough to vote. - Paul |
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"Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a conspiracy theorist. But I repeat myself." - with due credit to Mark Twain Bit late and not really relevant but I couldn't resist. That said ...gamespy/planetquake/critical mass is the source of all evil along with 3dfx and microsoft! (yes even though critical mass and 3dfx don't really exist anymore damnit! ARE YOU BLIND TO WHATS GOING ON?!?!!) |
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Alert Alert In the same forests, there are at most 100,000 western lowland gorillas, while on the DRC-Rwanda-Uganda border there are a few hundred of Dian Fossey's mountain gorillas. And nearby there is an almost extinct population of eastern lowland gorillas, whose national park home has been devastated in the past two years by mining for coltan (colombo tantalite), a mineral used as a hardening agent for metals in hi-tech industries. This was in short supply last year, leading to a worldwide shortage of Sony PlayStation 2 video games. Play spot-the-bullshit in this otherwise interesting report. |
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i got a better one for you, Flamey: call someone who cares. your one-trick-pony drum-banging same-song-different-tune hyperbolic histrionics are getting old. give us a fucking break kthxbye |
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crash, I love you too, even though you, like me, stopped performing your single useful function on the Internet. Mine was being funny but I'm over that now; yours was reviewing Quake levels but you're past that too. Let's not pretend this isn't the toilets in an unfashionable virtual bar, juding by the name of the site and by the people who hang around here. Yes, that means you. Don't pretend you have something more important to be doing, if that were true by definition you wouldn't be here. Welcome. The story - such as it was - was about humanity massacring the apes and eating them. But, please, continue spotting Andy's articles at The Register or whatever the else the fuck you think you're doing that's ever so important. And there's a gaming-related ps to that story. p.s. if you'd have squinted real hard with your mind as you read the fucking words you might have noticed something about Playstation 2's requiring vast amounts of African resources be raped and destroyed (and how the impact circles throughout the land/economy/people). Yes, exactly, that requires a brain and that's not a organ typically required of an online gaming journalist. Ethics is nothing more than a slightly unfashionable name for a Greek kid. Anyway, despite Africa being very far away, dangerous, and full of black people, I decided to ponder why Africa has to burn to make Playstation 2s. Does it contain absolutely NO synthetically reproducible materials? Perhaps SKO of copy protection with a backlash? Or maybe something else. Who knows, because, as a gaming journalist, you're hardly likely to know or ever find out, are you? And fucking hell, isn't it SO much more important to output (and this is what you've brought to the public's attention this far this thread), that AO is "fun" (14), some ping numbers (26), gibberish (27), some ironic post about taking this stuff too seriously (36), a "i can't see what all the fuss is about Evil Avatar" post that runs to 140 words (41), and my own sweet sodomy in the electrons (55). =D |
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Deer Flamey, you have antlers. Obtuse Interjection, MASTERED. *bow* In other news, AO blows, typical of MMORPG launch, gamers whine about "bug-free out of the box", without realizing that somewhere in this wacky capitalistic nation(s), money, jobs, and contracts are involved. I had a chance to meet Evil Avatar at a LANparty in Arizona. I passed up that opportunity, and I am the better for it. Besides, he had a Pokemon sticker on the side of his PC case... fruity? As is typical, I expect to be skipped over in favor of PC's more profound, or simply more quantative posters. Perhaps if I were a more talkative and less concise person, who had less of an enjoyment of absurdity.... ahh, so be it. Huzzah, and good tidings. - Mix Master M.C. D.J. Houston of the Biggity Bomb Blast SupahStar |
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BTW, just because the drugs haven't kicked in quite yet With Flamey's propensity for links, one could start a great link's page, without need for original content, and pass it off to the uneducated public as a "News" site. But Bligh 'n Begorrah, methinks someone's beaten ya to it. Many times over. Many. Many. Many times. I would include links to sites that would act as evidence to my argument (the single sided definition, of course, not that act of arguing), but you visit them every day, as I grab the rudder of topic steering, swiftly spin it towards the starboard bow, and think of some trifle of a humorous statement involving a poop deck. - HrM. Houston |
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Houston, if you write lots of offensive gibberish you get the hits. If you are articulate and concise peopel misread you as "stupid" because we skim the net, not read it and ponder it deeply. Take for example, The Nubian Network's Black Consciousness Online BLACK IQ Test, Page 5, Question 41, namely 41) BLACKS, LIKE EUROPEANS, ARE DESCENDED FROM THE ANIMAL KINGDOM TRUE FALSE As a black person taking that test you score very highly if you answer "FALSE". You later learn you are, maybe, from another planet in this solar system, otherwise from an entirely seperate star system. Now you might wonder what this has to do with you. Well, as you suspect, roughly 0% of the planet is interested in what you have to say, but a racist website that happily defies the laws of physics, anthropology, and good taste, gets several million hits. That's right. If you want an audience -- extremise. What's the alternative? To be the shy, quiet, deep, sensitive one in the corner of the room at parties "knowing" the girls in the room don't know what they're missing? I'm betting McVeigh never felt that way. |
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Zzz (#47): Obviously Evil Avatar is correct in saying that gamers are better off knowing what not to buy, regardless of how he came by knowledge of a particular game. God knows, they won't find out by reading Game Spy or any of the other pr tripe that passes for journalism in the gaming media. His remark, in fact, is a classic faux pas; it's not that he said something false or incorrect, just the opposite. The response of the game publisher is akin to a petulant advertiser pulling an ad from a newspaper that has had the temerity to bite the hand that feeds it. And the response of moralizing critics is terribly amusing -- one wonders how many of them intend to buy the game now that they've heard it's widely considered a stinker. He bashed the living hell out of Tribes2 for months and Sierra didn't say squat. It was when he advocated piracy that they pulled their support. Flamethrower (#49): To play the game, you need the CD in. Putting the CD in makes it wear out. The game I bought, and still want to play, I cannot. I paid for that game, it's being played online now and I can't join. And what do game developers reckon? Tough fucking luck, buy another game instead, cunt. To legally watch a VHS movie you've purchased, you have to put the tape in. This wears it out. Why no outcry? DVD movies? CD music? I've had a lot of CD's which have developed scratches and I can't play anymore. Do I whine, cry and bitch about it? No. Flamethrower (#56): Mine was being funny but I'm over that now No shit. Houston (#57): As is typical, I expect to be skipped over in favor of PC's more profound, or simply more quantative posters. Perhaps if I were a more talkative and less concise person, who had less of an enjoyment of absurdity.... ahh, so be it. Huzzah, and good tidings. Desperate for attention are we? Here, I'll throw you a bone ... :) |
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#60 Warren Marshall wrote... To legally watch a VHS movie you've purchased, you have to put the tape in. This wears it out. Why no outcry? You can make copies of them, and use the copies. DVD movies? There has been and is an outcry because you can't copy them w/o breaking the protection. CD music? I've had a lot of CD's which have developed scratches and I can't play anymore. Do I whine, cry and bitch about it? No. You can make copies, and use the copies. Selective memory, sir. There has been fights over the copying of each media type. In each case the distributors would like to force you to pay separately for each instance of a song, movie, etc. you possess, even if they are identical recordings. The extreme price of VHS tapes and long release delays when VCR's were new. DeCSS and divx. Efforts to put embed copy protection into music, and kill the mp3 standard. Your arguments sound good on the surface, but I'm sure you realized that Flamethrower's point applies equally to them as well, even if you disagree with his conclusions. -Whisp |
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I really don't know where I'd stand on this issue if I didn't get free games FedExed to me. I think the only game I ever "pirated" was Nox. And I only did that because I had a copy on its way, but was really eager to play it. I've never actively gone out and looked for pirated games, I don't think. However, as I stand right now, I'm firmly against pirating. I'm not sure it has as much of an effect on game prices as everyone thinks--the problem is a lot more prominent in business applications--but it's still a major problem. I don't really see it as any different than any other theft. You hear people screaming, "oh, but they have no right to charge that much money for a game!" Bullshit. Warren made a good point--although not completely related to mine--that people don't complain about having to fork over cash for regular movies. I'm waiting for the day people start saying that there's no way they're going to fork over money for a TV--they'd rather just steal one. Back to the topic at hand, though--I think Sierra got a bit overzealous with its actions. Totally pulling support because of a single statement isn't really a professional thing to do, either. Granted, it's not the same as pulling support because of a poor review, but it's related. I do know of a few other companies that have refused to work with certain authors because their reviews didn't really fit with the corporate goals set for the game. That kind of stuff upsets me way more. |
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Whisp (#61): To legally watch a VHS movie you've purchased, you have to put the tape in. This wears it out. Why no outcry? You can make copies of them, and use the copies. What about the ones with copy protection on them? Your arguments sound good on the surface, but I'm sure you realized that Flamethrower's point applies equally to them as well, even if you disagree with his conclusions. Yes, but he doesn't rant on endlessly against any media type other than games. |
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Obviously Evil Avatar is correct in saying that gamers are better off knowing what not to buy, regardless of how he came by knowledge of a particular game. God knows, they won't find out by reading Game Spy or any of the other pr tripe that passes for journalism in the gaming media. You can find reviews (or at least a review, of Myst III) on GameSpy written by... Philip Hansen, aka Evil Avatar. So in a sense you're saying you can't find out about bad games by reading anything by Evil Avatar. Good job. Oh, and for those above wondering why he was promoting GameSpy, he's trying to suck up to get more editorial work probably because he needs the money. one wonders how many of them intend to buy the game now that they've heard it's widely considered a stinker. Hmm, widely? I know people who have the final (the English version is done, it's being held solely for localizing) that say it's a fantastic game. It's a hardcore game, that's for sure, one with many hours of gameplay. But clearly his comment did have an affect on your perception of the game. It should be pointed out that he was playing a beta, not the final version, and while others say he told them he played it for five minutes and thought the graphics sucked (hence the game sucked), Mr. Avatar later said he played it for five hours. Is that enough time to pass judgement? He didn't qualify his statements; he stated the game sucked. Period. Do you think it's acceptible to review betas? Do you think it's acceptible to evaluate games based on a few minutes or hours of gameplay? Should reviews finish games before evaluating them or commenting on them in public? (For these to be considered, you have to assume that reviewers have some influence on some portion of the game audience, and clearly in this case his comments influenced you as you parroted his evaluation of the game.) And do you think it's appropriate to comment on a game's quality in the context of saying "Is piracy bad?" By the way, this game does have a demo available so people already have a way to "try before they buy." Time to get some sycophantic Sierra coverage out on the double, before your feedbag is yanked, too! If Sierra pulled support from every site that gave them a bad review they'd receive zero coverage. They've made their share of bad games over the years. Let's also talk about the ethics of posting a private e-mail on his website so he could martyr himself, then chiding others in the forum for posting his private ICQ messages. Or how he doesn't think it's okay for anyone to steal his content in order to "sample" it, thereby depriving him of potential ad dollars and page views. That makes him a hypocrite if he feels it's okay that people warez games to get the word out about a game's poor quality. blah blah blah. |
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Someone (#64): Mr. Avatar later said he played it for five hours. Not to defend EA, but if I play a game for 5 hours and I'm still not having fun, it's time to pack it in. Hell, if I do ANYTHING for 5 hours and it's still not fun, it's time to find something else to do ... |
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Not a big fan of MMORPGs then, are you Warren? :) Oh, and Flamey, to quote Bob Eucker "Just a bit outside" But, you should know what I mean if you read, and do not skim my post. Anyway, it's off-topic and merely a personal rant about the lack of creative content in gaming journalism. |
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Not to defend EA, but if I play a game for 5 hours and I'm still not having fun, it's time to pack it in. Sure, as a consumer that's true. As a reviewer you're obligated to stick with it, because it's possible the game gets considerably better. Your readers SHOULD expect and demand you do this. And if you read a review that said, "Look, the first few hours are dull, but after that it's the best game ever," then you might consider getting throught that time. To use an example, if I thought the tram ride and opening of Half-Life was boring, then went around telling everyone it sucked ass, would you think I was a trusted source of info? And yes, I do realize this wasn't a formal review, but every journalist has to realize that what he or she say has more weight than a comment by a random individual, for better or for worse. Journalists love the fact they can say, "It's unacceptible that a game like Anarchy Online was released in its current state" and have people react. Then they turn around and say, "Well, me saying Arcanum sucked ass was just a forum post, you should ignore it. |
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I got banned from posting to the EA forums (true story). You know, for a guy who never bans anyone, he sure bans a lot of people. I've been surprised to still have access, considering I almost never agree with him; and once he was all over me because I dared to say that Tribes 2 actually worked on my computer. I still hate tribes 2, but that was besides the point. LPMiller Chief News Editor GotApex? |
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