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July 9th 2007, 19:55 CEST by lwf Here is a place for all of you to talk about WoW, Magic, LOTRO, C+, C#, Visual Basic, Pointers, Gardening, Astrology, MeyersBriggs, Gaggle vs. Joker, and Jibble's kinks. |
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#1650 by G-Man What do you expect? I'm busy. Maybe later I'll give you a long essay with links and whatnot. No need. I won't read it, anyway. You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religions. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, intelligent enough. --Aldous Huxley
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I liked G-man's stories about Russian mafia (but I didn't read that threat whole, so who knows). |
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G-man, you only answered one question there, and I believe that there is indeed an expectation of privacy. Otherwise, would would any law enforcement agency get warrants for any phone taps ever? "Why would I wanna read the book? All I'm saying is, I see a game every day. I watch baseball every day. I have a better understanding about why things happen than the computer, because the computer only tells you what you put in it. I could make that computer say what I wanted it to say, if I put the right things in there. ... The computer is only as good as what you put in it. How do you think we got Enron?"
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Airplanes and trains as common carriers are public places with no expectation of privacy. "Why would I wanna read the book? All I'm saying is, I see a game every day. I watch baseball every day. I have a better understanding about why things happen than the computer, because the computer only tells you what you put in it. I could make that computer say what I wanted it to say, if I put the right things in there. ... The computer is only as good as what you put in it. How do you think we got Enron?"
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McBain: I think we are miscommunicating. I was talking about whether or not anything AT&T etc. did was criminal (as opposed to merely in violation of disclosure obligations or their agreements). You seem to be talking about whether the things the government did are criminal or in violation of the Constitution. |
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It breaks laws to just give away private information of consumers without their knowledge, consent or a warrant... I'm not following you're argument on how it's not private information. As purely anecdotal evidence, if it didn't break laws, why are the telecommunications companies gunning so hard to get this bill in place? "Thug means never having to say you're sorry." - UTurn
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It breaks laws to just give away private information of consumers without their knowledge, consent or a warrant... I'm not following you're argument on how it's not private information. It does? Which laws? The whole point I was making is that I'm not sure it actually does. As purely anecdotal evidence, if it didn't break laws, why are the telecommunications companies gunning so hard to get this bill in place? To avoid civil liability, which is an entirely separate thing. |
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EFF is claiming that AT&T did this: http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/47usc605.htm Seems criminal. "Why would I wanna read the book? All I'm saying is, I see a game every day. I watch baseball every day. I have a better understanding about why things happen than the computer, because the computer only tells you what you put in it. I could make that computer say what I wanted it to say, if I put the right things in there. ... The computer is only as good as what you put in it. How do you think we got Enron?"
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There are other parts of EFF's complaint against AT&T that are both civil and criminal. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode50/usc_sup_01_50_10_36_20_I.html "Why would I wanna read the book? All I'm saying is, I see a game every day. I watch baseball every day. I have a better understanding about why things happen than the computer, because the computer only tells you what you put in it. I could make that computer say what I wanted it to say, if I put the right things in there. ... The computer is only as good as what you put in it. How do you think we got Enron?"
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I think that AT&T can rely on exceptions to the first statute and I think that the second statute is inapplicable to AT&T. But I see your point. |
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