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GamerX, 3000AD and the corrupt web hack
October 13th 2000, 00:04 CEST by andy Bit of a weird one, this... Earlier this week, 3000AD announced that people could sign up for a new round of Battle Cruiser beta testing. There were a few weird stipulations, such as having to pay $15 for what was described as "try before you buy shareware". This prompted CNET's GamerX to post a little rant, looking at "the most outrageous parts" of the release and poking fun at them. And then... The honourable, honest, widely respected and not-at-all-loopy Derek Smart of 3000AD dropped me a line today, suggesting that I post a topic about the GamerX rant. He also asked if he could write some "opening statements" for the topic, presumably to give his side of the story. I told him sure, I'd post the topic, my only request being that he keep his comments reasonably brief. (Hey, if he rambled on like he often does then some people wouldn't read the topic properly and they'd get the wrong idea, and I'd be the one who got flamed. It was a fair request.) But -- and here's where it gets weird -- after a bit of an exchange, Derek told me "I'm not sending you shit". Why? Because I wouldn't tell him who writes the GamerX column. Apparently that meant I had "decided to impose conditions" on the topic, which he felt was "quite questionable and unethical". No, it doesn't make sense to me either, but here's the topic. (And to avoid the inevitable 100+ posts of flames and assumptions, Derek has permission to post all of my e-mails related to this topic if he thinks I've not been honest about what was said. That should shut him up.) Update: Derek has posted some comments about the GamerX column on the 3000AD web site. |
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Intaglio : <quote>It wasn't really that big of a deal when Microsoft asked payment for beta-ing Windows 2000. I didn't mind, at least. (well, I didn't mind leaching a copy off of a sucker that paid for it =)) </quote> Your friend paid for the software like he was supposed to, and you stole it. But he's the sucker. Riiight... |
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<b>#42</b> My Personal Lord and Savior "Derek Smart" wrote: <QUOTE>Besides, if Microsoft asked people to pay $15 to get in early on Halo, how many would bitch about it? You guys bitch and moan about having to wait for products, burn effigies in developers' honor when products are pushed back, then, I decide to quench the thirst of <B>of those who really don't give a shit about the premise but just want to get their hands on the product</B> and I get this crap. Now you know what this statement in the first paragraph was meant to convey. </QUOTE> You are correct, we all worship at the altar of Bill Gates, we would never, ever accuse him of being a blood-sucking inhuman monster trying to make a quick buck with an incomplete product... like Windows 95/98 :þ<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Clubb : <quote>And Derek has already stepped forward to say this wasn't a shareware, but a beta test; which just makes it sleazier :) </quote> Why is it sleazy? |
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<b>#114</b>, Warren Marshall: <QUOTE> If you had just done that at first, we could have all been spared a lot of time and trouble. </QUOTE> If I'd done that at first, I'd have been flamed for posting private e-mails. That's why I gave Derek permission to post mine. But silly me forgot that some people don't always quote accurately. <b>#109</b>, George Broussard: <QUOTE> More interesting topic Andy. </QUOTE> Hmm, assuming this wasn't a flame that went over my head, I agree, that would have been a much more interesting topic. <b>#113</b>, Intaglio: <QUOTE> If thats the case this thread should never have happened. </QUOTE> I always try to post suggested topics, even if I don't agree with them and even if I don't like the person who suggests them. Just because I don't have much interest in Derek, there may be a few lonely people out there who can manage to prop their eyes open for long enough to read the first few paragraphs from one of his lectures. Who am I to deny them that pleasure? |
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Warren Marshall in #118 wrote: <quote>But he's the sucker. Riiight... </quote> Seems like it to me: a) The software was unfinished and crashed often. A colleague of mine paid $60 for it. b) The entire scheme solely benefited Microsoft. By paying for the software, my colleague was only putting more money in Microsoft's pockets. Yes, it seems to me like my colleague got suckered, cheated, ripped-off, etc. <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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He led him on. He dangled a carrot obviously to get Derek to respond. He made it seem as if he was going to "Supportive". As far as Shareware and Freeware and what this Beta is. Lets clarify what Beta's,FreeWare,Shareware,demo mean Freeware=TOTALLY FREE. ShareWare=A portion of a full product released to give a potential consumer a chance to sample it and many times Shareware products cost a small portion of the full price. Ex's Doom ,Gamespy3d Beta's Usually a limited portion of an unfinished title released to a small group for gameplay testing and bug testing. Many times these are free.. but they can be pay to test issues just like MS windows 2000 beta was pay to test. Ex. Diablo2 Mp beta test,Q3 beta demo. Demo= Can be free or can be released after the release of a finalized product to allow someone to sample it. Most times Demos are just free. In this case. The Bc3k beta is a pay to test venture. Derek has every right to charge. He has to master the cd,issue either elecronic or paper manuals with it and he has to endure the cost of shipping. Plus he is giving those who Pay to beta test back a portion of the fee as a down payment on the final product. End result its not a bad deal after all. As far Andy's stupid antics. He has proven time and time again that one he is unethical, two has no common sense and three he is a downright liar who won't admit he is wrong even if 1000 people were to point his mistake. Lets face it a 5 year old child has more maturity and honest then Andy. And in the end his antics just take a decent article and drag it down to utter CRAP. will the child ever change. Probably not. Will he admit he was leading on Derek. OF course not. Will he post another idiotic article with so many holes it makes a swiss cheese look like a solid piece of granite. You bet. As always I have to ask... How does one get to be able to post an article for Planetcrap? Or is this the AndyCrap Show and no one else is invited? |
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Context arguements aside you have a company making an <B>offer</B> to allow players to pay 15 bucks to play. The company then puts in an clause that makes the money non refundable for any reason. Why should the average gamer, who by the way you need to attract as well as your loyal community, even give your title any type of consideration when an <QUOTE>offer</QUOTE> like this is made ? |
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Actually to the first question you answered this: <quote>Oops, remember the three steps: 1. Read. 2. Understand. 3. THEN Respond. Never forget that crucial second step! </quote> Not exactly an answer I'd say. Your second answer was: <quote>I think I know who it is, but I can't prove it, which is why in the end I didn't mention it in the topic. (I'm not into starting/spreading rumours.) And as the person who I thought it was, and who I still think it is, just told me by e-mail that it isn't them, I think that was the right decision.</quote> A pseudo answer at best. I asked a yes or no question, do you have the information, to which you answer, "well, kinda, you see, in my world, kinda sort of knowing who it might be counts as knowing it, but since I really don't know for sure I'm not gonna tell you who it is or even who I thought it might have been in the even that the planerts were all aligned." More of a non-answer actually. I wanted to know, DO YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION? You replied with something that sorta reads like maybe, but you're not going to tell anyone for sure. So no. you didn't answer me. No more than you ever truly come clean when someone takes you to task. To which Derek Smart answered you with <quote> Pathetic. </quote> Favorite part for me: <quote>Because I've got about a dozen "intelligent" people telling me that I bribed Derek Smart to give me an exclusive. How could I not feel superior to those people? They're acting like idiots, and that includes you. </quote> PC Tactic 4: When against the wall, cal people stupid. This will hopefully make them angry enough to lash out at you violently enough to look unstable, or at least as if the validity of their remarks are questionable. This will also help to shore up your ego. The unfortunate side-effect to this tactic is showing how far away from the points at hand you're willing to go to avoid actually coming to terms with reality. To borrow a phrase from Messr. Smart, if I may: "Pathetic." Go ahead an reply if you want. I gots me better things to do with my time this evening. Thanks for the laughs though. I needed them. |
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<b>#120</b> My Personal Lord and Savior "Warren Marshall" wrote: <QUOTE>Clubb : <quote>And Derek has already stepped forward to say this wasn't a shareware, but a beta test; which just makes it sleazier :) </quote> Why is it sleazy? </QUOTE> Many years ago, a sad comic book company on the verge of bankruptcy decided to hold a script-writing contest where the winners would get their story printed. Their offices were flooded by amateur scripts, which they then proceeded to publish with no financial restitution to the authors (as per the contest agreement). The winners weren't upset, but the future professionals of that group looked back on it as a truly sleazy moment in comic book history, which, thankfully, didn't give other comic book companies ideas. Now, this isn't nearly as sleazy, but you do have a reversal of the normal procedure, where beta testers are either payed or get free access to the product. If it weren't for the discount being offered on the finished product, this would be a rather sleazy precedent for the video game industry. But it's pretty damn close.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Intaglio : <quote>Seems like it to me: a) The software was unfinished and crashed often. A colleague of mine paid $60 for it. b) The entire scheme solely benefited Microsoft. By paying for the software, my colleague was only putting more money in Microsoft's pockets. Yes, it seems to me like my colleague got suckered, cheated, ripped-off, etc. </quote> But you wanted this unfinished, crashing software anyway so you stole it? Actually ... forget it. I don't have time to get into a long drawn out argument trying to explain why warez are bad. Take your parting shot, and we'll go our seperate ways. |
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#126 I'm sorry, I don't understand at all. For one thing, I don't see any parallel between the comic book thing and Derek's thing, and for another, even after reading your post twice, I have no clue as to what makes either instance "sleazy." Please, can you describe this logically, rather than emotionally? Thanks. |
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Gotta say, I'm with Andy on this one, because of the smiley. If it was some kind of quid pro quo deal, he wouldn't have ended it with a smiley. Seriously. I think it was pretty clearly lighthearted banter, but anyone who's watched Monty Python knows the capacity for misunderstanding in banter. I also agree with Warren: If the whole e-mail exchange, unedited, would have been posted in the first place, all this nastiness could have been avoided. I am absolutely the first person to scream for Andy's head on a spike outside Morn's house, but in this case, I think people are (somewhat) understandably misinterpreting this, probably largely because they don't think much of Andy in the first place. Now can we please get back to the topic at hand? Here's a question for Derek: When it's released, is BCM going to have a proper shareware version, in the old sense of getting to play a bit for no charge and buying if you like it? -brennan |
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<b>#116</b> "Andy" wrote... <QUOTE>Because I've got about a dozen "intelligent" people telling me that I bribed Derek Smart to give me an exclusive. How could I not feel superior to those people? They're acting like idiots, and that includes you. </QUOTE> I missed the message where someone accused you of bribing Derek. People used barter, dangle, a tease, an incentive, a precondition... there may be more, but I can't seem to find the "bribe." But I'm dumb. And I think one person mentioned the term "exclusive," not "about a dozen." But then again, I'm sorta dim. --- "My life is a patio of fun."<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Nightcloud : <quote>Context arguements aside you have a company making an offer to allow players to pay 15 bucks to play. The company then puts in an clause that makes the money non refundable for any reason. Why should the average gamer, who by the way you need to attract as well as your loyal community, even give your title any type of consideration when an offer like this is made ? </quote> Because the company wants to get as much -quality- feedback as it can to make the finished product better. They don't want random people getting beta copies and not doing anything with them. Charging for the beta weeds out the deadbeats. The average gamer should be jumping for joy ... the finished game will have less bugs in it! Clubb : <quote>Many years ago, a sad comic book company on the verge of bankruptcy decided to hold a script-writing contest where the winners would get their story printed. Their offices were flooded by amateur scripts, which they then proceeded to publish with no financial restitution to the authors (as per the contest agreement). The winners weren't upset, but the future professionals of that group looked back on it as a truly sleazy moment in comic book history, which, thankfully, didn't give other comic book companies ideas. Now, this isn't nearly as sleazy, but you do have a reversal of the normal procedure, where beta testers are either payed or get free access to the product. If it weren't for the discount being offered on the finished product, this would be a rather sleazy precedent for the video game industry. But it's pretty damn close. </quote> I don't think it's even remotely close. |
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<b>#128</b> My Personal Lord and Savior "Jafd" wrote: <QUOTE>I'm sorry, I don't understand at all. For one thing, I don't see any parallel between the comic book thing and Derek's thing, and for another, even after reading your post twice, I have no clue as to what makes either instance "sleazy." Please, can you describe this logically, rather than emotionally? Thanks. </QUOTE> 1) I really like comic books and these stories come out. It was a story in which a company took advantage of aspiring writer's desire to be published to save money producing their books. 2) It's a reversal of industry norms. Beta testing is something that people are paid to perfrom. Having the beta tester pay to do the same job would be sleazy. 3) To be fair, Derek is offering a discount on the finished product to the beta testers, so he's managed to counter-act virtually all of the sleaziness--in the end, it just <b>seems</b> real funny.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Wow, only 125 posts and already we're at the stage of misquoting people and then challenging them not to reply! Yeehaw! Hey Chris, shouldn't we continue this on Usenet? Those tactics are bad even for ye olde 'Crappe! |
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<b>#131</b> My Personal Lord and Savior "Warren Marshall" wrote: <QUOTE>I don't think it's even remotely close. </QUOTE> Sorry, that was a mis-write. I meant to say it was close to being sleazy, but was saved by the offer of a discount on the final product. I did not mean to imply that it was anywhere close to the incredibly sleazy situation of the comic book company. Had Derek not offered the discount, I think it would have been very close to the situation I described at the comic book company. Just because a bunch of rabid fans are willing to let a company dick them over, doesn't mean the company is write in dicking them over. Again, I'm not accusing Derek of this, his offer of a discount kept this situation from being sleazy, but it does sort of look sleazy at first glance. I really need to stop posting when I'm sober :) <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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george said: <quote>More interesting topic Andy. Isn't it intereting that most developers don't have message forums on their sites? I mean why don't Blizzard, LucasArts, id, Valve etc at least run a silly little EZ Board or Ultimate Message Board. Don't they all have at least one person at the company already doing web work that can maintain it? Don't they want their fans to have a place to meet and talk about their games? </quote> Most companies don't want to shell out the money to pay for the bandwidth (ie - Epic closing down the fabled Megaboard). Most publishers have them, but not all developers... |
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<b>#127</b> "Warren Marshall" wrote... <QUOTE>But you wanted this unfinished, crashing software anyway so you stole it? </QUOTE> That's been ticking me off latly as well. People run around griping about how such and such software titles sucks and crashes constatly or isn't what they expected it to be, then turn right around and steal it becuse they wanted it (same thing happens with MP3's, the record compaies are turning out crap, but I want the crap so I'll steal it). I mean gees I don't like crispy cookies but every now and then I get a craving for some chunky chips ahoy and I would think of heading out to shoplift a bag because I disslike the fact that they are crispy. Ok now to what I think about charging for the beta. So what big deal it's his game, people buying the beta are not being empolyeed by 3000AD per-say. what they are buying a product that is labled as unfinished. The reporting bugs part is acctauly very small and no where near like working as a beta tester would be (I don't see derek or anyone else sending e-mails to people telling them what to test each day and requiring a reports). Lets put it this way if a record company showed up and told you they where going to sell a as of yet finished CD (still unmixed, some songs may not be in the version relased, and other might change) and offered a discount on the final mixed release how many people would call that sleazy. -- None-1a. O forget it.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>#136</b> "None-1a" wrote... <QUOTE>I mean gees I don't like crispy cookies but every now and then I get a craving for some chunky chips ahoy and I would think of heading out to shoplift a bag because I disslike the fact that they are crispy. </QUOTE> Opps would NOT (must remember the word NOT when talking about this stuff). -- None-1a. O forget it.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>#109</b> My Personal Lord and Savior "George Broussard" wrote: <QUOTE>Isn't it intereting that most developers don't have message forums on their sites? I mean why don't Blizzard, LucasArts, id, Valve etc at least run a silly little EZ Board or Ultimate Message Board. Don't they all have at least one person at the company already doing web work that can maintain it? Don't they want their fans to have a place to meet and talk about their games? </QUOTE> Considering that you picked four companies whose games would sell even without a message board, I think the answer is self-evident. I know for a fact from your message board, you end up with spiralling levels of aggression from various posters. Someone comes up with what they believe is a brilliant idea for your game, you politely tell them it's a piece of shit idea ("that's a great idea, but it wouldn't work for this game") and suddenly they start talking about how you don't give a shit about your fans anymore. It's almost like stalkers who somehow come to think that their fanhood is as important to the celebrity (or in this case, game company) as it is to the fan. That's not even getting into the "Company X is trying to suppress my freedom of speech" every time you decide to delete some hateful bit of electronic graphitti. Id, LA, Blizzard, and Valve probably end up sparing themselves a lot of ill-will and headaches from not putting up message boards.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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This is a horrible idea. Lets give an analogy: I'm a construction foreman, and you're looking for a job. I tell you you can work the hottest part of the day, and 24-7, but you have to pay ME $5.15/hr to do it! Does that not sound wrong? No because 3000AD is not a construction company and the person paying for the Beta is not a construction foreman. sheesh. <b>but the comment was to take the context and find a better way to look at it ..paying to work hard isnt right but if you are not requireing feedback from your beta test then who cares about the 15 dollars</b> (holds out the GamerX cap for the next guy) |
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<b>#133</b> Andy wrote... <quote>Wow, only 125 posts and already we're at the stage of misquoting people and then challenging them not to reply! Yeehaw! Hey Chris, shouldn't we continue this on Usenet? Those tactics are bad even for ye olde 'Crappe!</quote> As Chris said in #54, Tactic #1 at work... |
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oh yeah -- blizzard has <b><A HREF="http://www.battle.net">huge forums</b></a> on battle.net. |
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On the subject of games companies having message boards: Frankly, I don't know why any company of any sort would encourage or even support interaction with its customers, unless doing so was absolutely essential to the success of its business. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any companies that this applies to more than games companies. Without wanting to point to this topic as a classic example, I'll point to this topic as a classic example of how gamers are NOT exactly the brightest people. Look around the web and it's plain to see that interaction, or perceived interaction, between developer and gamer will almost always end in a negative PR hit for the developer, even if 999 times out of a thousand that PR hit will be forgotten about almost as soon as it has happened. As far as I'm concerned, developers should just lock themselves away and make their games. Then put them on a shelf and sell them to us. If they think that "communicating" with us will help to increase sales (which it obviously does) then they should do that purely for the extra money it stands to make them, but not for any reason of it being "the right thing to do" for us. Bottom line: Consumers suck. Don't talk to them. (<i>But do talk to us pesky web hacks, we don't suck. Well not quite as much.</i>) |
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<b>#95</b> "Jafd" wrote... <QUOTE>Because you have no people-skills. Sorry, guy. Look to your inadequacies and eliminate them. </QUOTE> pah, I don't see what people skills has to do with marketing. What'd I miss? <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Derek, <quote>pah, I don't see what people skills has to do with marketing. What'd I miss? </quote> Everything. Marketing and PR are people jobs. You kiss the ass of reviewers and web guys you can't stand to get good press and reviews. Listening to their ideas as if they mean something, all the time with a smile on your face. Have you learned nothing?! ;) George Broussard, 3D Realms |
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<b>#142</b> My Personal Lord and Savior "Andy" wrote: <QUOTE>Without wanting to point to this topic as a classic example, I'll point to this topic as a classic example of how gamers are NOT exactly the brightest people. </QUOTE> Hey!!!! :) <quote> Look around the web and it's plain to see that interaction, or perceived interaction, between developer and gamer will almost always end in a negative PR hit for the developer, even if 999 times out of a thousand that PR hit will be forgotten about almost as soon as it has happened. </quote> From my experience with the PlanetBlood forum, I know that we took a lot of flak for various bits of bullshit. Whoever is running the board has to enforce rules and that person is never going to be popular in certain quarters. Also, the attacks on Monolith there tended to be rather impersonal ("Lith Sucks" and the like), whereas the official forum ended up with a lot of personal attacks toward the employees who frequented the boards. Also, from here, we all know that the professional here tend to have more people paying attention to their posts. So, any mis-speak there will end up being blown completely out of proportion.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>#107</b> "Andy" wrote... <QUOTE>Truth be told, I don't think much of Derek, don't consider him at all important and don't have any interest in him, his company or his wretched game. So the idea of me trying to bribe him for anything, let alone to write a topic that HE requested, is ridiculous. </QUOTE> heh, no kidding, jackass. You've made this quite clear in the past with your blatantly obnoxious, stupid and brain-dead posts. And not only to me either. I think I can safely say that the general consensus around here is that, well, you're ass. And a bad one at that even though, to your credit, you do try hard at it. And these sentiments alone are those that give credence to the premise of your emails to me as well as the creation of this thread....even though you had given all indication that the thread would not be created (<i>because you felt that I had wasted your time</i>), hence my doing the soapbox article - and taking the wind out of your sails. The fact is, you are feeling the heat from this farce and caving under pressure. Deal with it, fool. You reap what you sow. <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>#108</b> "The Clubb (tm)" wrote... <QUOTE>Derek, I'm Gamer X. Here's hoping everyone saw Spartacus and joins in :) </QUOTE> Won't that be the Usual Suspects? :-) <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>#112</b> "warmonger" wrote... <QUOTE>I'm Gamer-X!</QUOTE> LOL!! ok, here comes the trend <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>#147</b> My Personal Lord and Savior "Derek Smart" wrote: <QUOTE>Won't that be the Usual Suspects? :-) </QUOTE> I'd rather quote a good movie.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>#145</b>, The Clubb (tm): Oooh, the PlanetBlood forums are a much better example than even this thread! The idea that people could go to a FAN site and blame the FANS who run the FAN site for what they saw as problems with the game, or mistakes by the developers... well, how can I finish this sentence? It baffles me. Deep, deep levels of stupidity. And that brings us back nicely to this thread! |
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<b>#115</b> "The Clubb (tm)" wrote... <QUOTE>And Derek has already stepped forward to say this wasn't a shareware, but a beta test; which just makes it sleazier :)</QUOTE> LOL! Thanks, turn up the heat whydoncha! <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>#117</b> "crash" wrote... <QUOTE>ask EA/Origin why not. reference Ultima IX in your email. :)</QUOTE> ROTFL!! Oh gawd, this is getting hilarious <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>#123</b> "EvilAsh" wrote... <QUOTE>How does one get to be able to post an article for Planetcrap? </QUOTE> Once we figure that out, we won't need that ass. In fact, I don't know how to create a topic, which is why I asked him. On hindsight, I should have gone to someone more credible, like morn. Andy is ass <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Ee-aw! |
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<b>#151</b> My Personal Lord and Savior "Derek Smart" wrote: <QUOTE><B><A href="spy-internal:Load/171#115">#115</A></B> "The Clubb (tm)" wrote... <quote>And Derek has already stepped forward to say this wasn't a shareware, but a beta test; which just makes it sleazier :)</quote> LOL! Thanks, turn up the heat whydoncha! </QUOTE> At least you got the joke. I ended up making a complete fool of myself trying to justify that comment--not that it changed anyone's opinion of me :)<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>#129</b> "brennan" wrote... <QUOTE>Here's a question for Derek: When it's released, is BCM going to have a proper shareware version, in the old sense of getting to play a bit for no charge and buying if you like it? </QUOTE> No <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Yeah! Chet just posted in another thread so he's bound to turn up here soon! *waits* |
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<b>#144</b> "George Broussard" wrote... <QUOTE>Everything. Marketing and PR are people jobs. You kiss the ass of reviewers and web guys you can't stand to get good press and reviews. Listening to their ideas as if they mean something, all the time with a smile on your face. Have you learned nothing?! ;) </QUOTE> Oh OK, if you put it like that, I've been doing great then :-) <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>#155</b> "The Clubb (tm)" wrote... <QUOTE>At least you got the joke. I ended up making a complete fool of myself trying to justify that comment--not that it changed anyone's opinion of me :)</QUOTE> LOL! At least you remembered to remind yourself not to post while sober. <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>Derek Smart</b> (#143): <QUOTE>pah, I don't see what people skills has to do with marketing. What'd I miss? </QUOTE> Rather a lot I suppose. :) Come now, is it really worth it to be able to stand up at the end of your life and holler, "I did it myyyyyyyyyyy wayyyyyyyyyy"? Hell, I don't think so. Your mileage, of course, may vary. |
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<b>#159</b> My Personal Lord and Savior "Derek Smart" wrote: <QUOTE>LOL! At least you remembered to remind yourself not to post while sober. </QUOTE> Sadly, I always post when sober. Oh, how I long for the excuse that booze and drugs are the cause of my stupidity :)<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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should have called this post <B>"destractions during the testing phase." v2.0</B> regardless of who said what, when or why...this site is fun in the way that lighting a bag of dog poop and leaving it on some old guys doorstep is fun. thanks Andy for the full on belly laugh...this site is TRUE 'geek humor'. dang, when i tested the closed beta of Everquest or the current MMORPG i'm currently helping beta, noone ever asked for a DIME. *however*, in Mr. Smart's defense, i really like the idea of the credit towards future purchase of the full product. (This is all assuming the game is finished or the deal isn't forgotten later down the road.) ANDY: <I>"<B>He wrote to me and asked me to post his comments</B>, so of course I knew I had to bribe him. Otherwise why would he send them? <B>I mean, it's not like he'd asked me to post them, is it?</B>"</I> asdf'q' sorry, more of that choking laughter...*whew* hard to type. ^M^ |
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<quote>Wow, only 125 posts and already we're at the stage of misquoting people and then challenging them not to reply! Yeehaw! Hey Chris, shouldn't we continue this on Usenet? Those tactics are bad even for ye olde 'Crappe!</quote> Ahhh... as pointed out earlier, thank you for an unscheduled example of Tactic one yet again. And no I didn't say don't reply. In fact just the opposite. I said <quote>Go ahead an reply if you want. I gots me better things to do with my time this evening. </quote> Exactly the opposite of what you are saying I said. In fact, I invited you to reply. And the better things I had to do? Done, next (to use the Broussardian parlance). But far be it for me to actually accuse you of misquoting me. We know you'd NEVER do anything like that. The fact of the matter is, I asked a perfectly good set of questions, which you responded to with a) sarcasm, then b) trying to skew what I asked, even though it was readily apparent I didn't come close to asking what you wanted to say I did, and c) derision. All three are pretty damn evident of your lack of a) knowledge and b) a foothold in reality. And quite frankly, if you can't be bothered to actually use, post, or think anything of relevance, then feel free to go ahead and pu me on ignore. I'd much rather have a conversation with the actual coherent folk who are here. G'night kids! |
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I skimmed so I think I have this right... Derek is forcing people to pay him $15 to play his beta? All gamers are required to participate. People are also questioning Derek's people skills. Andy is my 13 year old niece with a secret. Andy wants to go to bed with him. Andy is not giving straight answers so he can be the center of attention. Playtesters once again feel unimportant and want to bore us with a description of their oh so important jobs. Is any of this news? I love the post count with Derek threads. Derek - try responding to just every other post. I can't wait until mourn tries banner ads. Nothing to sue when Andy lies now - when the site is "making money" there is a whole new can of worms opened up for intent and damages. Good thing Andy doesn't own anything more than a 10 year old PC and a hot plate. Chet |
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I think I can die happy, because I can't think of another person who actually managed to coax a one-word post from Derek Smart. No offense, Derek. :) -brennan |
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Never mind GamerX, who is BitchX? |
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Someone who hasn't updated in a dog's age, and who I'd forgotten about until you mentioned him/her/it. ;) |
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