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	Things I don't care about July 9th 2007, 19:55 CEST by lwf Here is a place for all of you to talk about WoW, Magic, LOTRO, C+, C#, Visual Basic, Pointers, Gardening, Astrology, MeyersBriggs, Gaggle vs. Joker, and Jibble's kinks.

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#1656 by G-Man
2007-12-28 21:26:16

McBain: I think we are miscommunicating. I was talking about whether or not anything AT&T etc. did was criminal (as opposed to merely in violation of disclosure obligations or their agreements). You seem to be talking about whether the things the government did are criminal or in violation of the Constitution.

#1657 by Matt Perkins
2007-12-28 22:15:27

It breaks laws to just give away private information of consumers without their knowledge, consent or a warrant... I'm not following you're argument on how it's not private information.

As purely anecdotal evidence, if it didn't break laws, why are the telecommunications companies gunning so hard to get this bill in place?

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#1658 by G-Man
2007-12-28 23:08:11

It breaks laws to just give away private information of consumers without their knowledge, consent or a warrant... I'm not following you're argument on how it's not private information.

It does? Which laws? The whole point I was making is that I'm not sure it actually does.

As purely anecdotal evidence, if it didn't break laws, why are the telecommunications companies gunning so hard to get this bill in place?

To avoid civil liability, which is an entirely separate thing.

#1659 by McBain
2007-12-29 01:08:06

EFF is claiming that AT&T did this: http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/47usc605.htm

Seems criminal.

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#1660 by McBain
2007-12-29 02:45:26

There are other parts of EFF's complaint against AT&T that are both civil and criminal.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode50/usc_sup_01_50_10_36_20_I.html

#1661 by G-Man
2007-12-29 10:02:01

I think that AT&T can rely on exceptions to the first statute and I think that the second statute is inapplicable to AT&T. But I see your point.

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