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WHAM, DIABLO III UP THE ISOMETRIC ASS!!!
July 3rd 2008, 04:20 CEST by m0nty Just to keep it all in one place. And by "it" I mean the slobbering fanboiism and the rare sane voice among the mob. |
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Sorry, funny. Would be funny. |
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I look forward to clicking and pointy sticking. Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
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I'm celebrating by playing Diablo 2. m0nty, did Bill Roper (who is no longer at Blizzard) touch you in bad places when you were a kid? You've got an awful lot of hate for a series that you played a small part of. |^^^^^^^^^^^^ |||__
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A lot of people are replaying Diablo 2. It's shot up the sales charts. Me, I'm trying out Titan Quest. blog | photoblog | PlanetCrap Flickr group
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Greg (#24): m0nty, did Bill Roper (who is no longer at Blizzard) touch you in bad places when you were a kid? You've got an awful lot of hate for a series that you played a small part of. No. Did he touch you in good places? |
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Obviously. Well, he stopped, because he went to work on Hellgate: London. |^^^^^^^^^^^^ |||__
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My hate, such as it is, is not for Blizzard. They like money, can't fault them for that. My beef is with the Blizzard fanbois who buy the same game over and over again. Of course, if any of you sonsabitches say anything bad about Sid Meier, I'll make you eat a bag of your own dicks, you fucks. |
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I don't like Colonization. Take that! Have bought Civ Revolution though, so I'm not exactly a hardcore hater. And come to think of it I don't suppose WoW was the same game as anything they'd made before huh? Your argument = lose! "You can produce nuclear reactions directly through ultra high electric field initiated photodisintegration."
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WoW is a more complex version of Diablo. Invention is the Green Goblin of Necessary Lemonade.
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gaggle (#29): And come to think of it I don't suppose WoW was the same game as anything they'd made before huh? Your argument = lose! WoW was notable for not doing anything that EQ didn't do, just with added Blizzard polish. |
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All games are pong, duh. |^^^^^^^^^^^^ |||__
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#31 by m0nty that EQ didn't do Blizzard didn't made EQ. #28 by m0nty My beef is with the Blizzard fanbois who buy the same game over and over again. They made a new game dammit, acknowledge it already. "You can produce nuclear reactions directly through ultra high electric field initiated photodisintegration."
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Warcraft 3 was the same game as 2 was the same game as 1. Diablo III is the same as II is the same as I. Starcraft etc. etc. etc. you get my point. WoW is not just a rehash of Diablo. WoW isn't unique by any means, as m0nty points out it's EQ but shinier, but it's not a goddamn rehash. It was one of the few brave attempts the company has made in years, in that context they get full credit. "You can produce nuclear reactions directly through ultra high electric field initiated photodisintegration."
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And it's called Warcraft. "The best experiences are generative experiences. The best stories are player stories." - Will Wright
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I wasn't actually dissing WoW, gaggle. The original beef on IRC was about Diablo. Apparently I'm the new president of the anti-Diablo coalition. And Diablo 3 is not a new game. |
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At some point in the past, Blizzard actually did come up with the occasional idea. Otherwise they wouldn't have Diablo to iterate on. Who knows why they stopped with that. Would it be so bad to make a game like Diablo that wasn't a total rehash? I guess it would. Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
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This little bit from their FAQ sounds interesting. "Also, Diablo III builds on the random environments of the previous Diablo games by introducing a host of new ways to create random scripted events throughout the game. This creates a dense and exciting world alive with quests, NPCs, dynamic encounters, and viciously challenging new monsters and bosses." I'm hopeful that means they've take a lessson from Sacred and well WoW and really jam the quests in there so you don't feel like 90% of the world exists just for level/loot grinding. Don't forget garnishes such as: Fish shaped solid waste.
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Apparently I'm the new president of the anti-Diablo coalition. The ADC? Sounds like a dyslexic song... |
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#36 by m0nty And Diablo 3 is not a new game. True. And that's putting it mildly heh. "You can produce nuclear reactions directly through ultra high electric field initiated photodisintegration."
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#37 by Shadarr At some point in the past, Blizzard actually did come up with the occasional idea. They bought the company that was making it. It turned into what we know as Blizzard North, I believe. I'm admittingly a bit rusty on my Blizzard-lore. "You can produce nuclear reactions directly through ultra high electric field initiated photodisintegration."
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Uh but I'm not disagreeing, they did take a chance and did something new with Diablo obviously. So it's all good. "You can produce nuclear reactions directly through ultra high electric field initiated photodisintegration."
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Or it used to be. Everything Blizzard puts out is great and all, but there's no getting around the fact that they're not in the habit of breaking out into new territory any more. In fact, the last two ventures that would have been new territory for them (genre wise, anyway) were Warcraft Adventures and Starcraft: Ghost. And both those got canceled. blog | photoblog | PlanetCrap Flickr group
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But that just reminds me of #19… "You can produce nuclear reactions directly through ultra high electric field initiated photodisintegration."
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True, they're obviously locked into their 3 big franchises at this point. And now they're locked into 3 genres. blog | photoblog | PlanetCrap Flickr group
"It was a little hard to tell how bad I was bleeding on account of the salsa" -- Jibble |
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Warcraft 3 was not the same game as warcraft 2 and fuck you gaggle for making me scroll through the rest of the posts to post this IMMEDIATELY. |
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Where is Bob to front up and whine about how he liked the old m0nty better and I've changed, man, stop being so negative? Huh? Where's that guy? |
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I don't need to say it again if you're still feeling the sting. "The best experiences are generative experiences. The best stories are player stories." - Will Wright
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Yeah, cos you can't defend Diablo. |
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Not really. I don't have any strong feelings about the series one way or the other. "The best experiences are generative experiences. The best stories are player stories." - Will Wright
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#46 by bishop Warcraft 3 was not the same game as warcraft 2 and fuck you gaggle for making me scroll through the rest of the posts to post this IMMEDIATELY. They were enough alike to be a relevant comparison in this context. WC3 was more of the same, though the things they did change didn't make it much enjoyable for me. As far as I know the original plans for WC3 were braver, more different from the WC2 formula, but for whatever reasons it ended up being basically a top-down straight RTS. "You can produce nuclear reactions directly through ultra high electric field initiated photodisintegration."
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We more or less agree, I'm just getting tired of people saying stupid shit like that. I didn't like warcraft 3 and it's probably the number one reason why I've got no anticipation for starcraft 2 whatsoever. |
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All games are pong. |
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Asteroids isn't Pong. "The best experiences are generative experiences. The best stories are player stories." - Will Wright
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Lunar Lander? Totally not Pong. "The best experiences are generative experiences. The best stories are player stories." - Will Wright
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bishop (#53): All games are pong. Yes, but the least Blizzard could do would be to paint the paddles a different colour each time. |
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They're doing one better, they're twisting the springs on the paddles each time so that they don't work properly. |
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And letting you put HUGE shoulder pads on them. blog | photoblog | PlanetCrap Flickr group
"It was a little hard to tell how bad I was bleeding on account of the salsa" -- Jibble |
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Can't wait! "You can produce nuclear reactions directly through ultra high electric field initiated photodisintegration."
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Shadarr said in #37: At some point in the past, Blizzard actually did come up with the occasional idea. Otherwise they wouldn't have Diablo to iterate on. Who knows why they stopped with that. Would it be so bad to make a game like Diablo that wasn't a total rehash? I guess it would. Actually they bought out the studio that developed Diablo (Condor) about six months before they shipped it. Hence the creation of Blizzard North, which triaged employees steadily ever since until it was shut down in 2005. So basically the same as Valve with Portal, except Valve hasn't fired everyone involved yet. |
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Thanks, Gaggle-Man. "The best experiences are generative experiences. The best stories are player stories." - Will Wright
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Nah, that was a better explanation. Gaggle's is the one that should be stricken from the record. In any case, I won't be buying it because it's PC only, and fuck PC gaming. It'll probably have Starforce. I should maybe join the masses of people buying Diablo 2 though. Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
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G-Man (#60): Actually they bought out the studio that developed Diablo (Condor) about six months before they shipped it. Hence the creation of Blizzard North, which triaged employees steadily ever since until it was shut down in 2005. Can you use "triaged" that way? Does it mean the same thing as hemorrhaged, or was that saying something like "the employees were slowly brought from Blizzard North to Blizzard proper?" |
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...and no, that's not an attempt at condescension, I'm actually asking. |
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Hey, this is the internet. Being first is all that matters. But yeah, G-Man's post was much better. Gaggle's even wishy-washy when it comes to facts. "The best experiences are generative experiences. The best stories are player stories." - Will Wright
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Anyway, the thing about Diablo II is that it's still (barely) the best game of its type, despite many attempts to steal away the crown from it over the years. So, as a fan of the clicky RPG, I welcome our predictable Blizzard overlords. It isn't a Fallout game unless I use my pickpocketing skill to place a ticking dynamite bomb into the pockets of an 8 year old boy.
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Nah, I gotta give the nod to Fate. "The best experiences are generative experiences. The best stories are player stories." - Will Wright
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eggbert: I don't know, but I wasn't intending to use that word in that way. I meant to say hemorrhaged but was in a hurry. |
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#65 by BobJustBob Hey, this is the internet. Being first is all that matters. But yeah, G-Man's post was much better. Yes and yes. "You can produce nuclear reactions directly through ultra high electric field initiated photodisintegration."
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#62 by Shadarr In any case, I won't be buying it because it's PC only, and fuck PC gaming. It'll probably have Starforce. If you keep at it you might just convince yourself you believe that. "You can produce nuclear reactions directly through ultra high electric field initiated photodisintegration."
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yes gaggle, you want to get into a sarcasm fight with Shadarr. "Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
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