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GTA:IV-ever
April 28th 2008, 21:28 CEST by CheesyPoof Talk, play, bitch, whatever. The game is getting A+'s and 10/10 all over the place, including the tight wads at EuroGamer. We must also strike while the iron is hot to organize any PC play sessions, 360 only, sorry Bob. And doubly sorry to PC only gamers (sorry Dum). |
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So I've been replaying GTA3 and I've come to realise why it's such a better game. There are very few instances where you have to actually kill someone. And when you do have to go smash someones face in with a baseball bat, you don't actually have to do that at all. You can just run them over. I played a mission the other day, a bank heist. The mission consisted of driving to a safe house to pick up 3 guys, drive to the bank, then outrun the cops. None of this getting out of the car and running through narrow corridor bullshit. Just pure driving awesomeness. The only time I'm ever not in a car is to swap to a better/different car or to pick up a new mission. The rest of the game is just driving. It's great. |
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That is what I have been saying forever. It's why the game is called Grand Theft Auto. Not Grand Theft Gears of Wars Streets of The Sims City. |
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I've been playing LCS on my PSP and I'm enjoying that more than IV. <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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Yeah, I was gonna buy LCS the other day but I realized that if I did that I would probably not play GTA4 for months. |
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The thing I miss about previous GTAs was just driving around finding things to do. The car stealing is a prime example, you'd have this mental list of cars you needed to find, and you'd sort of watch out for them while you were driving around. Now, the car-stealing consists of going to a specific place, finding the specific car, and taking it to the garage. It's basically just another mission. And then you're stuck in Bohan with no car and nothing to do. The taxis are convenient for skipping all the boring driving across town between missions, but the fundamental problem is that driving is boring. Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
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The fundamental problem is that the game itself is boring for people who don't need to have their hands held to find their way around the sandbox environment. Anyone that claims that the missions in GTA4 are open ended need to be beaten with spiked bats and cargo boxes. there is a minor level of variance allowed but nowhere near the level of options given with GTA3. Largely because GTA3 said "Go here, kill this person." If you felt like chasing them through the city, you could. Or you could just block off their escape path with a fire truck and gun them down. Or blow up their vehicle with a rocket, before they are able to get to it. GTA4 says "Go here, kill this person." but what it really wants you to do is "Go here, chase this person for x amount of time, then do this, then do something else, and finally maybe you can kill him, and if you do it in a certain way you get a nifty little cinematic about it." |
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In other words, what we've all been saying since Vice City came out. This is why I said I shouldn't have been surprised at GTA:IV. It's the next logical step in the series. I'm guessing the next one will consist entirely of button mashing cutscenes. Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.
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R* is doomed to never learn. I admit that I bought into the fanboi reviews and expected something different, but fool me once yadda yadda yadda. <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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They can't learn. They put shit out and everyone slobbers all over it. If you reward bad behavior, it will continue. Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.
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I think a lot of people were skeptical at GTA:IV, myself included, but then the reviews hit the net and they were all slobbering over it. They even got Hugin to buy it. I guess GTA:Next will be MOTS, but I don't know that I would get it on launch day, that would depend on what else I was playing. GTA:IV isn't a terrible game. It's major failing are heavy scripted missions, annoying the player (breaking the sandbox with relationships), and not bringing anything new to the table. <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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#1047 by bago 75 k turnout. Yeah, context may help people. The photos from the turnout are pretty amazing for a political rally. |
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Wow. Props to Cheesy. He's saying things I'd never thought I hear him say/see him type. |
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It's really interesting to see people get so engaged in a campaign like this. He's pushing the party into territories that have long been forgotten, and it's likely that his candidacy and grassroots efforts will have a big impact on down-ballot races. I've sort of been jaded lately on the whole thing with the primaries dragging on forever. Now that it's coming to a close, though, I can't wait to watch the party beat the ever-loving shit out of the GOP for the rest of the year. Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.
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yot, I think it speaks volumes that Rockstar lost both Cheesy and I with this iteration of the franchise. As G-Man pointed out, we're pretty much the go-to GTA fanbois around here. I fell prey to IV after committing to waiting for it, but I can't see myself buying another game in the series now. I'm much more likely to go back and play through GTA3 and shift over to other, better games in the genre (Saint's Row, Crackdown, etc.) unless they relent and return to the roots of what made it such a good game to begin with. I don't see that as being very likely considering the success of IV. Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.
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I can't wait to watch the party beat the ever-loving shit out of the GOP for the rest of the year. I hope they're aggressive in their campaigning, but 2004 showed me they can still screw it up. |
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Kerry was an incredibly weak candidate to put up against an incumbent in 2004, not to mention that we were just getting into the swing of the Iraq War at that point. I hate getting too far ahead of myself, but Obama is drawing in huge numbers of new voters and he seems to be much more capable than Kerry at throwing Republican attacks back in their faces. Their biggest problem is the press (they love McCain). Second biggest is Hillary. If she finally comes to her senses and tells her supporters to vote for Obama then they have a real chance at winning by a decent margin in November. Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.
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I dunno, I'm growing skeptical that this country will elect a black man as president. It's only W. Va., but they're allegedly democrats. <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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It's absurd to call GTA IV shit. Every evening I log in I see most of my contacts still playing it, including Shadarr. |
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That's only because of the physics. Everything else sucks. "If everybody has a very different story and a very different experience, then it's very personal and they were driving the story by playing the game. It's not a story that was being told to them in cut-scenes from the game designers' point of view." - Will Wright
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Compared to the earlier offerings of the franchise, it's a shit sandwich on shit loaf value meal with a side of shit and a large shit to drink. Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.
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Meh. It's still fun. It's just not as much fun as 3, or Vice City. Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
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Why do jibanalogies always seem to involve fecal matter? <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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He's a Texan. Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
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Down here you're required to use the words "hell" (pronounced "hayle") or "shit" (pronounced "sheeit") at least 50 times a day. Hell with it anyway, that's not an analogy. It's a metaphor. Shit. Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.
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It's still fun. I haven't found the fun yet. I guess I'll go back to looking for it when I finish the other fun games I have in the stack. Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.
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I think a lot of people were skeptical at GTA:IV, myself included, but then the reviews hit the net and they were all slobbering over it. That's what happened to me. A game that gets 10's across the board I expect to not be really annoying to play, not be repetetive as hell, and not be a huge step back from previous iterations. This is pretty much exactly the game I was expecting based on the pre-release blather, but I got suckered by the knob-gobbling reviewers. I haven't found the fun yet. I guess I'll go back to looking for it when I finish the other fun games I have in the stack. There are nuggets of fun mixed in randomly with all the shit. Like corn. Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
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There must be millions of copies selling on ebay now. "Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
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#1066 by Jibble Second biggest is Hillary. If she finally comes to her senses and tells her supporters to vote for Obama then they have a real chance at winning by a decent margin in November. She did a while ago, but I'm having trouble digging it up now. Granted it was as half-assed as possbile since she was still trying to walk the line between telling them not to defect if she loses and trying to continue fighting. Also I don't think it's going to matter what she says about it. May of her supporters that have been showing up in reports about possible defections when she loses have been patrioting Geraldine Ferraro's comments about Obama so they're just going to see a 'vote for Obama' message as her attemping to appease the system that got him there in the first place (in their view). Don't forget garnishes such as: Fish shaped solid waste.
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It's not a terrible game, by any means. It has a fair bit going for it and, for most people, is everything they've ever wanted in a GTA game, I guess. It's just that when you compare it to the likes of gta3 and vice city, it's lacking in so much. It's the curse of Realism, and if I were still sixteen and could be motivated to give a damn I'd be raging on it as hard as I was counterstrike back in the day. |
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Realism? My biggest problem with the game are the bikers who are impervious to bullets until they pass a checkpoint. Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
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I stand by my 7.5/10 rating (previously expressed as 7-8/10). Yeah, the game has problems. The missions are probably the most annoying thing at points. But it's not shit. It's not a shit sandwich and it's certainly not on a shit loaf. I think. I talked with an interviewer who gave it a 9.5/10 and brought up all of these complaints you guys are mentioning and some of things that bother me personally (the changed controls depending where you are, and the scripted missions) and all he could say was how awesome the chopper strafing was. It was partially his personality I'm sure, but I think it's also part of the game review process. They aren't paid to stop and smell the roses or take months to go through a game. They are paid to finish the game as fast as possible, clock the hours and potentially mention something about fun. Game reviewers don't review games like we play them. They don't have the same objectives and they don't have the same process. What does GTA4 really have to do? Have a bunch of wow factors that over ride the bullshit in the short term. *shrugs* "the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum
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bishop (#1079): It's the curse of Realism, and if I were still sixteen and could be motivated to give a damn I'd be raging on it as hard as I was counterstrike back in the day. I don't think you would. I think the lack of realism in the missions and the disconnect between the realism of the world and the missions would have driven Pogo batty. "the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum
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I stand by my 7.5/10 rating (previously expressed as 7-8/10). Yeah, the game has problems. The missions are probably the most annoying thing at points. But it's not shit. It's not a shit sandwich and it's certainly not on a shit loaf. I think. Right. It's a good game if you view it in a vaccuum. But it's a huge disappointment compared to previous iterations and other games that have advanced the genre. Vigilante missions are fun, just not as fun as in previous games. Car stealing is fun, but not compared to GTA III (especially since completing the list let you go pick up any of those cars, including the tank, whenever you wanted). Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
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I think that I like these vigilante mission more. I never cared for the whole get a car load of people dead shtick. I usually waited for a tank. Speaking of which, is there a tank in this game? I've not heard talk of one so I assume it was axed, which would be a terrible shame. <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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May of her supporters that have been showing up in reports about possible defections when she loses have been patrioting Geraldine Ferraro's comments about Obama so they're just going to see a 'vote for Obama' message as her attemping to appease the system that got him there in the first place (in their view). They may be doing that now, but I really think they'll start to change their tune when they wake up from the haze and the excitement of a hard-fought campaign like this. Whether they can get over it by November remains to be seen, but I'm hopeful that all but the most hardcore "Fuck you I'm staying home" groups will show up and pull the lever to avoid a McCain presidency. Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.
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#1081 by Matt Perkins Game reviewers don't review games like we play them. Which is probably what makes them such useless jerks. #10 - Why not both come out of a window?
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It'd be funny if McCain got elected because Hilary faked some tears. "If everybody has a very different story and a very different experience, then it's very personal and they were driving the story by playing the game. It's not a story that was being told to them in cut-scenes from the game designers' point of view." - Will Wright
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Speaking of which, is there a tank in this game? I've not heard talk of one so I assume it was axed, which would be a terrible shame. I haven't ever seen one when I had 6 stars (or even the military transport, for that matter) so I'd say it's out, unless they limited it to on specific scripted mission late in the game, which I wouldn't put past them. Hopefully Mercenaries 2 will be good, because the tank was one of the funnest parts of GTA III and then Mercenaries was nothing but tanks. Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
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Matt, I understand that reviewers don't give games the time that end-users do, but I'm hard-pressed to imagine someone being wowed by the first few hours of GTA. It's more reasonable to say that they were swayed by the fact that they played the game over a long weekend with the Rockstar staff, in a room filled with strippers and free booze. I honestly don't care what reviewers say. I used to be one, and I was as full of crap as the rest of them because it's idiotic to assume that one person can actually speak for any more than a handful of people. I understand that I am part of a small group that wants something that Rockstar doesn't care about any more. It makes me sad because I had so much fun with their older stuff, but now it's time to move on to something better. Taking out the tank? Fuck you, Rockstar. Fuck you right in your stupid shit sandwich. Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.
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The best thing about the tank was the ricockulous speed boost you could rack up by constantly firing backwards. Well, that and its instasplosive coating. #10 - Why not both come out of a window?
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Jibble (#1089): Matt, I understand that reviewers don't give games the time that end-users do, but I'm hard-pressed to imagine someone being wowed by the first few hours of GTA. Except, game reviewers are used to spending long hours with a game. They probably blew through to the second island in the first day. The tutorial didn't seem that long to them at all... It's more reasonable to say that they were swayed by the fact that they played the game over a long weekend with the Rockstar staff, in a room filled with strippers and free booze. And I was thinking I didn't want to be a game reviewer... Really, I don't blame game reviewers, I blame the system (after talking about it earlier, I wrote up my thoughts for my site that kills planetcrap). I don't know how to fix the system, but I blame it!! I just assumed the tank was gone since I didn't see it with lots of stars, but I do miss it. "the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum
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The tank isn't involved in any missions, nor is it likely in the game. I think the biggest failing of GTA4 is that I could be pounding out pages and pages of text going into great detail as to exactly why I think the game is a failure, picking every nit with furious justice, and offering heaps of speculation as to why certain terrible decisions were made and the various reasons why I should feel outrage at the current progression of the series... But at the end of the day, I just don't care. I'll get around to beating it, and probably some day get 1000/1000 in the achievement section, but after that I'll probably never play it again. Instead I'll be firing up GTA3 and Vice City for kicks, buying Vice City Stories at some point, or playing the Saints Rows and Crackdowns of the world. I expected GTA4 to fail on a personal level, but I bought it because I hoped it wouldn't. Instead, it has, and I'm not sure I can be bothered to give a damn about GTA5. |
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The tank is the annihilator, right? There's a cheat to summon annihilator. |
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the annihilator is a chopper, not a tank. |
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Because why DRIVE A TANK when you can FLY ONE!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111 |
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Seriously - tone it down, guys. I'm beginning to feel glad GTA4 isn't out for the PC yet. How screwed up is that..? #10 - Why not both come out of a window?
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Sorry. Whoever it was that I played TF2 with the other day, we'll have to do that again sometime. |
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But at the end of the day, I just don't care. I'll get around to beating it, and probably some day get 1000/1000 in the achievement section, but after that I'll probably never play it again. You are one obsessive motherfucker. I'm thinking that I'll try to get the achievement for stealing all the cars for Stevie and if possible the ones for rolling a car 5 times and blowing up 10 cars, and then I'll quit. Right now I've stopped going on man-dates with anyone except Dwayne because it's more hassle than the reward is worth. Jacob's discount is nice and all but I have more money than the pope and nothing to spend it on. Am I correct in my assumption that Kiki dumping me is triggered by the story? Her perk is one I miss. Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
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I am on the last mission and I have never been on a date, man or otherwise, except for the one with michelle. |
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Well I took jacob to the strip club too. |
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