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Would you get cybernetic implants?
July 6th 2006, 00:37 CEST by OwenButler

Would you get cybernetic implants?

To what lengths would you augment yourself with readily available cybernetic implants?

Assume cybernetic implants were affordable, painless and invisible.

Would you get an eye implant that showed you the correct time for the time zone you are in, in a HUD?

Would you get an eye implant that showed a todo list of tasks in your vision which you could create/checkoff using your brain?

Would you get an implant that enhanced your vision or hearing?

Would you get an implant to correct a chemical imbalance in your brain?

Would you get an implant to override your muscle control to drive for you?

Reading Peter F Hamilton's Nights Dawn Trilogy got me to thinking: "How amazing would it be to have cybernetic implants?"

Assuming you could do anything, how far would you go with augmenting your body with computers/technology?  If you have a limit, what is it?  Furthermore, why is that the limit?
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#150 by Matt Perkins
2006-07-07 21:37:58
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
If you want some vindication on not having kids, talk to jafd. :0

Really, it's a choice. If you really want kids, you'll make it work. If you're just going along with your spouse or because of nature or whatever, it's going to be a good thing.

#151 by Jibble
2006-07-07 21:41:07
There is, of course, some sort of official movement now for those who choose not to breed.  I forget the name now but my wife was telling me about it.  Apparently it's an idea that's growing in popularity.

Probably this one.

Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.

Blog. 217 lbs.  37 to go.
#152 by Warren Marshall
2006-07-07 21:43:29
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Jibble

I don't think it was all looneyville like that place.  It was something more normal.

Jesus Christ, that is unbelievably retarded! - lwf
#153 by Shadarr
2006-07-07 21:47:51
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
There is, of course, some sort of official movement now for those who choose not to breed.

I can't imagine I'd want to join a social action group, but if it ends up that all my current friends start having kids in the next five years it probably would be good to have a way to connect with other childless people.

#154 by Artur
2006-07-07 21:51:44
Warren, how about this one.
#155 by CinqO
2006-07-07 21:58:55
I can't imagine I'd want to join a social action group, but if it ends up that all my current friends start having kids in the next five years it probably would be good to have a way to connect with other childless people.

What would you have in common with these people besides not breeding? It'd be like starting a club of people who don't watch TV.
#156 by Matt Perkins
2006-07-07 22:03:39
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Don't be raining on parades!

#157 by Shadarr
2006-07-07 22:04:05
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I'm sure there is such a club already.  And what we'd have in common is free time and disposable income.  But I wouldn't actually join, because I don't do that sort of thing.

#158 by Warren Marshall
2006-07-07 22:04:38
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Artur

I dunno, maybe.  From her description it was less about crazy, psycho, child hating and more about accepting peoples choices.

Jesus Christ, that is unbelievably retarded! - lwf
#159 by jjohnsen
2006-07-07 22:44:22
http://www.johnsenclan.com
My wife and I are 36 and we've had the talk a few times.  I think I'll be getting snipped within the next year.

I'm getting snipped next month.  When my wife and I got married we both wanted three kids.  The first pregnancy had a bunch of problems, and the second one wasnt much better.  Honestly, the first couple of years for me are 100% stress.  The kid can't communicate well, so you're always guessing.  Health problems are more difficult because they can't tell you what is wrong.  Crying is the main form of communication, and it's not easy even after you figure out the different cries.  If in a couple of years I said yes, my wife would want to have a third one for sure.  I love both my kids, but I'm such a stress case I think one more would kill me.  If we did decide to have a third at some time, we've pretty much agreed we'll adopt.  My wife is a little hesitant, her family has had a couple of problems with adopted kids, but I think she'd still agree to it.  That's a big if anyway, I can't imagine wanting another one.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP
#160 by McBain
2006-07-07 22:52:39
Ergo, you should do it.  You'd be a good dad.

Blacker than the last banana.
#161 by Jibble
2006-07-07 22:53:31
That Wikipedia article is probably the trolliest one I've read in a while. Thanks for that.

Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.

Blog. 217 lbs.  37 to go.
#162 by McBain
2006-07-07 22:55:30
I brought up the adoption issue but he's really reticent about that.

It's too bad so many people feel this way.  If we can get an infant, Jen and I are definitely going adopt a kid.  Hopefully one that is "off-the-boat-from-Africa-black".

Blacker than the last banana.
#163 by Mister Nutty
2006-07-07 22:56:06
RACIST!

YHBT. YHL. HAND
#164 by Funkdrunk
2006-07-07 23:03:27
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
Nutty

Call it what you want, but generally no-one adopts Black kids.  And when they do, it's more often the lighter ones.

One of my aunts nearly died in childbirth, and due to health concerns they told her that she shouldn't plan to have any more children.  She had miscarried previously, and they felt that if she tried again it would result in either another miscarriage or in her death.  It was a combination of luck and the skill of the doctors that pulled both her and the baby through.

Several years later they decided they wanted another kid.  Faced with my aunt's health concerns, they adopted a child.  They got the darkest child they could adopt, basically because they wanted to give a kid whom no-one else would want a home.  

Funk.

I am sofa king.  We todd ed.
#165 by Shadarr
2006-07-07 23:04:11
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
That Wikipedia article is probably the trolliest one I've read in a while.

Yeah, somehow I doubt that the whole childfree movement is full of whiny furries.  More likely it's because their sample group was a livejournal community.  Livejournal is full of whiny furries.

#166 by jjohnsen
2006-07-07 23:06:34
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Call it what you want, but generally no-one adopts Black kids.  And when they do, it's more often the lighter ones.

A couple in our neighborhood adopted the blackest kid I've ever seen.  I kind of feel bad because she'll never see another black kid as long as she lives here.  Hopefully kids her age are better than the ones I grew up with.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP
Johnsen
#167 by Penguinx
2006-07-07 23:07:58
It wasn't wikipedia.

Also, my dad was a product of foster homes and was never adopted. He never learned to read or write and was fucked from the start. Adoption is so much more morally responsible.

Feel that? I'm judging you all!

#168 by Ergo
2006-07-07 23:09:25
Caryn--

It's not really a contention between us; we've just waffled on the whole issue for years. I'm reluctant because if I have a kid next year, they're going to be my direct responsibility until I'm 58. Frankly, I'm just a little bit afraid of raising kids. While it's nice that some of you think I would make a good parent, I'm just not so sure. My patience wears out quickly with small children.

Ergo is right, as he always is except the times when his opinion is different than mine.--Mr. Nutty
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#169 by lwf
2006-07-07 23:09:36
That's ok, since you're wrong.

Today Officer Coon, Officer Nigger-hater, and Officer Keep-darky-down were acquitted of all racist charges.
#170 by Warren Marshall
2006-07-07 23:10:02
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Is that the burning sensation I'm feeling?

Jesus Christ, that is unbelievably retarded! - lwf
#171 by Penguinx
2006-07-07 23:11:41
Ergo, same thing here. I'm not good with kids. I have no idea what to do with them and they annoy the ever loving piss out of me.

#172 by Caryn
2006-07-07 23:12:23
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
It isn't that my husband's cold or indifferent to adoptable children -- I don't want to give the wrong impression in case I did. He has a huge heart, and twice on the spot he's offered to adopt or take in the children of relatives (my brother's three daughters when my brother died, and his nephew's daughter when the state took her away).

I think the prospect of adoption scares him because he knows that the kids who need adopting most are the ones with the biggest problems, the ones who are too old to go to a home, and those are the kids he would feel like he was abandoning if we restricted our criteria in adopting. (I've told him that you are just as likely to raise a kid with problems just like these if you have a child.) He knows that the idea of adoption is something I'd like to consider, and I don't think he's completely against it. I think he just needs time to consider it more.

I'd adopt a child of any ethnicity if we adopted. I have wondered -- and this is going to sound weird, maybe -- if we adopted a black child if they'd be picked on more for being the only black child and being of white parents living where we live. It's a town of 1000 people, all white, in the farmlands of Wisconsin. Of course, providing a child a home overrides that, but it's just something I wonder.

Current novel word count: 18,400 words (I'm hoping by putting it here it helps motivate me)
#173 by McBain
2006-07-07 23:12:52
My patience wears out quickly with small children.

My patience wears thin about everything.  You don't have to be a saint, you just have to be a dad.

Blacker than the last banana.
#174 by lwf
2006-07-07 23:14:29
At least McBain's won't be always disconnecting from IRC and shit, fuck that's annoying.

Today Officer Coon, Officer Nigger-hater, and Officer Keep-darky-down were acquitted of all racist charges.
#175 by lwf
2006-07-07 23:15:41
We males are pretty well programmed against caring for the fruit of some other yob's loins. Most adopted kids are lucky they don't get eaten.

Today Officer Coon, Officer Nigger-hater, and Officer Keep-darky-down were acquitted of all racist charges.
#176 by Mister Nutty
2006-07-07 23:18:05
I'm great with other people's kids, but the thought of being responsible for my own is nightmare inducing.

YHBT. YHL. HAND
#177 by Penguinx
2006-07-07 23:19:02
At least McBain's won't be always disconnecting from IRC and shit, fuck that's annoying.


Heh, I have no patience for lack of respones in IRC.

#178 by Dumdeedum
2006-07-07 23:19:56
http://www.dumdeedum.com
While it's nice that some of you think I would make a good parent, I'm just not so sure.

But I must have read hundreds of your posts online, so who better to judge your fitness for parenthood!

I'd adopt a child of any ethnicity if we adopted. I have wondered -- and this is going to sound weird, maybe -- if we adopted a black child if they'd be picked on more for being the only black child and being of white parents living where we live.

Paint it white.

#179 by lwf
2006-07-07 23:20:31
That's probably why you don't really get the joke. Though your drive-bys are also kind of annoying.

Today Officer Coon, Officer Nigger-hater, and Officer Keep-darky-down were acquitted of all racist charges.
#180 by lwf
2006-07-07 23:21:30
If Ergo can be trusted with The List I'm pretty sure he'd make an excellent father, mayor, or bishop.

Today Officer Coon, Officer Nigger-hater, and Officer Keep-darky-down were acquitted of all racist charges.
#181 by yotsuya
2006-07-07 23:34:15
We males are pretty well programmed against caring for the fruit of some other yob's loins.

WRONG!

"It's only make-believe until it becomes flim-flam."
#182 by Mister Nutty
2006-07-07 23:58:03
He's talking about heterosexual males, yot.

YHBT. YHL. HAND
#183 by Shadarr
2006-07-07 23:58:47
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I'm sure I'd make a fine father.  My decision not to is 100% selfish.  I have better ways to spend my life.

#184 by Warren Marshall
2006-07-08 00:00:50
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
It's not selfish at all.  The world has enough people on it.

Jesus Christ, that is unbelievably retarded! - lwf
#185 by Penguinx
2006-07-08 00:03:54
That's my opinion on the matter, Warren.

#186 by Shadarr
2006-07-08 00:09:15
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
The outcome may not be selfish, but my reasoning is.

#187 by yotsuya
2006-07-08 00:09:42
We know you're a fundamentalist he-man human hater, Px.

"It's only make-believe until it becomes flim-flam."
#188 by Mister Nutty
2006-07-08 00:11:41
I'm with Shadarr -- my primary reason for not having kids and maybe never having them is I'm too selfish with my time.  I don't want to shift into a life where my primary goal is someone else's well-being and not my own amusement.

YHBT. YHL. HAND
#189 by jjohnsen
2006-07-08 00:17:31
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Frankly, I'm just a little bit afraid of raising kids. While it's nice that some of you think I would make a good parent, I'm just not so sure. My patience wears out quickly with small children.

How's your wife with small children?  What's great about raising kids with a partner is you don't have to be around them all the time.  We have a pretty good understanding when the other is hitting  aboiling point so we can swoop in and give each other breaks.  And at least for me it becomes alot easier once the kid is 18 month-2 years old.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP       Johnsen
#190 by jjohnsen
2006-07-08 00:22:20
http://www.johnsenclan.com
I'm with Shadarr -- my primary reason for not having kids and maybe never having them is I'm too selfish with my time.  I don't want to shift into a life where my primary goal is someone else's well-being and not my own amusement.

I think it's great that you've made this decision, it makes me think you aren't selfish at all.  It would be much worse if you had the kids and then decided you didn't want to devote any time to them.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP       Johnsen
#191 by Anonymous
2006-07-08 00:24:01
Ergo, the gene-pool needs you!

#192 by Shadarr
2006-07-08 00:27:23
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I think it's still selfish, or at least openly self-centered.  If I had kids, then I'd have to make sacrifices to raise them well because otherwise I'd be a total dick.  But I wouldn't choose to have kids, because I don't see any benefit to having them.  They're like a high-maintenance girlfriend who doesn't cook, clean or put out.

#193 by Penguinx
2006-07-08 00:39:30
We know you're a fundamentalist he-man human hater, Px.


Yeah. Did I oversell it?

#194 by Neale
2006-07-08 00:44:18
neale@pimurho.co.uk www.pimurho.co.uk
They're like a high-maintenance girlfriend who doesn't cook, clean or put out.


That depends how well you train them.

#195 by CinqO
2006-07-08 00:51:20
That depends how well you train them.

HAHAHAHAHAH. How many kids do you have?
#196 by jjohnsen
2006-07-08 00:55:48
http://www.johnsenclan.com
I plan on having my daghter mowing the lawn by the time she's ten, just like my dad did.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP       Johnsen
#197 by Dumdeedum
2006-07-08 01:02:31
http://www.dumdeedum.com
I think it's still selfish, or at least openly self-centered.  If I had kids, then I'd have to make sacrifices to raise them well because otherwise I'd be a total dick.  But I wouldn't choose to have kids, because I don't see any benefit to having them.  They're like a high-maintenance girlfriend who doesn't cook, clean or put out.

Didn't you see that episode of Friends where Joey proves to Phoebe that there are no selfless acts?  That aside, "not having kids is selfish" is only valid if you believe having kids is a duty or the hallmark of Good People.  I figure it's just another one of life's choices, if you want kids then have 'em, if not then don't.

And personally I don't, can't stand the little buggers and prefer to shirk any and all responsibility life may throw at me.  If that fails then I can claim medical reasons, however flimsy they may be.

#198 by Shadarr
2006-07-08 01:15:10
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I claim medical reasons too.  I'm sterile.

#199 by Penguinx
2006-07-08 01:21:50
Yeah. I still get a tear in my eye when I recall the day.

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