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WoW: First look from a newb's perspective.
January 5th 2005, 08:08 CET by Mank

Let me preface this by stating; that despite being pretty much jaded beyond belief in the world of first person shooters, I've never wandered very deep into mmorpg territory outside of the late stage AC2 beta that I took part in over a year ago. World of Warcraft is my first full fledged attempt at giving this genre a long and, most certainly overdue look. Yes, I'm a complete mmorpg newb, so keep that in mind if you choose to read further.

First off, let me say that learning all of the key binds, chat/cvar shortcuts and whatnot is a tediously painful experience for an unwashed soul such as myself. I've spent more time reading the manual and online tips/hints forums than I have ever done for any game previous to this. The great thing is, I'm finding that the rewards far exceed the effort in terms of how much time I'm investing educating myself about the game. As the ESRB warning plainly states on the box, my gameplay experience is definately changing in this online environment.

Blizzard has done a superb job of tying things together among the various races, and the immersion level is made all the more real with the absolutely stunning environments that I've come across in my travels. The approaches to the gates of Stormwind City and Ironforge is but a couple of times that my jaw has literally dropped wide open after seeing how much attention to detail has been put into the art assets of this game. Yeah, customizing the looks of your character is lacking somewhat, but when I'm looking at the back of his head the majority of the time this just isnt an issue with me.

Character development -is- painstaking in the early stages, but anyone without a D&D or Warcraft background will still be able to pick and choose what skills and class specific buffs they want their player to hold. This was made even easier once I realized how the quests and the travel between various regions allowed for finding the proper trainers as I progressed upward in levels. The trick I've found is to travel as much as possible, meet as many quest giving NPC's as you can find, and then systematically pick and choose those quests that all tie into one specific area so you can be as efficient as you possibly can without having to backtrack from one place to another in getting/meeting the items/people needed to fulfill your quests. I've managed to get my main character, a Paladin, to level 16 in about 2 weeks of 3-4 hour a night sessions. Sound too easy? Maybe someone with more experience in mmorpgs can chime in and say.

Aside from sporadic server outages for server side upgrades, I've found no real gripe where server uptime is concerned. The patching process uses a form of torrent, and can take a while depending on how early you try to obtain the patch, but I got a recent 32 meg patch in under 15 minutes. YMMV.

I have to give kudos to the blizzard team for not breaking, or otherwise introducing new issues during the patching process. The amount of bugs that have been fixed, and the new additions to the game is quite spectacular in terms of what has been covered in the readme's associated with the latest patches. The only bug that currently sticks out and causes me any real grief is a glitch in the looting process. I partied up with a level 19 Paladin last night(he invited, I joined), and whenever I initiated the aggro on combat, all my Paladin friend would find on the corpses was copper loot if he searched the corpse first. If I searched the body first, then other objects would appear and only then could he see them. *shrug*.

Another thing I have to mention is the number of helpful players that are on the servers. The idiots who refuse to RTFM, and the uptight arrogant assholes are there, but the sheer number of knowledgeable and outright friendly players who openly give away needed items and information to the lower level players is astounding. I decided to return the favors when and if I'm able, and a few nights ago I spied a lower level Paladin who was repeatedly getting his ass handed to him whenever he would draw the aggro of a certain humanoid. After inspecting his character I found his armor was sorely lacking, so I gave him a much higher rated chainmail chest armor and boots that I wasnt using from my inventory. He thanked me, and went about his merry way. The next night this guy sent me a thank you note with 2 silver pieces thru the games mail system. Total Coolness.

I admit I havent tried PvP yet, and probably havent experienced some of the drawbacks that might exist in the game, but so far WoW has exceeded every expectation that I've had based on reviews and what other friends have had to say. The other problems that people expressed concerns over in the earlier WoW topic just arent issues with me. Maybe they were issues with the beta? *shrug*

I may be in the honeymoon period still, but so far this game is a damn fun time to be had. Feel free to crash my honeymoon tho, if you've bought and played the game and feel that it sucks, let the reasons be known. There's an awful lot of players on the servers for it to suck as bad as some here have said.
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#1125 by Chunkstyle
2005-01-11 22:18:47
You've already tried the iPod, that smoothly transitions into trying the Mac Mini, and before you know it you're married to a man.  Apple's master plan to make everything stylish wins.

Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
#1126 by Phayyde
2005-01-11 22:22:44
</slater>

They're wrong about gravity...  Oh yeah.  Believe it.  See, these probes?  Well they're flying all over the place and they're not where they're supposed to be, right?  Dark matter.  Scientists say you can smoke it?  And you just load up the bhang, chong one down and prepare to fuh-reak.
</slater>

Beat to fit, paint to match.
#1127 by Phayyde
2005-01-11 22:23:37
How unfortunate.

Beat to fit, paint to match.
#1128 by BobJustBob
2005-01-11 22:24:20
Slater? From Saved by the Bell?

Dood.
#1129 by UncleJeet
2005-01-11 22:24:51
I just don't see how rounded corners and translucent plastic = stylish or elegant or whatever term they use to describe them.

Boogers.
#1130 by Chunkstyle
2005-01-11 22:25:18
You wouldn't have broken PlanetCrap if you used a Mac Mini.

Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
#1131 by Leslie Nassar
2005-01-11 22:26:53
http://departmentofinternets.com
but jeet, imagine if it had black round ears and comically oversized red pants!

You've already tried the iPod, that smoothly transitions into trying the Mac Mini, and before you know it you're married to a man.  Apple's master plan to make everything stylish wins. -- ChunkStyle
#1132 by Phayyde
2005-01-11 22:26:58
Slater from Dazed & Confuzed.  In retrospect, the misformatting adds a touch of realism.  Slater would've done that.

Beat to fit, paint to match.
#1133 by UncleJeet
2005-01-11 22:27:27
THAT would be awesome.  But for now, I'll just have to take your kneecaps for that.  Sorry.

Boogers.
#1134 by Phayyde
2005-01-11 22:28:29
I'm susceptible to the minimac.

Beat to fit, paint to match.
#1135 by Shadarr
2005-01-11 22:29:43
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
As someone who always chooses function over form, I have no interest in anything Apple makes.

"Come to Planetcrap -- there are worse sites out there." - BobJustBob
#1136 by ProStyle
2005-01-11 22:30:49
http://prostyle.deviantart.com
I'd doubt most Crappers are in the target demographic for the Mac Mini. I think it's a smart move, but it all boils down to how many units get punted out there.

Fabricated like the word absurditive
#1137 by Phayyde
2005-01-11 22:30:49
Are you testifying your faith or is this experience talking?

Beat to fit, paint to match.
#1138 by Leslie Nassar
2005-01-11 22:36:45
http://departmentofinternets.com
i think crappers who are linux geeks are a viable demographic; look how popular aqua themes are, minimac is bsd (and a linux distro if they can't live without penguins), minimac needs a kvm and they just happen to have one...

You've already tried the iPod, that smoothly transitions into trying the Mac Mini, and before you know it you're married to a man.  Apple's master plan to make everything stylish wins. -- ChunkStyle
#1139 by Leslie Nassar
2005-01-11 22:37:27
http://departmentofinternets.com
"a linux distro is available".  i posted that from a pc.

You've already tried the iPod, that smoothly transitions into trying the Mac Mini, and before you know it you're married to a man.  Apple's master plan to make everything stylish wins. -- ChunkStyle
#1140 by Ryslin
2005-01-11 22:44:30
(waves piece of paper)
So what would be a supersized macmini?


I am a potential target for this device. It might survive my son. Tiny enough that we could tape it to the table or maybe the ceiling. Get a long cable for the view,keyboard,mouse.
This is sounding better.

and you also can STFU!
#1141 by Leslie Nassar
2005-01-11 22:46:00
http://departmentofinternets.com
you can get it with bluetooth, ryslin; wireless keyboard and mouse!

You've already tried the iPod, that smoothly transitions into trying the Mac Mini, and before you know it you're married to a man.  Apple's master plan to make everything stylish wins. -- ChunkStyle
#1142 by Ryslin
2005-01-11 22:47:32
(waves piece of paper)
Hmm, That is an idea, the cost of replacing those wireless things often. Raising a kid sucks at times.

and you also can STFU!
#1143 by Matt Perkins
2005-01-11 22:49:24
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Hmm, That is an idea, the cost of replacing those wireless things often. Raising a kid sucks at times.

Ok, color my curious.  What does your kid do that destroys your computer hardware that they are still breathing?

"Before they Americanized his family, the last name was Perkinzalez." - Yotsuya
#1144 by G-Man
2005-01-11 22:51:51
"Science" (whatever the hell all you loons mean by it) doesn't need anyone to defend it, anymore than capitalism or natural selection needs anyone's help. They will all go on with or without your approval or understanding.

That said, I am surprised that nobody linked this article yet (had to link the forum since the article was in the archive already). But I guess not many of you read newspapers anymore?

In other news, is it just me or is Matt's new IP address really weird looking.

#1030 BobJustBob
I'll see if I can find the handy thread where Crypt links to some of Koontz's best statements.

Here's a taste: Koontz claimed that someone can only be raped if there is the possibility of impregnation, otherwise it is "merely" sexual assault.

I'm not 100% sure, but that might have the legal standard of old in some states. My Crim Law memories are fading.

#1085 LPMiller
I have no idea if we have an email list or not. I don't handle the deal side of things at all.

What the fuck do you do anyway? I get the idea that you used to do hardware reviews or something, but I don't see any on your site. Is it even your site or are you just employed by them or what?
#1145 by eggbert
2005-01-11 22:53:00
http://www.stuffresearch.com
So what would be a supersized macmini?


What else? A Big Mac.
#1146 by mgns
2005-01-11 22:53:43
capitalism


Drunk much? Capitalism is an economic model that we have fashioned for ourselves. If we wanted it to, it could be replaced by something else.

I know it hurts, my heart, but better dead than dying
#1147 by Shadarr
2005-01-11 22:54:27
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
It has been replaced by something else.

"Come to Planetcrap -- there are worse sites out there." - BobJustBob
#1148 by Ryslin
2005-01-11 22:56:42
(waves piece of paper)
That's the whole, damnit you love them bit.

He has broken 2 heat sink fans,countless cds, 2 mice that I know of, and managed to make a mac unable to boot(os 10 at that, we think he threw the main system files in the trash). I have it on authority that my guy reinstalled my system twice without me knowing, due to deletion of files.
Passwords stop him for now, mostly. The child watches what you type, and pretends he cannot read.
Then there is the normal kid things, spilling water everywhere so that it gets on the keyboard(fried), kicking the desk and yanking the keyboard cord out(really considering wireless here), shutting the computer off because we where not doing anything(we had some personal time together).
I have a unique situation, all my computers,tv and radio are all in the living room. Small apartment.
This causes more interaction between child and possible destructive targets. I did tell you that we had to contact the cable company because he had reprogramed the cable box to think we where spanish.

Very intelligent, normally very nice, very curious, insane kid.

and you also can STFU!
#1149 by G-Man
2005-01-11 22:56:57
#1146 mgns
Drunk much? Capitalism is an economic model that we have fashioned for ourselves. If we wanted it to, it could be replaced by something else.

Yeah buddy. Go ahead and try to replace a market economy. I'll be over in the corner buying black market goods.
#1150 by deadlock
2005-01-11 23:00:41
http://www.deadlocked.org/
Capitalism is a system that we have put together for ourselves though, it is not the natural order of things or anything like it. You could argue that it works (kinda) because it takes into account human nature, but it is a human creation and not something that is set in stone the way that natural selection or whatever is.

I work for the company but don't let that fool you - I'm actually an OK guy.
#1151 by Matt Perkins
2005-01-11 23:03:12
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
#1148

I would hurt my children.  A lot.  You can't break my computer stuff.  Even my 21 month old knows that.  Gotta have priorities.

"Before they Americanized his family, the last name was Perkinzalez." - Yotsuya
#1152 by Phayyde
2005-01-11 23:08:38
G-man.  Science requires active participation by humans practicing its methods.

Beat to fit, paint to match.
#1153 by bago
2005-01-11 23:09:24
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
Looks like I was conflating time dilation and physics models. Oops.

Cruel, unusual, and sublime punishment
#1154 by Hugin
2005-01-11 23:12:01
lmccain@nber.org
Ryslin...I guess there's no way to ask this without it coming off as a judgement or an attackm so feel free to tell me to fuck off, but does your child's behavior strike you as more "quirky" or "childish hijinks" or more towards the "completely out of control" end of the spectrum?  Because I realize you're his mom and you love him and all, but pretty much every anecdote you relate here about him makes it sound like he's in the middle of setting the house on fire.  Has he been clinically diagnosed for anything or...how old is he anyway?  You've mentioned a few times he's not in school, is he too young for school or being held out of school or?
#1155 by Phayyde
2005-01-11 23:12:13
Small children and technology protection:
I bought an antec case with a door and a lock.  I used a baby fence to fence off the cable ratnest.  I requisitioned a few shelves of the hallway closet for networking gear.  My kids couldn't find the sensitive equipment, much less damage it.

Beat to fit, paint to match.
#1156 by LPMiller
2005-01-11 23:15:16
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
What the fuck do you do anyway? I get the idea that you used to do hardware reviews or something, but I don't see any on your site. Is it even your site or are you just employed by them or what?


You ain't looking all that well, then.

I do the news/blogging, and I manage the reviews. I haven't written one in awhile because I needed a break from them, but plan on starting up again soon. I work for the site, and get paid money to do so. I also get a shitload of free hardware. Happy?

When LP says he's bringing Armageddon, he brings fucking Armageddon. - Caryn, 6/01/2004
#1157 by UncleJeet
2005-01-11 23:18:46
All of the sudden I have the strangest need to redline my pc and get the most out of my wallet!

Boogers.
#1158 by Phayyde
2005-01-11 23:20:39
Can I have the most out of your wallet?

Beat to fit, paint to match.
#1159 by Shadarr
2005-01-11 23:22:18
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Science requires active participation by humans practicing its methods.

I choose to "participate in science" by believing in gravity and living my life accordingly.  I challenge you do stop believing in gravity and let us know how it works out for you.

"Come to Planetcrap -- there are worse sites out there." - BobJustBob
#1160 by Phayyde
2005-01-11 23:27:41
It made me feel floaty.  It felt good.  Did I actually float?  Science will only tell you that you cannot say for certain.

Beat to fit, paint to match.
#1161 by Phayyde
2005-01-11 23:28:35
Because you're, y'know, over there where you can't see me.  Floating.

Beat to fit, paint to match.
#1162 by Shadarr
2005-01-11 23:31:15
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Okay then, we'll have to get together sometime and demonstrate how gravity does and doesn't work for each of us, respectively.

"Come to Planetcrap -- there are worse sites out there." - BobJustBob
#1163 by Charles
2005-01-11 23:34:56
www.bluh.org
I would like gravity to suddenly increase one thousand times for people like Phayyde.

Do-Re-Mi-Fa-SO-LONG-FUCKER!
#1164 by LPMiller
2005-01-11 23:35:12
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
gravity is for sissies.

When LP says he's bringing Armageddon, he brings fucking Armageddon. - Caryn, 6/01/2004
#1165 by deadlock
2005-01-11 23:36:55
http://www.deadlocked.org/
Ah, science vs. religion (the two being mutually exclusive, obviously). Where would Planetcrap be without it?*


*"Better off" is not an acceptable answer.

I work for the company but don't let that fool you - I'm actually an OK guy.
#1166 by bago
2005-01-11 23:40:59
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
That's some heavy shit.

Cruel, unusual, and sublime punishment
#1167 by Phayyde
2005-01-11 23:55:04
No looking, Shadarr, looky-loo.

Shroedinger's subtle paradox demands that we maintain a lack of visual contact and that I continue to lie about whether or not I'm actually floating.  You see how the bitch science makes me lie.  If you look, it will force the frame of reference to collapse boringly to just one state.

Beat to fit, paint to match.
#1168 by Phayyde
2005-01-11 23:59:35
#1163 by Charles  noclip

Beat to fit, paint to match.
#1169 by Charles
2005-01-12 00:03:58
www.bluh.org
killactor class=Phayyde

Do-Re-Mi-Fa-SO-LONG-FUCKER!
#1170 by Shadarr
2005-01-12 00:07:58
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Shroedinger's subtle paradox demands...

It always comes back to quantum physics with you lot, doesn't it?  Because it's just complex enough to seem magical to people who don't understand it.  Nobody every tries to prop up their counter-intuitive metaphysics with Dalton's Law of Partial Pressure or even general relativity.  It's all Heisenberg this and Heisenberg that.  Well guess what?  Heisenberg doesn't care whether you lie or not, and Shroedinger was only talking about cats, who are much more magical than you'll ever be.

"Come to Planetcrap -- there are worse sites out there." - BobJustBob
#1171 by Ergo
2005-01-12 00:11:31
For god's sake, please stop feeding him. His responses make my head hurt.

Mac OSX--UNIX For Girls (tm)
DVDs
#1172 by mgns
2005-01-12 00:15:22
Haggle gaggle, armchair physicists?

I know it hurts, my heart, but better dead than dying
#1173 by Shadarr
2005-01-12 00:17:08
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Meh, what else is there to do?  I suppose we could rate the various babes-of-the-moment again.

"Come to Planetcrap -- there are worse sites out there." - BobJustBob
#1174 by LPMiller
2005-01-12 00:18:52
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
If only Scott Miller were here, he'd straighten out this science shit.

When LP says he's bringing Armageddon, he brings fucking Armageddon. - Caryn, 6/01/2004
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