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#1 by G-Man
2003-08-22 09:06:17
ugh
#2 by Squeaky
2003-08-22 09:21:53
the fuck?

I'm a closet metrosexual.
DVDs
#3 by BobJustBob
2003-08-22 09:55:44
Why would this game allow them to vent more effectively than any other shooter/mod?

Voices tell me I'm the shit.
<Whisp> BJB is a troll. <Whisp> Troll I say!
#4 by Bailey
2003-08-22 09:55:52
I want my money back.

So, how do you like the game so far? Was it worth the $59.95?
#5 by lwf
2003-08-22 10:07:09
See, this will never work. You just can't reproduce the thrill of doing something like that in a video game, there's no rush, no adrenaline, it's boring. That's why there's no rape or coke-snorting games.

Actually I guess there are probably rape games.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, I admire her commitment to community service.
#6 by deadlock
2003-08-22 10:33:51
http://www.deadlocked.org/
Cheap holiday in other peoples' misery....

give it to me raw, i'll take it home and cook it myself
#7 by lexx
2003-08-22 11:00:28
I'm the project leader of DfC.

I personally want to thank Mark Lewis for pointing out how we have a 1% chance of finishing this project, because it's the truth. So many mods today fold early because of a lack of team support or some other factor. People might put down what we're trying to do if they like, but that still doesn't mean they know what they're talking about. Most of the people who are against this TC, are ignorantly suspicious of the word "Columbine".

Let me be the first to clear up a few rumours;

1. We are not focussing this TC at the location of Columbine, nor does it have really anything to do with that particular tragedy. The use of the word Columbine is significant because the media blamed Doom for Columbine. We decided to call our TC this name to protest the media's blatant use of scapegoating in the Columbine shootings. Our TC happens at a fictitious school shooting sometime after Columbine took place. You play the role of an undercover agent trying to save lives.

2. This is not a game where you shoot a bunch of kids.

3. We have a full design doc here.

4. Just because you hate the idea, you won't be able to hate the quality of this total conversion. We six team members are all working very hard to bring something good to Doom 3. We are all experienced modders and we all come from different areas of expertise. We'll release some early content as soon as we get around to it, to show you that we're serious.
#8 by deadlock
2003-08-22 11:05:39
http://www.deadlocked.org/
It still sounds like a shit idea. Sorry.

give it to me raw, i'll take it home and cook it myself
#9 by lwf
2003-08-22 11:08:00
What do you shoot?

I guess what I'm trying to say is, I admire her commitment to community service.
#10 by Ashiran
2003-08-22 11:08:03
there's no rush, no adrenaline, it's boring.

That is not reason enough to prevent people from playing certain games.

It still sounds like a shit idea. Sorry.

Atleast he didn't ask for coders.

"Your beam weapons are just a thinly-veiled analogy for giant throbbing plasma cocks violating new orifices in enemy ships." - Bailey
#11 by lwf
2003-08-22 11:08:22
If I may, let me suggest Martha Stewart.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, I admire her commitment to community service.
#12 by lwf
2003-08-22 11:09:26
I'm not talking about preventing people from playing games I'm talking about preventing them from killing you, which grows more tempting every time you do pretty much anything.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, I admire her commitment to community service.
#13 by lexx
2003-08-22 11:14:12
It still sounds like a shit idea. Sorry.

We welcome people's opinions, but how does this statement help us? If you have some reasons you dislike our story, from the dev documents, please let us know what they are, instead of trolling.

To us, our TC is more interesting than say, Enemy Territory.
#14 by Dethstryk
2003-08-22 11:34:43
jemartin@tcainternet.com
I like how the "quality" of this total conversion is apparently good, but that statement is completely unverifiable. Good going.

sunny days have funny ways of quieting the roar
#15 by deadlock
2003-08-22 12:20:23
http://www.deadlocked.org/
lexx:
To us, our TC is more interesting than say, Enemy Territory.

To me, your idea sounds shit.

Seriously though, what's good about it? And why would a game in which you have to stop teenagers from going on a rampage appeal to teenagers who want to, or feel like, going on a rampage?

give it to me raw, i'll take it home and cook it myself
#16 by deadlock
2003-08-22 12:36:35
http://www.deadlocked.org/
To be a bit more constructive, one small part of your idea has merit: that of an undercover agent infiltrating a school. Except that the notion that he/she is infiltrating said school to bring down a drug dealer is far more interesting and appealing than the idea that you are currently running with.

give it to me raw, i'll take it home and cook it myself
#17 by Gunp01nt
2003-08-22 12:57:05
supersimon33@hotmail.com
We are not focussing this TC at the location of Columbine, nor does it have really anything to do with that particular tragedy.


"Disclaimer: any similarities to persons living or dead or to historic incidents is purely coincidental. The name Columbine is purely coincidental and is not related to the Columbine High School. The names Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris of the end bosses are purely coincidental and are not related to the real Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris. The theme of high school massacres has nothing to do with any actual high school massacres."

Yeah right.

If it has nothing to do with the Columbine tragedy, why put it in the name? You should and could've known it would cause a commotion, yet you used it in the name. With every time you mention that the name of the TC is unrelated to the Columbine shooting, the feeling that you chose the name for publicity purposes grows stronger.

"You know what happens to schoolgirls in Japanese cartoons? Hmm, tentacles!"
#18 by deadlock
2003-08-22 13:10:20
http://www.deadlocked.org/
This 'dolomite' character is familiary to me. Can anyone tell me why? (hint: Monty Python).

give it to me raw, i'll take it home and cook it myself
#19 by Dethstryk
2003-08-22 13:39:00
jemartin@tcainternet.com
It's fairly obvious that the only reason "Columbine" is in the title is to have people talk about it, and to get press that way. It's a marketing ploy that is simultaneously disgusting and jerk-off'ish. I say fuck off to this particular group of mod-makers for the exploitation of tragedy.

sunny days have funny ways of quieting the roar
#20 by Gunp01nt
2003-08-22 13:45:42
supersimon33@hotmail.com
And they certainly love publicity

"You know what happens to schoolgirls in Japanese cartoons? Hmm, tentacles!"
#21 by Gunp01nt
2003-08-22 13:46:34
supersimon33@hotmail.com
BTW, wasn't Dolomite the guy who made that half-ass interview with Morn and then spammed everyone's e-mail with a link to the story?

"You know what happens to schoolgirls in Japanese cartoons? Hmm, tentacles!"
#22 by deadlock
2003-08-22 13:49:49
http://www.deadlocked.org/
congrats to gunpoint.

give it to me raw, i'll take it home and cook it myself
#23 by Dethstryk
2003-08-22 14:00:22
jemartin@tcainternet.com
We are posted at Planetcrap, which is kind of cool, since we were posted there once before, for something embarassing.
Hey, jack-off. This is also embarassing, even if you fail to realize it.

sunny days have funny ways of quieting the roar
#24 by Chunkstyle
2003-08-22 14:12:03
We decided to call our TC this name to protest the media's blatant use of scapegoating in the Columbine shootings.

How will your "protest" change anyones opinions?  The media people who were quick to jump on FPSs as a reason for Columbine will not be smart enough to realize this is a protest.  The media would be more likely to point to your conversion as evidence that games need to be regulated.

And Heaven help us if any murderer was ever found to have your tc on their computer.  You and I would know the game didn't cause the killings.  The general public, who love simple answers, would not.

There's joy in repetition.
#25 by deadlock
2003-08-22 14:21:05
http://www.deadlocked.org/
In short: inside jokes are not an effective form of protest, by definition.

give it to me raw, i'll take it home and cook it myself
#26 by LPMiller
2003-08-22 14:30:02
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Yeah, going into a school to prevent teens from going on a ramapage that I guess we are just going to assume they will go on and....Not seeing the media loving you here.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#27 by "Mr. PoPo FuckOFF"
2003-08-22 14:32:26
You gotta love controversy. Unlike most MOD's out there, atleast this TC is challenging peoples perseptions of something, but at the very least thou you get funny neuro glandular responses from guys like Deadlock.
#28 by LPMiller
2003-08-22 14:34:11
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
I do not, in fact, have to like controversy.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#29 by "Mr. PoPo FuckOFF"
2003-08-22 14:36:08
You don't have to like your wheaties either, but there good for you.
#30 by Matthew Gallant
2003-08-22 14:39:36
http://www.truemeaningoflife.com
#7 lexx
Our TC happens at a fictitious school shooting sometime after Columbine took place. You play the role of an undercover agent trying to save lives.

You should probably call it something else then.

"All I've ever wanted to be is a monkey of moderate intelligence that wears a suit. That's why I'm transferring to business school!"
#31 by LPMiller
2003-08-22 14:46:52
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
#29 "Mr. PoPo FuckOFF"
You don't have to like your wheaties either, but there good for you.


Where good for me now?

I believe I can fly......urk.
#32 by deadlock
2003-08-22 14:49:13
http://www.deadlocked.org/
Although I'm reticent about entering into a serious conversation with some called 'Mr. Popo fuckoff', I'll bite.

How exactly is this mod going to challenge people's perceptions? The more reactionary elements of the media and political establishment already think that videogames are an overly violent, sexist medium. And DTeam are going to change that perception by... er... producing a TC that is overly violent? And don't tell me that it's mocking or tongue in cheek - like I said, in-jokes are not an effective form of protest. Most of the games that the knee-jerk media tend to jump on are intended to be tongue in cheek and satirical.

give it to me raw, i'll take it home and cook it myself
#33 by "Mr. PoPo FuckOFF"
2003-08-22 15:10:58
To: Mr. Deadlock

You know what, your absolutely right. The "knee-jerk" media and other like-minded individuals will probably jump all over this. Take the move Fightclub for example, I remember when it cam out the media condoned it as just an overly violent movie with no redeeming qualities. I'm pretty sure even after the movie and its ideas have had time to ferment the "knee-jerk" media sill fails to see the clever anti-capitalism/anti-consumerism motives inherit in it. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that there will always be those people out there that take everything for what they see at the glance of a cover, and that's too bad for them. Then there are those that are willing to look past the cover, whether it's bad or good is their opinion. All in all, don't knock the TC until it's finished. Ideas are ideas, and what comes out at the other end could either be pure shit or something wonderful.

Btw, would you prefer if I had a more serious name, such as "DeathWatch" or "LegLOCK" or how about "The Evil Congruent-X" (All of course being said in serious announcer type voice.)
#34 by deadlock
2003-08-22 15:18:18
http://www.deadlocked.org/
Honestly? I'd prefer if you just logged in.

As for the rest - maybe you have a point, but if you do then all I can say is that DTeam are merely preaching to the converted. And still not being particularly exciting while they're doing it.

And if Dolomite et al. are genuine about challenging perceptions, then why not do something that proves that videogames don't all have to be about guns, chicks and cars?

give it to me raw, i'll take it home and cook it myself
#35 by lexx
2003-08-22 15:24:48
It's fairly obvious that the only reason "Columbine" is in the title is to have people talk about it, and to get press that way.

Just to get press? You could say that about any apt title, really. That is the point of a title, FYI.

As for this particular news posting at PC... it wasn't the result of our TC name that caused this, at all.

Mark Lewis was once a member of Dteam, who went by the nickname of Fury; he resigned because of this TC. He said he didn't want to be associated with a group that would do anything remotely near a school shooting, even if it was just a back-story piece.

This story likely came about because we banned him from our website, after he emailed me several disturbing hatemails on the subject, where he insulted my integrity and reminded me of previous mod failings from a few years back, and how we wouldn't succeed at this TC. I think Mark felt the need to retaliate, so he smeared us at Planet Crap.

How unprofessional.
#36 by LPMiller
2003-08-22 15:25:11
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
You sirrah, are mad. Mad!!!

I believe I can fly......urk.
#37 by LPMiller
2003-08-22 15:26:52
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
#35 lexx
I think Mark felt the need to retaliate, so he smeared us at Planet Crap.

How unprofessional.


You do not understand the concept of Planetcrap if you see this as unprofessional.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#38 by lwf
2003-08-22 15:27:40
Planetcrap? Smear? Whatfuck.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, I admire her commitment to community service.
#39 by deadlock
2003-08-22 15:29:41
http://www.deadlocked.org/
lexx:

What you say may or may not be true, but in fairness to Mark, he didn't express any particular opinion on either DTeam or your mod in his topic. I hardly think that providing a link and asking for an opinion amounts to 'smear'.

give it to me raw, i'll take it home and cook it myself
#40 by "Mr. PoPo FuckOFF"
2003-08-22 15:30:17
I'm here just for the view, not for the services.

Like I said, you don't know what the mod will be like until it's finished. On the surface it will probably look just like any other overly violent shooter. But it's intentions and the point of it will probably lay somewhere else.

Is it possible that there is such a thing a meaningful violence? Is the violence involved in self-defence not meaningful? You could be right thou, maybe asfar as Doom being linked to and blamed for Columbine the Dteam should just pull a Gandhi, but...where the hell is the "fun" in that.
#41 by lexx
2003-08-22 15:32:04
deadlock: And if Dolomite et al. are genuine about challenging perceptions, then why not do something that proves that videogames don't all have to be about guns, chicks and cars?

Because anything that's not about guns, chicks and cars is so boring I would rather surf Slashdot than play it.

Mr. PoPo FuckOFF: Then there are those that are willing to look past the cover, whether it's bad or good is their opinion.

Judging a book by its cover is indeed an admission of stupidity, or impatience.
#42 by lexx
2003-08-22 15:40:51
Dethstryk: Hey, jack-off. This is also embarassing, even if you fail to realize it.

How so? I find it somewhat embarassing that Mark Lewis decided to seek revenge by smearing us here, but I'm embarassed for him, because he's a member of the game design community.

I'm embarassed for you for talking about jacking off all the time. Don't you get enough of it on your own time?

deadlock: What you say may or may not be true, but in fairness to Mark, he didn't express any particular opinion on either DTeam or your mod in his topic.

Sure he did. He told you all that we would likely fail, since we haven't released anything in so long, and that reaffirmed a lot of your beliefs that this was just a hoax or a publicity stunt. Using some spin, he managed to make you all believe that we are only using a name for some press and nothing will come of it.

LPMiller: You do not understand the concept of Planetcrap if you see this as unprofessional.

Well, I guess if you mean PC is a troll's nest, then I do understand it. :)
#43 by lwf
2003-08-22 15:44:17
Where is the smearing, WHERE? Any mention whatsoever of your TC is considered slag?

Happiness isn't good enough for me! I demand euphoria!
#44 by Trolly McTroll
2003-08-22 15:45:34
We decided to call our TC this name to protest the media's blatant use of scapegoating in the Columbine shootings.


What the fuck does this mean?  A Scapegoat by definition means One that is made to bear the blame of others. Tell me wizards of the amateur mod scene how a school can be blamed for this tragedy, and if not the school, what do you mean by Columbine?  The city itself?  The city is responsible for the tragedy?  And how the fuck is a game going to make people change their perceptions.  Their perceptions of what?  That these two demonic kids shot up a bunch of kids?  That's fact.  What made them do it?

Oh I don't know.. maybe, well.. perhaps SATAN!.

"..and Trolly McTroll is the best name EVER. I laugh every time I see it."  - ZEP
" If i ever have a daughter, I'm going to name her Trolly. - The_Joker
#45 by lwf
2003-08-22 15:47:35
Yeah, satan is a good scapegoat.

Happiness isn't good enough for me! I demand euphoria!
#46 by Trolly McTroll
2003-08-22 15:49:28
Well, that's no good. Turns out Satan had an alibi.  He was in the white house putting cigars into a human humidor, repeatedly.

"..and Trolly McTroll is the best name EVER. I laugh every time I see it."  - ZEP
" If i ever have a daughter, I'm going to name her Trolly. - The_Joker
#47 by deadlock
2003-08-22 15:52:20
http://www.deadlocked.org/
lexx:
He told you all that we would likely fail, since we haven't released anything in so long, and that reaffirmed a lot of your beliefs that this was just a hoax or a publicity stunt.

That's not really smear though, that's venturing an opinion based on (apparently intimate, since he was a member of your team) knowledge of your past. I don't really recall anyone here writing this off as a hoax or a publicity stunt; anyone that's bothered to post on the subject has been underwhelmed, at best. You guys seem to have both a persecution complex and an inflated sense of self-worth, going by what you've said here and on your own website.

give it to me raw, i'll take it home and cook it myself
#48 by deadlock
2003-08-22 16:01:40
http://www.deadlocked.org/
dolomite's Worklog:
Tuesday August 19, 2003

    * 9:30 am EST. Like Fury.
    * 9:30 am EST. Banned users: now comments and blogs disappear from banned users.

AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

What was that about censorship?!

give it to me raw, i'll take it home and cook it myself
#49 by Warren Marshall
2003-08-22 16:09:34
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
#13 lexx
It still sounds like a shit idea. Sorry.

We welcome people's opinions, but how does this statement help us? If you have some reasons you dislike our story, from the dev documents, please let us know what they are, instead of trolling.

To us, our TC is more interesting than say, Enemy Territory.

How so?  Enemy Territory is great fun.  Your TC sound stupidly offensive.

From your web site :

"Columbine was a dark tragedy, but so was Romeo and Juliet."

Bitch, please.

How unprofessional.

*chortle*

Because anything that's not about guns, chicks and cars is so boring I would rather surf Slashdot than play it.

Then you're definitely part of the solution, not the problem.  (watch out for the sarchasm)

#50 by lexx
2003-08-22 16:18:52
deadlock: What was that about censorship?!

No, actually that was about security. When a user is banned from the site, it's because they can't behave so we have to shut them down. They could be posting malicious code into the site, so this is a fast way to clean our site from scum and bad HTML, too! Fury was free to say anything he wanted to until he came at me with hatemail. That triggered the perm-ban.

We don't want trolls at our site. We ban them the second they act up or can't behave. That way, we have a site of friends, which is all I ever want.

Let's just say that it's okay to disagree without becoming disagreeable. I don't mind people posting comments about how they dislike this TC idea, as long as the comments are well thought and not trollish.

You don't see me using the kind of English that some PC users do, just to prove a point.

Netiquette is a good idea, IMHO.
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