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May 24th 2007, 05:31 CEST by Gabe

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#776 by CheesyPoof
2007-07-02 21:56:10
Part IV, where we eat breakfast with the lions

Our 5:00AM wakeup call arrived in the form of one of the staff members banging on our door. I had ordered some coffee, so I opened the door to let him in with it. He took his duties at waking people up very seriously and after setting the coffee tray down he said to my wife, “Mama, wake up. Mama needs to wakeup.” I thanked him and escorted him to the door. It was either creepy or endearing; personally I think it was a little bit of both. I poured us some coffee to help shake the cobwebs out of our heads. Included with the coffee tray were a couple of cookies to hold us over till our breakfast. We showered and got ready to go. Before leaving we made sure to have our laundry set out for the day. We packed up our things and were ready to go. I grabbed the flashlight off the desk, opened the front door and signaled to the escort that we ready to leave.

Exactly at 6:00 we met our guide in the lobby area of the camp. Our breakfast and lunch were already loaded in the jeep, so we walked over and piled in. The sun hadn’t risen yet so it was quite cool out. The clouds did not break following the rains the night before and when the sun finally did rise we did not get to see an African sunrise. On our game drive Firoz explained to us that we had a good opportunity to see lions. They hate water and would avoid it at all costs. Following a rain they could be found lounging on the road since it dries faster than the bush. While driving on the road that led to the airstrip we landed at, our guide spotted some animal spoor on the road. A kopje was not far off to our left which would have also been a good place for lions to escape the wet ground. However, he determined that they were hyenas, as evidenced by the claw mark in the print, and not lions. We passed a tree that had vultures roosting in it. He told us that vultures won’t fly out of the tree until around 10:00. Their wings get heavy in the dew and will wait for them to dry out, as well as the ground so they don’t get wet again.

We spotted our first predator of the day walking down the road after almost two hours of driving. It wasn’t the lions we were after, but a mated pair of silverback jackals. The jackals are fairly small animals and would have been difficult to see in grass of any significant length. To me they looked like large foxes. Our guide told us about the game that the hunt, small reptiles, birds and mammals, and that they mate for life. After a few minutes watching we continued on our way.

We had driven only another 10 minutes when Firoz let out a loud “Yes!” and clapped his hands together. He had found us our first pride of lions. They had been hanging by the road but the sound of us coming made them get up and move before we saw them. Firoz spotted them ahead of us and to the right moving into the bush. It was a large pride; there were at least ten lions that we could see. The pride included juvenile lions that were nearing maturity, including some males that were going to be kicked out soon, but no cubs that we could see. The dominant male of the pride hangs out away from the lionesses and the cubs for his peace and quiet. This meant that he was the closest one to us on the road. He was a blond male, but not very large according to our guide. He speculated that this male was relatively new to the pride and that had recently taken it over. The view of the pride, other than the male, was not very good, but we were able to get a couple of good pictures through the trees. We sat and watched them for about 15 minutes when we let them be.

It was almost 8:30 when we left the lions and so our guide suggested that we stop to have breakfast. We weren’t near any campground so we would have to set up in the bush to eat. We turned on to a side road not far from where we watched the lions and continued for a couple hundred meters where we parked next to a tree. Firoz took out the picnic basket and set up a portable table. He unpacked a basket that would have had enough food to feed 5 people, forget about the 3 of us. In the basket were a selection of pastries and breads, three different kinds of cold cereal with milk (in a box, but not cold), hard boiled eggs, yogurt, a selection of sliced meat (looked like cold cuts), and hot water for coffee and tea. We stood under an acacia tree and ate. Firoz remarked that the lions were only 300m away, but don’t worry, we were fine. After eating he packed everything up and we were on our way.

The next 45 minutes of our drive were uneventful until we came across another guide parked on the road. Firoz asked him what they see and he told us that there was a cheetah in the bush about 40 yards away from the road. We had driven by this area on our way to where the lions were and had not noticed anything. Indeed, the cheetah was very well camouflaged in the bush (we have a picture that demonstrates this). We could only pick out the cheetah when it moved its head or flicked its tail. We spent several minutes watching the cat lounge while our guide gave us background information on the animal. Things got a little more interesting when the animal stood up. We now had “action” shots and could take a picture of more than its face and ears. It started walking around gingerly, not doing much, but in an instant its posture and tone change. It was staring intently off in the distance at something. Our guide said what we were all thinking, “she’s on the hunt”. It crept around the bush a little bit, sneaking forward to the plain where wildebeest, zebra and some antelopes were gathered. Our guide told us that cheetahs don’t rely much on stealth and that when she spots her prey she will take off after it. All of us were watching the cheetah intently. She paused with her gaze fixed in the distance and started walking slowly towards the field. Her pace quickened until one explosive moment she was off at full speed across the plain. I was trying to follow her as much as possible with the video camera, but I lost her as she raced towards her target. Zebra and wildebeest scattered at full speed away from the cheetah. Our eagle eyed guide, however, did not lose her in the commotion and provided the play by play, “I can see her, she is going after a baby antelope. They are both running away, I think she is going to get her. Yes, she got her. She got the baby antelope. Now she is going to rest to regain her strength before she eats. Oh, I see some jackals out there. They are going to try and steal the kill from her. If they’re going to do it they need to do it now after her run when she is tired. If she gets her strength back she will take the kill away from them.” The cheetah was far off in the distance and even though Firoz tried to show us where it was I was unable to see it. After our adrenaline wore off we exchanged superlatives with the English couple in the other jeep that watched the hunt with us. It was very exciting to watch a cheetah on the hunt, but in the end anti-climatic because by the time it is over it will be so far away that only those with professional camera equipment would be able to see it with the kill. Still, it was our exciting moment we had in Africa to date.

Firoz started up the land cruiser and we continued on our way south to the central part of the Serengeti. We came upon a herd of zebra that were spread out to both sides of the road. A few were on the road that galloped out of the way as we drove though. We laughed at how we geeked out over the first zebras we saw and now they were only a few feet away from the car. We stopped and took a bunch of pictures.

Along the way to the central Serengeti were a number of small streams that we had to ford. The park did pour concrete for the vehicles to drive over, so it wasn’t some exotic river crossing. The streams were a beautiful collection of rock outcroppings and tropical trees that wouldn’t grow elsewhere in the Serengeti. At one stream crossing we saw a juvenile Nile crocodile. It was only about 4 feet long. Further along in our journey we were able to see giraffes up close. They were only about 30 feet from the car and you could hear leaves being ripped from the tree. When they would walk you would hear a gentle swishing sound as their legs moved through the grass. What we did not expect to see were their hind quarters and neck twitching involuntarily. It made them look neurotic and creepy. Our guide explained that the twitching is a defense against the flies and that it shakes them off their body. It was an odd sight and not one that I got used to seeing.

Nearby one of the streams we found some hippos in a pool.  They were resting in the water not doing much. There was a baby present. The guide explained to us that the reason the water is brown is due to the hippos and their excrement. They’ll defecate where they swim and it will pollute the water. Apparently they’re not very clean animals. Near the pool we were able to see the path that was worn down by the hippos as they always exit and enter the water to feed. He explained that so many people end up getting killed by hippos because they’re out after night and cross one of these lanes while a hippo is moving and they attack them.

By this time it was around 12:30 and we pulled into a visitor center for lunch. There were picnic tables, so Firoz set up lunch while we went to the bathrooms, which were among the cleanest in the park that aren’t in a lodge. Apparently the ground rules are that, due to space limitations, once you are done with lunch you clean the area and vacate it. The only table with room that Firoz found was with some bloke that had finished eating and was having a smoke. We sat down and unloaded our basket and proceeded to eat while he smoked. He mumbled something like, “have a good day” when he left. Firoz thought he was Russian, but I thought he was English. Either way it was tough to tell since he mumbled. Lunch was another meal with a lot of food. We were given saffron couscous, cucumber salad, an eggplant dish, and strips of some type of meat (I think pork). I was a bit wary at first in eating the meat as it wasn’t very cold. I think they packed it with ice, but I feared that melted a few hours back. Perhaps foolishly, I put my faith in that the staff wouldn’t make a lunch that would give their guests severe GI distress and put my fears aside and chowed down.

We talked with Firoz a little bit about the migration camp we were staying at and what it was like for him. At the migration camp they employ only single men and they stay there for six months at a time. No women work there, save the wife of the South African couple that manages the property, as they think that having women there would cause trouble. While they work there, their room and board is paid for, but I don’t think that there is a lot of downtime/days off for the staff. The guides are housed in a dormitory type building. They don’t get a choice for dinner and are given one course taken from what is served to the guests and some extra rice (or starch of the day).

We finished up lunch and Firoz invited us to explore the visitor’s center while he loaded up the jeep. The visitor center was built around a kopje and had a short walking path to learn about the Serengeti Park and the great migration that goes on. We walked around it but did not stop and stay too long. There were a lot of those rock hyraxes at the kopje. It was a bit disconcerting to be looking over one of the rocks and see dozens of beady eyes staring back at you. We quickly walked through the path to get out of there. At one point we walked underneath a candelabra tree that wigged us out even more (our guide had told us it was a poisonous tree (actually a cactus) that would make you go blind if you got sap in your eye). So we walked back to our 4x4 as fast as possible and continued on our drive.

There was a lot more 4x4 traffic in this area of the park than what we had seen the day before. It was not uncommon to see several jeeps in the area with you. In addition to the 4x4 traffic were a significant number of trucks going through the area. We asked about this and learned that they are either bringing supplies to the camps as everything must be trucked in (fuel for generators, etc.), or they were only passing through the park. It is too big to drive around it so the truckers had to drive through it for their routes. All of this extra traffic certainly took away some of the allure of the Serengeti. Going into it you feel like it’s this exotic location, but it is most definitely not the road less traveled.

For our afternoon drive our guide was trying to find a leopard for us. It is the most difficult animal of the big 5 to see as it is nocturnal, secretive, and can hide very well in trees. We saw herds more of wildebeest, zebra, giraffes, gazelles, and birds, but no leopard. The guides keep in contact with their radios and when someone sees something interesting will tell everyone else so they can take their clients there. On this day in the Serengeti (an area the size of Belgium) no one saw a leopard.

The afternoon was not a total washout; we did see our first cape buffalo (another one of the big 5, so we’re 3/5 at this point). It was too far away for really great pictures, but we would see a lot more of them elsewhere. We also encountered our first monkeys, called vervet monkeys. The guides informally call them blue balls monkeys, because, well, their balls are blue. They do stand out when sitting on a tree.

By this point in the day it was around 2:30 in the afternoon and getting late. We spent some extra time looking for the leopard and had a 2-2:30 hour drive back to camp. The camera batteries had died right after we saw the monkeys and the video camera was on a sliver of life left. It was time to head back. It was at this point we saw a cheetah walking out of the bush to the left of us. We stopped the jeep and Firoz got on the radio to tell all the other guides. It crossed the road 10 feet in front of our 4x4, but we didn’t have the juice to get any still pictures. I was able to record some video of it as it went off to the right. Behind us we could see a few other guides coming up to watch it.

We left the area and took the same roads back to camp. We didn’t see anything new on the way back, but we weren’t looking hard. It did thunderstorm for the third afternoon in a row. Before getting back to camp we agreed to leave the next morning at 7:30. We would be checking out of the Migration Camp and moving to the Serengeti Sopa Lodge. We got back to camp at 5:00, two hours later than intended in what turned out to be an 11 hour game drive. It was an exhausting day, but a rewarding one and definitely worth it.

We went back to our room to rest and change before dinner, even taking a short nap. Dinner that night was another 4 course meal. It was relatively unremarkable except for dessert. For dessert they had “hot chocolate mouse.” We both ordered that not sure what we would be getting. What we got was a small molten chocolate cake that was prepared in a coffee cup. It was excellent and I could have had four more. We finished dinner and made arrangements for a 6:30 wakeup call the next day and met an escort back to the tent. On our way back the escort found an animal with his light. My wife, told all these stories of hippos and lions, jumped at the eyes in the darkness, but they quickly turned and jumped away. It was only a hare. We retired to our room exhausted but wondering what, if anything, Africa could deliver tomorrow that could top today? As it turns out we would not be disappointed.

Part V to be continued…

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#777 by jjohnsen
2007-07-02 22:45:09
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Awesome.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP       Johnsen Family
#778 by deadlock
2007-07-02 23:52:05
http://www.deadlocked.org/
Cheesy:

Where do I send the bill for my RSI treatment?

#779 by CheesyPoof
2007-07-03 01:23:13
See: extra credit work for m0nty.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#780 by jjohnsen
2007-07-03 22:15:23
http://www.johnsenclan.com
I'm not sure how many IT guys here would know this, but I have a school problem.  I was concentrating on three general ed classes because I thought my first IT class wasn't testing until next term.  Now I realize the term ends a month later than I thought and so I actually have to test on this stuff in three weeks.  I don't have time to do the classwork for it, and all I know about it is it covers these four areas.

  
p004588   The graduate demonstrates a basic working knowledge of networked resources.
   p004589 The graduate can describe the role and basic functioning of hardware and software needed for Internet business.
   p004590 The graduate understands how to organize and produce a simple but functioning Web site.
   p004591 The graduate is able to demonstrate knowledge of Web Browser functionality, specific uses, configuration, and customization.


Anyone have an idea offhand of a book(s) that could teach me this stuff in three weeks, or am I screwed?  I accept all mockery that will be given to me about this as long as it comes with suggestions.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP       Johnsen Family
#781 by Ergo
2007-07-04 06:57:39
jj--

That's pretty basic stuff. You should be able to round up that knowledge from websites in a few days. 3 weeks? Piece of cake.

You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religions. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, intelligent enough. --Aldous Huxley

DVDs
#782 by None-1a
2007-07-04 07:30:11
I'm kind of confused here. The first two sound like they could be about in depth topics while the last two sound like something out of a 'how to use a computer for beginers' course.
#783 by Shadarr
2007-07-04 07:30:57
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Were you going to class?  I'm confused as to how you can get to the end of a term without knowing what was covered in the class.

Based on what the outline says, I suspect you could pass the exam without knowing what was covered in the class.  Assuming that you own a computer and know how to create a web page and change your browser settings.

Horrible song of the nonce: Left Behind
#784 by Shadarr
2007-07-04 07:34:37
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
The first two sound like they could be about in depth topics while the last two sound like something out of a 'how to use a computer for beginers' course.

Yeah, but based on the last two the first two probably are things like "a network is a bunch of computers connected by wires" and "the internet is not a big truck, it's a series of tubes" and not a detailed description of how data is transmitted over CAT5 cable as square waves.

Horrible song of the nonce: Left Behind
#785 by bago
2007-07-04 20:16:04
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
I was playing with my 8525 while watching the losers in portland line up for a n iphone.

Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.
#786 by deadlock
2007-07-04 20:21:45
http://www.deadlocked.org/
Who is more loserish? The loser? Or the loser that watches the losers?

#787 by bago
2007-07-04 20:41:50
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
I already do everything they do, for half the price, with 3g. And I went snowboarding. And stayed the weekend with a girl who named her cat packet. Beats getting rained on for steve jobs.

Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.
#788 by Shadarr
2007-07-04 20:55:12
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Even though I think the iPhone is overpriced and unnecessary, as attempts to impress people go it's a lot more effective than telling people you went snowboarding and spent the weekend with some chick.

You know what?  I spent the long weekend with a girl too.  We didn't go snowboarding, but we did go hiking on the coast, and I sang a solo on Sunday.  OMG Im awesomer than the iPhone!

Horrible song of the nonce: Left Behind
#789 by bago
2007-07-04 23:15:35
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
They were waiting in line in the rain while I had a cocktail and faster internet with all of the same abilities as their god machine. It was amusiing. Especially watching the hipster couple manually transfer numbers from their razr to their iphone.

Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.
#790 by LPMiller
2007-07-04 23:42:48
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
smarmy elitism doesn't really become you.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" — "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
#791 by bago
2007-07-04 23:58:25
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
More like it defines me.

Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.
#792 by hangedmanAG
2007-07-04 23:59:14
www.livejournal.com/users/hangedman_ag/
They were waiting in line in the rain while I had a cocktail and faster internet with all of the same abilities as their god machine. It was amusiing. Especially watching the hipster couple manually transfer numbers from their razr to their iphone.

I have to call bullshit for 2 reasons

1)  Isn't the iPhone is the only cell phone that can use a standard wireless connection from any hot spot which is definitely all of downtown portland and that wireless connection is faster than your 3g so quit being so sad.

2)  Anybody who goes to Burning Man and brags about it shouldn't call anybody else hipsters because they are the worse kind of hipster, the one that is bragging about it 10 years after something has became passe

My crummy little life
#793 by Warren Marshall
2007-07-05 00:39:46
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
They were waiting in line in the rain while I had a cocktail and faster internet with all of the same abilities as their god machine.

You know what?  Bullshit.

People who want to get on their high horses about the iPhone are missing the point.  It's not WHAT the iPhone does it's HOW it does it.  No phone has been put together as well as the iPhone.  No phone has an interface as slick as the iPhone and no phone has an equivalently integrated feature set.

So, I'm sorry you didn't get an iPhone and/or couldn't afford one, but don't try to feed me some line of bullshit about how your phone does all the same stuff.

#794 by gaggle
2007-07-05 02:03:04
#791 by bago
More like it defines me.

Gotta say LP, he's got you there, heh.


And yeah it's old ancient news that the interesting thing about iPhone lies not in the features but in the interface.

"…a four-dimensional real vector space equipped with a nondegenerate, symmetric bilinear form."
#795 by None-1a
2007-07-05 04:20:44
#792 by hangedmanAG
Isn't the iPhone is the only cell phone that can use a standard wireless connection from any hot spot which is definitely all of downtown portland and that wireless connection is faster than your 3g so quit being so sad.


Not quite.  

As for it selling on it's merits if masses of people are really willing to pay $600 more (or $900 if you want to count idiots buying on ebay) for better integration of a subset of existing features (it's lacking quite a few of the more common things) and a slick UI why don't macs sell far better then they do? If could see that argument if they'd launched with a cheaper less feature rich iPhone 'nano' and allowed price subsidies so the price gap wasn't 40 miles wide, but at these prices image is more important then any thing else. Now granted they don't release complete crap that looks nice, but offer a decent enough device sold on style isn't the same thing as selling it purely on features. Apple knows that, better then anyone really, and releases the high end version first to capture the hipster market and build mindshare which explains the really low goals they set for the device.
#796 by hangedmanAG
2007-07-05 05:45:42
www.livejournal.com/users/hangedman_ag/
Not quite.

Ah, good to know

My crummy little life
#797 by Warren Marshall
2007-07-05 11:33:17
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
why don't macs sell far better then they do?

They're selling better every month.  Apple gains market share every single month.  Give it 10 years and I'll bet Macs are the dominant home computer.  They may never break into the business world but I'll bet they take over home computing.

#798 by Wudi
2007-07-05 12:30:44
7.5/10

Zep--

Save the cheerleader ... Save the world.
#799 by m0nty
2007-07-05 12:56:49
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Wudi (#798):
7.5/10

Zep--

0/10
#800 by Gunp01nt
2007-07-05 13:36:10
supersimon33@hotmail.com
#797 by Warren Marshall

why don't macs sell far better then they do?

They're selling better every month.  Apple gains market share every single month.  Give it 10 years and I'll bet Macs are the dominant home computer.  They may never break into the business world but I'll bet they take over home computing.


How will they take over home computing without doing the same for the business world? Most people still use at home what they use at work.

And there used to be a way to stick it to the Man. It was called rock 'n roll, but guess what, oh no, the Man ruined that, too, with a little thing called MTV!
#801 by Warren Marshall
2007-07-05 14:12:55
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Most people still use at home what they use at work.

Anecdotally, I've been seeing a change there.  People will sometimes have a Mac for everything besides work/gaming or will completely replace their home machine with a Mac because, hey, who wants to work at home anyway?

#802 by deadlock
2007-07-05 14:34:56
http://www.deadlocked.org/
Not me! I don't even want to work in work!

#803 by CheesyPoof
2007-07-05 14:50:28
If you need to work at home you'll be given a laptop.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#804 by Jibble
2007-07-05 15:06:37
The tide is turning, but slowly. Macs are no longer as niche as they once were, and Apple's penetration in the music player and now cell phone fields are growing the brand at a quick pace. They know what they're doing, and it has nothing to do with selling you a bucket of parts like most computer companies have been doing. They're selling a lifestyle. Their dominance in the music player business shows that it can work.

It's really not hard to see. Most PC commercials (aside from HP with their "The Computer is Personal Again" campaign) give you a bunch of system specs and a price point. Mac commercials rarely (if ever) tell you how much something costs or how many gigahertz it runs at. They're saying "We know you're busy, but that you still want to make a neat-o photo album. Buy this computer if you want to do that with no hassle."

Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.

Blog. 203 lbs.  23 to go.
#805 by deadlock
2007-07-05 15:20:30
http://www.deadlocked.org/
Just thinking about it, I don't think I've ever seem an ad on Irish/UK TV for Apple Macs.

#806 by CheesyPoof
2007-07-05 15:44:00
So switch ad back in the day? Not the personification of PC and Mac commercials?

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#807 by deadlock
2007-07-05 15:53:56
http://www.deadlocked.org/
Nope, though I hear they have the PC/Mac ones in the works using British comedians instead of American ones.

#808 by hangedmanAG
2007-07-05 16:10:39
www.livejournal.com/users/hangedman_ag/
They already have them according to Wikipedia

My crummy little life
#809 by Matt Perkins
2007-07-05 16:12:45
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
And no really even took you up on your iPhone troll, Warren. And after all of that effort...

My intelligence, then, is not absolute but is a function of the society I live in

"I'm not sure it's possible to make a "subtle" jab at Matt's writing ability." - Ergo
#810 by Warren Marshall
2007-07-05 16:38:02
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
If by "troll" you mean "opinion that doesn't match mine", I agree.

#811 by jjohnsen
2007-07-05 18:01:27
http://www.johnsenclan.com
None-1a
I'm kind of confused here. The first two sound like they could be about in depth topics while the last two sound like something out of a 'how to use a computer for beginers' course.

The actual class is CIW Foundations, I couldn't tell if it was stuff that I already knew because I don't even know what the class is.   This class is totally online, you watch videos of the instructor, communicate through email, etc.  So when I wasn't doing anything the professor thought I had dropped the class, while I thought the class didn't start until next semester.  So I'm happily going along passing my English finals with flying colors while this one sat by the side.

It does sound pretty basic (other than I don't know much about building webites), I just wasn't sure because I haven't even ordered the textbooks, so I honestly have no idea what the class is about other than that short description.


bago
They were waiting in line in the rain while I had a cocktail and faster internet with all of the same abilities as their god machine. It was amusiing. Especially watching the hipster couple manually transfer numbers from their razr to their iphone.

Possibly the most annoying post of all time.  Roving gangs of vigilantes should be beating the shit out of people as smarmy as this.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP       Johnsen Family
#812 by Matt Perkins
2007-07-05 18:12:25
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Warren Marshall (#810):
If by "troll" you mean "opinion that doesn't match mine", I agree.

Do you have an iPhone?

My intelligence, then, is not absolute but is a function of the society I live in

"I'm not sure it's possible to make a "subtle" jab at Matt's writing ability." - Ergo
#813 by Ergo
2007-07-05 18:18:03
He will.

You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religions. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, intelligent enough. --Aldous Huxley

DVDs
#814 by Matt Perkins
2007-07-05 18:40:28
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Maybe he will...but for the moment he's arguing the supreme virtue of something he probably hasn't used for more than 5 minutes.

My intelligence, then, is not absolute but is a function of the society I live in

"I'm not sure it's possible to make a "subtle" jab at Matt's writing ability." - Ergo
#815 by schnee
2007-07-05 18:43:29
david@snowdesign.com http://www.snowdesign.com
if masses of people are really willing to pay $600 more (or $900 if you want to count idiots buying on ebay) for better integration of a subset of existing features (it's lacking quite a few of the more common things) and a slick UI why don't macs sell far better then they do?


Ok, let's fix this stupid debate to get a real comparison.

if masses of people are really willing to pay $200 more for better integration of a subset of existing features (it's lacking quite a few of the more common things) and a slick UI why don't iPods sell far better then they do?


Oh, wait, iPods took over the market. All the tech goobers that whined and bitched and moaned about the iPod being 'less storage, fewer features, no wireless, lame' haven't learned a damn thing, and are rehashing the same arguments.

The iPhone won't own the whole market, but it will get an entirely new set of users buying smart-phone devices. Those people have disposable income, and no patience for shitty tech devices that force you to become a nerd or a computer expert to use them.
#816 by Warren Marshall
2007-07-05 18:56:24
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Careful, schnee, you wouldn't want to be accused of trolling.

#817 by Warren Marshall
2007-07-05 18:57:12
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Maybe he will...but for the moment he's arguing the supreme virtue of something he probably hasn't used for more than 5 minutes.

No, I'm arguing what I know and what I've heard from people who have iPhones.  I'm not sure why not owning an iPhone disqualifies me from commenting on it's capabilities.  I AM able to read, you know.

#818 by Matt Perkins
2007-07-05 19:16:15
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Warren Marshall (#817):
Maybe he will...but for the moment he's arguing the supreme virtue of something he probably hasn't used for more than 5 minutes.

No, I'm arguing what I know and what I've heard from people who have iPhones.  I'm not sure why not owning an iPhone disqualifies me from commenting on it's capabilities.  I AM able to read, you know.

Oh, my bad. You can read. I had no idea.

But, since you can read, can you explain to me how reading about a device and it's functionality is the same thing as using it long term? I'm of the belief no one can tell me at this point the iPhone is the next coming. If you listen to the reviews, they all say, "pretty damn cool, but has some problems". To say, with that sort of thing in mind,

It's not WHAT the iPhone does it's HOW it does it.  No phone has been put together as well as the iPhone.  No phone has an interface as slick as the iPhone and no phone has an equivalently integrated feature set.

seems a bit of overkill to me. Maybe it's just me.

To continue, I'm going with the idea, yeah, the iPhone could be great. But lets have people use them for awhile, have them get software updates they are most likely to get, give the competition a chance to answer back before we declare them the coolest thing to grace god's good earth. For the love all man.


Also, Warren, my good sir, you're probably the least able person to objectively look at the iPhone on this board...get back to me Leslie or (gods forbid) bago is pushing it.

My intelligence, then, is not absolute but is a function of the society I live in

"I'm not sure it's possible to make a "subtle" jab at Matt's writing ability." - Ergo
#819 by Warren Marshall
2007-07-05 19:19:18
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Then ignore my posts from now on, Matt.  OK?  Because, if you don't, you're the one trolling.  Thanks!

#820 by Matt Perkins
2007-07-05 19:42:35
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Warren Marshall (#819):
Then ignore my posts from now on, Matt.  OK?  Because, if you don't, you're the one trolling.  Thanks!

Well thought out argument and rebuttal.

My intelligence, then, is not absolute but is a function of the society I live in

"I'm not sure it's possible to make a "subtle" jab at Matt's writing ability." - Ergo
#821 by Shadarr
2007-07-05 19:44:18
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Trolling a troll?  That could never happen here!

Horrible song of the nonce: Left Behind
#822 by bishop
2007-07-05 19:45:19
http://www.darkintellect.com/00FF00/
Who is more trollish, the troll or the troll who.. trollows?

/fail :(
#823 by Warren Marshall
2007-07-05 19:48:06
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Well thought out argument and rebuttal.

Since we both know you can't do what I asked ... What's your problem, exactly?  That I defended the iPhone without actually owning one?  Does that sum it up?

#824 by Matt Perkins
2007-07-05 19:59:16
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
I don't have a problem. I was just pointing out the lunacy, imo, of saying how great something is that you've never used and has been out less than a week. If I had to come up with a problem, it would be your blind love of all things Apple...but I honestly don't care other than to have fun arguing against it.

As for ignoring your posts...doesn't that defeat the purpose passing the time at work?

My intelligence, then, is not absolute but is a function of the society I live in

"I'm not sure it's possible to make a "subtle" jab at Matt's writing ability." - Ergo
#825 by jjohnsen
2007-07-05 20:05:54
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Apple has a good track record for me, and they must with warren as well.  It's the only reason I gave a $600 phone a second thought.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP       Johnsen Family
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