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February 23rd 2009, 02:37 CET by Trunks

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#26 by Shadarr
2009-02-23 21:16:15
shadarr@gmail.com http://digital-luddite.com
I don't think we could replicate that.  Just back before there were sports topics, so we'd talk sports wherever.

Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
#27 by gaggle
2009-02-23 21:27:11
Sport threads are a blessing. Their presence directly correlates to certain members of this board still being here.

"Common sense; it is so rare, it is a god damn superpower."
#28 by yotsuya
2009-02-23 22:00:50
Sage Rosenfels (!) to the Vikes. Did they not see him singlehandedly lose that game to the Colts last year?

#29 by Shadarr
2009-02-23 22:39:21
shadarr@gmail.com http://digital-luddite.com
Do they just not like Tavaris or something?  Rosenfels isn't an upgrade.

Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
#30 by eggbert
2009-02-23 22:59:48
http://www.stuffresearch.com
Maybe they did, because according to them the Texans could have gotten a third round pick from the Vikings for him last year, instead of a fourth this year. It sounds like he's replacing The Gus Bus, not Tavaris Jackson.
#31 by Greg
2009-02-24 00:13:00
The fact that you're always hearing about QBs going to Minnesota shows they don't like Jackson.

#32 by Greg
2009-02-24 00:14:52
Also, Childress was Philly's QB coach for a while (before becoming offensive coordinator), so you'd hope he has some insight into that.

#33 by McBain
2009-02-24 00:24:04
Carl Eller gets made an example of.
#34 by Matt Perkins
2009-02-24 01:48:09
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
McBain (#33):

Hmmm... Is this is first time, is that why this is called being made an example of? Because he resisted arrest, refused to allow himself to be tested, and he was most likely drunk and driving...

As long as the 60 days isn't going to be something extraordinary in terms of his health, I don't see the problem here.

"some of those words want to be other words." - LP
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum
#35 by McBain
2009-02-24 02:16:14
Matt, if you read the article carefully, you might figure out why I really linked it.
#36 by CheesyPoof
2009-02-24 02:46:08
Daddy lost!

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#37 by McBain
2009-02-24 02:53:34
He actually won, because he got all the felony charges dismissed.  This is the judge's way of getting back at him.
#38 by LPMiller
2009-02-24 03:09:04
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
well, he DID assault two cops. And those two cops are hispanic, so his racism charges don't really fly. And it's not like it's unknown that he has issues with drinking.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."

"LP, your big balls are a religion." - Jibble
#39 by McBain
2009-02-24 04:21:28
LP-  I can't really go into details, but he should be sentenced based on the normal guidelines of the crimes he was convicted for.  Also, your mention of racism means you don't really know the details of the case.  Racism != Civil Rights.
#40 by LPMiller
2009-02-24 06:30:00
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
As I live here and get to see Carl on the news charging racism, I would say that yes, I DO indeed know the facts of the case a little bit. Like say, here.

Then of course, your ESPN article is a little incomplete

MINNEAPOLIS -- Former Minnesota Vikings great Carl Eller refused to cooperate with Minneapolis police officers during a run-in last April because he knew he was drunk and he wanted to delay or prevent an alcohol test, a judge said on Friday.

Judge Dan Mabley's seven-page ruling also said police did not use excessive force when arresting the Hall of Famer.

Mabley found Eller guilty on Monday of fourth-degree assault of an officer and second-degree refusal to submit to chemical testing. His written ruling on Friday outlines the verdict that stems from an incident in which Eller nearly hit a squad car and then became combative when police tried to arrest him at his home.

The 67-year-old Eller will be sentenced Feb. 23, and his attorney, Albert Goins, has indicated he may appeal. Goins did not answer his phone Friday and his voice mailbox was full.

Eller, one of the Vikings' celebrated "Purple People Eaters" in his 15 years with the team from 1964-78, told The Associated Press by phone that he was never asked to take an alcohol test, and he never refused such an offer.

"They had lots of time to ask me to take the test, but they never used that time to ask me to take the test," he said.

The ruling said officers at the station's Chemical Testing Unit read Eller an implied consent advisory, which assumes a motorist consents to a chemical test. The ruling said Eller initially said he was not refusing to take the test, but then he refused to say he understood the advisory and debated with officers about whether he was under arrest.

"The Court concludes that the Defendant knew he was intoxicated and was not cooperating with officers in order to delay or prevent alcohol testing," Mabley wrote.

In reviewing the evidence, Mabley found that Eller had been drinking at Bunker's bar in Minneapolis, and early on April 9 he drove through a stop sign and swerved toward a squad car, just missing it. Officers followed Eller, but he did not stop until he pulled into his driveway.

Mabley found that once Eller stepped out of his vehicle, he did not obey commands to show his hands and he resisted arrest. Officers used a Taser, but it had no effect. During the scuffle, officers pushed Eller and attempted to put him in a neck restraint, while Eller punched one officer in the face and threw another against a vehicle. Mabley's ruling said the officers thought Eller smelled of alcohol and had difficulty walking.

The officers called for backup and Eller was eventually arrested.

Mabley ruled that Officer Gilles Antaya was assaulted during a lawful arrest and that "Antaya used reasonable force that was necessary to make the arrest and overcome the Defendant's resistance."

Eller disagreed, saying officers used a Taser on him more than once.

"I don't know how many Tasers they used on me, and those can be fatal," Eller told the AP. "They hit me over the head with their flashlight -- with a piece of equipment. ... I never was offered any medical treatment. It's obvious that it was excessive force."

In a separate case in federal court, Eller has sued the police, claiming officers violated his civil rights, used excessive force and concealed videotape evidence of his arrest.

In 2006, Eller pleaded guilty to fourth-degree drunken driving after refusing a chemical alcohol test.


It's only been in the news daily for a few months now, I don't know why I'd know anything about it. But lessee, Carl uses the word racism in multiple interviews, so....maybe you should spend time explaining to Carl that Racism != Civil Rights.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."

"LP, your big balls are a religion." - Jibble
#41 by LPMiller
2009-02-24 06:32:03
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
I mean, this is literally the top story here right now.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."

"LP, your big balls are a religion." - Jibble
#42 by yotsuya
2009-02-24 06:38:31
The 67-year-old Eller will be sentenced Feb. 23, and his attorney, Albert Goins, has indicated he may appeal. Goins did not answer his phone Friday and his voice mailbox was full.


Wait, WTF?

#43 by McBain
2009-02-24 06:40:25
Yeah, Yot.  That's the whole point.  I know way way more about this case than anyone here, whatever LP thinks.
#44 by yotsuya
2009-02-24 06:41:09
I mean, I didn't notice that in the ESPN article until I read LP's link. Are you related to that lawyer, McBain?

#45 by yotsuya
2009-02-24 06:41:27
Oh, I see. Interesting.

#46 by McBain
2009-02-24 06:55:08
Anyway, its fun to see my dad in the news.  It happens from time to time.  I'm proud of him.
#47 by McBain
2009-02-24 06:58:31
Also, Eller can say whatever he wants to a reporter.  That has nothing to do with what his attorney alleged in court.
#48 by CheesyPoof
2009-02-24 07:11:10
#43 by McBain
Yeah, Yot.  That's the whole point.  I know way way more about this case than anyone here, whatever LP thinks.

Your data is bias.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#49 by McBain
2009-02-24 07:16:20
Clearly.  :-)
#50 by m0nty
2009-02-24 07:46:15
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
I look forward to G-Man nitpicking McBain Snr's case from the sidelines.
#51 by LPMiller
2009-02-24 14:15:16
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
that doesn't mean you know more. You know one side.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."

"LP, your big balls are a religion." - Jibble
#52 by LPMiller
2009-02-24 14:24:05
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
#47 by McBain
Also, Eller can say whatever he wants to a reporter.  That has nothing to do with what his attorney alleged in court.



and actually, this is wrong, since what he said outside the court affected what the judge said inside the court, as directly admitted by the judge.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."

"LP, your big balls are a religion." - Jibble
#53 by lwf
2009-02-24 14:27:28
I don't know what you guys are even arguing about.

Handsome like a coat hanger. Wii.
#54 by Dethstryk
2009-02-24 17:02:00
jemartin@tcainternet.com
I like sports threads because I can easily ignore them.

I dislike sports threads because I still have to click on them or I'll have posts on the front page coming up as unread, and that makes me sad.

\"Making love to a woman is like working on an assembly line. No matter how good you are at it, you\'ll eventually be replaced by a foreigner or a machine.\"
#55 by Matt Perkins
2009-02-24 17:53:59
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
McBain

I'm still not getting it. Are you, or your Dad, perturbed because it was above the norm in terms of sentencing?

Or were you just linking it because it was family related...? I did notice that, I just assumed you were linking it because of something in the case's outcome.

"some of those words want to be other words." - LP
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum
#56 by Trunks
2009-02-24 21:22:02
Tiger's practice round draws large crowd.

MARANA, Ariz. -- If you were buried in a bunker for the past nine months and emerged Tuesday in the Arizona desert to watch Tiger Woods play a practice round, it might be understandable to wonder what all the fuss was about at the Ritz-Carlton Golf Club.

The sun had barely risen above the mountains when Woods arrived just after 7 a.m. local time. The camera crews, photographers and media members quickly added up to more than the number of balls Woods hit on the range.

And then it was off to the first hole, where Woods launched his first tee shot of his first official practice round since undergoing knee surgery in June.

Wonder how many people were blogging about Ben Hogan's return from a serious auto accident in 1950?

More than 100 media members were awake earlier than normal to see the world's No. 1 golfer in action for the first time since he defeated Rocco Mediate in a playoff at the U.S. Open in June.

And a person who had no clue about Woods' inactivity would have a hard time recognizing that anything was different about his game.

"Why would it be different?" said Hank Haney, Woods' swing coach. "That's what I don't get. I'm not saying he is going to be better. He won 10 of the last 13 tournaments. I'm just trying to understand the logic of how he could be worse."

Haney noted, however, that Woods' swing is different.

"He is swinging with an ACL. The knee was always moving. Now it's strong."


Woods played the practice round for the WGC-Accenture Match Play Championship by himself, his first look at the Ritz-Carlton Golf Club at Dove Mountain, where the tournament moved after being played down the road the past two seasons. Steve Williams, Woods' longtime caddie, was with him. So were agents, publicists, security personnel, marshals and an ever-growing gallery.

It didn't take long for an itchy photo finger to draw Woods' ire. He missed his only fairway on the front nine when a photographer's shutter went off too soon, drawing a "Not in my swing!" from Tiger, which had Williams reaching for another ball. On the tee it went, as Woods pumped it down the middle, the other ball left to the cactus.

By the time Woods reached the ninth hole, the grandstand behind the green was nearly full, and some 500 spectators followed. Some early-season PGA Tour events would have killed for that kind of gallery during actual tournament play. There was a mini-roar when Woods knocked his approach shot to within 2 feet.

"This is pretty common for a practice round," said Joe Corless, who heads up security for the PGA Tour whenever Woods plays. "Especially as it goes on, as it gets later. But the first hole? It's never like that."

Perhaps that is why Woods stayed away until Tuesday. He knew he'd be facing a circus upon his return, and sure enough, that is what he got.

"I came here for a Tuesday practice round, and as I'm walking to the range, I've never seen so many cameras and photographers and so forth, especially that early in the morning, waiting for Tiger to get there," said Phil Mickelson, who was the only other player warming up on the range when Woods arrived.

"It's amazing to me what he has done for our sport, and for us to have the most recognizable athlete in the world playing our sport is so fortunate for all of us. And we've all been able to benefit from it, and to have him back is awesome.

"We are going to have more of a challenge winning golf tournaments certainly, but also it will be rewarding if we're able to win those."

There was some mild surprise that Woods elected to play just a single practice round at a course he had never seen. Although he didn't play the round at warp speed, he still played at a pretty brisk pace and took most of his time trying to get used to the slow but undulating greens. Haney said Woods spent the weekend practicing in Las Vegas before arriving in Arizona.

He might not have spent much time practicing on site, but Woods has gotten in plenty of practice at home since he began hitting balls again in December. In fact, Haney said, Woods has prepared far more this time around than he did before the U.S. Open after arthroscopic surgery following the Masters.

"It's much different now," Haney said. "He never hit balls [after a round] since Carnoustie [the 2007 British Open]. He was always in pain, and golf is such a mental game. And heading into the U.S. Open, he could never hit more than 40 balls during any practice."

Woods didn't appear to be in any pain Tuesday. He hit plenty of awe-inspiring shots.


And when it was over, less than four hours after it began, Woods was but a day away from his first-round match with Australia's Brendan Jones.


Tiger dominated over the last couple of years with a deteriorating knee. He should be even more scary good from this point on if the knee holds up.

#57 by McBain
2009-02-25 00:02:50
and actually, this is wrong, since what he said outside the court affected what the judge said inside the court, as directly admitted by the judge.

That's the whole point.  You can't punish Eller for exercising his first amendment rights.  It has nothing to do with the case in court.  That's a violation of his civil rights.
#58 by LPMiller
2009-02-25 01:37:02
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
i'm not sure that's true when it pertains directly to the case in question, for one thing. It's hardly the first time public behavior has affected a court case either. Being stupid may be a civil right, but it's still stupid, and he would have been better off to STFU while his case was being tried.  What he said spoke directly to how he felt, which does get considered by a judge in deciding punishment. If he was talking about the color of the sky or American Idol, you'd have a point.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."

"LP, your big balls are a religion." - Jibble
#59 by McBain
2009-02-25 01:42:27
I know that Harrison wanted to get released, but I'm still surprised.  Is he really going to find a better situation outside of Indy?
#60 by Matt Perkins
2009-02-25 05:18:36
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
I hear the Eagles are interested...

"some of those words want to be other words." - LP
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum
#61 by m0nty
2009-02-25 05:22:52
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Giants might also be looking for someone.
#62 by yotsuya
2009-02-25 05:34:13
It's all about the money today. See Anquan Boldin.

#63 by eggbert
2009-02-25 05:36:39
http://www.stuffresearch.com
McBain (#59):
I know that Harrison wanted to get released, but I'm still surprised.  Is he really going to find a better situation outside of Indy?

He's not...but that's not what his agent is telling him.
#64 by Shadarr
2009-02-25 20:49:53
shadarr@gmail.com http://digital-luddite.com
Heh, Bucs cut Brooks and Dunn.

Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
#65 by Greg
2009-02-25 21:43:19
Country sucks.

#66 by McBain
2009-02-26 04:10:34
\"If people get punished because of what they say, not because of what they did, we then are in a situation where not only is the First Amendment undermined, but the idea of government of laws rather than of men or of people, is seriously undermined,\"
#67 by CheesyPoof
2009-02-26 05:15:36
Yawn! It depends on what is said, c.f. yelling fire, threatening the president, truth in advertising laws, etc.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#68 by McBain
2009-02-26 05:55:08
Cheesy, did you click on the link?
#69 by CheesyPoof
2009-02-26 06:26:50
Yes, but I found the quote meh out of context (which it is, until you read it).

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#70 by LPMiller
2009-02-26 06:51:11
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
"If I end up in court, do I need to watch what I say?" asked WCCO-TV reporter Jason DeRusha.

"The answer's yes. If you want mercy on your sentence, the answer is yes," said Daly.


Which has always always always been true. It may not be the ideal. It is however, reality. I cannot respect stupid.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."

"LP, your big balls are a religion." - Jibble
#71 by lwf
2009-02-26 07:32:29
I'm with McBain, if I go to court and call the judge a smelly oaf I should get the exact same justice as someone who tells him he smells like a peach.

Handsome like a coat hanger. Wii.
#72 by TreeFrog
2009-02-26 11:43:02
Watching what you say is par for the course over here. I take it US law has no equivalent of "contempt of court".

"If you watch the movie "Jaws" backwards, it's a movie about a shark that keeps throwing up people until they have to open a beach." - /b/tard
#73 by lwf
2009-02-26 11:47:37
Well, that's a different charge, isn't it?

Handsome like a coat hanger. Wii.
#74 by Matt Perkins
2009-02-26 17:28:06
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Just so I'm understanding... He was mouthy to the judge and got a longer sentence because of it. Stunner. I'm not saying it's necessarily right, but Judges are people too.

"some of those words want to be other words." - LP
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum
#75 by CheesyPoof
2009-02-26 17:36:17
He wasn't mouthy in court, but giving an interview on the street. Ergo, it's not contempt of court.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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