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October 20th 2006, 21:49 BST by Hugin There seem to be some actual games for the launch lineup, both full bore retail box games and some good looking downloadable/arcade type games. The 500 dollar model got HDMI. The online service seems to actually exist, and even offers (arguably/potentially) some advantages over Live. Ripoff or no, there appears to be some legitimate developer support for Sixaxis control. Reports from people who've gotten their hands on the units have been fairly favorable (in terms of unit noise, quality of games, etc) So, is Sony managing to slow the pace of its own self-face stabbing and bring a product to market that a sane gamer might actually want? Are you still unconvinced? Has Microsoft's window of opportunity for the 360 dominating this generation begun to close? Or will the year heads start hold up? And how about the Wii? Are you still excited about the Wiimote? Is there anying you want besides Zelda in the launch lineup? Will Nintendo walk away with this generation while PS3 and 360 trade body blows like a couple of paunchy heavyweight boxers? Discuss amongst yourselves! /Linda Richman handwaves |
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None of the games interest me yet, if I was going to buy a console for Christmas it would be the Wii or 360, both of which have games that I want. I sold my PS2 a year after I bought it and never missed it, this time around I'll wait until it has some must-haves, which the PS2 never did for me. Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore. -LP Johnsen Family
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How could the PS2 not have any games you want? By my reckoning, it has at least five titles in every genre that ever existed. "About me, around me,
spinning me, galling me, doublenelsoning me until before it's begun and after it's done I'm overwhelmed by Them. Raped. Defied. Tried. Lynched. Staked. Despised. Everybody gets a turn." - Mark Z. Danielewski, Only Revolutions |
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Nothing interested me after I sold it that didn't also come out on the Xbox. Before I sold it there were a few. Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore. -LP Johnsen Family
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You must be even pickier than Hugin. "About me, around me,
spinning me, galling me, doublenelsoning me until before it's begun and after it's done I'm overwhelmed by Them. Raped. Defied. Tried. Lynched. Staked. Despised. Everybody gets a turn." - Mark Z. Danielewski, Only Revolutions |
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When I got my Xbox I didn't play much on the PS2 after that either. A rare exclusive title sure, but the load times were so long on all PS2 games, I just got tired of it. I'm assuming load times won't be a problem on the PS3, just like they aren't on the 360. I love me some me. | "Aren't I on record as loving trannies?" - McBain
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Wudi think along the lines of how pc online play works. Sure they can charge but very few will. #11 by Matt Perkins The funniest part is, even with the not unified online stuff (part of what made and makes Live great), That makes no difference at all. As long as there's a single log in and a single place to buy thing the user will never know the back end isn't unified. Even the old standby of cheat prevention isn't as important any more as most major publishers have improved greatly there (plus being able to patch out exploits unlike the ps2 online system). |
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Perhaps the biggest "issue" with the PS3's online component is how well it seamlessly integrates into games. The 360 handles this pretty well, with invitations and messages, etc. |^^^^^^^^^^^^ |||__
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By my reckoning, it has at least five titles in every genre that ever existed. Sometimes, those 5 titles are bad. But mostly I agree with you. Due to the sheer volume of games for the PS2, there is bound to be something that is liked by someone, and is also exclusive. Funk. I am sofa king. We todd ed.
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I think Bob is saying 5 must haves in each genre. The PS2 and PSX always has a lot of crap in each genre. |
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I reckon the PS3 is actually going to do better than people expect, although given how fashionable PS3 bashing has become, exceeding expectations shouldn't be hard. The price will probably make initial uptake slow but it's only going to get cheaper over time and the hefty technical spec should help for the long haul - the PS2 is still selling after 6 years after all. Whether it'll be as successful as the PS2 or not... who knows, depends on what the games are like I guess. Oh, and they really need to hire a better case design team because the PS3 is one ugly-ass bit of kit. The Wii on the other hand will sell really well initially, then there'll be a big backlash as people realise that the wavy arm stuff sucks, then finally it'll sell much like any other Nintendo console once everyone hooks up their gamepads and plays its gamepad-centred games. And through it all I'll be telling you how much superior I am for sticking with my PC. Guest MP3 Of The Week: Benjamin Zephaniah - Superstar.mp3 (Thanks Hugin!)
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You must be even pickier than Hugin. Not picky, just not easily impressed. After GTA came to the PC, the only time I was tempted to re-purchase a PS2 was when Katamari Damacy was released. Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore. -LP Johnsen Family
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i wonder how many people grousing about the price are doing it from a $3000 PC that runs WoW 12 hours a day? |
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I won't buy anything this year, but the first one I buy will probably be the Wii. Its price and uniqueness make it the obvious first choice. But like every other console, it requires at least one must-have title before I'll buy. As far as how the generation will play out, I think that's harder to say. MS has largely squandered their head start, however since the PS3 is having similar supply problems at launch it means they will get a second chance at Christmas with only the Wii as legitimate competition. The wrench in that is that the PS3 will be out, even if you can't buy it, and some people may choose to wait for the PS3 rather than buy a 360 the same way the 360 punked sales of the XBox last year. I would expect the PS3 to lose ground but still be #1 worldwide, based on the 360 being nearly nonexistent in Japan and the Wii being 3rd in the west. It takes a community to abandon a child.
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i wonder how many people grousing about the price are doing it from a $3000 PC that runs WoW 12 hours a day? I'm posting from a laptop that cost me $90. It takes a community to abandon a child.
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I've never even picked up a 360 controller in a store. There's just nothing on there that I am terribly keen to try out. Same thing goes for the ps3. When Ueda releases something I'll get it, not a second before. The wii on the other hand, I'm very much wanting to try. I have a feeling dum might be right about nintendo being wrong. But I still want to try it, which is more than I can say for the competition. Haikus are easy
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That makes no difference at all. As long as there's a single log in and a single place to buy thing the user will never know the back end isn't unified. Even the old standby of cheat prevention isn't as important any more as most major publishers have improved greatly there (plus being able to patch out exploits unlike the ps2 online system). The log isn't what I'm worried about. Remember PC games? Remember how even now you the online play can be iffy? Lets multiple that by X for the number of console games and remember a lot of these console guys don't have the experience of writing their own online systems before. It ought to be interesting. I love me some me. | "Aren't I on record as loving trannies?" - McBain
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I'm posting from a laptop that cost me $90. then i shall call you... The Bargain Hunter |
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You must be even pickier than Hugin. It's called taste. Throwing your money at a PS3 is pure insanity at this point. Seriously, set the money on fire - at least you'll be entertained for 30 seconds. Jesus Christ, that is unbelievably retarded! - lwf
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I was talking about his PS2 comments. Buying a PS3 at launch is insanity. "About me, around me,
spinning me, galling me, doublenelsoning me until before it's begun and after it's done I'm overwhelmed by Them. Raped. Defied. Tried. Lynched. Staked. Despised. Everybody gets a turn." - Mark Z. Danielewski, Only Revolutions |
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Like you'll even be able to get one. I mean, it sounds like they won't even make their production target of 400,000 at launch. I think it's trying to do too many things, and I think it suffers from the same thinking that hurt the PSP. I don't think sony will tank or anything, but I think they've blown the #1 spot, at least outside of japan. They are so desperate for a standard, since they missed out on vhs and dvd, that they aren't thinking things through too well. "Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" — "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
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Running WOW for 12 hours a day is rather cheap compared to buying 3 games a month. ;p |^^^^^^^^^^^^ |||__
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#35 by Matt Perkins The log isn't what I'm worried about. Remember PC games? Remember how even now you the online play can be iffy? I fail to see how a unified verus nonunified system helps one bit with the major problems PC multiplayer has (some of which are also problems with Live). Lets multiple that by X for the number of console games and remember a lot of these console guys don't have the experience of writing their own online systems before. We won't be seeing online systems from every developer but systems ran by the publishers, most of which do have online systems now. Sure there is a significant number of publishers that aren't making multiplayer games but they've been rather lukewarm to the idea in general and I don't see that changeing much. When they do create the rare multiplayer game they'll simply sign deal to use someone elses network (likely sony's). |
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I was talking about his PS2 comments. Buying a PS3 at launch is insanity. Oh OK. Yeah, not getting a PS2 is crazy talk although, admittedly, there isn't much you can't also get on the Xbox. Jesus Christ, that is unbelievably retarded! - lwf
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This is what democracy looks like. |
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I assume by that you mean that democracy looks like a fucking moron in a suit. I want to buy some cheeeeese!
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You're going to fit right in. |
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He means rather than this topic undergoing the usual Submission Bin fermentation process, it was plucked like a hanging chad by Gabe and thrust upon us. Guest MP3 Of The Week: Benjamin Zephaniah - Superstar.mp3 (Thanks Hugin!)
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The online is supposed to be better than Live, but it sounds kind of pieced together in a weird way. For example Resistance has a buddy list, but you can only see other people that are playing Resistance. It doesn't seem like Live at all, just individual Live's for each game, with individual publishers deciding how it works and what kidn of connectivity you have. Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore. -LP Johnsen Family
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Yeah, not getting a PS2 is crazy talk although, admittedly, there isn't much you can't also get on the Xbox. Disgaea, SMT and RPG's in general disagree with you. There are volumes of RPGs that are only on the PS2. Funk. I am sofa king. We todd ed.
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#47 by jjohnsen The online is supposed to be better than Live, but it sounds kind of pieced together in a weird way. For example Resistance has a buddy list, but you can only see other people that are playing Resistance. Stop and think for a minute and it starts to sound kind of useful really. The main network friends list handles cross game messages while in game buddy lists only show what's related to that game. Consider it an intelligent clan filter that both lets you see every one you play any given game with but keeps people you only play one or two off the main list. |
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So it's basically one list per game? Fuck that noise. |
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Not one list per game. Just a different list based on which game your currently playing or if your looking at the main list. |
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I should clarify, I'm talking about the PS3 in general. I also think buying one (or any console) on launch day would be insanity. I waited a year for the 360, I waited a year for PS2. I suspect I'll get a PS3 sooner than that, but there's got to be that confluence of 1. Hardware availability 2. Library buildup 3. Bug fixing. |
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Also, some stupidly badass shit happened tonight on Battlestar Galactica. |
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You waited 9 months to get a 360. I'm just being pedantic. |
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Cheesy is SUCK! I watched Aliens, and I didn't even get a lousy t-shirt.
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Wii day is four weeks from Sunday. "About me, around me,
spinning me, galling me, doublenelsoning me until before it's begun and after it's done I'm overwhelmed by Them. Raped. Defied. Tried. Lynched. Staked. Despised. Everybody gets a turn." - Mark Z. Danielewski, Only Revolutions |
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Px- Here's what you need. World of Warcraft is a pie eating contest where the reward is more pie.
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I'm seriously considering dropping my Wii pre-order. Partly the money (I need it for something else), but mostly that I've never bought any hardware on release day and I think playing the waiting game is going to be better. Also I want to make sure that using the Wii-mote won't affect my RSI or make it worse (it seems to be dying down with physio). I may have to convince a family member or close friend to buy one first... I want to buy some cheeeeese!
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I'm turning more towards Hugin's point of view as I age. Buying consoles on day 1 is out for me. Bringing a Super Nintendo home and playing the included Mario game for 2 weeks straight was great back in the day but now ... meh. They don't even include games anymore. I need a decent library to rent before I'll buy a console or handheld or whatever now. Jesus Christ, that is unbelievably retarded! - lwf
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Also, some stupidly badass shit happened tonight on Battlestar Galactica. AGREED!!!! Funk. I am sofa king. We todd ed.
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The Wii is coming with the sports pack thing and that does look mighty nice and plenty fun... I just... I don't know, I was all excited about getting one when I started seeing the trailers, but now I'm just not. Maybe it's the curse of Nintendo. Most of their recent efforts (GC and DS) have ended up gathering dust somewhere... I want to buy some cheeeeese!
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Also, some stupidly badass shit happened tonight on Battlestar Galactica. Seeing that thing falling to the planet while everyone launches was the single coolest scene I've ever watched on BSG. Adama kicks ass. Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore. -LP Johnsen Family
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Uh, kinda spoilers. sorry. Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore. -LP Johnsen Family
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Whoops, I posted about BSG in the wrong thread. And yeah I sure am glad I saw the episode before coming here, may a pox fall upon you jj. What a terrific piece of entertainment goodness. The Emperor: What?... Oh, F*$K!... That wasn't even fully paid for yet!... Who's THEY?... What the hell's an Aluminum Falcon?
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Seeing that thing falling to the planet while everyone launches was the single coolest scene I've ever watched on BSG. Adama kicks ass. THAT WAS TOTALLY AWESOME!!!!!! "Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" — "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
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jjohnsen: fuck that, that thing falling on New Caprica was the single coolest thing I've seen in anything - film or TV show - in a loooong time. The whole episode was absolutely outstanding and more than makes up for any of the weak stuff in the last three episodes. |
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I rewatched that 5-10 minutes twice I liked it so much. Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore. -LP Johnsen Family
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I really liked the Pegasus "Oh, and fuck, you, over there? Fuck you too." moment right at the end. Ron Moore admits they were willing to cheat the tone of the show a bit to make that as emotionally satisfying as possible. |
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You know, when I talk about BSG to people who haven't seen it, I try to emphasize the quality of the drama, the character interaction, the questions about the nature of humanity, etc. And this episode was chock full of that stuff. Gaeta and Baltar and Starbuck and Tigh and... ...but at heart, I'm a geek. Adama jumped the entire fucking Battlestar into atmosphere. What? What? Who does that? I'm fairly certain that voids the hell out of the warranty. I'm fairly certain there's little red and yellow stickers on the underside of Galactica that say: "Warning, Do Not Plow Into Some Planet's Unsuspecting Stratosphere Like The World's Grimmest And Most Heavily Armored Fat Kid Jumping Into A Pool Full Of People He Hates Screaming Cannonball With A Grenade In His Teeth, Yeah, We're Talking To You Adama, 'Cause Jesus Christ." If I'm a Humlon, and I look out of the window of my compound and see this... psychotic act of badassery, in my heart I know we're just never going to subjugate or defeat these people. Well said Hugin, well said indeed. "But I don't exist in your world!" "Then you won't feel the bullets when we shoot you."
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