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Shadarr (#64): Heh, Bucs cut Brooks and Dunn. I know it's just business, but I'm so tired of hearing that. Literally the best player your team has ever had and you can't work out something that both honors him and helps your business out? *shrugs* It's just crappy, business or not. "some of those words want to be other words." - LP
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum |
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Has had, or does have? Therein lies the rub. |
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Like Bob Sugar said, 'It's not show friends, it's show BUSINESS.' 52 Weeks and Something's On Movie Blog
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I know all of that. And still, it doesn't have to be. There are ways and if they wanted to do it differently, they could have. They just didn't want to. "some of those words want to be other words." - LP
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum |
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If they don't think he can play anymore, why should they give him a spot on their roster, just because of what he did in the past? |
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I predict this will be like John Lynch and Warren Sapp. Brooks will land somewhere like Baltimore or New England and have 5 more productive years. What's up with Cato June? He's not even 30 yet, does he just suck? Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
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And as an example of how things should be done, Bryant Young played his entire career and retired with the Niners. Somehow, the team was able to have a youth movement without kicking him to the curb. Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
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You make that sound like it was a good thing. From the 2003-2007 seasons (Young's last 5), they were a stellar 25-55. They flat out sucked. |
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It happens because the NFL has the NFLPA over a barrel, at least compared to other sports. If you've played Madden in franchise mode for a few seasons you can see why it happens. First, no (or very rare) guaranteed contracts. That means there is very little repercussion for cutting someone with a big salary , basically you just have the cap hit from whatever bonuses you haven't paid yet. In the NBA you're mostly stuck with the stupid contract you made until you can work out a trade. Second, most contracts are backloaded (while the bonuses are spread out evenly or frontloaded), so the most expensive years are at the end. It's pretty rare to actually pay off those years though, usually a new contract is negotiated with a year or two left, or the player is cut/traded before then. So for a legendary player, it's very likely that the last years of his contract are huge, and his ability is diminished from his peak. Third, young players who become good make coaches and GMs look smart. For one aging great's contract you can get 2 to 12 young hungry guys who may become greats themselves. It doesn't often work out that way, but all of them think they're better at talent evaluation then everyone else so it's a tantalizing possibility. Fourth, with the hard salary cap it's hard to keep on a vanity contract unless the player renegotiates to the minimum, which most players won't go for. The Larry Bird Exception in the NBA was designed specifically for this, the team that he's on can offer him more money then other teams without affecting the salary cap. That way he can stay on the team even if they're in a cap crunch. The NFL doesn't have that, and won't have that unless something drastic happens with the Union. |
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That was a good analysis eggbert. |
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Yeah, he must have copied it from somewhere else. |
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eggbert (#87): Second, most contracts are backloaded (while the bonuses are spread out evenly or frontloaded), so the most expensive years are at the end. That's mostly a thing of the past. The Niners, Jaguars and now Redskins got into major trouble by giving out those kind of deals to try to squeeze players under the salary cap. It effectively steals money from future years and allows you to spend more now. But down the road you end up with millions in dead money and have to blow up the team. Nowadays teams (other than the Redskins) are trying to emulate the Patriots and build through the draft with a few targeted free agent acquisitions, which doesn't give you as much immediate impact but is more sustainable long term. Greg (#86): You make that sound like it was a good thing. From the 2003-2007 seasons (Young's last 5), they were a stellar 25-55. They flat out sucked. Yeah, if not for keeping a future hall of famer on the team the Niners would've been playoff contenders. He was an anchor. By getting rid of Brooks the Bucs have virtually guaranteed themselves a Super Bowl next year. Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
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Shadarr (#90): Yeah, if not for keeping a future hall of famer on the team the Niners would've been playoff contenders. He was an anchor. By getting rid of Brooks the Bucs have virtually guaranteed themselves a Super Bowl next year. Yeah, for sure. Especially since they are 66m under the salary cap AND they aren't spending much of it. If they get anyone Tier 1, I'll be incredibly impressed. They like Tier 2 with lots of potential upside...and a troubled past. It's the way they roll. "some of those words want to be other words." - LP
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum |
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$66 million under?! Jesus Christ. Did the Glazers decide they're tired of trying to win? I was just reading that the new head coach was a DB coach last year and has never been a head coach at any level. Maybe they figure there's no point spending money until the coach has a chance to grow into the job. Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
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The rumor around here is that ManU is there big thing now and they want to spend as little as possible on the Bucs now. I don't know if that's true or not, but I heard on the radio home that they traded for Kellen Winslow. He's definitely not tier 2...right? "some of those words want to be other words." - LP
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum |
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Michael Lewis on stat analysis in the NBA |
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"Players love the spectacle of a ball being swatted into the fifth row, and it becomes a matter of personal indifference that the other team still gets the ball back. Dikembe Mutombo, Houston’s 42-year-old backup center, famous for blocking shots, “has always been the best in the league in the recovery of the ball after his block,” says Morey, as he begins to make a case for Mutombo’s unselfishness before he stops and laughs. “But even to Dikembe there’s a selfish component. He made his name by doing the finger wag.” The finger wag: Mutombo swats the ball, grabs it, holds it against his hip and wags his finger at the opponent. Not in my house! “And if he doesn’t catch the ball,” Morey says, “he can’t do the finger wag. And he loves the finger wag.”" Heh, that's awesome. |
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That was a damn fine article. I may have to get over my reflexive hatred of Battier for playing for Duke and Memphis. Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
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I'm glad you liked it, I thought it was riveting. |
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Matt Perkins (#93): The rumor around here is that ManU is there big thing now and they want to spend as little as possible on the Bucs now. I don't know if that's true or not, but I heard on the radio home that they traded for Kellen Winslow. He's definitely not tier 2...right? If I was a Glazer I'd be concentrating on Man U. Man U are winners. The Bucs are... not. |
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McBain (#94): Yeah, I read that a little while back, it's good. There was a similar article from the Houston Press a year or two ago when Morey was hired, that focused on his approach to talent evaluation. Lewis' book (his other book), The Blind Side is a nice read too. |
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I enjoyed "The Blind Side" quite a bit. |
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m0nty (#98): Matt Perkins (#93): The rumor around here is that ManU is there big thing now and they want to spend as little as possible on the Bucs now. I don't know if that's true or not, but I heard on the radio home that they traded for Kellen Winslow. He's definitely not tier 2...right? If I was a Glazer I'd be concentrating on Man U. Man U are winners. The Bucs are... not. It's more that the Bucs are a tiny operation compared to Man U. They can a superbowl and not make as much in a year as they do with Man U. "some of those words want to be other words." - LP
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum |
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+win "some of those words want to be other words." - LP
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum |
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ManU + re? Sabrina Poirier, a student at Pensacola who withdrew in 1997, was disciplined for what is known on the campus as "optical intercourse" � staring too intently into the eyes of a member of the opposite sex. This is also referred to as "making eye babies."
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Re+ard. 52 Weeks and Something's On Movie Blog
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Matt Perkins (#102): +win If only it were as easy as that. |
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Dear 49ers, Please do me a favor and make Kurt Warner a contract offer, because he'll either find out that the Cardinals are making him a very fair offer and he'll accept it, or else you'll overpay for him and we can take that money and spend it in other areas. Either way, I don't have to hear about it anymore. Thank you, yotsuya P.S. I told you Alex Smith's hands were too small. 52 Weeks and Something's On Movie Blog
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You know what they say about small hands... |
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They fumble a lot? Yup. 52 Weeks and Something's On Movie Blog
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So you're saying Kurt Warner has small hands? |
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He has crooked fingers. Do your homework. 52 Weeks and Something's On Movie Blog
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And actually, he only had 2 fumbles this year. Look, it up. 52 Weeks and Something's On Movie Blog
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Are there rumours that the Niners are interested in Warner? It would be kind of silly to bring him in the year after we have Martz. Does he really want to just hand the ball off 30 times a game? Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
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Shadarr- He's going in for a visit today. Most people think it's a negotiation ploy. 52 Weeks and Something's On Movie Blog
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It should be, he'd have to be retarded to make that switch. The only way he should leave the Cards is if they don't want him back a la Favre and the Packers. That or if he cares about nothing except money. Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
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It's funny, during SB week, most experts felt the Cards would need to offer him $8-$10 mil to resign. The Cards have offered $10 mil a year, but that's not good enough? I don't have a problem with them holding firm to that. Yeah, they need Warner, but not to the tune of $14-$16 mil a year, which is what he's seeking. That would be over half of what is left in their salary cap space (after using the Franchise Tag on Dansby). 52 Weeks and Something's On Movie Blog
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That list is incomplete, it doesn't show fumbles on pass attempts. He actually had 11. 13 if you count the 2 from the SB. |
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Compared to Alex Smith's zero, that's pretty bad. Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
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Good info, Trunks. 2 seemed low to me, but that's what ESPN showed. Still, his fumbles didn't really hurt the team as they did in years past. Some bad picks, yes. Fumbles, not really. Again, I'm surprised the Niners are not behind Shaun Hill. I'm no Niners lover, but I think he did a good job as a starter, compared to J.T. 'I've Got The Perfect Sports Bar Name' O'Sullivan. 52 Weeks and Something's On Movie Blog
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I'm not really sure either. Hill seems like the perfect QB for Singletary. He protects the ball, he manages the game, and he's got heart. And he's younger than Warner. Let him be the starter and bring in somebody young to be the future. We're not a QB away from the Super Bowl. Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
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Reading Niner message boards, most Niner fans feel the same way you do. 52 Weeks and Something's On Movie Blog
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Well, especially when they're talking about giving him $28 million over two years. He'd better be using steroids and HGH if he's going to make that kind of money at his age. Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
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The Bucs picked up Ward. Maybe this actually a new Bucs team and back office? We've got Ward, Winslow and they signed Mark Clayton to a four year deal. Interesting moves for sure. "some of those words want to be other words." - LP
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum |
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Ward ain't nothing without Jacobs in front of him. <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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Ward is a bitch, and bitches ain't shit. Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
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Sports content! Actually, just my first attempt at video podcasting for my fantasy football podcast, previously 55 episodes old as audio only. It was a conversation with someone else, as usual, but Ustream only recorded my side so I look like a crazy person talking to myself. Worse, we had a 20 second delay for some reason, so I go doo-de-doo for 20 seconds after each time I speak, making me look even more loopy. |
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CheesyPoof (#123): Ward ain't nothing without Jacobs in front of him. No problem, we've got Ernest Graham who could easily be a starting running back elsewhere and potentially Williams, if he can come back from the new injury again. We'll see. Sounds like the bucs are going with a rebuilding year with some weapons. They probably won't end up getting a QB in free agency, though it looked like Cutler was really close there for a bit (god that would have been awesome). Instead we're sticking with McKnown, Griese, and Josh Johnsen. My personal preference would be to let Griese go at for a while and if Josh can step in later, great. Who knows though. Our defense is going to be sorely lacking this year... "some of those words want to be other words." - LP
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum |
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So anyone want to place bets on where TO will land? |
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My first thought is the Giants would pick him up to make up for Burris, but I don't think they will do it. <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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