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Kerry wins election in a landslide.
November 1st 2004, 06:56 CET by Your Friend John Kerry is going to win the election on November 2nd. But the big surprise is that he is going to win it in a landslide. A huge increase in voter turnout among the young and minorities is going to cause John Kerry to win some states that are generally very Red (such as Nevada or Arizona... he might even win in Arkansas now that Clinton is doing his Clinton-dance for Kerry). gg, Bush. Now the family name will forever be linked with the phrase "one-term". |
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Yeah, I know, I'm stupid. Einstein's is Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Do-Re-Mi-Fa-SO-LONG-FUCKER!
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Which is a better quote anyway, so FUFUFUFUFUUFUF Do-Re-Mi-Fa-SO-LONG-FUCKER!
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I never, ever get to do this, so let me relish a minute..... no, No, NO!
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JEET WIN! no, No, NO!
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But you know, you *did* get the quote wrong in any case. Fucker. Do-Re-Mi-Fa-SO-LONG-FUCKER!
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Hijack! Episode 6 of Lost was pretty good, but it seems to be leaning more towards a soap opera or quasi-reality show now. Nothing new about the island or the monster or whatever it is. Are they stalling time to fill up the season or something? I've had a few dreams where Danny Glover has made a cameo appearance -always in the oddest capacities. Like, for instance, the other night Elvis Costello, Danny Glover, and my best friend from childhood were holding a jam session on an apartment building fire escape. Odd.
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I said let me relish, dammit! I hate you forever now. Also - Dammit, my new icon is indecipherable at the small resolution! no, No, NO!
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#103 Gunp01nt Are they stalling time to fill up the season or something? Yes. |
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They should've put their filler episodes up front to keep expectations low. Like UAC. UAC! Fuck yeah!
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Yeah, I felt like that too Gunp01nt. I mean, hearing about the backstories of all these people is diverting I suppose, but I'm most interested in their progress on the island - an area in which very little seems to happen per episode. One thing that has been increasingly irritating me is that the character interaction seems to have been condensed and simplified until it makes little sense. It's difficult to describe but... you know that scene with Sayid, Jack and Kate sitting round discussing whether to move inland? - It just doesn't make sense. Jack's like, "Maybe we should move inland," and Sayid loses his temper and walks off. His reaction is the result of a much larger conversation that they didn't have. This happens a lot. It just strikes me that they cut down the dialogue heavily to make space, and the character dynamics have suffered as a result. |
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Lost: I did like the backstory of the Korean couple, though, and it looks as though there may be some spooky coming up. "Son of a BITCH! The casino security just arrested Px. Oh well." - Yot
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The overarching story of Lost is moving too slow. Damn, if you don't have the balls to say who you are voting for, why not just say that(Tycho's last paragraph)? i ain't got no love for the east cost
but i do love eatin butter with my toast -DKI(ID |
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It just doesn't make sense. Jack's like, "Maybe we should move inland," and Sayid loses his temper and walks off. His reaction is the result of a much larger conversation that they didn't have. Exactly! Before that, Sayid looked upon Jack as their leader as much as the rest, and now he just throws a hissy fit for no apparent reason. Same with Kate saying: "You still have to convince me", I though she was gonna say that she didn't want to move inland because that's where the monsters were, but she didn't say anything and just left Jack guessing. Sounds more like something that would happen on As The World Turns. There's also a lot of crazy theories regarding the island and the people popping up everywhere on the internet. Haven't people learned from when this happened with The Matrix? I've had a few dreams where Danny Glover has made a cameo appearance -always in the oddest capacities. Like, for instance, the other night Elvis Costello, Danny Glover, and my best friend from childhood were holding a jam session on an apartment building fire escape. Odd.
-PenguinX |
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We'll see where it goes, I guess. It's interesting that we haven't seen nor heard from the monster in the last few episodes. |
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All that said, I see stronger and stronger campaigns to recruit volunteers before I see a draft, along with extended tours for reservists and such. Extended tours are already the norm (here in San Diego, a stone's throw from various Navy and Marine bases, you can't discuss politics or the military without someone mentioning how a friend or family member got unexpectedly pulled back on active duty a couple of weeks after their original tour was over). And they've already lowered the standards for entry to try to increase recruitment. As I've mentioned previously, I *fully* expect there to be a draft if Bush is reelected. Everyone says they don't want one, and I even believe they mean it (all volunteer is clearly better), but when you look at it realistically, there pretty much HAS to be either a draft, or a complete reversal in policy. And if Bush has shown anything, it is that he's unwilling to pull back and change course when it looks like a mistake has been made. Changing your mind? Well, gee, that's flip-flopping! Better to keep charging ahead! Keep digging that hole! |
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Buth Sayyid and Kate both said they weren't ready to give up hope of rescue, and moving inland represented that for them. I thought their reactions made perfect character sense, and I preferred this handling to a long expository conversation as if the stuff we see on screen is th eonly time these people talk, which is a narrative flaw I hate. That being said, I like soap opera, so I like the backstory heavy stuff. But I agree the actual Island plot is going pretty slowly. |
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Good lord. *Hugin fires his typing fingers into the Sun* |
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Gunp01nt and the people popping up everywhere on the internet. What do you mean? Px - I too liked the Korean backstory, but I didn't feel the whole watch thing was given enough time. It made no sense even when we were told the reason for the attack on Michael - maybe there would have been an argument first that came to blows, but the instant homicidal violence (even for a character who we know to have a violent temper) seemed to be an attempt to inject drama and action into a scene where it was not really warranted. Eh. Besides this, I'll continue to watch it because it is still better than 90% of the stuff out there. It's just a pity it didn't live up to the fast pace and premise of the first few episodes. |
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One thing that has been increasingly irritating me is that the character interaction seems to have been condensed and simplified until it makes little sense. This really pissed me off when Kate thought Jack was staring at her butt. When she found out he wasn't, suddenly she was pissed off, and this seemed to partly be the reason she stayed on the beach. It was as if they'd filmed a huge fight between the two, but then forgot to show it. i ain't got no love for the east cost
but i do love eatin butter with my toast -DKI(ID |
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Wow, I'm really reading these interactions differently than y'all. |
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Yeah, I didn't see it that way all. I didn't feel they more conversation or show as missing, just that I wanted more island story. "She told me to tell you to quit being such an anal-retentive pussy."- Ergo
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I can't imagine anyone saying "This show places too much emphasis on the characters!" I blame all of you for reality TV. Dood.
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#117 Hugin Wow, I'm really reading these interactions differently than y'all. Agree. |
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Marsh: What do you mean? You know, people guessing at the back story of the people, why they're on the island. There's that one theory that the island is a test (which is just a rehash of the theory that the Matrix was a test) and that all the survivors had been put there for a reason. Calling them 'theories' is too much honor, though. I've had a few dreams where Danny Glover has made a cameo appearance -always in the oddest capacities. Like, for instance, the other night Elvis Costello, Danny Glover, and my best friend from childhood were holding a jam session on an apartment building fire escape. Odd.
-PenguinX |
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Well, there's also the idea that it's purgatory, which seems likely at this point. |
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The island as test trope comes from old Star Trek episodes (which themselves come from Golden Age sci-fi short stories), or alternatively from The Cube. |
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The purgatory angle seems *too* likely. If that is the big "twisty thing", the potential for it to be the answer was obvious back at the third episode or so. |
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Hugin Both Sayid and Kate both said they weren't ready to give up hope of rescue, and moving inland represented that for them. They've stated their positions but at no point has anyone had any kind of sensible argument about it. Nobody is going to flip-out at its first mention. People might say, "Ohh, I'm not so sure, because of this, this and this," and then maybe the argument would get more passionate. But we saw none of this. Maybe they have discussed this in depth off-screen, as you say, but, unlike you, I feel that's a weak excuse for poor plot exposition. As it happens in this case, the screenwriters can now break the group up in two, which is clearly a Plot Device of some importance, without really having to deal with the nitty gritty of why or how. This divide was fore-shadowed by a series of Jack vs Sayid non sequiturs. Burning the bodies for example - yes the opposing arguments were stated, but there was never any real interaction between them. Similarly with Sayid and Kate's attempts to locate the power source, unbeknownst to Jack. But it made no sense that Jack would object to this. It made no real sense that the group shouldn't be informed about the people who were here before, really, and again, this was discussed without any discussion. Sayid simply said, "Hope is a very dangerous thing to lose," or some similar truism, and everyone agreed. Like that. Bang. No discussion, no exposition, just a leap from accepted fact one to accepted fact two. In a way, Lost is very folkloric in its recoiling from narrative logic, but I think it's more a case of the writers either copping out or over-editing. |
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Well, there's also the idea that it's purgatory, which seems likely at this point. There were all sorts of ideas about The Matrix too, and boy, did they come true. Also, it made The Matrix all the more disappointing that there really wasn't an intricate backstory. I've had a few dreams where Danny Glover has made a cameo appearance -always in the oddest capacities. Like, for instance, the other night Elvis Costello, Danny Glover, and my best friend from childhood were holding a jam session on an apartment building fire escape. Odd.
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I felt that the reason for the first group staying behind were represented well enough. I didn't want to be hit over the head with OMG THYE DON WUNNA MISS A RESQ! :: SPOLAR! :: The Korean dude attacking Michael seemed within the characters range of possibility. In the flashback that shows the Korean covered in blood you get the idea that he could possibly be a hit-man for his father in law. Him attacking someone over his family's honor the way he did seems plausible to me. "Son of a BITCH! The casino security just arrested Px. Oh well." - Yot
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Thanks for hijacking what was an interesting thread and turning it into "crap". |
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It is my thread, and I enjoy watching "Lost". Also, I suspect it will probably go largely back on-topic tomorrow, when I'm proved either right or stupid. |
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You'll probably be proved both. I've had a few dreams where Danny Glover has made a cameo appearance -always in the oddest capacities. Like, for instance, the other night Elvis Costello, Danny Glover, and my best friend from childhood were holding a jam session on an apartment building fire escape. Odd.
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#128 King Meat Thanks for hijacking what was an interesting thread and turning it into "crap". Your welcome. "Son of a BITCH! The casino security just arrested Px. Oh well." - Yot
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The Korean dude attacking Michael seemed within the characters range of possibility. In the flashback that shows the Korean covered in blood you get the idea that he could possibly be a hit-man for his father in law. Him attacking someone over his family's honor the way he did seems plausible to me. Not to labour the point, because I appreciate that other people may not have the same interpretation as me, but... Wouldn't he try and take the watch off him? Wouldn't he shout and rave at him first? It just seemed like the attack was constructed to be as inexplicable as possible so it could be revealed later on. |
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You are welcome |
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I'm really surprised at the number of 'crappers that have picked up on Lost. Seems like most of the time someone says "I'm currently enjoying watching Show X." Then the response comes back: "You're an idiot. That show sucks." or "That's not even worth downloading!" or "I don't even watch TV, and shows like that are why." |
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I must say Lost is the first show in a long time for which I can find the dedication to watch (=fire up bittorrent) every week. I've had a few dreams where Danny Glover has made a cameo appearance -always in the oddest capacities. Like, for instance, the other night Elvis Costello, Danny Glover, and my best friend from childhood were holding a jam session on an apartment building fire escape. Odd.
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Lost sucks. Mac OSX--UNIX For Girls (tm)
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Well, it's thanks to you and Hugin, I believe, who put me onto it first. And I do like it. It just frustrates me when things I like fall short of being things I love in tiny ways. |
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137 for jibble. |
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Well, Lost does suck. But other shows suck less. You guys are all picking up on Lost's suckage now, which is that the writers are so tied to their formula that they have to make their characters do and say illogical things to make it work. Also, if I see one more flashback end with a character's name being called out while they are seemingly lost in thought, I will stop downloading the show. Flashbacks are fifty years old, we don't need any help understanding them Mr. Writer. |
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TiVo made TV good again. I've had it for about two and a half years and it was worth every penny. Rescue Me, Nip Tuck, Deadwood, Six Feet Under, the Sopranos, Lost, Hitchcock, Kubrick, and Kurosawa are the only things I go out of my way to watch. And my TiVo makes finding and recording it all easy-cheesy. "Son of a BITCH! The casino security just arrested Px. Oh well." - Yot
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G-Man Flashbacks are fifty years old I find that all possible story mechanics have been discovered already. The effect of a mechanic is more in its execution than in its originality. This is where Lost does an excellent job. I've had a few dreams where Danny Glover has made a cameo appearance -always in the oddest capacities. Like, for instance, the other night Elvis Costello, Danny Glover, and my best friend from childhood were holding a jam session on an apartment building fire escape. Odd.
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Unlike G-Man, I wasn't being a dick--I was kidding. Mac OSX--UNIX For Girls (tm)
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You guys do realize that the head writer on Lost is the same dude that wrote Armageddon, a movie most of you openly despise? (At least, that's the impression I was under after catching a snippet of an NPR interview with said writer.) "Son of a BITCH! The casino security just arrested Px. Oh well." - Yot
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As far as TV goes, I really don't think that Lost sucks. The production values are extraordinary, the characters are being well developed, and the mysteries presented are actually enjoyable to contemplate. I think that everyone is getting stuck in the mire of "I wanna know what the monster is now, damnit!" (which, admittedly I said during the first two episodes) and ignoring the greater good of the show. If it were a movie, it would probably suck. As a TV show, it works very well. |
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My point was not that flashbacks were a bad narrative tool, but that I don't think viewers need any help in understanding that they are a discontinuity in the fictional timeline through the use of cues like an establishing shot at the end of them. You could argue that the writers put this in so that if a viewer is tuning in in the middle of a flashback he knows how to place it within the context of the show at large, but I would reply that writers should never look at their audience as below them or write to the lowest common denominator. |
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You pretty much HAVE to make things that take the lowest common denominator into account if you want it to do well. Be that writing on a TV show or copy writing; stupid people still count towards sales/viewership numbers. "Son of a BITCH! The casino security just arrested Px. Oh well." - Yot
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Px - I have much lower standards for TV. It's necessary. |
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