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Tiger's practice round draws large crowd. MARANA, Ariz. -- If you were buried in a bunker for the past nine months and emerged Tuesday in the Arizona desert to watch Tiger Woods play a practice round, it might be understandable to wonder what all the fuss was about at the Ritz-Carlton Golf Club. The sun had barely risen above the mountains when Woods arrived just after 7 a.m. local time. The camera crews, photographers and media members quickly added up to more than the number of balls Woods hit on the range. And then it was off to the first hole, where Woods launched his first tee shot of his first official practice round since undergoing knee surgery in June. Wonder how many people were blogging about Ben Hogan's return from a serious auto accident in 1950? More than 100 media members were awake earlier than normal to see the world's No. 1 golfer in action for the first time since he defeated Rocco Mediate in a playoff at the U.S. Open in June. And a person who had no clue about Woods' inactivity would have a hard time recognizing that anything was different about his game. "Why would it be different?" said Hank Haney, Woods' swing coach. "That's what I don't get. I'm not saying he is going to be better. He won 10 of the last 13 tournaments. I'm just trying to understand the logic of how he could be worse." Haney noted, however, that Woods' swing is different. "He is swinging with an ACL. The knee was always moving. Now it's strong." Woods played the practice round for the WGC-Accenture Match Play Championship by himself, his first look at the Ritz-Carlton Golf Club at Dove Mountain, where the tournament moved after being played down the road the past two seasons. Steve Williams, Woods' longtime caddie, was with him. So were agents, publicists, security personnel, marshals and an ever-growing gallery. It didn't take long for an itchy photo finger to draw Woods' ire. He missed his only fairway on the front nine when a photographer's shutter went off too soon, drawing a "Not in my swing!" from Tiger, which had Williams reaching for another ball. On the tee it went, as Woods pumped it down the middle, the other ball left to the cactus. By the time Woods reached the ninth hole, the grandstand behind the green was nearly full, and some 500 spectators followed. Some early-season PGA Tour events would have killed for that kind of gallery during actual tournament play. There was a mini-roar when Woods knocked his approach shot to within 2 feet. "This is pretty common for a practice round," said Joe Corless, who heads up security for the PGA Tour whenever Woods plays. "Especially as it goes on, as it gets later. But the first hole? It's never like that." Perhaps that is why Woods stayed away until Tuesday. He knew he'd be facing a circus upon his return, and sure enough, that is what he got. "I came here for a Tuesday practice round, and as I'm walking to the range, I've never seen so many cameras and photographers and so forth, especially that early in the morning, waiting for Tiger to get there," said Phil Mickelson, who was the only other player warming up on the range when Woods arrived. "It's amazing to me what he has done for our sport, and for us to have the most recognizable athlete in the world playing our sport is so fortunate for all of us. And we've all been able to benefit from it, and to have him back is awesome. "We are going to have more of a challenge winning golf tournaments certainly, but also it will be rewarding if we're able to win those." There was some mild surprise that Woods elected to play just a single practice round at a course he had never seen. Although he didn't play the round at warp speed, he still played at a pretty brisk pace and took most of his time trying to get used to the slow but undulating greens. Haney said Woods spent the weekend practicing in Las Vegas before arriving in Arizona. He might not have spent much time practicing on site, but Woods has gotten in plenty of practice at home since he began hitting balls again in December. In fact, Haney said, Woods has prepared far more this time around than he did before the U.S. Open after arthroscopic surgery following the Masters. "It's much different now," Haney said. "He never hit balls [after a round] since Carnoustie [the 2007 British Open]. He was always in pain, and golf is such a mental game. And heading into the U.S. Open, he could never hit more than 40 balls during any practice." Woods didn't appear to be in any pain Tuesday. He hit plenty of awe-inspiring shots. And when it was over, less than four hours after it began, Woods was but a day away from his first-round match with Australia's Brendan Jones. Tiger dominated over the last couple of years with a deteriorating knee. He should be even more scary good from this point on if the knee holds up. |
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and actually, this is wrong, since what he said outside the court affected what the judge said inside the court, as directly admitted by the judge. That's the whole point. You can't punish Eller for exercising his first amendment rights. It has nothing to do with the case in court. That's a violation of his civil rights. |
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i'm not sure that's true when it pertains directly to the case in question, for one thing. It's hardly the first time public behavior has affected a court case either. Being stupid may be a civil right, but it's still stupid, and he would have been better off to STFU while his case was being tried. What he said spoke directly to how he felt, which does get considered by a judge in deciding punishment. If he was talking about the color of the sky or American Idol, you'd have a point. "Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
"LP, your big balls are a religion." - Jibble |
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I know that Harrison wanted to get released, but I'm still surprised. Is he really going to find a better situation outside of Indy? |
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I hear the Eagles are interested... "some of those words want to be other words." - LP
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum |
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Giants might also be looking for someone. |
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It's all about the money today. See Anquan Boldin. 52 Weeks and Something's On Movie Blog
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McBain (#59): I know that Harrison wanted to get released, but I'm still surprised. Is he really going to find a better situation outside of Indy? He's not...but that's not what his agent is telling him. |
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Heh, Bucs cut Brooks and Dunn. Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
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Country sucks. |
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Yawn! It depends on what is said, c.f. yelling fire, threatening the president, truth in advertising laws, etc. <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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Cheesy, did you click on the link? |
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Yes, but I found the quote meh out of context (which it is, until you read it). <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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"If I end up in court, do I need to watch what I say?" asked WCCO-TV reporter Jason DeRusha. "The answer's yes. If you want mercy on your sentence, the answer is yes," said Daly. Which has always always always been true. It may not be the ideal. It is however, reality. I cannot respect stupid. "Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
"LP, your big balls are a religion." - Jibble |
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I'm with McBain, if I go to court and call the judge a smelly oaf I should get the exact same justice as someone who tells him he smells like a peach. |
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Watching what you say is par for the course over here. I take it US law has no equivalent of "contempt of court". "If you watch the movie "Jaws" backwards, it's a movie about a shark that keeps throwing up people until they have to open a beach." - /b/tard
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Well, that's a different charge, isn't it? |
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Just so I'm understanding... He was mouthy to the judge and got a longer sentence because of it. Stunner. I'm not saying it's necessarily right, but Judges are people too. "some of those words want to be other words." - LP
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum |
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He wasn't mouthy in court, but giving an interview on the street. Ergo, it's not contempt of court. <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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He was mouthy in an interview and word got back to the Judge. Hmm...still not right, but still pretty dumb. "some of those words want to be other words." - LP
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum |
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Just to keep it in context, the sentence he received was well within the sentencing guidelines for the crime he was convicted of. It only happened to be harsher than what the prosecution was requesting. Whether that should've happened in the first place is the debate. |
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TreeFrog (#72): Watching what you say is par for the course over here. I take it US law has no equivalent of "contempt of court". And you would be wrong. "THE FUCKING KITTY LITTER FUCKING BOMB GHRHGURHGUHGRUGHRUGHURHGURHGHHGHUAHUHU KITTY" -- greg
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Shadarr (#64): Heh, Bucs cut Brooks and Dunn. I know it's just business, but I'm so tired of hearing that. Literally the best player your team has ever had and you can't work out something that both honors him and helps your business out? *shrugs* It's just crappy, business or not. "some of those words want to be other words." - LP
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum |
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Has had, or does have? Therein lies the rub. |
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Like Bob Sugar said, 'It's not show friends, it's show BUSINESS.' 52 Weeks and Something's On Movie Blog
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I know all of that. And still, it doesn't have to be. There are ways and if they wanted to do it differently, they could have. They just didn't want to. "some of those words want to be other words." - LP
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum |
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If they don't think he can play anymore, why should they give him a spot on their roster, just because of what he did in the past? |
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I predict this will be like John Lynch and Warren Sapp. Brooks will land somewhere like Baltimore or New England and have 5 more productive years. What's up with Cato June? He's not even 30 yet, does he just suck? Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
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And as an example of how things should be done, Bryant Young played his entire career and retired with the Niners. Somehow, the team was able to have a youth movement without kicking him to the curb. Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
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You make that sound like it was a good thing. From the 2003-2007 seasons (Young's last 5), they were a stellar 25-55. They flat out sucked. |
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It happens because the NFL has the NFLPA over a barrel, at least compared to other sports. If you've played Madden in franchise mode for a few seasons you can see why it happens. First, no (or very rare) guaranteed contracts. That means there is very little repercussion for cutting someone with a big salary , basically you just have the cap hit from whatever bonuses you haven't paid yet. In the NBA you're mostly stuck with the stupid contract you made until you can work out a trade. Second, most contracts are backloaded (while the bonuses are spread out evenly or frontloaded), so the most expensive years are at the end. It's pretty rare to actually pay off those years though, usually a new contract is negotiated with a year or two left, or the player is cut/traded before then. So for a legendary player, it's very likely that the last years of his contract are huge, and his ability is diminished from his peak. Third, young players who become good make coaches and GMs look smart. For one aging great's contract you can get 2 to 12 young hungry guys who may become greats themselves. It doesn't often work out that way, but all of them think they're better at talent evaluation then everyone else so it's a tantalizing possibility. Fourth, with the hard salary cap it's hard to keep on a vanity contract unless the player renegotiates to the minimum, which most players won't go for. The Larry Bird Exception in the NBA was designed specifically for this, the team that he's on can offer him more money then other teams without affecting the salary cap. That way he can stay on the team even if they're in a cap crunch. The NFL doesn't have that, and won't have that unless something drastic happens with the Union. |
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That was a good analysis eggbert. |
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Yeah, he must have copied it from somewhere else. |
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eggbert (#87): Second, most contracts are backloaded (while the bonuses are spread out evenly or frontloaded), so the most expensive years are at the end. That's mostly a thing of the past. The Niners, Jaguars and now Redskins got into major trouble by giving out those kind of deals to try to squeeze players under the salary cap. It effectively steals money from future years and allows you to spend more now. But down the road you end up with millions in dead money and have to blow up the team. Nowadays teams (other than the Redskins) are trying to emulate the Patriots and build through the draft with a few targeted free agent acquisitions, which doesn't give you as much immediate impact but is more sustainable long term. Greg (#86): You make that sound like it was a good thing. From the 2003-2007 seasons (Young's last 5), they were a stellar 25-55. They flat out sucked. Yeah, if not for keeping a future hall of famer on the team the Niners would've been playoff contenders. He was an anchor. By getting rid of Brooks the Bucs have virtually guaranteed themselves a Super Bowl next year. Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
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Shadarr (#90): Yeah, if not for keeping a future hall of famer on the team the Niners would've been playoff contenders. He was an anchor. By getting rid of Brooks the Bucs have virtually guaranteed themselves a Super Bowl next year. Yeah, for sure. Especially since they are 66m under the salary cap AND they aren't spending much of it. If they get anyone Tier 1, I'll be incredibly impressed. They like Tier 2 with lots of potential upside...and a troubled past. It's the way they roll. "some of those words want to be other words." - LP
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum |
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$66 million under?! Jesus Christ. Did the Glazers decide they're tired of trying to win? I was just reading that the new head coach was a DB coach last year and has never been a head coach at any level. Maybe they figure there's no point spending money until the coach has a chance to grow into the job. Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
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The rumor around here is that ManU is there big thing now and they want to spend as little as possible on the Bucs now. I don't know if that's true or not, but I heard on the radio home that they traded for Kellen Winslow. He's definitely not tier 2...right? "some of those words want to be other words." - LP
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum |
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Michael Lewis on stat analysis in the NBA |
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"Players love the spectacle of a ball being swatted into the fifth row, and it becomes a matter of personal indifference that the other team still gets the ball back. Dikembe Mutombo, Houston’s 42-year-old backup center, famous for blocking shots, “has always been the best in the league in the recovery of the ball after his block,” says Morey, as he begins to make a case for Mutombo’s unselfishness before he stops and laughs. “But even to Dikembe there’s a selfish component. He made his name by doing the finger wag.” The finger wag: Mutombo swats the ball, grabs it, holds it against his hip and wags his finger at the opponent. Not in my house! “And if he doesn’t catch the ball,” Morey says, “he can’t do the finger wag. And he loves the finger wag.”" Heh, that's awesome. |
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That was a damn fine article. I may have to get over my reflexive hatred of Battier for playing for Duke and Memphis. Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
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I'm glad you liked it, I thought it was riveting. |
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Matt Perkins (#93): The rumor around here is that ManU is there big thing now and they want to spend as little as possible on the Bucs now. I don't know if that's true or not, but I heard on the radio home that they traded for Kellen Winslow. He's definitely not tier 2...right? If I was a Glazer I'd be concentrating on Man U. Man U are winners. The Bucs are... not. |
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McBain (#94): Yeah, I read that a little while back, it's good. There was a similar article from the Houston Press a year or two ago when Morey was hired, that focused on his approach to talent evaluation. Lewis' book (his other book), The Blind Side is a nice read too. |
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I enjoyed "The Blind Side" quite a bit. |
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m0nty (#98): Matt Perkins (#93): The rumor around here is that ManU is there big thing now and they want to spend as little as possible on the Bucs now. I don't know if that's true or not, but I heard on the radio home that they traded for Kellen Winslow. He's definitely not tier 2...right? If I was a Glazer I'd be concentrating on Man U. Man U are winners. The Bucs are... not. It's more that the Bucs are a tiny operation compared to Man U. They can a superbowl and not make as much in a year as they do with Man U. "some of those words want to be other words." - LP
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum |
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+win "some of those words want to be other words." - LP
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum |
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ManU + re? Sabrina Poirier, a student at Pensacola who withdrew in 1997, was disciplined for what is known on the campus as "optical intercourse" � staring too intently into the eyes of a member of the opposite sex. This is also referred to as "making eye babies."
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Re+ard. 52 Weeks and Something's On Movie Blog
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Matt Perkins (#102): +win If only it were as easy as that. |
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