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Those Heartless Epic Bastards
August 26th 2000, 04:06 CEST by andy We've had the monthly 3DR-bashing topic so that can only mean one thing... It's time to give the Epic boys another swift kick in their collective gut! The team behind RealCTF, a popular Unreal mod, recently released their follow-up project, Real Tournament for UT. But alas, there are problems in the land of mod, and at the same time as releasing Real Tournament, the team's programmer Brett "mouse" Foster went public with what he describes as the "sad story" of why the add-on wasn't released commercially. Oh, btw -- that thing about giving Epic a kick in the gut? Only joking. Epic is actually the victim here... The upshot of the "sad story" is that Epic somehow misled the Real Tournament team, giving them the impression that the add-on would be released commercially and with Epic's endorsement. What's worrying is that in the hands of someone whose brain isn't firing on all cylinders -- which, let's face it, is true of a lot of the 'younger' gamers -- this story could unfairly make Epic look bad. "Those heartless Epic bastards are screwing the mod community!" You can imagine the trollish rantings on message boards everywhere... But the e-mails from Epic, also posted by Brett Foster, actually show that this wasn't the case at all. For instance, back in June 1999 when the Real Tournament team first pitched their new idea, Epic's Cliff Bleszinski replied:
It's hardly a promise, is it? Truth be told, it's more like a diplomatic brush-off. The very worst criticism that could be made of Epic is that in the later stages of the project, they did give the impression that there was a chance of it being released commercially, and then went very quiet when it became clear that it wasn't going to happen. At that point, a blunt "no" would have been a good idea, instead of leaving e-mails from the Real Tournament team unanswered. So, slapped wrists all round, I think. But Epic certainly haven't behaved as badly as Brett Foster's story may be seen to suggest. And finally: When you've finished reading through the "sad story", decide for yourself if you think the Real Tournament team were more concerned with making a great product, or most interested in getting a commercial release... |
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<b>andy</b> (#Main Post): <QUOTE>You can imagine the trollish rantings on message boards everywhere...</QUOTE> Tell me about it <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<quote> PC is like a Robert Anton Wilson novel. </quote> That's some high praise, I'd think -- not entirely merited, but high praise. There <i>is</i> a touch of Hagbard in here though . . . |
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Chet, When someone responds to outright lies or serious misinformation by trying to set the record straight or at least give their side that is hardly controlling. Since I can name 3 of your pieces that are outright lies </quote> Hmmm...good point about some of Andy's posts. You know the tabloids get sued fairly often and the stars win, because the tabloids posted things that were just rumors, untrue, or poorly researched. Such as one magazine stating that Arnold's Schwarzennegger's heart surgery was serious and that the star could be in trouble. Arnold showed that he was in terriffic health and that the piece could likely lower his marketability if people thought he was in bad medical shape. He won millions and donated it to charity. George Broussard, 3D Realms |
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re: #157 I don't get why people get so worked up by Andy's (or better his #0 Posts) shortcomings*. The discussion is most of the time more interesting than the actual #0 Post. Some one has to be "Post Zero"! *I mean when he posts a poorly researched/thought-out article. |
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<b>#161</b> "BloodKnight" <QUOTE>http://www.pcgr.com </QUOTE> It's a review site. All I found were reviews. Reviews and previews and links to press-releases IS PR fluff. If you have some journalisim in there, let me know... link it directly!! <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Flamethrower (#159) : Going from your statements, I would say that I'm more of a reviewer/critic than a journalist indeed. Depends on how you look at it. Looking through your eyes, 90% of all the magazines out there are made by reviewers/critics, instead of by journalists. Someone covering news, is a critic or a reviewer, but not a journalist. I thought journalists were people that report news. Looking at what you are saying, the only thing a journalist does, is write critical columns that don't agree with the main industry. I thought making reviews/previews and interviewing people was a part of the job of a journalist, but according to what you're saying, it is not. About the news on fragland : We have 1 overview, where we include most previews, interviews and shots, and for interesting articles, we make seperate posts (aswell for new releases/patches ofcourse) I don't see why we would make a seperate post for each interview/preview done on some site, when there's nothing new or interesting in it. Btw : Bluesnews, Shugashack, VoodooExtreme, Telefragged,... etc. are all sites run by non-journalists according to you. Let's just be glad there's freedom of speech and opinion, otherwise it would be a sad world, with everyone having to have the same opinion... Speed, Fragland.net |
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Anakin2001 #131 spewed: "OHHHHH GOOD, CLIFFY B THE FAGOT IS ON... Hey Cliffy B. are you mad because IDSoft didn't hire you so you went out and copied all their games and put a million nali healing plants in them all?" Anakin, What the hell is your problem? Have you actually played Unreal and UT as opposed to any of the Quake games? While Quake was groundbreaking in it's day, Unreal & UT have both raised the bar tremendously. I do like Q3A, but it can't hold a candle to UT. What does it matter if Cliffy B (name used with permission) ;) used some ideas from ID's games? Name me one game out on the market today that is COMPLETELY original. You can't, can you? Because there are none, you backwoods, dimwitted troll. Go crawl back under the rock that you came from and hump your brother again. Cliff and co. - Don't listen to this fuckwit. You guys do great work. After Doom, I HATED fps games until I played UT. I have since went back and learned what a jewel Unreal is. I do like the "other" games out there (Q3A, SOF, ect, ad nauseum), but it was you guys who brought me around. So take a frigging bow already! =) [@~]MizuGami ------------ Those that would shed blood with me, I shall call them 'brother'. |
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<b>[@~]MizuGami</b> (#168): <QUOTE>Name me one game out on the market today that is COMPLETELY original. </QUOTE> If Deus Ex doesn't count (I am taking a FPS genre) as an orginal, I don't know what is <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>#167</b> "Speed" wrote... <QUOTE>Btw : Bluesnews, Shugashack, VoodooExtreme, Telefragged,... etc. are all sites run by non-journalists according to you.</QUOTE> Now you're getting it. - [g.man]<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>#169</b> "BloodKnight" wrote... <QUOTE>If Deus Ex doesn't count (I am taking a FPS genre) as an orginal, I don't know what is </QUOTE> Deus Ex took a lot of elements from Thief, System Shock, and Outcast (mostly Outcast) and rolled it all together. Thief, System Shock, and Outcast of course got most of their core gameplay from other games as well. It's evolution. - [g.man]<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>G-Man</b> (#171): <QUOTE>Deus Ex took a lot of elements from Thief, System Shock, and Outcast (mostly Outcast) and rolled it all together. </QUOTE> It seems more of the SS2, Thief, and Quake. The idea/theme of the game is very unique, combining future technology with modern technology together <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>#167</b> "Speed" <QUOTE>Going from your statements, I would say that I'm more of a reviewer/critic than a journalist indeed. Depends on how you look at it. Looking through your eyes, 90% of all the magazines out there are made by reviewers/critics, instead of by journalists. Someone covering news, is a critic or a reviewer, but not a journalist. I thought journalists were people that report news. </QUOTE> I think journalists are people who QUESTION the news before posting it. That's just my opinion. <QUOTE>Looking at what you are saying, the only thing a journalist does, is write critical columns that don't agree with the main industry. </QUOTE> Critical doesn't have to be negative, no is it <i>opinion</i> columns. They don't <i>have</i> to disagree with industry practise, but they should report it and the consequences of it. For example, do trying to take exceptionally violent games out of controlled-sales environments into uncontrolled (but 'advised') environment do nothing but antagonise politicians, and make censorship laws more likely? Or is it vital for Canadian free speech to fight this case? There are lots of other elements to the gaming industry, the 'exclusives' deals with magazines, the tragic circumstances/contracts which publisher often push on developers, there are a thousand STORIES out there. Journaists surely look into these. You're a product site. Be proud! There's nothing wrong with that... people need the latest information, a reasoned review. If being a journalist is being that and being honest too, then yes, you're a journalist. It's just I think can't help thinking such forums should be platforms for advocating innovation and change in the industry. <QUOTE>Btw : Bluesnews, Shugashack, VoodooExtreme, Telefragged,... etc. are all sites run by non-journalists according to you. </QUOTE> There're edited links sites: sieved daily portals. <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Flamethrower : <QUOTE>I think journalists are people who QUESTION the news before posting it. That's just my opinion</QUOTE> 1. Posting that there's a new preview of some game around has nothing much about it that can be questioned 2. Same with screenshots and interviews (unless there's something actually interesting in there - as I said before - but 90% of all interviews have the same questions so that's why we put them in an overview) Questioning is indeed something a journalist does, and I do that if there's some interesting newsbit (I post them in seperate posts btw). Unfortunately most stuff that gets in the news is not interesting enough to put a seperate piece on. We at fragland are busy at the moment to re-vamp our site so that we can put more comments on newsposts ourselves, without making the headlines harder to read/find (you'll be able to see the result in a few months). It's not because we don't have seperate articles about stuff that we don't question the news. You can't see that if you're not a regular visitor (or you would have to stumble on an interesting news bit, which we haven't seen in a while). As an example of this, I can tell you that when we heard that the European Community was going to donate several millions to 4 unknown developers to create some "incredible" new game, that got a major post in our news, accompanied with severe criticism from me. However, I didn't make a seperate "article" about it. Currently our "articles"-section is more a column/story-section, that could indeed have a better name :p (btw : most articles aren't mine. I can't do everything myself because of lack of time, but I intend to spend more time on them :p) <QUOTE>Critical doesn't have to be negative, no is it opinion columns. They don't have to disagree with industry practise, but they should report it and the consequences of it. For example, do trying to take exceptionally violent games out of controlled-sales environments into uncontrolled (but 'advised') environment do nothing but antagonise politicians, and make censorship laws more likely? Or is it vital for Canadian free speech to fight this case? There are lots of other elements to the gaming industry, the 'exclusives' deals with magazines, the tragic circumstances/contracts which publisher often push on developers, there are a thousand STORIES out there. Journaists surely look into these.</QUOTE> I'm against censorship if it's put on someone. I'm 100% in favor of self-censorship. You're completely correct about the fact that there are 1000 stories out there (especially with the "exclusive deals"-thingie :p) but the problem is that most of the time, the people that want to write an article about that, don't have all the info or time to do so, and those that have, don't WANT to write about it (which is a pitty) <QUOTE>You're a product site. Be proud! There's nothing wrong with that... people need the latest information, a reasoned review. If being a journalist is being that and being honest too, then yes, you're a journalist. It's just I think can't help thinking such forums should be platforms for advocating innovation and change in the industry</QUOTE> I thought of fragland more as a news/community site (or at least we're growing into that :p) About our reviews : We don't write reviews that are a specific amount of signs like most magazines, and that's with a reason : A gamer wants to know wether a game is good or bad, and why. We don't write reviews that are pages long (most sites/magazines do it to get more bannerviews I guess) just because people get bored. We get right to the basis and let people know wether we liked it or not. I think that except for Oldmanmurray (Hi Chet !) not too many sites do the same like us. One last thing : Fragland has never been and never will be bound to someone saying what we can and cannot write. Everything we have comes from ourselves or people that love us (including our own servers) and we don't earn 1 dime on it (everything we might earn from bannerviews goes right back into fragland) so I hope no-one will ever assume that our work is being censored by anyone. Speed Fragland.net |
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This is one slow day, I find myself refreshing the PC page for a new quote. I also just realized there is this green stuff from nature on my socks...I ACTUALLY WENT OUTSIDE?! <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Do I have it wrong, or is it not true that when one plans to create a comercial product using someone else's engine, that they are generally expected to pay a heafty ransom to license the engine before hand? I always thought that was the difference between a mod, and a comercial product. Doing so in this case, would probably have saved a number of people a pile of heartache, and late night sessions spent creating an unauthorized and unsellable game. Incidents like this are probably what causes the fine print to take up so much paper. <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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FUCK I'm PISSED! I've spent the last three god damn hours trying to get Unreal Tournament running on my system. I used to have it installed, but uninstalled it in order to put Heavy Metal: FAKK 2 on my system. Well, I played through FAKK, and was in the mood for some UT CTF. Little did I know that I'd FUCK OFF FOR THREE fucking hours trying to get the little motherfucker to work! I installed, from scratch, then downloaded the 6 428 meg patch. I have a TNT2 Ultra, with the lastest NVidea Windows 98 drivers, I'm running directx 7a, yet if I try it in Direct3D mode, the screen goes black and LOCKS UP, making me reboot the whole fucking machine. I can't run it in safe move, even if I uncheck all the options, and software mode doesn't even run. WTF??? I've uinstalled it, and tried it on another drive, thinking I may need some room on the drive for it to cache or some such silly shit, but no! GOT DMAN"SA:LKDFSj;lf;jlkafd;ljkfd;ljkf FUC I'm deleting the little bastard... Fuck this.. Where's my Dreamcast!<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>#176</b> "BarneyQue" wrote... <QUOTE>Do I have it wrong, or is it not true that when one plans to create a comercial product using someone else's engine, that they are generally expected to pay a heafty ransom to license the engine before hand?</QUOTE> In fact if all we needed was a license, things might have been different. However, GT Interactive (later Infogrames) holds the rights to publishing add-ons for Unreal and UT. A license can be obtained for developing completely new content (e.g. Deus Ex, Rune), but not for Unreal/UT add-ons. mouse<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH, DID UNREAL AND UT HELP A LITTLE LOSER LIKE YOU LIKE FPS AGAIN???? I CAN NAME ONE COMPLETELY ORIGINAL IDEA OUT ON THE MARKET TODAY... HAVE YOU HEARD OF A LITTLE GAME CALLED MEGAMAN. IT IS THE FIRST AND IS THE BEST. SECOND OF ALL, CLIFFY B DIDN'T USE A 'FEW' IDEAS. HE BASICALLY TOOK Q3A, RAN IT THROUGH A CRAPINATOR (NAME USED WITH PERMISSION OF COURSE) AND SLAPPED A DIFFERENT LABEL ON IT. I THINK IDIOTS LIKE YOU THAT 'UT' INSPIRED YOU TO PLAY FPS'S SHOULD HAVE STAYED AWAY FROM THEM. CLIFFY B. IS A CHEATER A LIAR AND SUCKS. MY MOM HAS TO PICK MY LITTLE BROTHER UP FROM SCHOOL EARLY NOW BECAUSE WHEN SHE DOESN'T, CLIFFY B TRIES TO RAPE HIM. Boss of Epic Games: TIHS UNRAEL GAEM LOOKS TO BE A VARY GOOD GAEM. IT IS VARY HARD THOUGH CLIFFY B, SMAERTY MAN GAEM DESIGNER: I CAN FIX TAHT! BOYS (THAT'S WHAT HE CALLS HIS SEX SLAVES), LET'S PUT IN A LOT OF NALI HEALING PLANTS SO NOBODY IN THAT GAME DIES!!!!! DIE CLIFFY B FAGOT. |
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<b>#178</b> "mouse" wrote... <QUOTE><B><A href="spy-internal:Load/141#176">#176</A></B> "BarneyQue" wrote... <quote>Do I have it wrong, or is it not true that when one plans to create a comercial product using someone else's engine, that they are generally expected to pay a heafty ransom to license the engine before hand?</quote> In fact if all we needed was a license, things might have been different. However, GT Interactive (later Infogrames) holds the rights to publishing add-ons for Unreal and UT. A license can be obtained for developing completely new content (e.g. Deus Ex, Rune), but not for Unreal/UT add-ons. mouse</QUOTE> But this distinction seems to exist only when planning for a comercial release, as far as I know, there are no special requirements for making an addon that you plan to release into the community for free. So, yes, while you have to hump through extra hurdles when creating an add-on as opposed to creating new game from scratch, the process for hammering out these details is a similar one, which at some point results in cash changing hands, and a general project 'go ahead' signal with all the parameters laid out beforehand. I'm not ragging on you guys or anything, it just seems that you set out to do something that is generally not allowed, and in doing so, acted out some of the steps in the wrong order which not surprisingly did not work out as hoped. If you guys are capable of doing something of comercial quality, then I by all means wish you the best of luck in the future. The game industry seems to be a real tough one to crack, and luck seems to play at least some part of it. <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Since I'm bored, and I find CrapSpy's voyeuristic appeal faltering as the night goes on here, I'll contribute my two cents. It's a shame RealTournament isn't going to be, in all likelihood, an official, money-generating UT addon. Mouse, Swartz and the gang are all very talented, and I'm sure the finished product you'll get off PlanetUnreal will be terrific fun. However, it's not the only work that's run into this situation. <a href="http://www.planetunreal.com/excessive">Excessive Overkill</a> for UT is freaking insane, but requires a whole lotta computer to run locally, and about 1.5 times the bandwidth of regular UT to function well, so it misses the GotY (Game of the Year) boat. <a href="http://www.planetunreal.com/u4e">Unreal4Ever</a> is another mod that is, perhaps, too wacky to include on a UT CD. Fun? Yes, loads, but perhaps there's just too much going on there. <a href="http://www.planetunreal.com/agentx">AgentX</a> is another one, high-quality, but perhaps not up to Epic's standards, or simply a 'victim' of too much going on at a small software developer at one time. Bottom line, though, and I believe that George Broussard mentioned it, is that each of these teams (and some others I haven't mentioned) are ahead of 99% of the people out there that have the 'next Counter-Strike', but somehow never get to producing anything. These teams should be proud of their efforts and, publically posting private emails not withstanding, should be encouraged to continue their work, improving with each release. RealTournament should be better than RealCTF, and the project after that even better. QAPete -Iron Chef PlanetUnreal<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Sorry for my little temper tantrum. I'm all better now. I reinstalled the drivers that came with my card and could at least run UT in software mode. I'm installing the 428 patch now and will make an attempt to run it in Direct3D mode. Wish me luck... 4 hrs later and I can finally get my fix, good thing I'm not a junkie eh? I think the problem was those Detonater 3 drivers from Nvidia *(or however you spell their name).... <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>#182</b> "Sgt Hulka" wrote... <QUOTE>an attempt to run it in Direct3D mode. </QUOTE> Did it work? No, FUCK NO! It shouldn't be this hard to get UT running on my system. Quake III runs fine, FAKK 2 runs fine, KISS runs fine, hell, ROLLER COASTER TYCOON FUCKING RUNS!!! I'm pissed because I really wanted to play UT tonight and waster FOUR fucking hours dicking around with drivers and shit. FUCK. <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Stroke that log you mentioned earlier, and calm down. If you keep up like this, UT might actually sue you. -- Dethstryk Damage Gaming |
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sgt. hulka: "ROLLER COASTER TYCOON" do you enjoy that game? i tried it for about 3 hours and in my opinion it just wasn't up to par with the sim city games. plus, building the coasters was a major pain. I spent a lot of time adjusting the coasters so i could connect walkways.. i don't like busywork. as far as UT is concerned, I have no idea;-) One thing that hasn't been pointed out about this new gamecube is that it's so small you can use it as a softball if you get frustrated. - Paul |
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<b>#185</b> "Paul A. Bullman" wrote... <QUOTE>ROLLER COASTER TYCOON" do you enjoy that game? </QUOTE> My kids play it. I rarely play anything, so it was pretty frustrating that I couldn't get UT to work. It still doesn't work and I've tried everything but a reformat and reinstall of everything. Fuck that, UT isn't worth all that trouble. I'll go back to Q3. That was funny Dethstryk!<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>Sgt Hulka wrote in post #186:</b> <quote>Fuck that, UT isn't worth all that trouble. I'll go back to Q3.</quote> Um, Counter-strike Beta 7 just came out. If you aren't playing it, you're obviously some kind of you know.. <b>BAD PERSON!</b> Here's how I see it: A first-person shooter just isn't that great unless you can play Counter-strike in it. And well, there's only one of those. Call me a fool, but I can't get a Commando in UT or Q3A, so nah. Don't want to play them anymore. I'm tired. -- Dethstryk Damage Gaming |
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Posting on the topic when you're at #185. Is it allowed? I read the RealTournament web page long before this place. I never got the impression that they were bagging epic. It was suprisingly polite considering their hopes and dreams had just been dashed. Cliffy, I hope you don't aske fro the emails to be removed. There's nothing in them that refects badly on you or Epic, and it's an interesting insight into how to (and not to) go about getting support for a project. Andy vs Brousard and Silly Inflamatory Topics. If Andy was a totally reasonable guy, and posted sensible, balanced, topics, then this place would be dead boring. If ya gonna have an arguement, someone has to say something worth arguing about. Andy does this very well. |
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Annakin2001, your attempts to come across as a third-rate Jeff K groupie are pathetic at best. Why don't you quit while you're behind? |
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<b>#188</b> "Emjoi Gently" wrote... <QUOTE>If Andy was a totally reasonable guy, and posted sensible, balanced, topics, then this place would be dead boring. If ya gonna have an arguement, someone has to say something worth arguing about. Andy does this very well. </QUOTE> You know, I think that's the most accurate statement about this site that I've ever seen. Jeremy -- Despite your efforts to be a romantic hero, you will gradually evolve into a postmodern plot device. <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Jeremy I disagree. They could post on the same topics and gather the same strong emotion - without the laziness and stupidity. Don't mistake being lazy and having an audience with brillance. Arguing with Andy is worse than with an 8 year old. Logic and reason is replaced by what goes as wit for an 8 year old. I think the only thing worthwhile is when the topics leave Andy's original thread. An 8 year old can always start an argument by calling you "poopy" (watch though - don't call Seth Poopy - he will recount the day he was covered in poop by classmates and then he will threaten to sue you). I only stick around now that Flamethrower has let me in on the secret. I hope to never contribute anything worthwhile again. |
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<b>#191</b> "Chet" wrote... <QUOTE>I only stick around now that Flamethrower has let me in on the secret. I hope to never contribute anything worthwhile again.</QUOTE> And I thought I was lonely. - [g.man]<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>Chet</b> (#191): <QUOTE>I only stick around now that Flamethrower has let me in on the secret. I hope to never contribute anything worthwhile again. </QUOTE> Why not just go the ShugaShack forums then? You should be in your element in that case ... -- Warren Marshall - Professional Nuisance<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Warren if I wanted that I could stay in my own forums... but I don't poop where I eat so to speak. <B>HULKA</B> Here is the secret to happiness Best Buy 50+Gig hard drive $189 <a href="http://www.megagames.com/">Mega Games CD crack Page</a> All my games are on my bookshelf like they belong and I can play any of them with a click of the mouse. I understand the CD check and requirement but nothing pisses me off more than hunting down the cd and then waiting 3 minutes for that check. There has to be a better way. In fact I will actually post something constructive. There are a few companies working on this - but the first one will be giant... A container for copywritten material that allows you to install once and forget and then share at any time with a friend - but the friend has to pay the copyright holder. This will be the explosion the Internet promised. Think of the word of mouth sales?!?! What about being able to share a built-in demo first? Think about the spam.... Chet |
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<b>#194</b> "Chet" wrote... <QUOTE><B>HULKA</B> Here is the secret to happiness Best Buy 50+Gig hard drive $189 <A href="http://www.megagames.com/">Mega Games CD crack Page</A> </QUOTE> With advice like this, it almost makes me with you were my big brother! Thanks Chet, how can I ever repay you? I know, I must be your hero and save your life now. I will follow you everywhere you go and protect you. It's what I must do. I'll even take on Paul Steed if he even dares to look at you funny! Of course, I'll have to wait until E3 in May, but I'll be there for ya little buddy! <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Andy rulez!! Yeah, that's it. |
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*adds Anakin2001 to the ignore list* FUck its hard to type when you gotta take a dumb <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>Dethstryk</b> (#187): <QUOTE>Um, Counter-strike Beta 7 just came out. If you aren't playing it, you're obviously some kind of you know.. <B>BAD PERSON!</B> </QUOTE> I must be one evil jackass then <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>#194</b> "Chet" wrote... <QUOTE>A container for copywritten material that allows you to install once and forget and then share at any time with a friend - but the friend has to pay the copyright holder. This will be the explosion the Internet promised. Think of the word of mouth sales?!?! What about being able to share a built-in demo first? </QUOTE> Acctauly I can think of one system like that, netActive. Of course it's even worse then a CD cheack (forfiting a CD cheack screen for a nagscreen even after paying, forcing you to be connected to the internet no matter what, installing non-removing dll's, etc..) I don't see this type of thing taking off for a while. In the mean time could developers/publishers please have a little talk with the art deparment on the topic of CD cases and the CD keys. I mean come on could they please label the damn number for the key (it's getting a little hard to find the stupid number on the back of the case when more are back there, and like HL the numbers printed on the back cover not a stick on tag). -- None-1a. I had something for a new sig but I forgot wat it was.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>BloodKnight wrote in post #198:</b> <quote>I must be one evil jackass then </quote> I'm sorry to break it to you, but yes, you are. Let the <b>Counter-strike</b> into your life, and you will feel a renewed vigor that you haven't experienced in a <i>really long time</i>. -- Dethstryk Damage Gaming |
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<b>#197</b> "BloodKnight" wrote... <QUOTE>*adds Anakin2001 to the ignore list* FUck its hard to type when you gotta take a dumb </QUOTE> it took you that long ? I plonked him a while back :P<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Speaking of piracy. Remember Half-Life: Day One? After it was "warezed" it seemed as if EVERYONE in the shooter community had partaken in its delights. So was that a special exception or are all the high and mighty webmasters out there hypocrites? Ditto for the leaked Q3A IHV. Side issue: I still honestly believe that the Day One OEM demo was packaged and released onto the net by Valve themselves, to drum up some hype for their game. Witness the fact that it was released by an anonymous individual (rather than a known piracy group) and that Valve only very recently bothered to actually provide a demo for their game, where in all other areas they were VERY quick to provide support. - [g.man]<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>Dethstryk</b> (#200): <QUOTE>I'm sorry to break it to you, but yes, you are. Let the <B>Counter-strike</B> into your life, and you will feel a renewed vigor that you haven't experienced in a <I>really long time</I>. </QUOTE> Your joking right? I played CS beta 7 for 5 hours at a friend's house, I would love to know why its so great <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>BloodKnight wrote in post #203:</b> <quote>Your joking right? I played CS beta 7 for 5 hours at a friend's house, I would love to know why its so great </quote> Yeah, just a little semi-serious humor. ;) To each his own, I just happen to think Counter-strike is the best derivative of a first-person shooter since the original Capture the Flag by Zoid and the original Team Fortress. :) -- Dethstryk Damage Gaming |
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<b>G-Man wrote in post #202:</b> <quote>Remember Half-Life: Day One? </quote> Does that thing really count as being "warez?" It was free to everyone, you just had to buy some hardware to get it. It's kind of like being included on a really expensive game magazine cover CD. -- Dethstryk Damage Gaming |
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<b>#202</b> "G-Man" wrote... <QUOTE>I still honestly believe that the Day One OEM demo was packaged and released onto the net by Valve themselves, to drum up some hype for their game. Witness the fact that it was released by an anonymous individual (rather than a known piracy group) and that Valve only very recently bothered to actually provide a demo for their game, where in all other areas they were VERY quick to provide support. </QUOTE> I belive 99.99% of any thing leaked was leaked with the creaters consent, valve did it the crapest way possible, why relese it via anonymous indavidual when you could have done it via a known piracy group just by telling them to do it (you know like id did with the IHV, via the hardware venders who they told to relese it to a piracy group). And if you think that's fucked up you should hear what I've been thinking about andy and george. -- None-1a. O forget it.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Anakin2001 #179 spewed forth the inane drivel: "I CAN NAME ONE COMPLETELY ORIGINAL IDEA OUT ON THE MARKET TODAY... HAVE YOU HEARD OF A LITTLE GAME CALLED MEGAMAN. IT IS THE FIRST AND IS THE BEST." I have news for you. MegaMan is derivative of all other side-scrollers before it. While it was a great franchise, it was hardly original. Anakin further proved his ignorance by uttering "CLIFFY B. IS A CHEATER A LIAR AND SUCKS." Cliff- Jesus man, what did you do to this kid? Was he some loser who sent you crap mail and you ignored him/put him in his place? It's obvious to me that this wanker is either a minor or someone with seriously underdeveloped social skills. Anakin- you have been the 1st recipient of my vaunted "ignore" curse. May you rot in hell as the unacknowledged one. [@~]MizuGami ------------ Those that would shed blood with me, I shall call him 'brother'. <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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Sgt Hulka- Try running UT in OpenGL mode. I have a C.L.A.P. DDR, and was getting shit fps in UT when I built my new computer(PIII 800EB). Since I running it in OpenGL, it has been as smooth as a newborn's bottom. [@~]MizuGami ------------ Those that would shed blood with me, I shall call them 'brother'.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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<b>#187</b> "Dethstryk" wrote... <QUOTE><B>Sgt Hulka wrote in post <A href="spy-internal:Load/141#186">#186</A>:</B> <quote>Fuck that, UT isn't worth all that trouble. I'll go back to Q3.</quote> Um, Counter-strike Beta 7 just came out. If you aren't playing it, you're obviously some kind of you know.. <B>BAD PERSON!</B> </QUOTE> I got bored with CS after al the 13 year olds heard something about cheating, and are now whining on every f*cking server is you dominate the game (wich is quite impossible since the CS-team put in some nifty little code that reduces the damage when you are dominating the other team) I only Play on Lan-party's now, and I must say that's more fun than playing online. -- I demand Free Hamster Porn!<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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start to warren "shouldnt i be working on our games instead of searching for my soulmate on a messageboard" marshall's obligitory troll comment - 70 start to random idiot's "gee, im sure glad I ignored xxx" post - 197 obviously this thread wasn't any good. |
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My take on this whole RealTournament thing is this. I think the RT team, while honorable in their intentions, failed to secure actual confirmation from Epic before they began work on the mod, thus resulting in the letdown. To start such an undertaking with the intention to sell it as an official UT add-on without prior, full acknowledged support from Epic/Infogrames is foolish at the very least. I want it to be known that I support the RT team however, as they have taken the giant leap forward that too many other gamers today are unwilling to do. Whether their intentions were purely for monetary gain, is inconsequential. I have read all the e-mails and have to say that the RT team is in the wrong for posting them. Irregardless of the legal ramifications, there is a line that just shouldn't be crossed here. Andy has made himself a 'journalist' of sorts by making this information public, and by posting this forum. It may (and I use the term very loosely) be legal for the RT team to publish the e-mails, there is a little something known as jornalistic integrity. Being someone who has earned one of his degrees in journalism, I can say that posting those e-mails was a definite no-no. As far as the legal issue is concerned, I believe that personal e-mail is the private property of those who wrote it, and it is basically just 'on loan' to the person it is sent to. It seems foolish to me that the RT team would want this to go to court, because CliffyB would have the leigons of lawyers from Epic. RT team, consider this a hard lesson learned about the reality of the game industry and big business in general. [@~]MizuGami <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I> |
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