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Valve keeps milking zombies
November 11th 2009, 17:00 CET by Milan Brezovský Set for release on November 17, the title adds melee combat to enable deeper co-operative gameplay, with items such as a chainsaw, frying pan, axe, baseball bat, and more. Introducing the AI Director 2.0, L4D's dynamic gameplay is taken to the next level by giving the Director the ability to procedurally change weather effects, world objects, and pathways in addition to tailoring the enemy population, effects, and sounds to match the players' performance. The result is a unique game session custom fitted to provide a satisfying and uniquely challenging experience each time the game is played. Featuring new Survivors, boss zombies, weapons, and items, Left 4 Dead 2 offers a much larger game than the original with more co-operative campaigns, more Versus campaigns, and maps for Survival mode available at launch. So, let's interview the resident Valve employee on the chainsaw details. |
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#73 by jjohnsen Really? I'm the only person I know who has Jailbroken their phone. Reported! <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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Wonder how lumpy, humph. "Bioshock, sadly, is no Painkiller." - BobJustBob
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#72 by lwf Blackberries suck, the hardware sucks, the software sucks even more than the hardware. They're going down and they deserve to go down. Blackberries are awesome, although quite sour. But nothing a little bit of sugar wouldn't fix. Hardware sucks? 624 MHz tri-core Bold is not fast enough for you? Capable of smooth multi-tasking, playing music, reading email, browsing, reading RSS, messaging on gTalk and BBM at the same time? With a battery lifetime of several days? Software doesn't suck, either. They've built a secure platform. Of course, there isn't nearly as much 3rd party software for BlackBerry as for the other platforms, but they're improving their developer tools, App World, etc. Also, their OS5 is pretty awesome. I'm not saying the BlackBerry is a phone for everyone, but no, they're not going down. And yes, the Gartner analysis sounds weird, I'd like to read the full report. Parhelic Triangle is coming.
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No dude, they suck. They are all over the place here for a number of reasons, but BBM is their only real advantage and they are due for a major crash. And the Bold and its lack of a touchscreen can blow me all day long before I'll use it for anything else. |
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BB has the best non-touch phone UI. And they plan to have hybrid touch/QWERTY phones, which I'm interested in. Also, find a girlfriend. Getting blown by a cell phone is not healthy. Probably causes blindness or something. Parhelic Triangle is coming.
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Regarding Stargate: Universe, I tried it and gave up after three episodes. It's awful. I really liked SG:1 but this series has terrible everything: terrible characters, terrible plots, terrible devices. Eli is the only good character and that's only because he's the least bad character on the show. The entire population is on a floating deus ex machina...the ship is a super powerful thing that seems to anticipate everything and saves them from certain doom at just the last minute because oh they didn't know the ship could do that!! It's lazy writing. The female characters are utterly atrocious, the male characters are cardboard and flat. |
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Poor Robert Carlyle. They really need to film the sequel to Trainspotting so he gets some decent work. "Don't try to take cover by the legs of my walker. It will not go well for you." - Shadarr
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I really like Stargate Universe. I'd say more but I think Hugin really likes it too so he'll be along soon to defend it better than I can. "CS is still one of the best, and fun, tactical FPS multiplayer games out there." -- Perkins
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i rather like it too. I also really don't think the women are treated all that sexist. I think they are treated like real people in a strange situation, and real people act like this. Especially if they are fighting off depression or whatever. "Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
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Milan - Is it really even about the hardware? Surely the iPhone has such a critical weight of apps and devs willing to make them that it is the only sensible choice among similar devices. I've not seen any figures, but I'd be amazed if BB wasn't tanking. - words and stuff -
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As a somewhat knowledgable computer user, I'm not really liking the iPhone. I don't like that I have so little control, need a mac to develop anything, being on the Apple hardware upgrade train, stuck with AT&T and can't even replace the battery (my battery has already lost a fair amount of it's new battery glow/charge). I've made sure not to do anything else with AT&T (like get my a daughter a phone), so the contract isn't extended like they want to do. I definitely like parts of the iPhone, a LOT. But it's not worth it to me long term so far... That being said, I don't know really know what other good alternatives there are. I haven't heard great reports about the Droid, especially related to battery life, and not many of the other smart phones are really enticing me...so many I'll end up sticking with the iPhone longer...hopefully not though. "Fucking Radio Shack. It's a wonder they even know how to use a bathroom and don't just walk around all day with shit in their pants." - smds
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The problem with the iphone is that it shows up every other phone on the market for what it really is - shit. All the other manufacturers have been getting away with murder for years now because none of them were spending more on UI than any of their competitors. I figured Apple would be a great thing for the mobile market since it would mean Sony et al wouldn't be able to simply vomit up another near-identical phone every 6 months and stay profitable, but here we are THREE FUCKING IPHONE MODELS later and there's only one or two units out there that look like they *might* develop into something competitive. Maybe. In 18 months or so. It's a fucking joke. Nokia, Motorola, LG, they all deserve to go bankrupt. "Don't try to take cover by the legs of my walker. It will not go well for you." - Shadarr
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And have any of you bought an aftermarket car stereo recently? Jesus fuck. even the good ones have teeny little buttons scattered all over the fascia like it was assembled by an epileptic on a coke binge. "Don't try to take cover by the legs of my walker. It will not go well for you." - Shadarr
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FUCKING CONSUMER ELECTRONICS FUCKING RAGE "Don't try to take cover by the legs of my walker. It will not go well for you." - Shadarr
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Droid. "I hope you one day decide to smarten the fuck up so I can stand to look at your posts." - gaggle
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A phone is a phone is a phone. If you expect anything more, you deserve to be disappointed. A round pizza with radius 'z' and thickness 'a' has the volume pi*z*z*a. Coincidence? I think not.
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My car has a radio and an air conditioner. <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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I also really don't think the women are treated all that sexist I don't think the female characters on SG:U are sexist. I just think they're terrible. They're more terrible than the male characters, which are already terrible. I'm actually quite puzzled that all you guys seem to like it, especially Hugin? Wow. I must have been watching a completely different show than you guys. My TV/movie tastes are usually pretty much in line with the general population here. |
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anaqer (#91): A phone is a phone is a phone. If you expect anything more, you deserve to be disappointed. Not really. I swallowed my bias and bought an iphone, and I have few complaints (the UK pricing is much less like being robbed at knifepoint). Apple delivered a critical beatdown with this thing. "Don't try to take cover by the legs of my walker. It will not go well for you." - Shadarr
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I guess I don't know what you mean by terrible? What is terrible about them? To me, most of them seem like real people. Flawed, capable of great stupidity or really reliable in a time of crises or high stress. I mean, I don't think it's GREAT, but I think it's pretty good and I like how it's dark, and there aren't always clear, easy answers to all their problems. "Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
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They seem so empty. The woman stand around looking sad or wringing their hands or looking tortured but with no feeling to it because their characters seem to exist only in reference to the male characters. I guess that could be called sexist but it just seems like poor character development to me. Not a single character except Eli so far has made me want to follow their progression or care what happens to them. They have no idea what to do with the scientist guy: one minute he's helping them the next minute he makes a creepy evil comment that says HAY GUYS LOOK IM FORESHADOWING. It's like they want to make a Vic Mackey character where he's bad but deep and you love him and you hate yourself for loving his badness but also his humanity, but they just throw random shit into his character that has no rhyme or reason. |
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there aren't always clear, easy answers to all their problems. There aren't? In one episode I watched their ship was going to go right into the sun, and they all decided they were going to die and sat around looking sad. Then they figured out that the ship wasn't going to crash at all but scoop power from the sun and it's got protection from the radiation, of course! Because it's an all-powerful ship that manages to figure out everything that it or its human occupants need and gets it. The ship has zero flaws. It's a giant saviour device. Then in another episode I guess they all get some kind of virus and then, miracle of miracles, the next planet just HAPPENS to have the antidote on it in the form of a creature. How convenient. Seems like an easy answer to their problems to me. Everything's been convenient and easy so far in what I watched, which was three episodes. By the third I was too bored to remember to watch the fourth. |
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Also, since the ship seems able to provide them with everything I wish they'd provide some shampoo and water for the scientist and his hair. It's so...stringy and oily looking and gross. |
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i don't see it as the ship providing anything. I see it as the ship following it's course, doing what it does. It clearly had a crew at one point, so why wouldn't it notice lower stores of water and stop at a water planet? Water that two episodes later, was killing them. I'll agree, whew, thank god for dues ex bugs that have anti biotic blood, but it wasn't a simple matter of oh clean water, lucky us. The crew figuring out the ship wasn't going to suicide into the sun is not the magic ship saving them, it's the crew creating a problem that wasn't actually there because they didn't understand what was going on. Also, I think the scientist is very clear. He clearly knows more then he tells (some of the 'magic' is likely not magic at all) and just as clearly, has no desire to ever leave and will do anything to insure that he doesn't ever leave. But, you know, it's not like it's all that important. It's just a show. I have lower expectations for the SyFy channel, maybe it's just me. "Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
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I can get behind the lower expectations because it's Syfy. I guess I was hoping for something as good as SG:1 was and for me, this is nowhere near it. Maybe it'll get better, though; all sci-fi shows tend to go through a rough first season (I think?). |
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#93 by Caryn I don't think the female characters on SG:U are sexist. I just think they're terrible. They're more terrible than the male characters, which are already terrible. I'm actually quite puzzled that all you guys seem to like it, especially Hugin? Wow. I must have been watching a completely different show than you guys. My TV/movie tastes are usually pretty much in line with the general population here. I want to give some context. I liked the Stargate movie. I liked the first few seasons of Stargate SG-1, but then that show started to drift off-course, especially when it became clear Richard Dean Anderson wanted to basically retire and pursue his hobbies and spend time with his family and not beat up his body any more (I believe he's had achy, injured and re-injured knees and back from his various action-y shows for years). Then they spun off Stargate: Atlantis and more or less fucked that show up from the very beginning. Oh, I watched it, but it was never really very good. FInally I hear about Stargate: Universe, and how it's going to be a much darker show, Stargate: BSG, etc. It also sounds like it might be the Atlantis premise (and the Voyager premise), a bunch of Earthlings stuck far from home and how they deal with that, but maybe done right? Having slowly gotten sick of the standard Stargate formula, I was really interested in a conscious effort to make a different kind of show. And when the casting started to roll in, I was interested in that too. Ming Na, Robert Carlyle, solid actors. So, I watch the show, I've seen all the episodes. Saying "I like it" is too simplistic. It's a flawed show, and I can understand someone else not liking it. But I find it interesting, actually in some of the ways I find Dollhouse interesting, another show a lot of people hate. I like the overall look of it, the lighting, the camera work, the Kino-eye view thing they do sometimes. I also think the ship itself is fucking gorgeous, the prettiest ship design they've done for any of the series, way way better looking than Atlantis. The special effects overall are very good, the "sundive" sequence was really beautiful. I like Eli. I like Dr. Rush, for all that he's a lying antisocial jerk. I like that unlike say, Rodney McKay, people don't like Rush despite his personality flaws. Ming Na is coming along after being seriously underused. I don't hate Grier, the black guy, which I thought I would. He's way more nuanced than I feared. And the medic lady has her moments. Things I don't like? Telford, Lou Diamond Philips character, is too much of a moustache twirling bully asshole. All the female characters are underwritten and overly passive and the show have a good grasp of what to do with them outside of relationship drama. The show very seriously needs, and needed much earlier, to get into a serious discussion about the ethics of using the stones, especially for personal business. I have no problem with the idea that somehow or another they'd work out waivers and procedures or something to swing conjugal visits, for example, but that's not a detail you leave off-screen. The producers I truly believe are trying to make a mature show, but sometimes they slip into "adult=boobies" mode. They're trying to make something tonally a lot different from what they've been doing for the past 15 years, and occasionally they just get it wrong. As far as the ship as deus-ex-machina goes, the thing was designed to create a foothold in a distant galaxy for eventual Ancient crews when they arrived, and operate automatically in the meantime, so I don' tmind that it can take care of itself and acts to take care of its crew. The antibiotic eel creatures were quite the whopping coincidence, yes, although otherwise that was a pretty good episode. My hope is that given time they'll get better at rounding out the characterization, get a few external conflicts going (we know there are aliens around which have landed on Destiny), and generally just learn how to make their show. Sometime this takes a season or more. For example, Deep Space Nine is, IMO, the best of the modern Trek shows, and they didn't figure out how to really do that show for a good 3 seasons. Parks and Recreation was quite mediocre the first season, and in the second season they tweaked some things and now I think it's one of the better sitcoms on the air right now. I could name other examples. I'm trying to give SGU time to grow into itself. "Bioshock, sadly, is no Painkiller." - BobJustBob
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Sigh. The show doesn't have a good grasp of what to do with the female characters outside of relationship drama. "Bioshock, sadly, is no Painkiller." - BobJustBob
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I think it's almost an opposite of SG:1, for better or worse. It's an attempt to do away with the humor, hitting more a Battlestar nerve. Comparing it to SG:1 is not fruitful I think, despite taking place in the same universe. Besides, SG:1 turned to complete shit in the end so I can appreciate a new take on it :) Interesting you react like you do though, I guess it's like me and V where I see boring clichés and everybody else thinks it's fun. I was surprised to read you've seen the Flying Into Sun and Bugs On Planet episodes. Those were the exact episodes I found elevated the series from meh-ness to quite interesting. Flying Into Sun was a great episode imo, with a sharp focus on the characters. We make our own problems, like LP says, what a great message. And I particularly liked the scene where the woman reveals such a strong desire to live even at the expense of others. We don't know much about that woman so this was one more little facet to her personality. The show also has a religious angle with the first lieutenant, and it rarely misses a beat to give it a nod such as in the Bugs episode where Eli makes a comment and the camera pans to the lieutenant. Those are the kind of small cinematography details I find utterly charming. All in all I think it has a focused vision. It wants to go darker, touch on more serious subjects. Whether or not it'll succeed I don't know, but I feel it's at least trying to be more than mindless feel-good entertainment. And that makes it good enough for me to waste an hour on. |
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I really agree about the stones. I can understand the need to see something outside the ship, and I've come to appreciate the potential they'll have for drama. But yes I'd like to see more of their potential misuse, and the questions they can pose. Wouldn't everyone off duty and off camera congregate around the stones and take turns going home? |
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yeah, someone is going to get knocked up using those stones, and someone is going to be PISSED. I...don't like V at all. "Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
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I'm bored with V. |
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Hooray, I have the same opinion as the most important poster on PC! I'll let you fight it out whom I'm referring to. |
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Lots of people are bored of V, so it's no surprise you have the same opinion as the greatest sun-dried tomato pasta salad maker in the U.S. |
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Aww. |
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I'm not bored with V. <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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Cheesy is the new gaggle. She's probably had sex with like 4 different guys by now and has no idea who he is anymore, his face lost in a memory sea of dicks.
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DIAF! <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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Steam deals today: - GRID for 5 EUR, - Batman: AA for 25 EUR, - Dragon Age: Origins for 37.50, - Far Cry 2, Osmos, and some other crap. I can recommend GRID, Batman and Osmos for sure. Parhelic Triangle is coming.
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Or, pirate them all for free. |
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Or, play Assassin's Creed 2 and actually have fun. "I hope you one day decide to smarten the fuck up so I can stand to look at your posts." - gaggle
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Milan: You're blind! That's by far the best deal on Steam at this very minute. |
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#117 by deadlock You're blind! That's by far the best deal on Steam at this very minute. Red Faction and Saints Row 2 for $50? Fucking-A, that is a great deal. Plus you get all that other crap for free, one of them has to be good. <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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I should point out that I meant Red Faction:Guerrilla, the other Red Factions are in the crap category. <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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That's a sweet deal. Anyone played Titan Quest? "Don't try to take cover by the legs of my walker. It will not go well for you." - Shadarr
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Cheesy: Yeah, it's nuts! Company of Heroes is damn fine as well, Titan Quest is pretty good too and the Dawn of War games are well thought of. If my video card wasn't so shitty I'd be sorely tempted to pony up. |
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#120 by TreeFrog That's a sweet deal. Anyone played Titan Quest? Titan's Quest is one of the better diablo clones out there. Dawn of War is one of the best RTS games ever made. Didn't care much for DoW2. |
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I liked DoW2, but then I'm not big on standard RTS any more. If only it'd had more singleplayer variety. "Don't try to take cover by the legs of my walker. It will not go well for you." - Shadarr
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#116 by Shadarr Or, play Assassin's Creed 2 and actually have fun. Batman is better then AC2 in every single way. "Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
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#117 by deadlock Not for me, as I've bought RF:G and SR2 a while back in other deal for 37.50 and 7.50, respectively. I don't care about the other franchises and the crap category. Parhelic Triangle is coming.
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