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E3 is Dead!  Long Live E3!
July 9th 2007, 20:04 CEST by Hugin

E3 on PC, the booth babes are gone, but the sweet funk of gamer excitement remains!

It this the point where PS3 begins to turn things around?  

Will Nintendo bring anything of real excitement to the hardcore to the table, or will it just be all casual and party games?  

Will Halo 3 be awesome, or super awesome?  

Will Killzone 2 actually live up to the debut trailer?  

Any titles you're looking forward to seeing?  

What game will be best in show, as far as you're concerned?

Which company will have the best overall showing?

Discuss it here!
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#61 by Shadarr
2007-07-10 21:15:47
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Depends what you mean by "worth it".  My brother's reasoning is that if you're already spending over $500 including tax and accessories, you might as well shell out a little extra and get the bigger HDD and HDMI.

Horrible song of the nonce: Left Behind
#62 by Matt Perkins
2007-07-10 21:49:25
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
CheesyPoof (#60):
Will an elite be worth it? I figure I'll be getting my 360 for my birthday (Nov.) and a 1080p (though I don't think the 360 supports that) TV within a few months of that.

The 360 does support 1080p now I believe. One of the updates added that...I think.

My intelligence, then, is not absolute but is a function of the society I live in

"I'm not sure it's possible to make a "subtle" jab at Matt's writing ability." - Ergo
#63 by Ergo
2007-07-10 21:50:28
Yes, it does.

You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religions. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, intelligent enough. --Aldous Huxley

DVDs
#64 by LPMiller
2007-07-11 01:06:09
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
supports it, but that doesn't mean much. Depending on your TV, it still might look better at 720p. Or you won't notice the difference. Or you'll see a huge difference.  It all gets kind of goofy.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" — "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
#65 by Matt Perkins
2007-07-11 16:40:33
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
LPMiller (#64):
supports it, but that doesn't mean much. Depending on your TV, it still might look better at 720p. Or you won't notice the difference. Or you'll see a huge difference.  It all gets kind of goofy.

Yeah, I have it on my TV, which supports 1080p, but I'm running through component cables and don't know if games are using it or not.

My intelligence, then, is not absolute but is a function of the society I live in

"I'm not sure it's possible to make a "subtle" jab at Matt's writing ability." - Ergo
#66 by jjohnsen
2007-07-11 16:53:55
http://www.johnsenclan.com
I want to thank MS for porting over the games I want to play so I can wait until the 360 is $150 to actually buy it.  Both Viva Pinata and GOW are coming to the PC this fall.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP       Johnsen Family
#67 by jjohnsen
2007-07-11 16:55:25
http://www.johnsenclan.com
And the Assasins Creed VR stuff gets more and more annoying, this latest level they showed has people blinking in and out constantly and the screen going fuzzy occasionally.  Tone it down please.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP       Johnsen Family
#68 by Dumdeedum
2007-07-11 16:57:41
http://www.dumdeedum.com
Yo Marsh, The Package arrived today and I think it just elevated you to nicest man in all the lands status.  The Lord of Loot, the Sultan of Swag, the Pharoh of Freebies, if you will.  I actually feel kind of guilty considering all I sent you was a burned DVD and got a mountain of stuff in return.  Either way, thanks for it all, I'm quite tickled.

And I now know that Life Savers taste like Germolene, or like that Euthymol toothpaste that also tastes like Germolene.

#69 by CheesyPoof
2007-07-11 17:06:02
What swag did you get, and how can I get some swag?

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#70 by Hugin
2007-07-11 17:08:47
lmccain@nber.org
What are people's impressions of the MS press conference?  Mine are: ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz.


The good:  MS clearly has a strong lineup of games for the fall/winter.  Two definite buys for me, and two or three maybes.  They're clearly working hard on planting the meme that 360 is the place to be for 3rd parties in particular. Seeing that band of kids doing their Halo theme thing again was fun.  Good for them, I hope they got a fat check from MS.

The bad:  Jesus, that second marketing dude they got up to talk, the one who played the football game?  Gigantic tool.  The whole presentation was filled with jokes that fell flat, weak applause, boring blather about market dominance.  Sometimes the silences and weak clapping were really embarrassing.  I kept waiting for Peter Moore to stamp his feet and scream "SEXUAL CHOCOLATE!", then toss the Halo special edition 360 onto the floor and walk off stage.  No real surprises.

 I was saying in IRC last night, whoever writes the patter for these things has a real tin ear for the rhythm of language and how to use it to build audience energy. MS needs to hire some stage magicians or stand up comedians or Baptist ministers or something to help them spiff up their delivery, they don't have the intrinsic, religious-esque love of say, an Apple keynote audience.
#71 by Matt Perkins
2007-07-11 17:10:58
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
jjohnsen (#67):
And the Assasins Creed VR stuff gets more and more annoying, this latest level they showed has people blinking in and out constantly and the screen going fuzzy occasionally.  Tone it down please.

I've found myself ignoring all AC stuff now. Much like Bioshock, I wanted to be as surprised as possible when the game comes out.

My intelligence, then, is not absolute but is a function of the society I live in

"I'm not sure it's possible to make a "subtle" jab at Matt's writing ability." - Ergo
#72 by Jibble
2007-07-11 17:20:00
I kept waiting for Peter Moore to stamp his feet and scream "SEXUAL CHOCOLATE!", then toss the Halo special edition 360 onto the floor and walk off stage.

Funniest thing I've heard in days.

I saw part of it, and was pretty unimpressed. Honestly, a press conference like that isn't actually supposed to contain applause, but I guess the dynamic on that is changing. Used to be, journalists didn't want to seem biased.

Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.

Blog. 203 lbs.  23 to go.
#73 by Ray
2007-07-11 18:03:43
ray@frenden.com http://frenden.com
While I'm thinkin' of it, where was that fucking Grease Monkey script again?
#74 by Jamie
2007-07-11 18:05:28
jamie@jmadigan.net http://www.jmadigan.net
#73 by Ray

While I'm thinkin' of it, where was that fucking Grease Monkey script again?

click

#75 by jjohnsen
2007-07-11 18:05:28
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Nothing too exciting.  The Halo 3 360 was a huge dud, did they really think it would be impressive?  Like Hugin, I'm just amazed at how much stuff MS has coming out in the next 6 months.  PS3 or Nintendo could beat them on something else, but there's no way those two have the huge amount of games being released soon.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP       Johnsen Family
#76 by CheesyPoof
2007-07-11 18:06:17
What exactly is this stuff? You're talking like we all watched/read the same thing.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#77 by Ray
2007-07-11 18:07:53
ray@frenden.com http://frenden.com
Not only was it a dud, but it's fucking hideously colored. I wouldn't let that into my house if it came with a year's subscription to free handjobs.
#78 by Dumdeedum
2007-07-11 18:18:49
http://www.dumdeedum.com
What swag did you get, and how can I get some swag?

I don't think the swag itself had to be kept supar sekrit like what I sent to him*, so the full inventory was: a Fallout 3 metal lunchbox, a Fallout 3 t-shirt with "101" on the back, a Fallout 3 Pipboy bobblehead, a Fallout 3 ring bound notebook with brushed aluminium covers, an empty bottle of Nuka Cola and, for some reason, a Life Saver (which for those who, like me, haven't had them before, are really big polos that taste of Germolene).  I can supply photos of all the above (apart from the Life-Saver which I ate), should it be requested.

* 2kg of grade A colombian.

#79 by bishop
2007-07-11 18:19:53
http://www.darkintellect.com/00FF00/
I for one would cherish a nuka cola bottle. Full, though.
#80 by CheesyPoof
2007-07-11 18:20:01
GIF!!!

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#81 by hangedmanAG
2007-07-11 18:33:52
www.livejournal.com/users/hangedman_ag/
a Fallout 3 Pipboy bobblehead,

I know you mean Fallout Boy instead of Pipboy but OMG! OMG! OMG!

My crummy little life
#82 by jjohnsen
2007-07-11 18:39:02
http://www.johnsenclan.com
#76 by CheesyPoof

What exactly is this stuff? You're talking like we all watched/read the same thing.

Some of us were watching the Microsoft E3 press conference while chatting in irc last night.  It was underwhelming.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP       Johnsen Family
#83 by mgns
2007-07-11 18:39:47
Who cares about MS? Nintendo just announced the wii zapper.

fuck your song
and fuck your dance
fuck your keeping me
down and under
#84 by Greg
2007-07-11 18:53:17
I know you mean Fallout Boy instead of Pipboy but OMG! OMG! OMG!

Am I more than you bargained for? I'm watching from the bedroom wishing to be the friction in your jeans. Isn't it messed up how I'm just dying to meet you? I'm just a notch in your bedpost but you're just a line in a song.

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#85 by hangedmanAG
2007-07-11 19:02:13
www.livejournal.com/users/hangedman_ag/
Ow

My crummy little life
#86 by Marsh Davies
2007-07-11 19:37:42
www.verbalchilli.com
Can you hold off on pics for a bit, Dum? I'm fairly sure I haven't broken any rules in sending you this stuff, especially since some of it has been seen already, but I'd prefer to wait till my preview goes to press anyway, just to make sure I don't wake up in the middle of the night with an NDA being pressed over my face.

#87 by BobJustBob
2007-07-11 19:42:43
Nintendo's conference was amazing, as expected. Wii Zapper and Wii Balance Board and Wii Fit, Mario Galaxy in November and Smash Brothers in December and Mario Kart sometime next year.

"Games are not novels, and the ways in which they harbor novelistic aspirations are invariably the least interesting thing about them." - Steven Johnson
#88 by Dumdeedum
2007-07-11 19:42:58
http://www.dumdeedum.com
Sure, it was only Cheesy that asked for them anyway and he's been withholding Africa pictures for weeks now so a bit of turnaround will do him good.

#89 by Jamie
2007-07-11 19:44:17
jamie@jmadigan.net http://www.jmadigan.net
What the heck is a Wii Zapper? I'd just Google it but my work blocks all gaming sites.

#90 by Ray
2007-07-11 19:53:58
ray@frenden.com http://frenden.com
Wii Zapper = plastic housing for both wiimote and nunchuck. I question how usefull it will be to have the nunchuck saddled into it for FPS'ers, though. :(

FarCry for the Wii is underrated, btw. Lots of fun once you turn the wiimote sensitivity way up.
#91 by Matt Perkins
2007-07-11 19:54:38
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Marsh, I'll send you double of whatever Dum sent you for some fallout 3 shwag. :D

My intelligence, then, is not absolute but is a function of the society I live in

"I'm not sure it's possible to make a "subtle" jab at Matt's writing ability." - Ergo
#92 by Ergo
2007-07-11 19:55:13
#89 by Jamie

What the heck is a Wii Zapper? I'd just Google it but my work blocks all gaming sites.

Jesus, talk about anal. Why the fuck do companies do this?

You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religions. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, intelligent enough. --Aldous Huxley

DVDs
#93 by Hugin
2007-07-11 19:57:50
lmccain@nber.org
#87 by BobJustBob

Nintendo's conference was amazing, as expected.


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#94 by LPMiller
2007-07-11 19:57:57
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
BECAUSE WORK IS ABOUT WORK, GODDAMMIT! DON'T SURF, DON'T THINK ABOUT YOUR LIFE, PRODUCE!

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" — "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
#95 by BobJustBob
2007-07-11 20:00:55
PR:

The world used to be divided into two camps: gamers and non-gamers. In the first group: young men. In the second: everyone else. Then came Wii(TM) and Nintendo DS(TM).

The remarkable Wii Remote(TM) and touch screen and voice recognition of Nintendo DS removed the barriers to entry and put video games into the hands of young women, moms, dads and grandparents. Gamers now find they have a whole new population of people willing to join them in their gaming passion. At its media briefing today at the E3 Media & Business Summit in Santa Monica, Calif., Nintendo announced multiple new games and accessories designed to reinforce that bridge and further demonstrate everyone is a gamer.

"Games like Wii Sports and the original Brain Age proved anyone can pick up a video game system and immediately have fun," says Nintendo of America President Reggie Fils-Aime. "We're building on that foundation with games and accessories appealing to our current fan base and drawing in even more new players."

New games and accessories not only demonstrate that Nintendo is not going to coast on its momentum, but they also show how the power and versatility of Nintendo's systems have only just begun to be explored. What might the future bring? These are the kinds of "what-if" questions firing the imaginations of consumers when Nintendo dares to explore them. For now, the following is a roundup of Nintendo's major announcements.

Wii
-- Wii Fit(TM): This experience builds on the active-play phenomenon
started by Wii Sports(TM). It comes packed with the pressure-sensitive
Wii Balance Board (name not final) that measures users' actions in fun
aerobic, toning and balance activities. Wii Fit also promotes
communication about health among family members, as everyone can review
one another's progress on a new channel on the Wii Menu. Coming in the
first half of 2008.
-- Mario Kart(R) Wii (name not final): Nintendo's classic racing franchise
goes online. It launches with the Wii Wheel(TM) (name not final), a
steering wheel housing for the Wii Remote that lets veterans and
newcomers compete together. Launches globally in early 2008.
-- Super Mario Galaxy(TM): This amazing achievement by legendary Nintendo
game designer Shigeru Miyamoto inspires awe with its amazing sense of
gravity and fun replayability. Launches Nov. 12.
-- Wii Zapper(TM) (name not final): This unit houses both a Wii Remote and
a Nunchuk(TM) and comes packaged with Nintendo software to show off its
applications. Third-party developers have multiple games in the
pipeline that will use this dynamic new interface. Launches 2007.
-- Check Mii Out Channel (name not final): This free Wii channel builds on
the phenomenon of people creating fun Mii(TM) caricatures. Now people
can show off Miis they have created either on their own or for
Nintendo-suggested competitions. Coming in 2007.
-- Super Smash Bros.(R) Brawl: New characters, new moves and new arenas
highlight this highly anticipated game, which launches Dec. 3.
-- Metroid(R) Prime 3: Corruption: The precision aim of the Wii Remote and
Nunchuk make this one of the best-controlled first-person games ever.
Launches Aug. 27.
-- Third-Party Support: Wii has nearly 100 titles in the works from every
major publisher.

Nintendo DS
-- Brain Age(TM) 2: More Training in Minutes a Day!: This brain-training
game offers more than a dozen new brain-stimulating activities that
challenge the mind. Launches Aug. 20.
-- The Legend of Zelda(R): Phantom Hourglass: This first Zelda game for
Nintendo DS can be played with the stylus and sets a new standard for
the graphics capabilities and immersive play of this system. In Japan,
the game launched in late June and is selling well to both avid and
casual gamers, including female players. Launches Oct. 1.
-- Flash Focus(TM): Vision Training in Minutes a Day: This program is
designed to help users sharpen their "Focus Power" through a series of
fun activities and sports challenges that test hand-eye coordination,
reaction time and peripheral vision. Launches Oct. 15.
-- Third-Party Support: DS has more than 140 titles in the works from
every major publisher.


"Games are not novels, and the ways in which they harbor novelistic aspirations are invariably the least interesting thing about them." - Steven Johnson
#96 by Jibble
2007-07-11 20:07:51
The "100s of titles!" line is a bit ridiculous, considering those 100s of titles will include games like World Poker Tournament.

Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.

Blog. 203 lbs.  23 to go.
#97 by Ergo
2007-07-11 20:08:29
I still have no desire to buy a Wii.

You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religions. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, intelligent enough. --Aldous Huxley

DVDs
#98 by m0nty
2007-07-11 20:23:57
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
The world used to be divided into two camps: gamers and non-gamers. In the first group: young men. In the second: everyone else. Then came Wii(TM) and Nintendo DS(TM).

Yeah Nintendo, you can go ahead and eat a dick. Patronising fucks.
#99 by hangedmanAG
2007-07-11 20:24:27
www.livejournal.com/users/hangedman_ag/
Me neither

My crummy little life
#100 by Jibble
2007-07-11 20:29:21
Come on, old guys, climb up on the balance board! It's revolutionary!

Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.

Blog. 203 lbs.  23 to go.
#101 by Jibble
2007-07-11 20:30:57
If you want to look cool, you'll do it.

Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.

Blog. 203 lbs.  23 to go.
#102 by CheesyPoof
2007-07-11 20:32:48
Sure, it was only Cheesy that asked for them anyway and he's been withholding Africa pictures for weeks now so a bit of turnaround will do him good.

Hey now, you finished your blog so it's all good. I'm still working on mine.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#103 by Jamie
2007-07-11 20:56:36
jamie@jmadigan.net http://www.jmadigan.net
#92 by Ergo
Jesus, talk about anal. Why the fuck do companies do this?

They use 3rd party services like Websense, which just blanket bans whole swaths of the Internet for convenience. As to why they do THAT, well I think LPMiller got it.

I'm more annoyed that I can't even access Gmail or any other webmail. Except, oddly, on my work-provided Blackberry, which is slow. So a few times I day I sit at my desk and load up Gmail on that.

#104 by BobJustBob
2007-07-11 21:12:18
At my last job we found that if you used the secure Gmail server, https://mail.google.com, that it wasn't blocked.

"Games are not novels, and the ways in which they harbor novelistic aspirations are invariably the least interesting thing about them." - Steven Johnson
#105 by Jamie
2007-07-11 21:27:51
jamie@jmadigan.net http://www.jmadigan.net
Yep, tried that. It's blocked.

#106 by BobJustBob
2007-07-11 21:29:03
Forever Blue coming out in the US on October 29th? Hooray!

"Games are not novels, and the ways in which they harbor novelistic aspirations are invariably the least interesting thing about them." - Steven Johnson
#107 by jjohnsen
2007-07-11 21:35:23
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Nothing too exciting from Nintendo, I'm not impressed.  I'll buy Wii Fitness.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP       Johnsen Family
#108 by Ergo
2007-07-11 21:55:18
I can understand blocking webmail, since it's a potential gateway for virused/trojaned email.

You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religions. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, intelligent enough. --Aldous Huxley

DVDs
#109 by BobJustBob
2007-07-11 21:56:19
Some Nintendo release dates from the press pack, as reported by Eurogamer:

    * Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (Wii) - 27th August
    * Donkey Kong Barrel Blast (Wii) - 8th October
    * Battalion Wars (Wii) - 29th October
    * Endless Ocean (Wii) - 29th October
    * Fire Emblem (Wii) - 5th November
    * Super Mario Galaxy (Wii) - 12th November
    * Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii) - 3rd December

    * Brain Age 2: More Training in Minutes a Day (DS) - 20th August
    * DK Jungle Climber (DS) - 10th September
    * The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (DS) - 1st October
    * Chibi-Robo: Park Patrol (DS) - 2nd October
    * Flash Focus: Vision Training in Minutes a Day (DS) - 15th October
    * Mario Party DS (DS) - 19th November
    * Nintendo Magic (working title, DS) - 26th November
    * Professor Layton and the Curious Village (DS) - 3rd December

"Games are not novels, and the ways in which they harbor novelistic aspirations are invariably the least interesting thing about them." - Steven Johnson
#110 by Marsh Davies
2007-07-11 22:07:06
www.verbalchilli.com
Matt -

If more Fallout loot comes my way between now and release it's yours. Part of me wants to keep that kind of thing, but I really have too much stuff already.

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