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EverQuest player banned over 'child porn' claim
October 5th 2000, 19:50 CEST by andy

EverQuest creators Verant Interactive are again being accused of excessive censorship. Mystere, an EverQuest player who also posts "fan fiction" on an unofficial forum, has been banned from the game after one story was apparently deemed offensive.



The story, posted under the pseudonym Vhasst, was one of several posted to an EverQuest forum on IGN. It featured an extremely graphic portrayal of rape against a girl described as being "barely into her 14th season", leading to accusations of it being child pornography. The story was prefaced: "WARNING! The following story contains explicit scenes. Please, if you are underage or offended by graphic description, please avoid this story." The story was available on this page but has been removed since this article was posted.

Three months after the story was posted, Mystere posted this message to the IGN forum yesterday: "I seem to have been banned from EQ. No warning, no nothing. I was [away] for a few minutes and the next thing I know I come back and EQ is reloading. I try to log back in and I'm suddenly banned."

Other stories by Mystere are generally well-received by other players, with many praising the quality of writing and narrative. Some of the stories do feature very descriptive scenes of torture and/or murder but are written tastefully. (Some examples: here, here and here.)

The ban can be imposed due to a vague clause in Verant's service agreement, which states that customers may be banned for "any player activity whatsoever which is, in our sole discretion, inappropriate and/or in violation of the spirit of the Game as set forth in the player rules of conduct". The ban was imposed after someone drew Verant's attention to the story.

Gordon Wrinn, Verant's Internet Relations Manager, posted this message to the official forum, saying that the issue is "not something that we're going to discuss or justify publicly". He explained: "We make determinations based on information at hand regarding who is or is not having a positive affect on EverQuest's community. If we determine that one person's actions make EverQuest a game that other people do not want to play based upon those actions, we will excercise our right to refuse service to the extent necessary to provide a reasonable and enjoyable gaming environment."

The majority of other players commenting on the ban, on both the IGN and official forums, have condemned Verant's actions. Only a small number have supported the ban, saying that they felt the story was offensive and should not have been posted. Others have said the ban was wrong, but agreed that the story was likely to tarnish Verant's image.

In other Verant news, EQ Macros, a utility that "provides recording & playback of keystroke and mouse macros under EverQuest", has been shut down under legal pressure. The author of the utility, Ben Ziegler, posted this announcement on his web site: "John Smedley, CEO of Verant, sent me an email and requested that I stop work on EQ Macros. I responded asking him to consider developing a 3rd party developer support program, like Origin's UO Pro program, so that we could work together on improving the EQ gaming experience. I then received communications from Verant's lawyer asking me to cease & desist such activities." Ziegler has also posted a copy of the cease & desist order.

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#25 by "GreenMarine"
2000-10-05 22:15:38
brandonr@3drealms.com http://www.3drealms.com
Hehehe.  I always thought in EQ and MUD lore "season" meant LEVEL not AGE.  Christ, most of the Elves running around in these games are supposed to be several hundred years old.

I think this is a case of some Verant suit being offended and handing down a decision.  Or something weird, because I can't see the players or even the developer-players giving a fuck about a fan story.
#26 by "Stepto"
2000-10-05 22:24:17
Stepto@gamersangst.com http://www.gamersangst.com
The Education of Thorin Longleaf

by

Stepto

<b>NOTE: The following story is a recounting of an imaginary event occuring in an imaginary universe that is in no way connected with 20th Century Fox, LucasArts or LucasFilm, The MPAA, The RIAA, or Planetcrap.

It does however occur in Verant Software's Everquest Universe.</b>

The moon hung low and fat in the somewhat pixelated night sky as Thorin Longleaf shed his tunic and stood, naked as a ruin of Kunark, before his lover.  Although only 13 units of time old, he had already built a reputation as the most skilled lover in---

<B><QUOTE>genport I/O intialization error</B></QUOTE>

Please wait while Everquest is loading...

---Took her roughly, jabbing his---

<B><QUOTE>genport I/O intialization error</b></quote>

Please wait while Everquest is loading...

muffling her cries with his hand while slapping her---

<B><QUOTE>genport I/O intialization error</b></quote>

Please wait while Everquest is loading...

---held her down while the other four took their turn and---

<B><QUOTE>genport I/O intialization error</b></quote>

Please wait while everquest is loading...

Error, could not log on!


S.
#27 by "GreenMarine"
2000-10-05 22:25:22
brandonr@3drealms.com http://www.3drealms.com
ROFL Stepto, that's pretty funny.
#28 by "Union Carbide"
2000-10-05 22:32:52
smythe@bangg.org http://www.bangg.org
<a href="http://lum.xrgaming.net/eqk.jpg">Ban computer game Elf bondage pr0n.</a>  Do it for the children.

--
God is real, unless explicitly declared integer.
<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#29 by "ReconN"
2000-10-05 22:38:04
reconn@captured.com http://www.captured.com/
^mortis^ from The Down?  And Ghostfan?
#30 by "^mortis^"
2000-10-05 22:42:38
mortis@goddamnindependent.com http://www.goddamnindependent.com
29:  yes, from the Down...Ghostfan...uhm, nope. haven't heard of that, but i hated the movie Ghost, if that counts.

^M^
#31 by "JMCDaveL"
2000-10-05 22:43:27
lachney@ebicom.net
Jesus Christ almighty, Andy's talking about bias!

At least Lum's story on EQ Macro's told what exactly the program did, the macroing actions stuff was only a very small piece of the program. And from what I read a lot of people liked the things the program did.

Why post stories about multiplayer games that aren't FPS's if you don't have a damned clue what you are talking about?

--jmc
#32 by "Union Carbide"
2000-10-05 22:46:08
smythe@bangg.org http://www.bangg.org
<b>#17</b> "Andy" wrote...
<QUOTE>
Stories like this aren't suitable for "rant" reporting, IMO.
</QUOTE>

Uh, WTF do you think PlanetCrap is?  Your delusions of grandeur to the contrary, this ain't no New York Times.  Shit, it's not even the New York Post.

--
God is real, unless explicitly declared integer.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#33 by "ReconN"
2000-10-05 22:48:08
reconn@captured.com http://www.captured.com/
Ghostfan:
http://ghostfan.valveworld.com/

I guess that's a different Mortis.
#34 by "PainKilleR-[CE]"
2000-10-05 22:58:33
painkiller@planetfortress.com http://www.planetfortress.com/tftech/
<b>#31</b> "JMCDaveL" wrote...
<QUOTE>At least Lum's story on EQ Macro's told what exactly the program did, the macroing actions stuff was only a very small piece of the program. And from what I read a lot of people liked the things the program did.
</QUOTE>

hmm I just went and read Lum's story on the EQMacros, and actually the only thing it really says is about what Andy said, along with a link to an earlier story that said what it does. Considering this was the final paragraph of an 8 paragraph story over here, I'm not surprised there's a slight difference, since the bulk of the story here was about someone being banned from the game, and the Macros thing was an aside. Andy doesn't even seem to offer any real opinion on the EQMacros, it just kindof looks like a 'hey, this isn't all that Verant's doing that doesn't seem right'.

Personally, it all just makes me glad that I'm not playing EQ, and that I never have played it. I've been interested several times, but usually the combined cost of $40-50 for the CD, which basically just lets you access the game, and $10 per month to continue playing the game, just turns me away from it. At least I waited until I only had to pay about $20 before I bothered trying UO, so that's all I had to pay when I decided I wasn't going to play it beyond the free month that came with it.

-PainKilleR-[CE]
#35 by "Apache"
2000-10-05 23:13:54
apache@stomped.com http://unreal.stomped.com
EverQuest = Online Golf
#36 by "Lum the Mad"
2000-10-05 23:18:29
lum@lumthemad.net http://www.lumthemad.net
He hasn't even been fair in his explanation
 of the reasons.

I'd be interested in why you think this. I thought I was pretty evenhanded considering it was a remarkably boneheaded move on Verant's part. I posted both Mystere's and Gordon Wrinn's side of the story, then explained why I thought it was whacked in the head.

I freely admit to not being a profeshanul joornalist (I leave that to Gamespy) but I do try to at least post enough for people to make up their own minds about things like this.
#37 by "Andy"
2000-10-05 23:44:50
andy@nospam.planetcrap.com http://www.meejahor.com/
<b>#36</b>, Lum the Mad:
<QUOTE>
I'd be interested in why you think this. I thought I was pretty evenhanded considering it was a remarkably boneheaded move on Verant's part. I posted both Mystere's and Gordon Wrinn's side of the story, then explained why I thought it was whacked in the head.
</QUOTE>
Okay, but let me say first that I've got nothing against you or your web site. I've used your site as a starting point for info on previous EverQuest stories and I generally like your style. But on this occasion...
<quote>
BANNED FOR ROLEPLAYING
</quote>
This is very misleading. It was the extreme sexual content of the story that lead to the banning, not the role-playing aspect.
<quote>
Yep, you read that right. Not only is roleplaying rare in EQ, it's also apparently bannable now.
</quote>
Wrong, for the same reason.
<quote>
A few days ago, Mystere of Brell Serilis posted an in character <a href="http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=7048656&replies=7">story</a> of her and another character torturing two High Elves.
</quote>
You're talking about, and linking to, the wrong story.

Remember that the guy from Raven has linked to your site in his .plan file, which will no doubt be picked up by news sites, so hundreds/thousands of people are going to get "the story" from your site. Oops, you just gave a lot of people the wrong info, and made Verant look a lot more stupid than they otherwise would. How many of those people will return to the site to see the less-publicised follow-up? :-)
<quote>
Yet, Verant saw a problem with their Dark Elves being actually Dark.
</quote>
No, they (presumably) saw a problem with their game being associated with material that some other customers were calling child pornography.
<quote>
Verant took issue with her writing a story that involved ritual torture. Possibly it was confused with <a href="http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=6102849&page=1">this story</a> that was much more graphic, involving the sadistic mutilation and rape of a 14 year old dark elf.
</quote>
It wasn't "confused" with that story. That was the story. If you look at the messages following the story you're talking about, the author has actually stated that it is NOT the story s/he was banned for.

Also, "14 year old" is wrong. It was written in the story as "barely into her 14th season" which, as I understand it, doesn't mean 14 years. If I'm wrong on this, I apologise. I don't play EverQuest, but this is what I've been told.
<quote>
Regardless, and again, if the side of the story we're hearing is the truth, Verant banned someone for roleplaying incorrectly.
</quote>
Again, misleading.
<quote>
Verant banned someone for posting in-character on EQ Vault.
</quote>
No, they banned someone for posting material that (an)other customer(s) had complained about.

--

Now, don't get the wrong impression from this. I'm not trying to make you look bad. The "mistakes" (as I see them) in your coverage have all come about due to ONE misunderstanding. So you've only really got one thing wrong, it just means that everything else you've said is wrong too! :-)

Your mistake is perfectly understandable. I made exactly the same mistake at first, I just happened to dig around a little more and realised where I'd gone wrong. On another story, it could have been the other way round.
#38 by "Lum the Mad"
2000-10-05 23:55:05
lum@lumthemad.net http://www.lumthemad.net
<quote>This is very misleading. It was the extreme sexual content of the story that lead to the banning, not the role-playing aspect.</quote>

Sure. But last I heard, extreme sexual content was not grounds for banning from any MMORPG. Hell, EQ loves sex, they use it as a sales tool (just look at the character models).

In MMORPGs hardcore roleplayers post in message forums all the time in character. It quite often is very graphically sexual and for these stories to be targeted is just, well, bizarre.

<quote>Remember that the guy from Raven has linked to your site in his .plan file, which will no doubt be picked up by news sites, so hundreds/thousands of people are going to get "the story" from your site. Oops, you just gave a lot of people the wrong info, and made Verant look a lot more stupid than they otherwise would. How many of those people will return to the site to see the less-publicised follow-up? :-)
</quote>

At the moment I've only gotten refers from the .plan file and its various and sundry plantrackers. The fallout from IGN closing Vault Network pretty much is drowning out everything else at the moment though.

<quote>No, they banned someone for posting material that (an)other customer(s) had complained about.</quote>

Which in itself is asinine. If a customer complains that you sent them an insulting email, should you be banned from EQ?

Regardless, I don't think the story as I posted is too far off the mark. Yes, I didn't know that Vhasst and Mystere were the same person - but as I pointed out, even "Vhasst"'s far more extreme story should not be grounds for being banned from an MMORPG. As I pointed out, the basic facts of what happened are:

1) A player posts graphic stories, in character, on a message board on ign.com (which has no official affiliation with Sony or Verant).

2) As that player relates, someone took offense at the violent nature of his stories and threatens to retaliate, bringing them to the attention of Verant.

3) Verant is offended by the stories and bans the player from Everquest.

We hire Verant to keep the servers running, not to police our morals.
#39 by "Lum the Mad"
2000-10-05 23:56:21
lum@lumthemad.net http://www.lumthemad.net
<quote>This is very misleading. It was the extreme sexual content of the story that lead to the banning, not the role-playing aspect.</quote>

Sure. But last I heard, extreme sexual content was not grounds for banning from any MMORPG. Hell, EQ loves sex, they use it as a sales tool (just look at the character models).

In MMORPGs hardcore roleplayers post in message forums all the time in character. It quite often is very graphically sexual and for these stories to be targeted is just, well, bizarre.

<quote>Remember that the guy from Raven has linked to your site in his .plan file, which will no doubt be picked up by news sites, so hundreds/thousands of people are going to get "the story" from your site. Oops, you just gave a lot of people the wrong info, and made Verant look a lot more stupid than they otherwise would. How many of those people will return to the site to see the less-publicised follow-up? :-)
</quote>

At the moment I've only gotten about 30 refers from the .plan file and its various and sundry plantrackers. The fallout from IGN closing Vault Network pretty much is drowning out everything else at the moment though. Well that and xrgaming's server going up and down intermittently all day.

<quote>No, they banned someone for posting material that (an)other customer(s) had complained about.</quote>

Which in itself is asinine. If a customer complains that you sent them an insulting email, should you be banned from EQ?

Regardless, I don't think the story as I posted is too far off the mark. Yes, I didn't know that Vhasst and Mystere were the same person - but as I pointed out, even "Vhasst"'s far more extreme story should not be grounds for being banned from an MMORPG. As I pointed out, the basic facts of what happened are:

1) A player posts graphic stories, in character, on a message board on ign.com (which has no official affiliation with Sony or Verant).

2) As that player relates, someone took offense at the violent nature of his stories and threatens to retaliate, bringing them to the attention of Verant.

3) Verant is offended by the stories and bans the player from Everquest.

We hire Verant to keep the servers running, not to police our morals.
#40 by "crash"
2000-10-06 00:04:56
crash@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
before we start, let's view all the official correspondence anyone has admitting to receiving on this matter. Abashi's post, from <a href="http://boards.station.sony.com/everquest/Forum2/HTML/020716-5.html">the Station's board</a>, reads thus:

<quote>Like all other account issues, this is a matter between us and the owner of the account. It's not something that we're going to discuss or
justify publicly.

We make determinations based on information at hand regarding who is or is not having a positive affect on EverQuest's community. If we determine that one person's actions make EverQuest a game that other people do not want to play based upon those actions, we will excercise our right to refuse service to the extent necessary to provide a reasonable and enjoyable gaming environment.

This is the extent to which we'll address this specific issue. If people have general questions not related to the specific issues in this case, I'll be happy to field them tomorrow. This issue is however closed.</quote>

anybody see any specifics in there? no? neither do i. okay.

Andy (#37):
<i>This is very misleading. It was the extreme sexual content of the story that lead to the banning, not the role-playing aspect.</i>

really? i'm wondering where you got confirmation for this supposition. Abashi send you a personal note telling you why the banning took place? because i'd hate to think you were drawing conclusions from a lack of real information. fact is, no one <i>knows</i> what the reason is, and the only thing that's come outta Sony is above.

<i>Wrong, for the same reason.</i>

confirm, please. Abashi ain't said shit to anyone about this, unless you have some s00p3r-s3kr1t correspondence that you haven't yet mentioned. knowing what i do about VI and Sony's methodology, i'd bet serious cash no such correspondence exists.

<i>No, they (presumably) saw a problem with their game being associated with material that some other customers were calling child pornography.</i>

ahh, now we get presumably. nice to admit that you don't know on the third refutation.

don't get me wrong--you can make all the guesses you like. but that's all they are: guesses. "wrong" and "right" on what's clearly an unresolved (and largely unspecified) issue don't even enter into it.

of course, if you have information that you're not sharing to justify this supposition, then never mind. would be curious to know why, if you've got them, you haven't yet used or referred to them, though.

<i>The "mistakes" (as I see them) in your coverage have all come about due to ONE misunderstanding.</i>

ahh, the irony. delicious plain, or with sauce.

---
Dave replies, "No. You are. I'm gonna set fire to the shed."<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#41 by "PiRaMidA"
2000-10-06 00:09:20
piramida@agsm.net http://www.agsm.net
Hmmm, check this out:

<quote>The message/s you requested could not be found or have been removed from our database. We apologize for the inconvenience.</quote>

Yeah, *that* message. (http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=6102849&page=1).

(finally decided to read what was so bad about that story; and I swear it was there 1 hour before when I did not quite read it).<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#42 by "Andy"
2000-10-06 00:09:38
andy@nospam.planetcrap.com http://www.meejahor.com/
<b>#38</b>, Lum the Mad:
<QUOTE>
Sure. But last I heard, extreme sexual content was not grounds for banning from any MMORPG. Hell, EQ loves sex, they use it as a sales tool (just look at the character models).

In MMORPGs hardcore roleplayers post in message forums all the time in character. It quite often is very graphically sexual and for these stories to be targeted is just, well, bizarre.
</QUOTE>
But that's subjective. :-)

It's not your "job" to gather information, form an opinion, and then report your opinion as fact. It's your job to get the information and pass it on, with your opinion as an extra if you're so inclined.
<QUOTE>
At the moment I've only gotten refers from the .plan file and its various and sundry plantrackers. The fallout from IGN closing Vault Network pretty much is drowning out everything else at the moment though.
</QUOTE>
Well, one person getting the wrong info is one too many. ;-)
<QUOTE>
Regardless, I don't think the story as I posted is too far off the mark.
</QUOTE>
It couldn't have been much further off the mark!

The point of your story was: This person got banned for posting this. But the "this" was the wrong one. So people are making a judgement about one thing based on something else.

It would be like me saying "Lum the Mad runs a porn site" and linking to a porn site to prove it. It's a pretty major mistake!
<QUOTE>
Yes, I didn't know that Vhasst and Mystere were the same person
</QUOTE>
Well that's a bit sloppy, to be honest. Didn't you notice the similarity in style? Even that "/ooc" thing should have tipped you off.
<QUOTE>
2) As that player relates, someone took offense at the violent nature of his stories and threatens to retaliate, bringing them to the attention of Verant.
</QUOTE>
Now, here's another thing: You're saying "his". On your site, you refer to both "he" and "she". Which is it? I wasn't 100% sure either, so I wrote the story in such a way that I didn't need to use any gender-specific pronouns. Small point, but... :-)
#43 by "Andy"
2000-10-06 00:10:22
andy@nospam.planetcrap.com http://www.meejahor.com/
<b>#41</b>, PiRaMidA:
<quote>
The message/s you requested could not be found or have been removed from our database. We apologize for the inconvenience.
</quote>
Yep, just noticed that myself. Interesting timing.
#44 by "crash"
2000-10-06 00:10:47
crash@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
oh, and a weird thought that just occurred to me:

how is banning them from EQ going to change the negative effects VI claims these players have on the game? it's not like removing them from the game is going to stop the source of the original complaint, after all, because they didn't do this negative stuff in the game.

to wit: someone gets offended by something on a msgboard, VI bans them from the game... and, uh, i guess the author can just keep on writing. so the banning has exactly zero effect on the problem VI claims they wanted to correct. uh? i'm not entirely understanding this. did i miss something? well, yeah, probably. question is, what <i>am</i> i missing here?

what's VI going to do next to put a stop to this influence, i wonder? once they ban, what else <i>can</i> they do?

guess we're going to see.

---
Dave replies, "No. You are. I'm gonna set fire to the shed."<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#45 by "PiRaMidA"
2000-10-06 00:14:33
piramida@agsm.net http://www.agsm.net
Post <b>#44</b> by crash:
<QUOTE><i>what's VI going to do next to put a stop to this influence, i wonder? once they ban, what else <I>can</I> they do?

guess we're going to see.
</i></QUOTE>

Um, requesting removal of the offending messages from every messageboard they get posted at? :) (#41/#43)<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#46 by "Andy"
2000-10-06 00:15:06
andy@nospam.planetcrap.com http://www.meejahor.com/
<b>#40</b>, crash:

All of the information to answer your questions is publicly available.
#47 by "rei"
2000-10-06 00:53:42
...for those defending "14 seasons" as not "14 years" and as "14 levels"...why the hell would you describe the aproximation of 30ish-40ish (whatever) with 'barely'?

face it, the youth seems to have been implied.

seems fucked up to me.
#48 by "12xu"
2000-10-06 01:07:51
mswitzer@insync.net http://http;//www.hichouston.org
<b>#47</b> "rei" wrote...
<QUOTE>...for those defending "14 seasons" as not "14 years" and as "14 levels"...why the hell would you describe the aproximation of 30ish-40ish (whatever) with 'barely'?

face it, the youth seems to have been implied.

seems fucked up to me. </QUOTE>

To some a 14th level character is young...I can't read the story now as it is gone (unless someone was smart enough to mirror it) so I can't gauge the point of view it was written from...and for an elf that will live hundreds of years 30 or 40 is the equivalent 10 or so...

12xu
out<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#49 by "Andy"
2000-10-06 01:11:52
andy@nospam.planetcrap.com http://www.meejahor.com/
<b>#47</b>, rei:
<QUOTE>
face it, the youth seems to have been implied.
</QUOTE>
Yep, but prepare for a few people to argue otherwise. The whole tone of the story suggested youth, virginity and innocence. Shame people can't judge for themselves now that the story has been removed (and no, I won't be posting it).
#50 by "Lockeworth"
2000-10-06 01:16:09
lockeworth@stratics.com http://at.stratics.com
<b>Andy</b>:
<quote>It's not your "job" to gather information, form an opinion, and then report your opinion as fact. It's your job to get the information and pass it on, with your opinion as an extra if you're so inclined.</quote>
You're digging yourself in deeper with this debate. :)

Lum has remarked several times on his rant site that he does not post news because he HAS to.. because he is PAID to.. nah, he just likes to.

((last I heard, mind... perhaps this has changed))

Which of course, does mean he may be sloppy in reporting and not as exact as a true journalist in his research... but that's why we have PlanetCrap, eh? :p.

Random curiousity: Are you researching the Vault closing?
#51 by "Andy"
2000-10-06 01:27:08
andy@nospam.planetcrap.com http://www.meejahor.com/
<b>#50</b>, Lockeworth:
<QUOTE>
Random curiousity: Are you researching the Vault closing?
</QUOTE>
No. I don't have any contacts there, so not much chance of getting reliable info. I know the latest info is that it's all just a false rumour, but I have absolutely no idea one way or the other.

<b>My guess:</b>

People will currently be very receptive to the idea of networks shutting down, so this would be the best time to plant a rumour, either just for the hell of it or for business reasons. I expect that's what has happened.
#52 by "Vengeance"
2000-10-06 01:29:41
rhiggi@home.com
<b>#48</b> "12xu" <I>Mr. French Tickler</I> wrote ...
<QUOTE><B><A href="spy-internal:Load/164#47">#47</A></B> "rei" wrote...

<quote>...for those defending "14 seasons" as not "14 years" and as "14 levels"...why the hell would you describe the aproximation of 30ish-40ish (whatever) with 'barely'?

face it, the youth seems to have been implied.

seems fucked up to me. </quote>

To some a 14th level character is young...I can't read the story now as it is gone (unless someone was smart enough to mirror it) so I can't gauge the point of view it was written from...and for an elf that will live hundreds of years 30 or 40 is the equivalent 10 or so...

12xu
out</QUOTE>

And a elf 14 seasons old is an infant.

face it, if you don't read the books or play the games, your probably not going to interpret anything said about it correctly.

<b>#49</b> "Andy" <I>Mr. French Tickler</I> wrote ...
<QUOTE>
Yep, but prepare for a few people to argue otherwise. The whole tone of the story suggested youth, virginity and innocence. Shame people can't judge for themselves now that the story has been removed (and no, I won't be posting it).
</QUOTE>
Cant read the article but "youth" doesn't necesarilly mean "child pornagraphy".  I didn't realise dark elves were considered all the innocent but you read the story and dont want anyone to be able to argue with your interpretation (surprise) so... ;-)

Depending on the "world system" elves usually live to 300 or 400 years old.  Minium.  Some live forever (well, they don't die from age).  Not sure about the EQ world becasue if I wanted to pay to be frustrated/abused I'd join an S&M club and get it done right ;).  

I'd imagine, as I only can, I'd find the story distasteful/base, etc etc.  Either way its not cause for getting banned.  Of course, now that person can write stories about how bad EQ sucks ass with impunity.  

V  <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#53 by "legion88"
2000-10-06 01:35:39
legion88@yahoo.com
#23,
<quote>Not to sound like a total jackass but why don't people just play the fucking game normally. Do they have to post some torture story, what do they gain?
</quote>

Well, I guess you're a jackass.  In my opinion, it would be difficult to play the game on a message board.  Moreover, people do other things besides playing games.  Some of the players of role-playing games are also aspiring writers.  They simply used the characters of a game as a basis for their story.

The issue here is that the author in question wrote a story (or stories) that apparently received complaints from various readers.  Verant acted on those complaints.  No surprise here as this occurs in the real world many times.  If you want to get "evilution" out of public schools, just get a group of parents together and complain.  That's it.  If you complain often enough and long enough, you'll get what you want.  

I am guessing that Verant was placed in the same situation as the hypothetical school.  They have been receiving complaints for the past three months and finally acted on it to preserve their self-image.
#54 by "Andy"
2000-10-06 01:36:35
andy@nospam.planetcrap.com http://www.meejahor.com/
<b>#52</b>, Vengeance:
<QUOTE>
you read the story and dont want anyone to be able to argue with your interpretation (surprise) so... ;-)
</QUOTE>
Please don't say things like that. You have no reason to believe it's true. The story was linked from the topic. If you'd read the topic earlier, you'd have been able to read the story.
#55 by "Thorson"
2000-10-06 01:43:50
thorson@ravengames.com
After many, many hours spent cloistered with lawyers and upper echelon Sony management <A HREF="http://boards.station.sony.com/everquest/Forum2/HTML/021102.html" target=_new>Verant Responds</A>.

No big suprises here.
#56 by "Twitch"
2000-10-06 01:47:58
twitch@gamepig.com http://www.gamepig.com
#53, legion88 wrote:

<quote>I am guessing that Verant was placed in the same situation as the hypothetical school. They have been receiving complaints for the past three months and finally acted on it to preserve their self-image. </quote>

If that's true, it seems to have back-fired. If this ban had never happened, I never would have heard about the oh-so-dangerous Elf rape fiction, let alone somehow imputed it to Verant and their squeaky-clean intellectual property. My titanic genius is able to discern that fiction not written or published by Verant is not, in fact, written or published by Verant.

Rather than preserve their image (if that was in fact a goal), they seem to have tarnished it far more than the naughty Elf story ever could have, by coming off as a paternalistic, heavy-handed organization with a jerking knee condition.

As usual, the reaction has created a lot more attention than the action.
#57 by "Terata"
2000-10-06 01:53:55
jstatz@ravensoft.com
52 -- I sat down and read both of them last night.  They're pretty nasty stuff, very vicious and, er, to the point in places.  They are, however, also quite well written so far as those things go.

It's completely irrelevant because the reason this person was banned is, so far as I can tell, ridiculous to the point of being offensive.  Not only were these stories placed only on nonofficial sites, but both had a bit fat disclaimier right at the top warning people they'd be offended.  Even beyond that, the banning itself didn't do anything to remove these stories, though the resultant outrage may have.  All the banning did was remove a player from some server or another, and unfortunately it's one of the all-too-rare literate ones.

Personally, I'm mildly curious if mentioning it in my finger put my account under consideration for the big red button.
#58 by "Andy"
2000-10-06 01:56:51
andy@nospam.planetcrap.com http://www.meejahor.com/
<b>#55</b>, Thorson:
<QUOTE>
After many, many hours spent cloistered with lawyers and upper echelon Sony management <A href="http://boards.station.sony.com/everquest/Forum2/HTML/021102.html" target=_new>Verant Responds</A>.
</QUOTE>
Damn, is it too late to put the Apogee reference back into the topic? :-)

<i>Hail to the negative context, baby...</i>
#59 by "Charlie Wiederhold"
2000-10-06 01:57:05
charliew@3drealms.com
From the recent post by Verant:

<quote>"...we cannot tolerate our intellectual property being used in a story depicting the violent and explicit rape of a child."</quote>

Unless I miss my mark, the depiction of a violent and explicit rape of an adult would have probably been just fine though. That's just my speculation but I'm pretty confident that it's correct. I mean, we have dwarves cut in half hanging in Feerot. I'm pretty sure not all of those dwarves were over 14th season when they were <b>cut in half and put on a spit to roast over a Troll fire</b>.

Not to mention: This is a world where every character from level 1 to level 60 looks like an adult. Hello! What if the rape was of a 8th season male Dwarven warrior? Specifically the dwarven warrior who just happens to have ohhh I don't know... <b>*GREY* hair</b>!

Charlie Wiederhold
#60 by "Lum"
2000-10-06 01:57:19
lum@lumthemad.net http://www.lumthemad.net/
<quote>It's not your "job" to gather information, form an opinion, and then report your opinion as fact. It's your job to get the information and pass it on, with your opinion as an extra if you're so inclined.</quote>

No, my <b>job</b> involves hooking up databases to web front-ends. My <b>hobby</b> is spewing my opinions about massively multiplayer games on the web.

Big difference.

There are many sites which claim to objectively report the gaming news of the day. My site is not one of these.
#61 by "Lum"
2000-10-06 02:00:10
lum@lumthemad.net http://www.lumthemad.net/
<quote>People will currently be very receptive to the idea of networks shutting down, so this would be the best time to plant a rumour, either just for the hell of it or for business reasons. I expect that's what has happened.</quote>

My source for the Vault Network "rumor" was someone who until today was very high up in IGN's management. I've corroborated said "rumor" with other people at VN and email sent to VN affiliates that was bcc'd to me.

Begs the question of why gamers.com seems to be getting all their news from my site lately, but hey, I'm getting used to it.
#62 by "Vengeance"
2000-10-06 02:10:27
rhiggi@home.com
<b>#54</b> "Andy" <I>Mr. French Tickler</I> wrote ...
<QUOTE><B><A href="spy-internal:Load/164#52">#52</A></B>, Vengeance:

<quote>
you read the story and dont want anyone to be able to argue with your interpretation (surprise) so... ;-)
</quote>
Please don't say things like that. You have no reason to believe it's true. The story was linked from the topic. If you'd read the topic earlier, you'd have been able to read the story.

</QUOTE>
I was just saying it before someone else did, <i>except</i> I was being sarcastic (winking smiley).

Raise your hands if you were waiting for someone to say Andy was using the topic to further his own neferious plans by missleading the public at large ... [cricket chirping].  Ok.. how about the topic is stupid because we can't read the article ..... [more chirping]. Ok... At the very least someone will get in an arguement with Andy later (possiblly months) and point out he doesn't always provide the information to back up his opinions, obviously, making him the right hand servant of the devil? ..... [chirp chirp chirp].  Its not much of a conspiracy if we don't work together people.

Seriously, I understand your reasons for not posting the article, or at least I think I do.  But it makes the whole issue a mute point.  How can we have an informed opinion if we don't have the information?


V  <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#63 by "Andy"
2000-10-06 02:12:35
andy@nospam.planetcrap.com http://www.meejahor.com/
<b>#60</b>, Lum:
<QUOTE>
No, my <B>job</B> involves hooking up databases to web front-ends. My <B>hobby</B> is spewing my opinions about massively multiplayer games on the web.

Big difference.
</QUOTE>
Okay. No need to get defensive. I'm honestly not trying to have a go at you, I've just been explaining my viewpoint.
<QUOTE>
There are many sites which claim to objectively report the gaming news of the day. My site is not one of these.
</QUOTE>
I'm not talking about objectivity, I'm talking about basic factual accuracy. When you get the one major fact at the centre of the story wrong... well, what's the point of writing about it at all?

You run a rant site -- fine, I can accept and respect that. But you have to rant about the truth, otherwise what's the point?
<QUOTE>
My source for the Vault Network "rumor" was someone who until today was very high up in IGN's management. I've corroborated said "rumor" with other people at VN and email sent to VN affiliates that was bcc'd to me.
</QUOTE>
Well, we'll see. Your source versus my instincts. My money's on me. :-)

If by "until today" you mean he/she has been sacked or demoted, I think the odds just got stacked a little more in my favour...
#64 by "IlIIllllI1"
2000-10-06 02:18:07
i am 1337 0wned!!!

Xyth stalked into his bedchambers, a permanent scowl on his face. The room was as he had left it. The immense oak desk in the corner held little in the way of clutter. Being a warrior, the desk was merely there to show his wealth, not his penchant for studies. The bed dominated the center of the room, raised on a small dais to attract attention. It was a large, round affair, with pillows of soft griffin down. It was easily large enough for an entire orgy of orgres, with room to spare.

And his prized possession chained next to it. She froze when she saw him, large eyes already wet with tears. Her skin was dark and rich. Xyth could already feel the burning need in his crotch. He grabbed on end of the chain and tugged sharply. The needle-sharp spikes on the collar dug into his pet. The bottle she had been painting her nails with fell over and stained the white carpet like blood. “Look at the mess!” he shrieked at her. “What is the meaning of this?!” His voice rose to a crescendo, shaking the very stone around them.

The pitiful Teir’Dal girl, barely into her 14th season didn’t even try to resist. Xyth had bought her flesh 13 seasons ago, and long ago she had learned the pain associated with even the appearance of resistance. Though she had been willful in the past, the warrior knew that she had given over winning her independence and instead sought only to please him. It was all the more delicious knowing that she willingly defiled her own body just to continue at his side.

“I wished to make myself more attractive to m’Lordship,” she whispered, taking care to avoid eye contact. She showed him her freshly painted nails.

Xyth grinned wickedly, then back-handed her with his mailed fist. There was a loud crunch as the side of her face restructured itself. Still, she emitted not a sound of pain, just merely removed the rags he allowed her for covering. Her once soft, perfect flesh was a chaotic pattern of burns, welts, and scars. Brands of a dozen House names (all those she had been “lent” out to, and those who owed him favors) were burned in various parts of her anatomy. The picture arouse the warrior all the more, and he motioned for her to disrobe him and continue to service him.

He allowed her to lay him down, not moving as she struggled to remove his clothing. When she had trouble removing some articles, she bent to retrieve a knife. It was a wicked looking sacrificial dagger that curved back on itself. Like most of his prized possessions (like the slave-girl herself), it was illegal to have, but that made it all the more worthwhile to him.

There was a brief moment of suspense as she held the knife above his heart, and Xyth felt his heart skip a beat. Then she was moving on, removing the last stubborn pieces of cloth from his well-muscled body. He knew she would never willingly harm him, he had her too frightened and too well-trained. Still, it was the thrill that he got off on.

When she had finished, he threw her down onto the bed and mounted her. He took her savagely, and when she had trouble getting lubricated, he used a knife to cut her labia, using the blood as lubricant. She seemed to enjoy it all the more, and soon she was screaming in ecstasy and clawing at his back. Xyth found the pain a surprising addition, and found himself in the grip of orgasm sooner than he had expected. His muscles in his abdomen contracted even as his back and neck muscles did so. He arched back, and moaned in pleasure as his semen burned into his victim.

But something was wrong. His muscles continued to contract and pull, twisting his mouth into a rictus snarl. His heart pounded in his temple, and his eyes saw nothing but red. His last vision was that of his beloved slave smiling wickedly.

She easily threw him off of her and stood for the first time on her own. Xyth’s mind raced, searching for an answer to such inexplicable actions. And then, as his back arched to near breaking, he saw it. Lying on the floor, the paint his treacherous woman had used. Poisoned!

Without a word, his unnamed slave claimed possession of the key and unlocked the chain around her neck. With and audible click, she was free at last. She stayed long enough to gather a decent set of leather armor before closing the door behind her. There was a sharp cracking of bone as she did so. She never looked back to see her former master hewn in half by his own muscle spasms.

Thus was the Nameless Rogue born unto Neriak. May Innoruuk save you all.
#65 by "Andy"
2000-10-06 02:19:49
andy@nospam.planetcrap.com http://www.meejahor.com/
<b>#62</b>, Vengeance:
<QUOTE>
I was just saying it before someone else did, <I>except</I> I was being sarcastic (winking smiley).
</QUOTE>
Hmm. Didn't look that way, but okay. :-/
<QUOTE>
Seriously, I understand your reasons for not posting the article, or at least I think I do.
</QUOTE>
You don't. :-)
<QUOTE>
But it makes the whole issue a mute point. How can we have an informed opinion if we don't have the information?
</QUOTE>
So... what do you suggest? IGN pulls the story so I should pull the topic? How do you recommend I handle the situation?

Maybe someone else has a copy of the story? Ask them to post it.
#66 by "Andy"
2000-10-06 02:21:32
andy@nospam.planetcrap.com http://www.meejahor.com/
Your wish has been granted. :-)
#67 by "IlIIllllI1"
2000-10-06 02:25:27
yay 1337 x 2!!!!

FIRST STORY

/ooc WARNING!!! This post is NOT rated G, PG, or even PG-13. It's rated R.
Some don't like these kinds of posts, and this is your opportunity to get
out now while you can. Just realize the two people involved are NOT nice,
happy-go-lucky forest faeries. They are mean, nasty Teir'Dal. Thank you and
I hope you enjoy. 


The door closed with an audible click. Looking around, Mystere saw the room
was small, but sparse, giving it the illusion of being larger than it really
was. The ceiling was dominated by the unHoly visage of Innoruuk, his leering
smile seeming to penetrate her very being. There was a small altar, just
large enough for a ritual sacrifice. Very near the altar was a large table,
its surface almost as large as the altar itself. Upon it was an open book,
which the Prophet was currently engrossed in. His lips moved soundlessly as
he practiced the proper incantations.

From a hidden corner, a servant's door opened, and several robed figures
walked in. They moved soundlessly, and each bore a necklace with a symbol of
Innoruuk on it. With surreal gracefulness, they glided over the stone floor.
They brought burning incense, and one carried a tray full of steel surgical
tools, light from the candles mirroring off their surface. These were all
placed carefully, almost lovingly, in their proper positions around the
room. A pair of seeming identical twin robed figures broke off and
approached the necromancer. They carefully helped her out of her robes and
other equipment.

When one of them reached for her sacrificial dagger, she pulled it out of
reach. Hesitating only a moment, the nameless acolyte reached for it again.
"This is my instrument to work with," she stated flatly. "Unless ye wish to
personally experience it in action, I suggest ye back off." There was
another hesitation, and the pair looked over to Pravdameer, who had his own
pair of nameless twins helping him.

"Leave it," he said without looking over, "she will have need of her
instruments soon." The pair bowed and left the room.

Mystere waited impassively as the priest finished his own ministrations. She
looked up at the leering visage of the God of the Teir'Dal people and
shivered. Even the thought of Him gazing down on her while she was so
vulnerable sent goose bumps over her body. To pass the time, she began
twirling her blade in her hands as Morrigu had taught her. Although fairly
dexterous, the necromancer wasn't practiced in the maneuver, and nearly cut
off her own finger.

"Easy with that weapon," the Prophet said suddenly. "This is a Holy place.
It is vital that the participants do not spill their own blood, lest they
too become sacrifices." She merely nodded in response. The priest came over
with a paintbrush and a small bottle of ink. While another man would have
stopped and admired the body before him, Pravdameer had no such interfering
thoughts. He sat on the ground before her and began to trace the ritualistic
runes on her body. While he worked he talked idly. "These are protective
runes. They are to protect our essences from being infected along with the
Lightdwellers," she noted that he spat out the last word with as much venom
as he could muster. "The paint itself is relatively mundane, being a
combination of Teir'Dal blood and phosphorus."

The process took hours, and through it all she was silent. When he had
finally finished, her body was covered in the paint. Though the bottle was
small, it never seemed to run out of ink. Obviously a minor enchantment.
When the priest had finished, another cleric, of relative power she noted,
entered and began to do the same with Pravdameer. Save for the Prophet's
idle chatter, the process was silent.

"Our cleansing requires a blood sacrifice to The Father," he said when his
own painting was finished. Mystere nodded numbly. "The text indicates that
The Father must be appeased in a greater amount than normal for this
ritual," he continued. "There are some indications that only the most
blessed are allowed to perform this. As a result, I have called for Mrimm
Jiv'elgg."

Mystere raised an eyebrow. It was almost unheard of to perform the Mrimm
Jiv'elgg, roughly translated to Common as ritual sacrifice. But the words
meant so much more than that. More along the lines of divinely inspirational
torture.

The Prophet eyed Mystere carefully. "Is there a problem?" he stated flatly.

"Nay, none at all," she replied coldly.

"Very well, let us begin."

The servant's door opened again, and a pair of Koada'Dal were shoved in
roughly. One male and female. By custom, they would be a married couple,
with one or both being a cleric to Tunare. The necromancer's blood turned to
ice in her stomach. She wanted to call out against the injustice about to be
done. To scream at Innrouuk for this cruelty, this sin against the Dark
Goddess. But to do so would fail in that same Goddess' wishes. She could
only trust that for some reason, these two were worth destroying to keep
Lanneth alive.

She looked at the two lovers. The male was bravely hiding the female behind
him, calling to Tunare to protect them both. The woman, as was her way,
huddled in terror, screaming against the injustice of the Teir'Dal nation.
Mystere called upon her magics, surrounding the male's mind in abject
terror. He screamed and raged, clawing at his own face to hide from his
innermost terror.

The Prohpet looked impressed. "An interesting way to hold him still," he
said with a grin. "Most would have merely rooted them to the spot."

With the male out of the way, he grabbed the woman and firmly shackled her
to the altar. Once she was firmly in place, Pravdameer grabbed two scalpels
from the surgical tray brought in earlier. Mystere sensed her spell was
about to fall, so she switched to the more traditional root spell, so the
male could be immobilized, but fully aware of what was about to occur. The
Prophet nodded. He bent over the woman and placed the wicked looking blades
in front of her eyes. "See this?" he said, his voice dripping with malice.
"As ye can see, there are two blades. One has been sharpened to the finest
point possible, using magics to temper the blade. The other," he said,
indicating the second instrument, "was one of my first works as a smith. As
you can see, I wasn't able to sharpen it much, and the blade itself is
pitted and dull. Your behavior from here on in will determine which of these
blades I use. Either of you struggle or cause me trouble, I use the blade I
made. Cooperate and accept your fate, and I'll be merciful and use the
sharper one. Your fate lies in your own hands."

Mystere watched as the eyes of the Koada'Dal shot up, mad terror filling
their vision. "Excellent!" said the Prophet. "Now, I shall give you a brief
description of what lies ahead. The deadly beauty beside me is a
necromancer, well respected with The Dead. The honor you are about to
receive through myself, her, and indeed this ritual is something you shall
grow to appreciate. I understand that your primitive, bestial minds cannot
fathom the greatness of Innoruuk," at this the priest's eyes glinted with
religious fervor, "but suffice it to say that this is an honor your
worthless hides are ill-fit to receive."

"Now, as for you my hairless dog-bitch," he said, indicating the woman, "I
am going to carefully remove each of your organs from your ivory skin," at
this, the female began to cry silently, shaking her head as if to deny what
was coming. "Oh yes," he said continuing. "But do not seek solace in the
confines of death, for it is my assistant's job to ensure that you stay
alive and conscious through the process. She will do this by feeding you her
very own life essence. You will keep alive through the strength of a
Teir'Dal noble."

The cleric stood back and began pacing the floor, wrapped up in his speech.
He looked like an impassioned scholar trying to explain magic theory to his
idiot student. "You may well wonder how long she can keep this up without
killing herself," he stated. "I'm glad you asked that question!" he said, as
if rewarding an animal with good behavior. "She is going to use your husband
as fuel for her own life force. So I suppose, in a way, your own husband
will be the driving force behind the pain that will befall you soon," he
cackled at his own irony.

"Now then, are there any questions?" The male responded by bellowing with
rage and struggling against his magical bonds. Mystere merely sent another
wave of terror surrounding him. "Aw, that's too bad," Pravdameer said,
feigning disappointment. "For that little outburst, I shall begin with the
scalpel I made. Just think," he said with a gleam in his eye, "if we do this
-really- well, we'll reach your brain before death approaches you!"

Turning to the necromancer, he said, "We shall begin with her kidneys,
moving on from there to her bladder and womb." Mystere merely nodded.

It was a complicated, agonizing process. Discounting the atrocity that was
occurring, it took great skill to accomplish the task. Pravdameer had to
work at exactly the right pace, not too fast, or the subject would die, nor
too slow, or the healing would close the wounds he was working on currently.
For Mystere's part, she had to chain cast, complicated spells, alternately
slowly drawing out the life of the male, while sending her own life into the
female. All the while, she had to ensure the magical bonds that held him
would hold.

Three hours later, Pravdameer removed the woman's skull, finally allowing
her to expire. She uttered no sound, for both her lungs and her voice box
had been removed, and her eyes did not close, for they too had been removed.
The priest smiled widely. "We have done well."

Mystere staggered under the weight of what she had just accomplished. Both
her and the male fell to their knees, drained of most of their energies.
Summoning the last of her mana, she channeled it into the Koada'Dal,
draining him of the last of his life, and healing herself. She stood wearily
and looked to the cleric. "It is done," she intoned formally.

The Prophet placed the organs and blood he had collected and placed them
into a specially prepared container. After securing the top, he rotated the
lever on the side, setting in motion the mechanism inside. Within minutes,
the organs that had until recently kept the woman alive, were transformed
into a thick paste. Pravdameer offered up the paste to the visage of
Innoruuk and blessed it in ritual prayer.

After bathing in the mixture, the pair were rinsed and thoroughly washed in
water brought in by more servants. The corpses were removed by more silent
robed acolytes. After the servants had finished bathing the pair, Pravdameer
took Mystere aside and showed her the tome and its contents....

....to be continued
#68 by "Charlie Wiederhold"
2000-10-06 02:33:44
charliew@3drealms.com
Well, after reading the stories: I of course agree with Verant's ability to take action on things they find objectionable using their property. However I disagree with the use of that ability in this case. More damage than good.

Charlie Wiederhold
#69 by "crash"
2000-10-06 02:36:45
crash@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
so, Verant bans people for using their property in rape scenes? okay. then let's see <a href="http://boards.station.sony.com/everquest/Forum2/HTML/018722.html">this guy</a> get banned as well, shall we? if you're too lazy to click, how about i just give you the relevant text:

"...Axe shook his head; “No, I found her outside of Qeynos near the walls. Dunno what happened to her, though… raped maybe. Think you can bind her shoulder? I can see bone.”

“Maybe. It’ll cost though.”

“Charge her whenever she wakes up, I bought the ale again.”

“No need. I’ll take what I want.” Hadden said, unbuttoning the front of his furs. Axe of course, simply looked to the fire sputtering in the center of the hut. It was none of his business what Hadden did with her, she would get her shoulder cleaned and bound. Nothing is free in Norrath, or so the saying went.

Axe uncorked an ale and glanced at where Hadden had the semi-conscious girl held to the rugs shielding the floor of the hut. Long, slender legs were spread, and Hadden went to work. Quiet grunts and huffs of effort as he drove himself into her. Axe sighed into his ale, looking down and trying to ignore the soft moans of the female, not exactly moans of pleasure, either. Blood stained the rugs, marking her as not wide enough for the forced girth of the Barbarian. All at once, he was done.

After a few minutes of catching his breath, Hadden went about binding the girl’s wounds where he could, using the water from the fishing pond to clean her off. The dust and sweat stains removed from her face, Axe had to admit she was quite stunning… even for being a Half-Breed..."

numerous times in the preceding text, the victim is clearly referred to as "girl-child". even this section refers to her as a girl. and this is on VI's own fucking boards.

when's the ban? this story clearly adheres to all the banning requirements stated by Sony's General Counsel.

come on, VI. pony up. i'm waiting.
#70 by "Andy"
2000-10-06 02:46:45
andy@nospam.planetcrap.com http://www.meejahor.com/
<b>#69</b>, crash:

Have you notified Verant of the post that you find objectionable?
#71 by "Valeyard"
2000-10-06 02:57:16
valeyard@ck3.net http://www.ck3.net
If the story was fan fiction, posted OUTSIDE of the game, the Verant seems to be overstepping their bounds.

Doesn't this sound like they're banning someone based on something they did AWAY from the game?

How "high and mighty" is that?  Are they going to start doing a background check on their subscribers?  "We're sorry, it seems that you watched an adult movie last week...you're not our kind of people. **ACCOUNT TERMINATED**"

I understand that's a little different from someone who writes a story about characters in the game, but it still just seems wrong.

-Valeyard<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#72 by "Union Carbide"
2000-10-06 02:57:21
smythe@bangg.org http://www.bangg.org
<b>#70</b> "Andy" wrote...
<QUOTE><B><A href="spy-internal:Load/164#69">#69</A></B>, crash:

Have you notified Verant of the post that you find objectionable?
</QUOTE>

He didn't say he found it offensive.  He merely inquired why Verant's new policy was enforced against the author of a 3 month old story on a bulletin board not owned by Verant or Sony, yet they <b>don't</b> take action against the author of a story with a similar subject matter on their <b>own fucking boards</b>.

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#73 by "crash"
2000-10-06 02:57:37
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nope, but i don't find the post objectionable. i don't particularly care for it, to be sure. never have been a big fan of rape scenes, artistically merited or otherwise. (and before you all ask, no, i don't have the uncut version of Road Warrior; i made sure to buy the one without "that" scene in it. don't like to read about it or think about it; certainly don't want to SEE it, y'know?) don't particularly care too much for either of the barcode-posted stories, to be honest--and props to barcode for postin 'em.

but just because *i* don't like 'em doesn't mean i don't think they're not... hmm. what's the word? not correct, and certainly not proper. how about "consistent with the universe that VI claims to have created"? that close? hope that gets the meaning across. it's not like they're surprising, based on dark elf lore and suchlike--it's not like anyone playin the game would say "whoa, dark elves do SO TOTALLY not do that kind of stuff!"

what i do find objectionable are double standards, company posturing, and general bullshit when a company is being vindictive. they say they don't like rape scenes, they say they don't like their property being used that way (even when they do it themselves... unless, of course, you think a halfling female with a dark elf child inside her "did it because they were in love" okay, which--let's remember--is a quest inside their very own game), yet they both do it themselves as well as permit it on their own boards.

oh, and the story linked above is also referenced multiple times in the thread that Sony's response came from--so you know someone has had to have seen it by now.

so let's just see what the real story is here, shall we? do they really believe what they spew? or is this just some heavy-handed power play?

me, i just wonder who the author of those stories pissed off, because that's what it's sounding a whole lot like to me.
#74 by "BloodKnight"
2000-10-06 03:34:21
bloodknight@somethingawful.com
Thank god that Q3A, UT, HL, and *GASP* Duke Nukem is involved in this Fan fiction BS

Imagine an R-Rated story of Duke Nukem or Q3A



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