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GTA:IV-ever
April 28th 2008, 21:28 CEST by CheesyPoof Talk, play, bitch, whatever. The game is getting A+'s and 10/10 all over the place, including the tight wads at EuroGamer. We must also strike while the iron is hot to organize any PC play sessions, 360 only, sorry Bob. And doubly sorry to PC only gamers (sorry Dum). |
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I don't know about all of that jazz. The multiplayer and the fully fledged city alone put it past SA for me. I still catch myself driving around, just checking out the city, seeing all of the little details, etc. I didn't like SA that much at all. "the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum
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The map in SA was much better. "If everybody has a very different story and a very different experience, then it's very personal and they were driving the story by playing the game. It's not a story that was being told to them in cut-scenes from the game designers' point of view." - Will Wright
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The realism is exactly what Christy doesn't like. Instead of hurtling like a bat out of hell through somewhat cartoonish surroundings, I'm sitting through what she has deemed MGS3-level cutscenes. Maybe I'll come back to it once I'm done playing other, better games. She suggested Crackdown, since she enjoyed watching me play the demo. Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.
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I mixed on the map. Part of me likes it, but part of me thinks that, of all things, the less detailed maps of the last gen was better. It's cool be all "yea man, I'm driving in NY" (where's Shea Stadium?), but I don't know how much it adds to the gameplay. If I know it better maybe my mood will change, but right now I'm not getting much out of it. <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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I guess the issue is that I don't really care how the scenery looks. I didn't buy it because I wanted a faux New York tourism sim. I want to be flying a million miles an hour down the road, running from the cops, blowing shit up. Crap, I'm turning into Bob. Graphics don't matter if the game isn't fun. Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.
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If they would patch the game so I didn't have to keep people happy, I'd be happier. It'd be win win. Imagine me, if you will, sitting atop a giant throne built entirely out of PC cases. Now imagine me laughing with the force of a thousand cooling fans. MP3 Of The Week: hum a few bars and I'll fake it.
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If only I could visualise such a scenario in comic form. |
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Hmm, that gives me an idea... ... ... ...I'll see if I can beat my Minesweeper high score. MP3 Of The Week: hum a few bars and I'll fake it.
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Spoilers, I guess, but does anyone care at this point? Speaking of GTA, I don't know if the scripting broke or what, but I had this mission yesterday for the Lt. to go to some project and take out a dealer. When I arrive at the project the Lt. tells me in a briefing that I should go up the stairs ASAP to avoid the gang members on the ground level. So, I get the bright idea to do one better and go as high as possible and snipe the fucker. Going up the stairs the gang members talk shit to me before one guy shoots me, but I show him a face full of buckshot and he doesn't say anything else. No one notices or there's no one to come at so I continue going up the stairs until I can't go any higher. I find a nice position that will give me a clear view of my target. I take out my sniper rifle and spot the guy. Blammo! I head shot him. He's still standing. He's not running away either. I don't think that anyone noticed my shooting. So, Blammo! again in the head. Same deal. He doesn't react and run and no one else notices me. Now I think that I have to go in cover and sneak up on him for some scripted chase scene. Anyway, I decided to try another shot and Blammo! he's dead. That was one tough guy to take 3 head shots. Now I have a 2 star wanted level and the gang members are shooting at me. I got onto the roof and call Kiki who gets rid of my stars. I guess the gang members are still active so I call Bruice to come pick me up, commando style*, but he parks two blocks over, totally useless. I guess the gang un-alerted because I walked down and no one said boo. <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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Imagine building an app that completely overwhelms your data center, and causes them to draw more power than the municipality has held them to. Imagine inappropriate calls in the morning asking which systems we could shut off because we spiked their power constraints. Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.
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Just TRY to imagine being that awesome.* I don't think you can do it. "the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum
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I wonder if you could accomplish that with a prime number generator if you made it shitty enough. Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.
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Cheesy, I'm impressed you were able to kill him like that at all, because if I remember correctly there was a scripted chase up the stairwell onto the roof before you could kill him if you did the mission normally. I'm way further in the game than you and the missions never really stop sucking but there's some side stuff that's more fun even though it's also needlessly scripted, like assassin missions and tracking down cars from text message photos. Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
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I suspect it I broke it, but yay! for that. Another thing that I hate is the construction they put in the two avenues that run alongside central park. Why the fuck can't I have one of them be a straight shot up and down the island? It's just a friggan speed bump in the map, and speed bumps ain't fun. My plan, if I can stomach it, is to focus on missions (as long as I can), and as long as they don't fuck things up, do all the fun stuff at the end. Annoying stuff like friends I'm forced to do for the bonuses. <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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I look forward to seeing cheesy's take on the last mission. |
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The cutscenes were the best part of MGS3. |
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I just heard some kind of weird banging noise coming from the northwest, maybe Portlandish. Sounded like a skull cracking, then some sort of squishy gray matter exploding forth. Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.
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Shh, don't feed the troll. "If everybody has a very different story and a very different experience, then it's very personal and they were driving the story by playing the game. It's not a story that was being told to them in cut-scenes from the game designers' point of view." - Will Wright
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#1039 by Jibble I just heard some kind of weird banging noise coming from the northwest, maybe Portlandish. Sounded like a skull cracking, then some sort of squishy gray matter exploding forth. Yeah, sorry about that. It was lunchtime. Invention is the Green Goblin of Necessary Lemonade.
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Vintage Bob, circa 2001, trawled from the sifter: I'm buying a Gamecube immediately, and playing the wait-and-see on the Xbox. Come on, Super Monkey Ball alone sold me the system. PS2 falls with the PSOne, in the category of Systems I Will Never Buy. Maybe I'm missing out, but I don't think so. Maybe the PS3 will rock, or maybe they'll pull a Sega and port GT3 and MGS2 to everyone else. If GTA3 weren't coming out on PC though, I would have to buy one. Made me chuckle a little, considering his recent talk about buying one from Japan to play EDF2. Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.
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Yeah, sorry about that. It was lunchtime. You should really marinade longer to soften up the bones. Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.
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And ruin the texture? Talk to the hand, sir. Invention is the Green Goblin of Necessary Lemonade.
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The PS2 was a pretty crappy system, but once the game library picked up I had no choice. That statement was mostly the result of the PS1 being a big worthless pile of feces. "If everybody has a very different story and a very different experience, then it's very personal and they were driving the story by playing the game. It's not a story that was being told to them in cut-scenes from the game designers' point of view." - Will Wright
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Hey, you're talking to the guy who said he wasn't going to buy GTA:IV on release day. Nobody's perfect. Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.
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75 k turnout. Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.
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-25k context. "Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
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Just tried 3 leaf clover. Ggrrr. Where's some fucking health or ammo? I got all the way to the fucking service hatch exit, but with a sliver of health. Cocksuckers. <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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Beat it on the second try. I came across an armor pack near one of the police cars during the shoot out, and when I got back to the service exit I tried Kiki and she hooked me up. Then it was easy to get in a car and drive back. Now New Jersey is unlocked. <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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So I've been replaying GTA3 and I've come to realise why it's such a better game. There are very few instances where you have to actually kill someone. And when you do have to go smash someones face in with a baseball bat, you don't actually have to do that at all. You can just run them over. I played a mission the other day, a bank heist. The mission consisted of driving to a safe house to pick up 3 guys, drive to the bank, then outrun the cops. None of this getting out of the car and running through narrow corridor bullshit. Just pure driving awesomeness. The only time I'm ever not in a car is to swap to a better/different car or to pick up a new mission. The rest of the game is just driving. It's great. |
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That is what I have been saying forever. It's why the game is called Grand Theft Auto. Not Grand Theft Gears of Wars Streets of The Sims City. |
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I've been playing LCS on my PSP and I'm enjoying that more than IV. <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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Yeah, I was gonna buy LCS the other day but I realized that if I did that I would probably not play GTA4 for months. |
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The thing I miss about previous GTAs was just driving around finding things to do. The car stealing is a prime example, you'd have this mental list of cars you needed to find, and you'd sort of watch out for them while you were driving around. Now, the car-stealing consists of going to a specific place, finding the specific car, and taking it to the garage. It's basically just another mission. And then you're stuck in Bohan with no car and nothing to do. The taxis are convenient for skipping all the boring driving across town between missions, but the fundamental problem is that driving is boring. Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
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The fundamental problem is that the game itself is boring for people who don't need to have their hands held to find their way around the sandbox environment. Anyone that claims that the missions in GTA4 are open ended need to be beaten with spiked bats and cargo boxes. there is a minor level of variance allowed but nowhere near the level of options given with GTA3. Largely because GTA3 said "Go here, kill this person." If you felt like chasing them through the city, you could. Or you could just block off their escape path with a fire truck and gun them down. Or blow up their vehicle with a rocket, before they are able to get to it. GTA4 says "Go here, kill this person." but what it really wants you to do is "Go here, chase this person for x amount of time, then do this, then do something else, and finally maybe you can kill him, and if you do it in a certain way you get a nifty little cinematic about it." |
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In other words, what we've all been saying since Vice City came out. This is why I said I shouldn't have been surprised at GTA:IV. It's the next logical step in the series. I'm guessing the next one will consist entirely of button mashing cutscenes. Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.
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R* is doomed to never learn. I admit that I bought into the fanboi reviews and expected something different, but fool me once yadda yadda yadda. <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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They can't learn. They put shit out and everyone slobbers all over it. If you reward bad behavior, it will continue. Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.
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I think a lot of people were skeptical at GTA:IV, myself included, but then the reviews hit the net and they were all slobbering over it. They even got Hugin to buy it. I guess GTA:Next will be MOTS, but I don't know that I would get it on launch day, that would depend on what else I was playing. GTA:IV isn't a terrible game. It's major failing are heavy scripted missions, annoying the player (breaking the sandbox with relationships), and not bringing anything new to the table. <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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#1047 by bago 75 k turnout. Yeah, context may help people. The photos from the turnout are pretty amazing for a political rally. |
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Wow. Props to Cheesy. He's saying things I'd never thought I hear him say/see him type. |
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It's really interesting to see people get so engaged in a campaign like this. He's pushing the party into territories that have long been forgotten, and it's likely that his candidacy and grassroots efforts will have a big impact on down-ballot races. I've sort of been jaded lately on the whole thing with the primaries dragging on forever. Now that it's coming to a close, though, I can't wait to watch the party beat the ever-loving shit out of the GOP for the rest of the year. Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.
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yot, I think it speaks volumes that Rockstar lost both Cheesy and I with this iteration of the franchise. As G-Man pointed out, we're pretty much the go-to GTA fanbois around here. I fell prey to IV after committing to waiting for it, but I can't see myself buying another game in the series now. I'm much more likely to go back and play through GTA3 and shift over to other, better games in the genre (Saint's Row, Crackdown, etc.) unless they relent and return to the roots of what made it such a good game to begin with. I don't see that as being very likely considering the success of IV. Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.
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I can't wait to watch the party beat the ever-loving shit out of the GOP for the rest of the year. I hope they're aggressive in their campaigning, but 2004 showed me they can still screw it up. |
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Kerry was an incredibly weak candidate to put up against an incumbent in 2004, not to mention that we were just getting into the swing of the Iraq War at that point. I hate getting too far ahead of myself, but Obama is drawing in huge numbers of new voters and he seems to be much more capable than Kerry at throwing Republican attacks back in their faces. Their biggest problem is the press (they love McCain). Second biggest is Hillary. If she finally comes to her senses and tells her supporters to vote for Obama then they have a real chance at winning by a decent margin in November. Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.
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I dunno, I'm growing skeptical that this country will elect a black man as president. It's only W. Va., but they're allegedly democrats. <Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
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It's absurd to call GTA IV shit. Every evening I log in I see most of my contacts still playing it, including Shadarr. |
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That's only because of the physics. Everything else sucks. "If everybody has a very different story and a very different experience, then it's very personal and they were driving the story by playing the game. It's not a story that was being told to them in cut-scenes from the game designers' point of view." - Will Wright
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Compared to the earlier offerings of the franchise, it's a shit sandwich on shit loaf value meal with a side of shit and a large shit to drink. Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.
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Meh. It's still fun. It's just not as much fun as 3, or Vice City. Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
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