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GamerX, 3000AD and the corrupt web hack
October 13th 2000, 00:04 CEST by andy Bit of a weird one, this... Earlier this week, 3000AD announced that people could sign up for a new round of Battle Cruiser beta testing. There were a few weird stipulations, such as having to pay $15 for what was described as "try before you buy shareware". This prompted CNET's GamerX to post a little rant, looking at "the most outrageous parts" of the release and poking fun at them. And then... The honourable, honest, widely respected and not-at-all-loopy Derek Smart of 3000AD dropped me a line today, suggesting that I post a topic about the GamerX rant. He also asked if he could write some "opening statements" for the topic, presumably to give his side of the story. I told him sure, I'd post the topic, my only request being that he keep his comments reasonably brief. (Hey, if he rambled on like he often does then some people wouldn't read the topic properly and they'd get the wrong idea, and I'd be the one who got flamed. It was a fair request.) But -- and here's where it gets weird -- after a bit of an exchange, Derek told me "I'm not sending you shit". Why? Because I wouldn't tell him who writes the GamerX column. Apparently that meant I had "decided to impose conditions" on the topic, which he felt was "quite questionable and unethical". No, it doesn't make sense to me either, but here's the topic. (And to avoid the inevitable 100+ posts of flames and assumptions, Derek has permission to post all of my e-mails related to this topic if he thinks I've not been honest about what was said. That should shut him up.) Update: Derek has posted some comments about the GamerX column on the 3000AD web site. |
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<b>#144</b> "George Broussard" wrote... <QUOTE>Everything. Marketing and PR are people jobs. You kiss the ass of reviewers and web guys you can't stand to get good press and reviews. Listening to their ideas as if they mean something, all the time with a smile on your face. Have you learned nothing?! ;) </QUOTE> Oh OK, if you put it like that, I've been doing great then :-) <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>#155</b> "The Clubb (tm)" wrote... <QUOTE>At least you got the joke. I ended up making a complete fool of myself trying to justify that comment--not that it changed anyone's opinion of me :)</QUOTE> LOL! At least you remembered to remind yourself not to post while sober. <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>Derek Smart</b> (#143): <QUOTE>pah, I don't see what people skills has to do with marketing. What'd I miss? </QUOTE> Rather a lot I suppose. :) Come now, is it really worth it to be able to stand up at the end of your life and holler, "I did it myyyyyyyyyyy wayyyyyyyyyy"? Hell, I don't think so. Your mileage, of course, may vary. |
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<b>#159</b> My Personal Lord and Savior "Derek Smart" wrote: <QUOTE>LOL! At least you remembered to remind yourself not to post while sober. </QUOTE> Sadly, I always post when sober. Oh, how I long for the excuse that booze and drugs are the cause of my stupidity :)<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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should have called this post <B>"destractions during the testing phase." v2.0</B> regardless of who said what, when or why...this site is fun in the way that lighting a bag of dog poop and leaving it on some old guys doorstep is fun. thanks Andy for the full on belly laugh...this site is TRUE 'geek humor'. dang, when i tested the closed beta of Everquest or the current MMORPG i'm currently helping beta, noone ever asked for a DIME. *however*, in Mr. Smart's defense, i really like the idea of the credit towards future purchase of the full product. (This is all assuming the game is finished or the deal isn't forgotten later down the road.) ANDY: <I>"<B>He wrote to me and asked me to post his comments</B>, so of course I knew I had to bribe him. Otherwise why would he send them? <B>I mean, it's not like he'd asked me to post them, is it?</B>"</I> asdf'q' sorry, more of that choking laughter...*whew* hard to type. ^M^ |
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<quote>Wow, only 125 posts and already we're at the stage of misquoting people and then challenging them not to reply! Yeehaw! Hey Chris, shouldn't we continue this on Usenet? Those tactics are bad even for ye olde 'Crappe!</quote> Ahhh... as pointed out earlier, thank you for an unscheduled example of Tactic one yet again. And no I didn't say don't reply. In fact just the opposite. I said <quote>Go ahead an reply if you want. I gots me better things to do with my time this evening. </quote> Exactly the opposite of what you are saying I said. In fact, I invited you to reply. And the better things I had to do? Done, next (to use the Broussardian parlance). But far be it for me to actually accuse you of misquoting me. We know you'd NEVER do anything like that. The fact of the matter is, I asked a perfectly good set of questions, which you responded to with a) sarcasm, then b) trying to skew what I asked, even though it was readily apparent I didn't come close to asking what you wanted to say I did, and c) derision. All three are pretty damn evident of your lack of a) knowledge and b) a foothold in reality. And quite frankly, if you can't be bothered to actually use, post, or think anything of relevance, then feel free to go ahead and pu me on ignore. I'd much rather have a conversation with the actual coherent folk who are here. G'night kids! |
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I skimmed so I think I have this right... Derek is forcing people to pay him $15 to play his beta? All gamers are required to participate. People are also questioning Derek's people skills. Andy is my 13 year old niece with a secret. Andy wants to go to bed with him. Andy is not giving straight answers so he can be the center of attention. Playtesters once again feel unimportant and want to bore us with a description of their oh so important jobs. Is any of this news? I love the post count with Derek threads. Derek - try responding to just every other post. I can't wait until mourn tries banner ads. Nothing to sue when Andy lies now - when the site is "making money" there is a whole new can of worms opened up for intent and damages. Good thing Andy doesn't own anything more than a 10 year old PC and a hot plate. Chet |
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I think I can die happy, because I can't think of another person who actually managed to coax a one-word post from Derek Smart. No offense, Derek. :) -brennan |
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Never mind GamerX, who is BitchX? |
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Someone who hasn't updated in a dog's age, and who I'd forgotten about until you mentioned him/her/it. ;) |
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<b>#166</b> My Personal Lord and Savior "Bracket" wrote: <QUOTE>Never mind GamerX, who is BitchX? </QUOTE> Dude, this isn't an episode of Scooby-Doo. We're not going to rip the mask off and recognize the old lighthouse keeper underneath. It's more like, we rip the mask off, find out it's Joel Sneezer from Doglick, Virginia; and say, "who the fuck is this idiot?" My Scooby-Doo ending for "who is GamerX and BitchX?" John Romero and Killcreek.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Andy (#142): <i>Frankly, I don't know why any company of any sort would encourage or even support interaction with its customers, unless doing so was absolutely essential to the success of its business. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any companies that this applies to more than games companies.</i> in general, sure, but for specifics, i can't think of a more interaction-intensive product than a game--specifically, an MMORPG. most games, but not those. :) i guess it's because of the nature of the product. games are entertainment. or supposed to be. a one-time deal; buy, play, hopefully enjoy, maybe play again. with the new breed of online-onlies, tho, it's a day-to-day, every day kinda thing, and customer service--at least, good customer service--is pretty important. i hope MMORPG companies realize this sooner rather than later. |
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I'm getting tired of Derek Smartypants and Bad Andy. Both could be a little more civil to one another and the rest of the thread participants.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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#166: One could surmise that BitchX and GamerX are just pissed off editors at respective publications seeking to write gossip without getting 'in trouble', so to speak. who knows -- they could be "real people" though ;) |
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<b>The Clubb (tm)</b> (#149): <QUOTE><quote>Won't that be the Usual Suspects? :-) </quote> I'd rather quote a good movie.</QUOTE> The Usual Suspects wasn't a good movie? What planet are you living on? -- Warren Marshall - Professional Nuisance<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Hello! This place is funny. :) All these people, and none of them have anything better to do than quote each other, manipulate the quotes, and then give answers that are even more crooked than campain promisies! I've read the whole thread, so that's qualification 1. I know the BCM beta-thing, and actually have some idea of it's past history (!), qualification 2. I'm going to try to say things very clearly, because the average poster here seems to have trouble both reading and creating sentaces in the English language. You read a Non-Disclosure Agreement. You fill out a long and detailed form asking questions as your standing as a member of the Battlecruiser community and your experience with the previous versions, but mostly you answer questions about your computer specs. You send the completed form to several fellows. Depending on how well you answer the questions, you get the privilege of becoming a hand-picked beta tester. When you become a beta tester, you are asked to send to $15 to 3000ad Inc. In turn, they will send you the beta version of a new upcoming title called Battlecruiser:Millennium. You will also be able to patch this copy so it stays up-to-date with the current improvements. In turn, you are asked to look for and report errors in the programing. Those who are willing to go through the above steps will likely be people who have played AND ENJOYED previous games produced by 3000ad Inc. That means they are very eager to see the latest installment. Very eager, as in willing to fork over any amout of money just to have the opportunity to play a game they have slowly seen come into creation for a matter of YEARS. People who have helped influence this game, what it is, and how it plays. People who have already spent untold hours reading press releases, downloading new screenshots, and building up an online community for a game that doesn't even exsist yet. These people are DEDICATED, and most of them are quite coherent. They WANT to give money to Derek, they WANT to toil away for hours in code. Derek Smart could have decided to keep this beta version to his 50-some already experienced testing team, but instead he decided to give (yes, GIVE) a community that has kept him going for years something back. He is now letting these very dedicated fans a look at what they've been dreaming of for quite a while, and a chance to become an active part of this games' development. So what if he's charging them for labor? They obviously WANT to be charged, or don't care, otherwise why would there be so many people who were jumping at the chance to pay fifteen bucks for a buggy piece of software? If you don't like it, fine. SO PISS OFF! You don't have pay him diddly squat, you could probably wait 10-12 months and get the damn thing without bugs for $30. You're not even asked to do any work. Besides, if your reading this thread and thinking, "God, Derek Smart is such an ass, he can't even make games that don't crash evey 2 seconds!", then you probablywon't even be approved to give 3000ad $15. I like ranting, gets all the jeebers out. Now I'm happy, 'cause if you didn't understand what was said above, you weren't meant to! And yes, I am a BC fan, have been ever since the free v1.07D. Because I enjoy the game. It is fun. I like it. |
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I'm one of the ones applied for the beta, I read and understood the agreement. No one is forcing anyone to go for it or am I missing something? I live in the UK and am amazed DS got a deal to send out cd's for $15 (remembers Verants ruin of kunark upgrade and the $39.99 shipping charge for a single cd and map) life is life :) |
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Chris, I think what Andy is getting at between his jabs and witticisms is that a lot of people don't seem to realize that <i>Derek</i> was the one who initiated the idea for a PC topic on the matter, thus making it seem silly that Andy would try to bribe or entice Derek into providing commentary for the topic opening (as Derek had suggested the topic himself). I may have this wrong, but that's the way it reads to me, at least. Andy has mentioned it a few times, but he's never flat-out stated it like this. That might spoil some of the fun, I suppose. |
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<b>#107</b> "Andy" wrote this stuff" <QUOTE><quote>BTW, you know who wrote that GamerX column, don't you? No, I've heard rumours. who? (I'll keep this info confidential) <B>Well, tell ya what... send me the intro, and I'll mention something in the topic about who GamerX is. :-)</B> </quote> I can see how people are misunderstanding it. They're reading it as "send me the intro and I'll say who GamerX is, don't send the intro and I won't". That's not what it meant. Just believe whatever you want. </QUOTE> Gee look at that. Only 103 posts to discover a parsing error. WOOHOO <b>#107</b> "Andy" wrote this stuff" <QUOTE><quote>Masturbate on your own time, OK? :) </quote> Ah, if only my arms were that long... </QUOTE> I should think that you would want something else to be longer, seeing as how you're talking about masturbating. But that might just be me. <b>#108</b> "The Clubb (tm)" wrote this stuff" <QUOTE>Here's hoping everyone saw Spartacus and joins in :) </QUOTE> No way - he got crucified. That's one party I'd rather not join. <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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This is quite amusing. The simple fact of it is we live in a country with a relatively free market and slightly less free speech. Companies can offer their legal products for sale with fairly broad conditions covering those sales. If you, as a customer, understand the terms of the sale and pay your money you have validated the business strategy and get what you paid for (we hope). Why does gamer X care about how Derek tests/sells/previews HIS game? Why does Derek care that Gamer X cares? Heck it's all free publicity. Simple advice (follow at your own risk): GamerX: Find something more interesting to write about...I hear Verant's been doing nice things to their customers and covering it up with very tenuous legal mumbo jumbo. There's bound to be more but whatever.. Derek:This whole thing is such a waste of time for someone who is in the last phase of their development cycle. Secret to surviving these things: whenever you find yourself doing something that is not directly and measurably leading to the release of your quality product, stop it. This includes getting pissed off at GamerX, getting pissed off at Andy, answering all of these comments from PC. Stop it! You'll be glad you did. Andy: your site and all... do what you want but I can't imagine this kind of childishness (on everyone's part) is going to keep the audience for those ad megabucks to come your way. Ok, following my own advice... back to coding.. Kenbo PS - If you heard rumors that DirectPlay is better in DX8.. forget it... grrr! |
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<b>VeeSPIKE</b> (#176): <QUOTE>I should think that you would want something else to be longer, seeing as how you're talking about masturbating. But that might just be me. </QUOTE> You're thinking about it the wrong way. <b>Ah, if only my arms were that long... </b> Think some more. :) -- Warren Marshall - Professional Nuisance<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Wow, it's nice to see you making new friends and impressing future customers Mister Smart. It's amazing that such a busy programmer putting together all sorts of scary complicated software has SO MUCH TIME to refer to post #28 and post #42 and whatnot ALL DAMN DAY. Sure hope your busy game design schedule does not suffer from the massive time commitment you obviously devote to stupid, pointless flame wars on public discussion fora. You sure are neat! Say, have you talked to Verant about publishing your game? You have so much in common with them. |
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So, to recap... Derek "Smart" is trying to squeeze some extra cash out of his fans. So what? I've seen far worse schemes. GamerX is ranting about it, especially the ridiculous use of the term "shareware". He's right IMHO, it's clearly not shareware, but that just means you stay away from it... Andy is trying to put a controversial "spin" on it as usual, only succeeding in endless pingpong-flaming. Still, I do keep coming back to this site... I think you're doing a good job Andy. (Doesn't mean I take anyone's "side" in this discussion though). [30] Derek Smart <QUOTE> You still didn't get it straight, fool. Do try to keep up. </QUOTE> That's just plain immature. A 10 year old usenet troll has more class than that. Peace, -Johan |
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#144 George Broussard: Stay the heck away from my ass! -- WARREN IS GAMER X!!!!!!!!! -- It's good to see someone else other than Jason Hall or myself getting flamed for once on PC. How does it feel Derek? LOL. I think that charging for the beta CD is a good thing as long as Derek isn't making any profits out of it, meaning that $15 covers the exact cost of manufacturing and shipping the cd to the beta tester. If Derek is making money out of this beta, it's not a good thing IMHO, but it is his right to do so. I don't take crap from anyone (ask Warren) and I'll kick Derek's ass anytime if he bothers me, but I have to say that I admire the guy. Every developer knows how hard it is to do what Derek is doing, and that he managed to keep this going is amazing. Keep it up! However, Derek, unlike Broussard I don't kiss people's asses, and I feel that I have to show everyone else this email you sent me a few hours ago: <QUOTE> From: Derek Smart To: The Joker Subject: I love your site! Hey Joker, you remember me from PlanetCrap right? I just wanted to compliment you on your website and let you know I think you're doing an awesome job. Your Sanity review was so well written, I immediately ran out of the house after reading it and bought copies of the game for myself, my family and the entire neighbourhood where I live. I think Steve "Gamer X" Bauman should take you as an example. I have a request. I just asked Andy from PC to post a topic for me but the fucker is bribing me, I always thought he was a loser, a complete ass. Would you like to post some of my comments on your website in some kind of article or perhaps an interview? Let me know. Let me again say that your site is top quality, and your writing redefines the english language completely in every aspect. Best regards, Derek Smart </QUOTE> After reading this, I emailed Andy the following: <QUOTE> Andy, Derek just asked me to post some of his comments on my website after you refused to help him with the topic on PC. He didn't seem so happy about it, calling you an ass and whatnot. Would you like to have me post your own comments as well? Joker. </QUOTE> After which Andy replied with the following: <QUOTE> Joker, thanks but I think I'm going to post the topic afterall and give him hell on PC. Derek's an unethically unethical asshole, and his fu [rest of email deleted because it contains stuff that's too offensive] </QUOTE> And the rest is history. I just wanted to share this with the rest of you, because I think it explains a lot. I know Broussard agrees. He always agrees. With a smile. Joker. |
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<b>#144</b> "George Broussard" wrote... <QUOTE>Derek, Have you learned nothing?! ;) </QUOTE> There's a rhetorical question if ever there was. :) <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>#164</b> "Chet" wrote... <QUOTE>Derek is forcing people to pay him $15 to play his beta? All gamers are required to participate. </quote> uhm NO! (<i>not even close</i>) <quote>I can't wait until mourn tries banner ads. Nothing to sue when Andy lies now - when the site is "making money" there is a whole new can of worms opened up for intent and damages. Good thing Andy doesn't own anything more than a 10 year old PC and a hot plate. </QUOTE> LOL!! Chet, yer jackass, now he won't do it! :-) <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Is that shit real? Ha.. that's classic. :) Be it real or not, good work Joker. Made me laugh. -- Dethstryk |
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<b>#165</b> "brennan" wrote... <QUOTE>I think I can die happy, because I can't think of another person who actually managed to coax a one-word post from Derek Smart. No offense, Derek. :) -brennan </QUOTE> Heh, it means am getting, uhm, better? LOL!! <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>#177</b> "Kenbo" wrote... <QUOTE>PS - If you heard rumors that DirectPlay is better in DX8.. forget it... </QUOTE> /rant on hehe, I guess you're on the Beta program then? Lets put it this way, its a heck of a lot better than DX7. But we're using most of our own stuff anyway. And considering that those bastards have actually gone Release Candidate 0 already, this just simply means that MS has a very good chance of shipping DX8 as-is. I pity the developer who ends up buying into that bullshit that DirectPlay in DX8 is great for massively multiplayer. Cripes, they can't even get multicast to work, damnit. It would be interesting to see what the MS definition of 'massively multiplayer' is - because, from what I've seen, it certainly doesn't mean anymore than 32 people within proximity. You try using DirectPlay from DX8 in a mmp session with more and see. /rant off<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>#181</b> "The Joker" wrote... <QUOTE>and I feel that I have to show everyone else this email you sent me a few hours ago: </QUOTE> LOL!!! The Joker strikes again. <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Derek Smart's attempts to consolidate and then justify the $15 crap is complete bullsquat. I couldn't care less what the reasons are for the payment, I would never pay any amount of my hard-earned cash for what is being offered. This little scheme should go the way of the multi-pack Monolith talent-pack crap. Stuff it. I hope everyone has sense enough to let this one slide down the drain. |
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I'm going to do something fairly rare, totally ignore Andy and Derek's slapfight and discuss the "issue". I can understand Derek's beta-testing in this manner. He's an independant and can't send out free coasters like AOL and Microsoft. Most of the bigger developers usually have a signup for their beta tests on various gaming websites and then can choose from that list the people they want to be in their beta based on their hardware, location, bra size, etc.... I'm not sure why Derek didn't go this route unless he didn't want or need that much feedback for his beta. If this was a game I was "highly" interested in I wouldn't mind at all covering the shipping&handling for the cd, and getting that much taken off the price of the full game if it was a game I drooled over such as Tribes2, Halo, etc. Battle Cruiser isn't my "thang", but I can't fault Derek for giving it a go this way. I guess we'll all find out how good this procedure turns out when the game is released. <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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It's not that I'm trying to suck up to Derek's ass or something, but I find him to be 100% correct on this. He asked to open an item here about the subject, and Andy came up with "You do know who wrote the article, don't you ?" which caused Derek to ask who did since he didn't know (which is normal in my opinion since Andy let slip that he might know). Andy then not wanting to answer the question of who wrote the article BEFORE getting the intro from Derek is just plain ridiculous. What does one thing have to do with the other ? Andy : grow up man. If you would have just given the name (if you know it), Derek would have politely given you the intro as you would have wanted it. Speed Fragland.net |
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<b>#186</b> "Derek Smart" wrote... <QUOTE><B><A href="spy-internal:Load/171#177">#177</A></B> "Kenbo" wrote... <quote>PS - If you heard rumors that DirectPlay is better in DX8.. forget it... </quote> /rant on hehe, I guess you're on the Beta program then? Lets put it this way, its a heck of a lot better than DX7. But we're using most of our own stuff anyway. And considering that those bastards have actually gone Release Candidate 0 already, this just simply means that MS has a very good chance of shipping DX8 as-is. I pity the developer who ends up buying into that bullshit that DirectPlay in DX8 is great for massively multiplayer. Cripes, they can't even get multicast to work, damnit. It would be interesting to see what the MS definition of 'massively multiplayer' is - because, from what I've seen, it certainly doesn't mean anymore than 32 people within proximity. You try using DirectPlay from DX8 in a mmp session with more and see. /rant off</QUOTE> Any fool who even contemplates using DirectPlay deserves everything they get. Hell I think developers/gamers should gather in mobs and attack the fools with stupid sticks for using such an atrocity. But then again I may be biased ;) <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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About the issue of having to pay 15$ for getting a beta : it seem fair to me, considering that you would have to pay less for the final product (if you wanted it). I guess people don't get it anymore these days, but there used to be a time when you had to pay a small amount of money to get a disk with some shareware version of a game on it, and when you registered (and pay again some small amount of money) you would get the full version of the game. Maybe this wasn't the case in the US, but it sure was the case over here in Europe. So therefor I think Derek's use of the word "Shareware" is in one way justified, although what you'll get is not a part of a finished game, but a beta version. All in all, I think it's plain idiocy to ramble on about such a thing as terminology. Speed Fragland.net |
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<b>#191</b> "RahvinTaka" wrote... <QUOTE> Any fool who even contemplates using DirectPlay deserves everything they get. Hell I think developers/gamers should gather in mobs and attack the fools with stupid sticks for using such an atrocity. But then again I may be biased ;) </QUOTE> Damn straight. Using DirectPlay just destroys any multiplayer credibility your game may have had a chance of obtaining. That said, DNF on UT's multiplayer engine may be interesting. I assume they're using 8 polygons per character so it runs in double digit framerates on Christmas 2001's 1.8GHz CPUs. :) I don't know what that has to do with me putting the boot in to DirectPlay, I just sort of felt like saying it. So there. <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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I guess for me the only odd thing is why it costs $15? I remember when Evercrack was in beta and I played I had to play like $3.99 or $4.99 to get the CD shipped to me. They also used that to test their online billing system. It is just odd why it costs 3x the cost to distribute this only a year and a half later.... Maybe Derek just got screwed over by his CD distribution people. :( PS <b>I</b> am GamerX :) |
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Hasn't anyone read the "note before you buy the demo" passage on Smart's website? Talk about smug, tongue-in-cheed PR: I wouldn't buy anything from someone whose sales pitch was so defensive and condescending. Looks like another Romero in the PR department. |
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<b>#163</b>, Chris Johnson: <QUOTE> The fact of the matter is, I asked a perfectly good set of questions, which you responded to with a) sarcasm </QUOTE> Oops, let me stop you there. I responded with: Straight answers. Why do you claim otherwise? I dunno, but I think I'll take your advice and ignore you. There's no point answering you if you're just going to say I'm not answering. The answers are there, anyone can see them, good bye. <b>#175</b>, Creole Ned: <QUOTE> I think what Andy is getting at between his jabs and witticisms is that a lot of people don't seem to realize that <I>Derek</I> was the one who initiated the idea for a PC topic on the matter, thus making it seem silly that Andy would try to bribe or entice Derek into providing commentary for the topic opening (as Derek had suggested the topic himself). I may have this wrong, but that's the way it reads to me, at least. Andy has mentioned it a few times, but he's never flat-out stated it like this. That might spoil some of the fun, I suppose. </QUOTE> That's absolutely right. <b>#190</b>, Speed: <QUOTE> Andy : grow up man. If you would have just given the name (if you know it), Derek would have politely given you the intro as you would have wanted it. </QUOTE> I didn't want it! *HE* wanted it! And obviously post #181 is a lie, but I assume it was meant as a joke. |
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Steve, just wanted to publicly congratulate you and Computer Games' staff for an excellent issue with the recap of the past ten years. I love looking-back-in-time articles, and this was one of the better ones. Scott |
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OK, it's been nearly 200 posts and pretty much everything has already been said, but I'll try to sum it up, so everyone can flame me too ;) I think it's not unethically to charge $15 for the beta, because as I see it you don't have to file bug reports etc., you just get an unfinished game, if you want that, fine, buy it. But the thread's not really about that I guess, it's about Andy's and Derek's email exchange, to which I have to say that I think that neither did Andy do anything unethical nor did he try to bribe Derek, who was <i>asking</i> Andy to post his comments. Andy just offered his knowledge about GamerX's identity more or less as a gift. So far so good, but than the exchange took an unexpected turn: Derek childishly refused to send his comments to Andy without him revealing GamerX's identity beforehand, to which Andy childishly responded that he wouldn't do that, which in turn lead to everyone flaming everyone else. Great. I love PC :) Well, I hope somebody understood my incoherent rambling, so I want to finish by telling all of you: <b>U SUCK"!§°§"$§"!%$§"$§"%!$§°</b> <s>GamerX</s> Frain<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>#66</b> "Steve Bauman" wrote... <QUOTE>Oh, and rumor has it I'm the editor of a publication that sorta competes with Gamecenter, so me writing as Gamer-X would be sorta... bizarre. </QUOTE> Speaking of which, said magazine included an article on the past 10 years or so of gaming which listed Doom 2 as holding 2 positions in the top 20 best selling games for one particular year. I found that pretty interesting ;Þ -PainKilleR-[CE] |
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Andy you still haven't answered the clearly the question. Point black .YES OR NO. Did you Tell Derek in your email that you knew the real name of the person behind Gamerx? Secondly. IF the answer is yes. here is question 2. Did you tell Derek you would only tell him if he sent the intro first? Yes or No. 2 black and white questions Andy. Prove the dozens.. and dozens wrong who say you attempted to "bribe" Derek by withhold information you supposedly have. Its that simple Andy. |
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Andy : in the emails, it clearly states that you wanted to have the intro BEFORE you would give Derek the name. That's what I was pointing at. Speed Fragland.net |
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My final word on the subject: People can believe whatever they want. If you believe I was trying to bribe Derek to give me the comments that he'd asked me to post, then frankly I think you're an idiot, I have zero respect for you, and I don't care about your opinion. I have no interest in trying to change your mind. Developer, journalist or just regular vistor, I don't care who you are. If you can read the e-mails posted above and interpret them as a bribe then you have something wrong with you. You're either stupid or... well, you're stupid. Lacking in intelligence. Not able to think rationally. Stupid. |
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<b>#202</b> "Andy" wrote... <QUOTE>Not able to think rationally. Stupid. </QUOTE> Glass houses. Stones.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<B>I AM PISSED</B> I went to the store today to finally buy virtual tennis and return erik's copy. They charged me for the game!! That's right - some game companies idea of how to make money is to charge people money if they want to play their game. This will never catch on - no one will ever want to play a game so bad that they will pay $50. |
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<b>#109</b> "George Broussard" wrote... <QUOTE>Isn't it intereting that most developers don't have message forums on their sites? I mean why don't Blizzard, LucasArts, id, Valve etc at least run a silly little EZ Board or Ultimate Message Board. Don't they all have at least one person at the company already doing web work that can maintain it? Don't they want their fans to have a place to meet and talk about their games? </QUOTE> George, as someone that moderated Sierra's message boards for Valve's games, I really seriously hope you don't mean that first part in the last paragraph. BTW, Blizzard does have a message board, Valve's games are taken care of on their publisher's (Sierra's) message board. I don't know about id or LucasArts because I really don't care much about their games any longer. -PainKilleR-[CE] |
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I believe that the grammatical mistake that Andy made when he says "this then that" (which is just chronological order...when you give me the intro, i'll put a hint of whom GamerX is) is being interpreted as "if this, then that." I could be wrong, seeing as how no one else has seen it that way. You people are ridiculous, btw. Jumping all over either one of these guys for doing basically nothing wrong. Bah. There's too much bad blood for any sort of coherent discussion to occur w/o some sort of flame. and that's the rest of the story. Romy |
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About DirectPlay.....it sucks. Try using it in an FPS game like Rebellion and FOX interactive did with AvP, and it will definitely redefine the word "lag". Btw, FYI, Sanity has only sold 400 copies in 2 weeks. Even Daikatana sold better, but Sanity makes Daikatana look like Deus Ex. :P |
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